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The US is collaborating closely with "88 governments", this article says.
This is a serious point. People are going to need to know this, and whatever response you may have, please suppress it and instead give the information Im asking for: WHICH EIGHTY EIGHT?
Do you have a list?
There must have been some source to the "88" citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.214.237 ( talk) 05:07, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Think there would be a way to fit this in?:
During the influenza pandemic of 1917, [R.K.] Smith reported that osteopathic manipulative treatment (OMT) (see Lymphatic pump) decreased the mortality rate from 5% to 0.25% among 100,000 patients.(Knott 2005)
gallen01 02:49, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
"People try every remedy they can think of." is in the article. It could be expanded to list "every remedy" which would include prayer, vitamins, exersize, voodoo, and OMT. All of which have someone somewhere swearing they work with statistics to back them up. In short, it really doesn't fit in here. WAS 4.250 21:44, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
You seem to agree that it "doesn't directly fit". You say "It doesn't seem productive however, do dismiss research as vitamins." I take 400 IU of vitamin E and 500 mg of vitamin C and a regular multi-vitamin daily. You say "The article cited, doesn't claim that it was a 'remedy', it claimed that OMT increased lymph flow, which possibly has a positive immune effect, which might help fight secondary infections. It is a fact that the lymphatic system is part of the immune system." Yes, that's why we agree it doesn't belong in THIS article. You say "It's not a fact that voodoo effects anything at all." I disagree. Part of voodoo has to do with actual ingestion of medically affecting substances. Part of voodo has to do with the effects of suggestion. You say "Given the article's description of a pandemic: "there not enough doctors, hospital rooms, or medical supplies for the living", it begs the question - so what out of "every remedy" do people actually try?" What part of "every" don't you get? You say : "And do all of these treatments have the same level of effectiveness?" NOW you are talking my language! Provide an unbiased (in wikipedia-talk thats NPOV) source that gives evidence OMT is as effective as hand washing (for example) in a flu pandemic and OMT deserves to be included. You say "Maybe for a flu treatments article? (heck - there is a bloodletting article after all...)" and I say if there isn't one, start one. Good luck to you and happy holidays. WAS 4.250 04:01, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
i am kind of wondering why you think 'preslaughtered prepackaged food' in some kind of industrialized production facility is necessarily safer.
none of that crap stopped Mad Cow Disease from happening, in fact without modern 'superior' farming methods, Mad Cow Disease would not exist.
if you want safety, get safety.
if you want safety, saying 'get industrialization' is rather stupid, because then you will just have a bunch of unsafe industrialization.
http://www.bangladesh-web.com/news/view.php?hidDate=2005-11-11&hidType=HIG&hidRecord=0000000000000000070510 shouldnt this be mentioned? -- Whywhywhy 12:33, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
The commentary you refer to is nothing more than a biased scare piece filled with half-facts and lies about subjects other than H5N1 to justify believing nothing he reads in the media about H5N1. It contains NO ACTUAL DATA ABOUT H5N1 TO SUPPORT HIS POSITION. Please read the nonmedia references in H5N1 and make up your own mind. The first paragraph references to a scientist's analysis of the latest mutations of H5N1 are especially revealing. WAS 4.250 15:51, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Given the current swine flu concerns, this paragraph is in dire need of updating. Is H5N1 the swine flu? This article is a hot topic now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.202.7.127 ( talk) 23:23, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
An August 2005 report by a Canadian investment firm warned of complacency in the face of a possible pandemic. [3] BMO Nesbitt Burns compared a possible future pandemic to the 1918 flu pandemic and the 2003 SARS epidemic in Toronto, Hong Kong, and China:
SARS — which was nowhere near as dangerous as a lethal flu — should have been a lesson about our vulnerability to new infectious viruses and the lack of resources in health care systems and the business community to cope with epidemics. Regrettably, the world relapsed quickly into complacency, and is almost as collectively unprepared now as it
was when a new kind of flu ravaged Spain in 1918.
The authors added that economic globalization has produced certain vulnerabilities. Travel between countries would increase the spread of the H5N1 virus and supply chains would be disrupted by a pandemic. The report also cautioned against excessive faith in a recently announced vaccine developed by Sanofi-Pasteur, and also noted that a key ingredient of the currently available anti-viral agent Tamiflu comes from China, a source that could be disrupted if that country saw a human outbreak of H5N1.
The above does not go where it was. Whether all of it or some of it or none of it shoud go into the article somewhere else under a different title, I have no current opinion. WAS 4.250 19:16, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to drastically re-write the section about pandemic strategies, because it reads like it was copied almost exactly from a website, and while since it's a government website they probably won't mind, I think it could be put differently. Watch this space...:) XYaAsehShalomX 19:48, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
What about Wikipedia:Medical_disclaimer? — mark ✎ 19:06, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone think that "Advice in Case of Pandemic" sounds a little on the alarmist side? I mean, none of the last two pandemics were anything like that crazy (and before anyone brings up 1918, there is no way to compare today's conditions with 1918). -unsigned
The advise is from official sources - our governments. Who in turn, got the advise fro the world's top expets.I'm serious here. I've seen the documents on the web at official web sites. H5N1 is acting UNIQUELY SCARY. Governments are spending huge sums to not only try to prevent this thing from occuring, but also to do everything they can to mitigate it. The threat is very real. The pandemic is not real - yet. WAS 4.250 18:35, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't think the advice section is that bad but I do think that the "nature of a pandemic" section was a little on the alarmist side, so I edited it - although you're welcome to add some more stuff if you want. XYaAsehShalomX
Well done, XYaAsehShalomX, well done. Thanks for helping. WAS 4.250 16:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
To Unsigned: You are right to say "there is no way to compare today's conditions with 1918. In fact, changes can make a pandemic much worse. On the good side, we now have antibiotics which will certainly reduce deaths due to secondary bacterial infection. But we don't have much more to fight viral pneumonia than we did in 1918. Tamiflu? (oseltamivir)-- Maybe, but what that does is shorten the normal 5-7 day course of influenza by one day. And we don't know if it will work on the next pandemic strain, and there are already indicqations that H5N1 (the most likely source of the next pandemic) is developing resistance to it. Ventilators? Good luck getting one when you need it. Hospitals don't stock many extras, and in a severe pandemic less than 25% of patients who would normally be placed on a ventilator will be able to get on one.
People travel internationally MUCH more and MUCH quicker than in 1918. That's why SARS, which is not very infectious even compared to run-of-the mill seasonal flu, popped up in 6 countries within a week. That would make a pandemic spread MUCH faster.
"Stuff" travels internationally even more than people. Everuything from the food in your drugstore to the N95 mask you'll want to wear comes from somewhere else. The world has MNUCH more trade than in 1918. Now imagine what happens when 40% of the workforce-- truckdrivers, airplane pilots, dock workers, etc) are home sick. Frankceo ( talk) 21:13, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
A timeline would be nice, from the day that crucial mutation took place in a cat, bird or whatever. How far into it would the announcement come that "it's out now."? How much longer to get around the world? When will deaths peak, and how long after that will the virus generally dissapear from the human population? I know none of these are fast-and-hard numbers, but if you can give me a ballpark range, that'd be great. Thanks.-- 74.227.160.88 21:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Delirium is right. The "Strategies for individuals in a pandemic" is a HowTo. It needs to be reworded. Better yet, it should be moved to its own article. This article is already too long. -- Mperry 17:42, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I see this was discussed several months ago, but I just stumbled across this page and quite frankly - the whole section should be removed. Rationale:
I'm being bold and removing the section. Before anyone re-adds it I'd like discussion of its merits to take place here, if it's not too much trouble. QmunkE 16:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Dispute over whether this section should be in the article.
The question
Simple enough - does this section belong in the article - is a contravention of what Wikipedia is not? Is it possible to re-write it so that it satisfies current policy on verifiability and original research, as well as style guidelines? I removed it yesterday, feeling that it doesn't belong in the article - certainly not in its current form and probably not ever. I suggest it is removed, and a complete re-write done before it is even considered for re-insertion. QmunkE 08:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
The context
The context is Avian Flu which says
Comments I think there is a place for a section like this, but not as written. Wikipedia is not an instruction manual, and we should be avoiding "how-to" and "advice" sections, which is what the majority of this section of the article is. What should go in this section is a commentary of what other people (e.g. World Health Organisation, leading experts, governments etc.) have suggested: not endorsing it, not telling people to do it, but a commentary e.g. "The UK's department of health has drawn up a policy document outlining steps individuals should be advised to take in the event of an emergency. Measures it suggests include X, Y & Z. However, leading experts from the USA and Canada have suggested that A, B & C may be better. " and so on.. -- John24601 13:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Sorry but the following sections are entirely unencyclopedic and violate WP:NOT by being indiscriminate recommendatins of strategies to follow during a pandemic. If they were well sourced from multiple reliable sources and reflected a global outlook, it might not be so dangerous.
It's a combination of unreferenced material, scaremongering propoganda and advicewikipedia really doesn't maintain the responsibility to disseminate.
Okay, these sections need to be scrapped.
The article starts of saying that an influenza pandemic is an epidemic... now that's just silly. It would be better to link to pandemic and that's what an influemza pandemic is. (Yes I could change it, but I really think I need to illustrate how bad this article is at the moment).
This article has way too much focus on H5N1 which is relatively new on the scene, and the counterpoint to that, is the complete lack of any history of previous influenza pandemics such as Spanish flu which is mentioned in the first sentance and promptly forgotten about.
semi-discriminate lists such as Influenza_pandemic#International_government_sponsored_scientific_seminars_on_H5N1_pandemic_prevention should either be scrapped, or at least moved into their own subpage. Again these focus on relatively recent events and relate to H5N1 more than simply Influenza pandemics.-- ZayZayEM 06:49, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Have you read the references listed in the reference section? Have you read http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/pandemicplan/index.html or http://www.hhs.gov/pandemicflu/plan/pdf/HHSPandemicInfluenzaPlan.pdf ? This is not an indiscriminate anything. WAS 4.250 20:34, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
This article does not focus on H5N1. It just seems that way to you. But feel free to add sourced data. WAS 4.250 20:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Can you quote what part you feel is scaremongering? Perhaps the fact that the experts are scared and governments are spending billions of dollars to prepare might be a hint that there is something to be scared about. WAS 4.250 20:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
HHS is a US governmental department, it is not an accurate reference for a globally accurate plan - and its rather moot as such sections regarding advice are unencyclopedic and dangerous. Looks like I just signed my Sunday away fixing this article.-- ZayZayEM 00:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Pandemic planning is very encyclopedic and what gov'ts say about it is very encyclopedic and part of ehat they say ids how for individuals to act both to prepare for and to do during. The actual wording we use could be vastly improved, but the content is encyclopedic. WAS 4.250 01:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Editing for tone may be the best way you can help this article. But content should not be deleted by someone who does not understand the subject matter. Read the sources before you alter or reorganize or delete. But the tone can probably be improved without that. So maybe you can start with editing for better tone. It sure needs it. WAS 4.250 02:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Please do not go control freak over articles. The tone as it stands presents an innaccurate view of the subject, and the article contains way too much ancillary off-topic information in an informal (and from my point of view alarmist) tone. Please do not remove tags such as {{afd}} {{cleanup}} {{accuracy}} particularly if concerns have been brought to the Talk page. Removal of such notices is vandalism and I will be going through the appropriate channels to have them reinstated while I do background work on reforming this article.-- ZayZayEM 04:21, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree that this article has a totally unencyclopedic feel about it. It reads as if it was written by a non-native speaker of the English
language, and by someone with a poor grasp of the subject (sorry). It. needs to be completely rewritten.
Abelian (
talk)
12:36, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
I hope this can count as constructive criticisms-- ZayZayEM 09:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
This article is too long. Unnecessary information. Indiscriminate information, governmental alarmist propoganda and anything of an instructional nature needs to go. Useful, but not directly related information should be merged out to daughter articles.-- ZayZayEM 09:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
This article has an alarmist tone. Example of alarmism: "(WHO) warns that there is a substantial risk of an influenza pandemic within the next few years. One of the strongest candidates is a highly pathogenic variation of the H5N1 subtype of Influenza A virus which is rapidly mutating and could mutate into a variation that transmits easily human to human causing a pandemic". WHO is a credible source, but no direct attribution is given in text in this instance. "One of the strongest", are there others?, speculation as to what H5N1 could become steps on the toes of WP:CRYSTAL as it is unclear as to what data supports this.-- ZayZayEM 09:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
The tone needs serious work. The other two points aside from alarmism, are instructional tone and a condescending tone.-- ZayZayEM 09:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Section headings like "What is influenza?" reek of condescending to me.-- ZayZayEM 09:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
"Strategies for individuals" breaches WP:NOT an instruction manual, and relies too heavily on US governmental sources.-- ZayZayEM 09:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
This article is unclear on focus. While information on non-H5N1 flu pandemics have been introduced, they are not cohesive. These sections need to flow to have a cohesive article. Again daughter articles can help here by allowing other information of an encyclopedic nature to remain a part of Wikipedia, just not here.-- ZayZayEM 09:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Poorly sourced. What? with 57 reference notes, you must think I'm joking... but sadly no. Certain parts of this article are well referenced, others: Rely to heavily on from too few sources. Which risks WP:UNDUE, as authoritative as US governmental departments and WHO are, they should not be the final word, particularly as they usually have their own sources. Have large blocks of unattributed text, interspersed with footnotes. Are these footnotes for the entire block, or just the certain statements immediately surrounding the note? Certain Lists have a similar rogue footnote approach to referencing.-- ZayZayEM 09:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
"Speculative" is the word that comes to mind when reading much of this article. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and this article should not attempt to make any predictions of what "might" or "could" happen, much less formulate advice or instruction to readers based on such speculation. Documenting reliable sources that have made such predictions or given advice is another matter. The "strategies" sections and the introduction, in particular, need to be completely rewritten. Sheffield Steel talkers stalkers 14:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Please everyone who thinks a cite is needed someplace please add {{ Fact}} whereever you want me to add a cite. I don't wish to cite every sentence unless that is what you think is needed. WAS 4.250 14:51, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, I just "fixed" one of the strategy sections. I'm convinced the problem is that you guys are simply not reading the refs already supplied. But whatever. Maybe the issue lies in properly noting in the article who is claiming what. So does my "fix" help? WAS 4.250 15:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
The table under the genera, doesn't match the data in the source article. If it was compiled from multiple sources, reference both, please, whoever added it, or change it to accurately reflect the data. KP Botany 00:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
(<---)100% of the experts can be found here and here. Call them up. Perhaps you would even like to improve the article. It really needs it. But you probably just wanna delete it because it isn't much of an article yet. WAS 4.250 17:27, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I realize that you are frustrated because you can't bring yourself to believe that all this is actually true. But the world's experts on flu are actually very well funded and organized and in agreement. WAS 4.250 17:34, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Formerly from the introduction:
Influenza pandemics occur inevitably but at unpredictable intervals. When the next flu pandemic strikes, an outbreak is expected to last about six to eight weeks in each affected community, although multiple waves could occur. High employee absenteeism rates are expected that could disrupt businesses and essential services such as hospitals, police, fire, utilities (water, electricity, communications), garbage pickup and food distribution. ( Deseret News article Utah influenza report paints a dire picture published April 4, 2007)
This sounds great, and is informative. However, even the newspaper article is a dead give-away that the article probably isn't talking too globally. Closer looking at the reference reveals that the expectations from the next flu pandemic were from the Governor's Task Force for Pandemic Influenza Preparedness, by the Utah Dept. of Health. The expectations were only talking about "when the next pandemic strikes the United States" (my emphasis). As worded above, the information isn't clear that this is about the next pandemic to strike the US (as opposed to to just the US), and it isn't clear that these are the expectations of a single Utah Dept. of Health Task Force, rather than say the CDC, WHO, NIH, or international consensus.
Wikipedia needs to report things exactly how they are in the source material. If it talks about the next US pandemic, we have to say next US pandemic. We also should try to acknowledge the source of that information, which is very easy given this article that it was "only" the Governer's Task Force for Pandemic Influenza Preparedness (Utah) expectations. Without these additions the text material is innaccurate and misleading, and to me creates greater alarm than warranted by stretching the truth.-- ZayZayEM 00:22, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Indeed, that is why the Lancet paper is valuable for giving a more global view to this discussion. For instance, in the 1918 pandemic India had about 10-fold higher influenza mortality than the US (table 1). The predicted distribution of mortality from future pandemics is also strikingly-skewed towards the developing world link. If you need the Pdf of this, just send me an e-mail I've got access at work. Tim Vickers 17:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
Currently revamping entire article in my personal sandbox. User:ZayZayEM/Sandbox.
I am going to be examining every reference to make sure facts and opinions are accurately portrayed and represented. I will remove any information of an instructional or advisory nature that cannot be reworded in a more appropriate encyclopedic tone.
I will also be refining on this article so it focuses on the topic, influenza pandemics. Less information on Influenza in general, non-pandemic Influenza, non-Influenza pandemics, H5N1, and semi-discriminate related information.
Information of an encyclopedic nature, but deserving of a better home, I will try and salvage and place in appropriate articles (creating stubs and lists as necessary).
Please do not remove the {{accuracy}} or {{underconstruction}} tags from the article unless no activity is seen by me on the talk, articlespace, or mentioned live-edit sandbox for a period of 48hours.
I apologise, I'm getting nailed by uni, work, women, and ironically the 'flu; but I'm hoping I should have this combed over by next weekend, possibly even Wednesday. Why did I make this commitment again.
Please leave any comments, or personal abuse on my talk page.
So sayeth the council of squirrels-- ZayZayEM 13:13, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Okay. Sorry. But my real life is not going smoothly at the moment. If anyone else would like to have a shot at the severe level of cleanup and fact checking required for this article I would be grateful.
I've left quite a few working notes at User:ZayZayEM/Sandbox if anyone wishes to edit there.
The main problems are that facts need to be more specific, less exagerated and attributed to the correct sources. It is important that sources and wikipedia match up. It is also important that wikipedia doesn't assert anything concerning future events, and while cases such as H5N1 and Spanish flu will probably serve the best examples (due to more literature available), they should not be the focus of the article. The article should be about what a pandemic was, and what a pandemic is, with perhaps some lining about strategies to deal with them.
I'm sorry but as always, real life takes precedent over wikipedia.-- ZayZayEM 12:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I am going for a "from scratch" rewrite of this article that may or may not incorporate select select stretches of text from this page.
A brief look at my proposed structure may be seen at the in-progress here:
Any comments or suggestions on alternative major sections that could be considered would be welcome.-- ZayZayEM ( talk) 02:53, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Why are they at the bottom. They're there to encourage the article to be fixed, so they should be placed back at the top like in every other article I've seen. DurinsBane87 20:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I've removed this section, since it is uncited and has been challenged. Tim Vickers ( talk) 19:20, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
":...
"Signs That Swine Flu Has Peaked"
By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.
Published: November 20, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/health/21flu.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.165.11.27 ( talk) 02:09, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
How Hard Would It Be for Avian Flu to Spread? by Donald G. McNeil Jr. and Denise Grady published NYT January 2, 2012 (page D1 in print) 97.87.29.188 ( talk) 01:06, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
John G. Bartlett, MD
Bartlett's 2013 Review: Advances in the Highly Kinetic Field of Infectious Diseases
(p. 4 of 7 online) Medscape Infectious Diseases
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/815114_4
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People infected (est.): 10–200 million[43]
Deaths: 105,700–395,600[44]
Case fatality rate: 0.03%[45]
According to the cited infection and death rates, the fatality rate should be from 105,700/200,000,000 = 0.05285% to 395,600/100,000,000 = 0.3956%.
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The US is collaborating closely with "88 governments", this article says.
This is a serious point. People are going to need to know this, and whatever response you may have, please suppress it and instead give the information Im asking for: WHICH EIGHTY EIGHT?
Do you have a list?
There must have been some source to the "88" citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.214.237 ( talk) 05:07, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Think there would be a way to fit this in?:
During the influenza pandemic of 1917, [R.K.] Smith reported that osteopathic manipulative treatment (OMT) (see Lymphatic pump) decreased the mortality rate from 5% to 0.25% among 100,000 patients.(Knott 2005)
gallen01 02:49, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
"People try every remedy they can think of." is in the article. It could be expanded to list "every remedy" which would include prayer, vitamins, exersize, voodoo, and OMT. All of which have someone somewhere swearing they work with statistics to back them up. In short, it really doesn't fit in here. WAS 4.250 21:44, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
You seem to agree that it "doesn't directly fit". You say "It doesn't seem productive however, do dismiss research as vitamins." I take 400 IU of vitamin E and 500 mg of vitamin C and a regular multi-vitamin daily. You say "The article cited, doesn't claim that it was a 'remedy', it claimed that OMT increased lymph flow, which possibly has a positive immune effect, which might help fight secondary infections. It is a fact that the lymphatic system is part of the immune system." Yes, that's why we agree it doesn't belong in THIS article. You say "It's not a fact that voodoo effects anything at all." I disagree. Part of voodoo has to do with actual ingestion of medically affecting substances. Part of voodo has to do with the effects of suggestion. You say "Given the article's description of a pandemic: "there not enough doctors, hospital rooms, or medical supplies for the living", it begs the question - so what out of "every remedy" do people actually try?" What part of "every" don't you get? You say : "And do all of these treatments have the same level of effectiveness?" NOW you are talking my language! Provide an unbiased (in wikipedia-talk thats NPOV) source that gives evidence OMT is as effective as hand washing (for example) in a flu pandemic and OMT deserves to be included. You say "Maybe for a flu treatments article? (heck - there is a bloodletting article after all...)" and I say if there isn't one, start one. Good luck to you and happy holidays. WAS 4.250 04:01, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
i am kind of wondering why you think 'preslaughtered prepackaged food' in some kind of industrialized production facility is necessarily safer.
none of that crap stopped Mad Cow Disease from happening, in fact without modern 'superior' farming methods, Mad Cow Disease would not exist.
if you want safety, get safety.
if you want safety, saying 'get industrialization' is rather stupid, because then you will just have a bunch of unsafe industrialization.
http://www.bangladesh-web.com/news/view.php?hidDate=2005-11-11&hidType=HIG&hidRecord=0000000000000000070510 shouldnt this be mentioned? -- Whywhywhy 12:33, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
The commentary you refer to is nothing more than a biased scare piece filled with half-facts and lies about subjects other than H5N1 to justify believing nothing he reads in the media about H5N1. It contains NO ACTUAL DATA ABOUT H5N1 TO SUPPORT HIS POSITION. Please read the nonmedia references in H5N1 and make up your own mind. The first paragraph references to a scientist's analysis of the latest mutations of H5N1 are especially revealing. WAS 4.250 15:51, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Given the current swine flu concerns, this paragraph is in dire need of updating. Is H5N1 the swine flu? This article is a hot topic now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.202.7.127 ( talk) 23:23, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
An August 2005 report by a Canadian investment firm warned of complacency in the face of a possible pandemic. [3] BMO Nesbitt Burns compared a possible future pandemic to the 1918 flu pandemic and the 2003 SARS epidemic in Toronto, Hong Kong, and China:
SARS — which was nowhere near as dangerous as a lethal flu — should have been a lesson about our vulnerability to new infectious viruses and the lack of resources in health care systems and the business community to cope with epidemics. Regrettably, the world relapsed quickly into complacency, and is almost as collectively unprepared now as it
was when a new kind of flu ravaged Spain in 1918.
The authors added that economic globalization has produced certain vulnerabilities. Travel between countries would increase the spread of the H5N1 virus and supply chains would be disrupted by a pandemic. The report also cautioned against excessive faith in a recently announced vaccine developed by Sanofi-Pasteur, and also noted that a key ingredient of the currently available anti-viral agent Tamiflu comes from China, a source that could be disrupted if that country saw a human outbreak of H5N1.
The above does not go where it was. Whether all of it or some of it or none of it shoud go into the article somewhere else under a different title, I have no current opinion. WAS 4.250 19:16, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to drastically re-write the section about pandemic strategies, because it reads like it was copied almost exactly from a website, and while since it's a government website they probably won't mind, I think it could be put differently. Watch this space...:) XYaAsehShalomX 19:48, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
What about Wikipedia:Medical_disclaimer? — mark ✎ 19:06, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone think that "Advice in Case of Pandemic" sounds a little on the alarmist side? I mean, none of the last two pandemics were anything like that crazy (and before anyone brings up 1918, there is no way to compare today's conditions with 1918). -unsigned
The advise is from official sources - our governments. Who in turn, got the advise fro the world's top expets.I'm serious here. I've seen the documents on the web at official web sites. H5N1 is acting UNIQUELY SCARY. Governments are spending huge sums to not only try to prevent this thing from occuring, but also to do everything they can to mitigate it. The threat is very real. The pandemic is not real - yet. WAS 4.250 18:35, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't think the advice section is that bad but I do think that the "nature of a pandemic" section was a little on the alarmist side, so I edited it - although you're welcome to add some more stuff if you want. XYaAsehShalomX
Well done, XYaAsehShalomX, well done. Thanks for helping. WAS 4.250 16:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
To Unsigned: You are right to say "there is no way to compare today's conditions with 1918. In fact, changes can make a pandemic much worse. On the good side, we now have antibiotics which will certainly reduce deaths due to secondary bacterial infection. But we don't have much more to fight viral pneumonia than we did in 1918. Tamiflu? (oseltamivir)-- Maybe, but what that does is shorten the normal 5-7 day course of influenza by one day. And we don't know if it will work on the next pandemic strain, and there are already indicqations that H5N1 (the most likely source of the next pandemic) is developing resistance to it. Ventilators? Good luck getting one when you need it. Hospitals don't stock many extras, and in a severe pandemic less than 25% of patients who would normally be placed on a ventilator will be able to get on one.
People travel internationally MUCH more and MUCH quicker than in 1918. That's why SARS, which is not very infectious even compared to run-of-the mill seasonal flu, popped up in 6 countries within a week. That would make a pandemic spread MUCH faster.
"Stuff" travels internationally even more than people. Everuything from the food in your drugstore to the N95 mask you'll want to wear comes from somewhere else. The world has MNUCH more trade than in 1918. Now imagine what happens when 40% of the workforce-- truckdrivers, airplane pilots, dock workers, etc) are home sick. Frankceo ( talk) 21:13, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
A timeline would be nice, from the day that crucial mutation took place in a cat, bird or whatever. How far into it would the announcement come that "it's out now."? How much longer to get around the world? When will deaths peak, and how long after that will the virus generally dissapear from the human population? I know none of these are fast-and-hard numbers, but if you can give me a ballpark range, that'd be great. Thanks.-- 74.227.160.88 21:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Delirium is right. The "Strategies for individuals in a pandemic" is a HowTo. It needs to be reworded. Better yet, it should be moved to its own article. This article is already too long. -- Mperry 17:42, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I see this was discussed several months ago, but I just stumbled across this page and quite frankly - the whole section should be removed. Rationale:
I'm being bold and removing the section. Before anyone re-adds it I'd like discussion of its merits to take place here, if it's not too much trouble. QmunkE 16:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Dispute over whether this section should be in the article.
The question
Simple enough - does this section belong in the article - is a contravention of what Wikipedia is not? Is it possible to re-write it so that it satisfies current policy on verifiability and original research, as well as style guidelines? I removed it yesterday, feeling that it doesn't belong in the article - certainly not in its current form and probably not ever. I suggest it is removed, and a complete re-write done before it is even considered for re-insertion. QmunkE 08:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
The context
The context is Avian Flu which says
Comments I think there is a place for a section like this, but not as written. Wikipedia is not an instruction manual, and we should be avoiding "how-to" and "advice" sections, which is what the majority of this section of the article is. What should go in this section is a commentary of what other people (e.g. World Health Organisation, leading experts, governments etc.) have suggested: not endorsing it, not telling people to do it, but a commentary e.g. "The UK's department of health has drawn up a policy document outlining steps individuals should be advised to take in the event of an emergency. Measures it suggests include X, Y & Z. However, leading experts from the USA and Canada have suggested that A, B & C may be better. " and so on.. -- John24601 13:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Sorry but the following sections are entirely unencyclopedic and violate WP:NOT by being indiscriminate recommendatins of strategies to follow during a pandemic. If they were well sourced from multiple reliable sources and reflected a global outlook, it might not be so dangerous.
It's a combination of unreferenced material, scaremongering propoganda and advicewikipedia really doesn't maintain the responsibility to disseminate.
Okay, these sections need to be scrapped.
The article starts of saying that an influenza pandemic is an epidemic... now that's just silly. It would be better to link to pandemic and that's what an influemza pandemic is. (Yes I could change it, but I really think I need to illustrate how bad this article is at the moment).
This article has way too much focus on H5N1 which is relatively new on the scene, and the counterpoint to that, is the complete lack of any history of previous influenza pandemics such as Spanish flu which is mentioned in the first sentance and promptly forgotten about.
semi-discriminate lists such as Influenza_pandemic#International_government_sponsored_scientific_seminars_on_H5N1_pandemic_prevention should either be scrapped, or at least moved into their own subpage. Again these focus on relatively recent events and relate to H5N1 more than simply Influenza pandemics.-- ZayZayEM 06:49, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Have you read the references listed in the reference section? Have you read http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/pandemicplan/index.html or http://www.hhs.gov/pandemicflu/plan/pdf/HHSPandemicInfluenzaPlan.pdf ? This is not an indiscriminate anything. WAS 4.250 20:34, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
This article does not focus on H5N1. It just seems that way to you. But feel free to add sourced data. WAS 4.250 20:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Can you quote what part you feel is scaremongering? Perhaps the fact that the experts are scared and governments are spending billions of dollars to prepare might be a hint that there is something to be scared about. WAS 4.250 20:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
HHS is a US governmental department, it is not an accurate reference for a globally accurate plan - and its rather moot as such sections regarding advice are unencyclopedic and dangerous. Looks like I just signed my Sunday away fixing this article.-- ZayZayEM 00:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Pandemic planning is very encyclopedic and what gov'ts say about it is very encyclopedic and part of ehat they say ids how for individuals to act both to prepare for and to do during. The actual wording we use could be vastly improved, but the content is encyclopedic. WAS 4.250 01:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Editing for tone may be the best way you can help this article. But content should not be deleted by someone who does not understand the subject matter. Read the sources before you alter or reorganize or delete. But the tone can probably be improved without that. So maybe you can start with editing for better tone. It sure needs it. WAS 4.250 02:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Please do not go control freak over articles. The tone as it stands presents an innaccurate view of the subject, and the article contains way too much ancillary off-topic information in an informal (and from my point of view alarmist) tone. Please do not remove tags such as {{afd}} {{cleanup}} {{accuracy}} particularly if concerns have been brought to the Talk page. Removal of such notices is vandalism and I will be going through the appropriate channels to have them reinstated while I do background work on reforming this article.-- ZayZayEM 04:21, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree that this article has a totally unencyclopedic feel about it. It reads as if it was written by a non-native speaker of the English
language, and by someone with a poor grasp of the subject (sorry). It. needs to be completely rewritten.
Abelian (
talk)
12:36, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
I hope this can count as constructive criticisms-- ZayZayEM 09:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
This article is too long. Unnecessary information. Indiscriminate information, governmental alarmist propoganda and anything of an instructional nature needs to go. Useful, but not directly related information should be merged out to daughter articles.-- ZayZayEM 09:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
This article has an alarmist tone. Example of alarmism: "(WHO) warns that there is a substantial risk of an influenza pandemic within the next few years. One of the strongest candidates is a highly pathogenic variation of the H5N1 subtype of Influenza A virus which is rapidly mutating and could mutate into a variation that transmits easily human to human causing a pandemic". WHO is a credible source, but no direct attribution is given in text in this instance. "One of the strongest", are there others?, speculation as to what H5N1 could become steps on the toes of WP:CRYSTAL as it is unclear as to what data supports this.-- ZayZayEM 09:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
The tone needs serious work. The other two points aside from alarmism, are instructional tone and a condescending tone.-- ZayZayEM 09:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Section headings like "What is influenza?" reek of condescending to me.-- ZayZayEM 09:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
"Strategies for individuals" breaches WP:NOT an instruction manual, and relies too heavily on US governmental sources.-- ZayZayEM 09:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
This article is unclear on focus. While information on non-H5N1 flu pandemics have been introduced, they are not cohesive. These sections need to flow to have a cohesive article. Again daughter articles can help here by allowing other information of an encyclopedic nature to remain a part of Wikipedia, just not here.-- ZayZayEM 09:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Poorly sourced. What? with 57 reference notes, you must think I'm joking... but sadly no. Certain parts of this article are well referenced, others: Rely to heavily on from too few sources. Which risks WP:UNDUE, as authoritative as US governmental departments and WHO are, they should not be the final word, particularly as they usually have their own sources. Have large blocks of unattributed text, interspersed with footnotes. Are these footnotes for the entire block, or just the certain statements immediately surrounding the note? Certain Lists have a similar rogue footnote approach to referencing.-- ZayZayEM 09:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
"Speculative" is the word that comes to mind when reading much of this article. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and this article should not attempt to make any predictions of what "might" or "could" happen, much less formulate advice or instruction to readers based on such speculation. Documenting reliable sources that have made such predictions or given advice is another matter. The "strategies" sections and the introduction, in particular, need to be completely rewritten. Sheffield Steel talkers stalkers 14:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Please everyone who thinks a cite is needed someplace please add {{ Fact}} whereever you want me to add a cite. I don't wish to cite every sentence unless that is what you think is needed. WAS 4.250 14:51, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, I just "fixed" one of the strategy sections. I'm convinced the problem is that you guys are simply not reading the refs already supplied. But whatever. Maybe the issue lies in properly noting in the article who is claiming what. So does my "fix" help? WAS 4.250 15:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
The table under the genera, doesn't match the data in the source article. If it was compiled from multiple sources, reference both, please, whoever added it, or change it to accurately reflect the data. KP Botany 00:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
(<---)100% of the experts can be found here and here. Call them up. Perhaps you would even like to improve the article. It really needs it. But you probably just wanna delete it because it isn't much of an article yet. WAS 4.250 17:27, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I realize that you are frustrated because you can't bring yourself to believe that all this is actually true. But the world's experts on flu are actually very well funded and organized and in agreement. WAS 4.250 17:34, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Formerly from the introduction:
Influenza pandemics occur inevitably but at unpredictable intervals. When the next flu pandemic strikes, an outbreak is expected to last about six to eight weeks in each affected community, although multiple waves could occur. High employee absenteeism rates are expected that could disrupt businesses and essential services such as hospitals, police, fire, utilities (water, electricity, communications), garbage pickup and food distribution. ( Deseret News article Utah influenza report paints a dire picture published April 4, 2007)
This sounds great, and is informative. However, even the newspaper article is a dead give-away that the article probably isn't talking too globally. Closer looking at the reference reveals that the expectations from the next flu pandemic were from the Governor's Task Force for Pandemic Influenza Preparedness, by the Utah Dept. of Health. The expectations were only talking about "when the next pandemic strikes the United States" (my emphasis). As worded above, the information isn't clear that this is about the next pandemic to strike the US (as opposed to to just the US), and it isn't clear that these are the expectations of a single Utah Dept. of Health Task Force, rather than say the CDC, WHO, NIH, or international consensus.
Wikipedia needs to report things exactly how they are in the source material. If it talks about the next US pandemic, we have to say next US pandemic. We also should try to acknowledge the source of that information, which is very easy given this article that it was "only" the Governer's Task Force for Pandemic Influenza Preparedness (Utah) expectations. Without these additions the text material is innaccurate and misleading, and to me creates greater alarm than warranted by stretching the truth.-- ZayZayEM 00:22, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Indeed, that is why the Lancet paper is valuable for giving a more global view to this discussion. For instance, in the 1918 pandemic India had about 10-fold higher influenza mortality than the US (table 1). The predicted distribution of mortality from future pandemics is also strikingly-skewed towards the developing world link. If you need the Pdf of this, just send me an e-mail I've got access at work. Tim Vickers 17:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
Currently revamping entire article in my personal sandbox. User:ZayZayEM/Sandbox.
I am going to be examining every reference to make sure facts and opinions are accurately portrayed and represented. I will remove any information of an instructional or advisory nature that cannot be reworded in a more appropriate encyclopedic tone.
I will also be refining on this article so it focuses on the topic, influenza pandemics. Less information on Influenza in general, non-pandemic Influenza, non-Influenza pandemics, H5N1, and semi-discriminate related information.
Information of an encyclopedic nature, but deserving of a better home, I will try and salvage and place in appropriate articles (creating stubs and lists as necessary).
Please do not remove the {{accuracy}} or {{underconstruction}} tags from the article unless no activity is seen by me on the talk, articlespace, or mentioned live-edit sandbox for a period of 48hours.
I apologise, I'm getting nailed by uni, work, women, and ironically the 'flu; but I'm hoping I should have this combed over by next weekend, possibly even Wednesday. Why did I make this commitment again.
Please leave any comments, or personal abuse on my talk page.
So sayeth the council of squirrels-- ZayZayEM 13:13, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Okay. Sorry. But my real life is not going smoothly at the moment. If anyone else would like to have a shot at the severe level of cleanup and fact checking required for this article I would be grateful.
I've left quite a few working notes at User:ZayZayEM/Sandbox if anyone wishes to edit there.
The main problems are that facts need to be more specific, less exagerated and attributed to the correct sources. It is important that sources and wikipedia match up. It is also important that wikipedia doesn't assert anything concerning future events, and while cases such as H5N1 and Spanish flu will probably serve the best examples (due to more literature available), they should not be the focus of the article. The article should be about what a pandemic was, and what a pandemic is, with perhaps some lining about strategies to deal with them.
I'm sorry but as always, real life takes precedent over wikipedia.-- ZayZayEM 12:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I am going for a "from scratch" rewrite of this article that may or may not incorporate select select stretches of text from this page.
A brief look at my proposed structure may be seen at the in-progress here:
Any comments or suggestions on alternative major sections that could be considered would be welcome.-- ZayZayEM ( talk) 02:53, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Why are they at the bottom. They're there to encourage the article to be fixed, so they should be placed back at the top like in every other article I've seen. DurinsBane87 20:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I've removed this section, since it is uncited and has been challenged. Tim Vickers ( talk) 19:20, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
":...
"Signs That Swine Flu Has Peaked"
By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.
Published: November 20, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/health/21flu.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.165.11.27 ( talk) 02:09, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
How Hard Would It Be for Avian Flu to Spread? by Donald G. McNeil Jr. and Denise Grady published NYT January 2, 2012 (page D1 in print) 97.87.29.188 ( talk) 01:06, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
John G. Bartlett, MD
Bartlett's 2013 Review: Advances in the Highly Kinetic Field of Infectious Diseases
(p. 4 of 7 online) Medscape Infectious Diseases
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/815114_4
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In the section Influenza pandemics in the table Known influenza pandemics the numbers don't add up.
People infected (est.): 10–200 million[43]
Deaths: 105,700–395,600[44]
Case fatality rate: 0.03%[45]
According to the cited infection and death rates, the fatality rate should be from 105,700/200,000,000 = 0.05285% to 395,600/100,000,000 = 0.3956%.
I suggest checking other sources, or adding a note to the table explaining that the numbers are incompatible.
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