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Indo Canadians represented 20.6% of gang deaths from 2006 to 2014.
142.28.225.185 ( talk) 16:46, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
the editor who built this section is from Texas and has no idea of the BLP and "danger" issues associated with this content. Rather than try and edit its jumble of sentences without context, I have moved it here for integration into this article where it belongsand where editors more familiar with crime articles can vet/incorporate it; he misses a lot about the new era of non-ethnic gangs like the Red Scorpions and Independent Soldiers and others where IC criminals are involved/connected; his focus is purely ethnic/racial and he shows little interest in the context of items he adds, or any interest in general history/society at all. He'd originally titled the article " Asian Indians in Vancouver" and protested and board-warred over my change to "Indo-Canadians in Greater Vancouver" using a pile of SYNTH from academic sources, claiming that the "Asian Indians" usage found in a Rutgers paper was valid and that all the Canadian norms were not valid and that my statements about that were "original research". So it's clear that more Canadian eyes are needed on that article, as well as in revising what's in the collapse box below, and on others he's created and continues to build in the same erratic but heavily-cited fashion. Skookum1 ( talk) 12:51, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
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By 2009, the Indo-Canadian communities of Greater Vancouver had encountered gang violence among their young males. [1] Bindy Johal was a prominent figure in the organized crime world. [2] As a result of the gang wars, over 100 men of South Asian origins have been murdered in a period from the mid-1990s until 2012. [3] Between 1992 and 2002 at least 50 people died. [4] Greater Vancouver had a peak in gang violence in the mid-2000s. [2] The Indo-Canadian males involved in the gangs often originated from affluent families. [5] In 2002 Scott Driemel of the Vancouver Police Department had requested cooperation from the Indo-Canadian community; until that point there had been little cooperation between Indo-Canadians and the city police. [4] One gang originally was active at the Sunset Community Centre had the name Sunset Boys. This gang morphed into the Independent Soldiers (IS). The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation stated that IS "brought together Indo-Canadian gangsters in southeast Vancouver" around 2001. [6] Baljit Sangra directed the 2008 film Warrior Boyz which documents Indo-Canadian gangs in Greater Vancouver. [7] This film had its premiere at the DOXA Documentary Film Festival in Vancouver. [8] This documentary is a production of the National Film Board of Canada. The documentary A Warrior's Religion, directed by Mani Amar, is also about Indo-Canadian gangs in Vancouver. It was screened in Surrey. [1] Surrey author Ranj Dhaliwal wrote the Daaku series of novels about crime within the Indo-Canadian community. [9] R. K. Pruthi, author of Sikhism And Indian Civilization, wrote that Vancouver was the centre of the Khalistan movement's militant activities in Canada but that the movement did not only conduct militant activities in Vancouver. [10]|}A brief summary can be included on the Indo-Canadians in Greater Vancouver page, but there was no need for this on that page, like so much else there added by the same editor who has no idea of the context or relevance of nearly anything he adds and constantly uses "so and so in such a nad so a publication" phrasing rather than simple, plain English. Skookum1 ( talk) 12:24, 19 February 2015 (UTC) References which didn't stay in the collapse boxUnusual to put a reflist on a talkpage but necessary because collapse box template doesn't "hold" them.
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Following comments at the WP:Teahouse/Questions#what do you do when a page is a trainwreck I've removed the section Indo-Candian gang deaths.
This was for a few reasons. The sourcing is poor (two insubstantial sources for the overall section, no per-entry cites) and this is close to BLP territory. Mostly though this was a big section that just didn't contribute much to overall encyclopedic understanding of the topic as a whole. If the numbers are significant, then a total count would convey that.
If anyone wants to make this into a list article, or thinks it should be restored (but with better sourcing please!) then the removal diff is here and you can retrieve from that easily enough. Andy Dingley ( talk) 16:10, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus. I don't think that re-listing this a second time will lead to arguments leading to a consensus at this time. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 19:29, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Punjabi-Canadian organized crime → Indo-Canadian organized crime – " Indo-Canadian organized crime" was the original name of this page and it is a more appropriate name for the page. A number of the citations make no reference to the Punjabi/Sikh links and some of those that directly refer to links to the Punjab talk of the "multi-ethnic" nature of the gangs. For example the citation with the title "Canada gang wars have a Punjab connection" [1] states that "gangs have members from all ethnic groups" and still uses the term "Indo-Canadian" template, and we should revert to that. I think that this would also help with ensuring a NPOV within the article.
References
Gusfriend ( talk) 06:39, 4 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — CX Zoom[he/him] ( let's talk • C • L) 07:52, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
References
Gusfriend ( talk) 12:15, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
“Sikh” religion is not affiliated with gangsters. It does not apply and is incorrect.
If not going to edit add religious groups of Italian gangster or Asian gangsters.
As this is absolute MISINFORMATION! 2604:3D08:5782:6400:15AF:25D7:910:589E ( talk) 19:18, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
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Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/bluebyline/2012/08/01/apples-and-oranges-the-canadian-perspective-on-american-gun-control/ http://www.insideprison.com/prison-gangs-canada.asp http://www.vdare.com/articles/the-sikhs-of-vancouver and others. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, and according to fair use may copy sentences and phrases, provided they are included in quotation marks and referenced properly. The material may also be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Therefore such paraphrased portions must provide their source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:38, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
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Indo Canadians represented 20.6% of gang deaths from 2006 to 2014.
142.28.225.185 ( talk) 16:46, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
the editor who built this section is from Texas and has no idea of the BLP and "danger" issues associated with this content. Rather than try and edit its jumble of sentences without context, I have moved it here for integration into this article where it belongsand where editors more familiar with crime articles can vet/incorporate it; he misses a lot about the new era of non-ethnic gangs like the Red Scorpions and Independent Soldiers and others where IC criminals are involved/connected; his focus is purely ethnic/racial and he shows little interest in the context of items he adds, or any interest in general history/society at all. He'd originally titled the article " Asian Indians in Vancouver" and protested and board-warred over my change to "Indo-Canadians in Greater Vancouver" using a pile of SYNTH from academic sources, claiming that the "Asian Indians" usage found in a Rutgers paper was valid and that all the Canadian norms were not valid and that my statements about that were "original research". So it's clear that more Canadian eyes are needed on that article, as well as in revising what's in the collapse box below, and on others he's created and continues to build in the same erratic but heavily-cited fashion. Skookum1 ( talk) 12:51, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
"Crime" section material moved here from ICinBC article
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By 2009, the Indo-Canadian communities of Greater Vancouver had encountered gang violence among their young males. [1] Bindy Johal was a prominent figure in the organized crime world. [2] As a result of the gang wars, over 100 men of South Asian origins have been murdered in a period from the mid-1990s until 2012. [3] Between 1992 and 2002 at least 50 people died. [4] Greater Vancouver had a peak in gang violence in the mid-2000s. [2] The Indo-Canadian males involved in the gangs often originated from affluent families. [5] In 2002 Scott Driemel of the Vancouver Police Department had requested cooperation from the Indo-Canadian community; until that point there had been little cooperation between Indo-Canadians and the city police. [4] One gang originally was active at the Sunset Community Centre had the name Sunset Boys. This gang morphed into the Independent Soldiers (IS). The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation stated that IS "brought together Indo-Canadian gangsters in southeast Vancouver" around 2001. [6] Baljit Sangra directed the 2008 film Warrior Boyz which documents Indo-Canadian gangs in Greater Vancouver. [7] This film had its premiere at the DOXA Documentary Film Festival in Vancouver. [8] This documentary is a production of the National Film Board of Canada. The documentary A Warrior's Religion, directed by Mani Amar, is also about Indo-Canadian gangs in Vancouver. It was screened in Surrey. [1] Surrey author Ranj Dhaliwal wrote the Daaku series of novels about crime within the Indo-Canadian community. [9] R. K. Pruthi, author of Sikhism And Indian Civilization, wrote that Vancouver was the centre of the Khalistan movement's militant activities in Canada but that the movement did not only conduct militant activities in Vancouver. [10]|}A brief summary can be included on the Indo-Canadians in Greater Vancouver page, but there was no need for this on that page, like so much else there added by the same editor who has no idea of the context or relevance of nearly anything he adds and constantly uses "so and so in such a nad so a publication" phrasing rather than simple, plain English. Skookum1 ( talk) 12:24, 19 February 2015 (UTC) References which didn't stay in the collapse boxUnusual to put a reflist on a talkpage but necessary because collapse box template doesn't "hold" them.
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Following comments at the WP:Teahouse/Questions#what do you do when a page is a trainwreck I've removed the section Indo-Candian gang deaths.
This was for a few reasons. The sourcing is poor (two insubstantial sources for the overall section, no per-entry cites) and this is close to BLP territory. Mostly though this was a big section that just didn't contribute much to overall encyclopedic understanding of the topic as a whole. If the numbers are significant, then a total count would convey that.
If anyone wants to make this into a list article, or thinks it should be restored (but with better sourcing please!) then the removal diff is here and you can retrieve from that easily enough. Andy Dingley ( talk) 16:10, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus. I don't think that re-listing this a second time will lead to arguments leading to a consensus at this time. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 19:29, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Punjabi-Canadian organized crime → Indo-Canadian organized crime – " Indo-Canadian organized crime" was the original name of this page and it is a more appropriate name for the page. A number of the citations make no reference to the Punjabi/Sikh links and some of those that directly refer to links to the Punjab talk of the "multi-ethnic" nature of the gangs. For example the citation with the title "Canada gang wars have a Punjab connection" [1] states that "gangs have members from all ethnic groups" and still uses the term "Indo-Canadian" template, and we should revert to that. I think that this would also help with ensuring a NPOV within the article.
References
Gusfriend ( talk) 06:39, 4 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — CX Zoom[he/him] ( let's talk • C • L) 07:52, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
References
Gusfriend ( talk) 12:15, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
“Sikh” religion is not affiliated with gangsters. It does not apply and is incorrect.
If not going to edit add religious groups of Italian gangster or Asian gangsters.
As this is absolute MISINFORMATION! 2604:3D08:5782:6400:15AF:25D7:910:589E ( talk) 19:18, 25 July 2022 (UTC)