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When I created this article I was aiming for a worldwide view with a neutral point of view, as this is indeed a very controversial topic, that is why there is plenty of references on controversial contents, with both sides of the discussion reflected. You are welcome to collaborate, improve my NPOV, but all unreferenced edits or from non WP:RS will be speedily deleted. Also, I left hidden some text with an outline of the rest of the article, showing how I plan to continue developing this article. Since most of the references are already in the published part of the article, please feel free do use them to do your own edits. I will continue working on expanding the article during the following days to raise it at B class.-- Mariordo ( talk) 23:54, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Reviewer: Shirik ( Questions or Comments?) 01:39, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
This is a very well written article. With some work, it is easily a contender for featured article. It could use another pair of eyes for a copyedit. While the article was good in grammar/spelling, I did catch a few mistakes (that I cleaned up myself because they were minor). Another thorough review would be helpful. I'm only concerned about the images (and only slightly). I recognize that finding images directly related to this topic is difficult because it's not a tangible topic, however, the number of images in the lede, for example, may be overshooting the mark. This is something to consider for future work, but will not hold up this article from GA. Well done.
Overall pass. A well written article.
Obviously a lot of work has gone into this article and there is much useful info being presented. But I agree with the GA reviewer that this article needs copyediting (have added a ce tag) and the lead needs to be trimmed. I also think that at 97kb the article is too long and that there are many long sentences which need to be broken up and re-written for clarity. For example, the meaning of these sentences eludes me:
A paper published in February 2008 in Sciencexpress by a team led by Searchinger from Princeton University concluded that once considered indirect land use changes effects in the life cycle assessment of biofuels used to substitute gasoline, instead of savings both corn and cellulosic ethanol increased carbon emissions as compared to gasoline by 93 and 50 percent respectively.
A second paper published in the same issue of Sciencexpress, by a team led by Fargione from The Nature Conservancy, found that a carbon debt is created when natural lands are cleared and being converted to biofuel production and to crop production when agricultural land is diverted to biofuel production, therefore this carbon debt applies to both direct and indirect land use changes.
-- Johnfos ( talk) 04:33, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Per " EPA Confirms Most Corn Ethanol Worsens Global Warming Pollution", and article contents in general. 141.218.36.152 ( talk) 23:25, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
I ran through this and reduced the word count by ~1/3. I repeatedly removed repetitive contextual info (e.g. replacing "blah relating to X" with "blah" in a section titled "X").
The article has a spectacular number of refs, but the effect is to overwhelm the reader. Better to pick the best ref for the point and move the rest to "See also" or drop.
I tried to consistently replace present tense with past tense and added "as of" type language to anchor sentences that used language such as the ephemeral "currently".
I concur that the article continues to show too much detail. I reduced that only slightly.
The article would be improved if it discussed (or ref'd an article that discussed) the models that underlie this discussion. As of 20111, the article is too much about the politics/policies and not enough about the science, which is the bit that will endure.
I'll do another pass to clean up any errors that I introduced, although I think that if I looked at this with fresh eyes, I might spike another 1/3 of the text... Lfstevens ( talk) 08:44, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
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This is very misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rowaneisner ( talk • contribs) 15:45, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
This is an excellent article but it is severely outdated in terms of developments since 2012. For example, the European biofuel regime including rules concerning ILUC has undergone several significant changes and additions, i.e. in 2015 and 2018, and prepararing for revisions in 2021. The scientific discussion has also clearly evolved, among many recent significant contributions are Cooper et al. in Nature Communications volume 11, Article number: 407 (2020)
By 2020 ...and we have passed that date then it is out of date. There is very little information beyond 2010, when the article passed GA. Aircorn (talk) 19:58, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
Someone has commented on the talk page that the article is out of date but I don't know enough about the subject to reassess the article myself Chidgk1 ( talk) 15:18, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm wondering why the former should be mentioned in said Indirect land use change impacts of biofuels? Can the writer of this article or anybody help enlighten me? Thanks. ThomasYehYeh ( talk) 03:14, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Shirik ( Questions or Comments?) 01:39, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
This is a very well written article. With some work, it is easily a contender for featured article. It could use another pair of eyes for a copyedit. While the article was good in grammar/spelling, I did catch a few mistakes (that I cleaned up myself because they were minor). Another thorough review would be helpful. I'm only concerned about the images (and only slightly). I recognize that finding images directly related to this topic is difficult because it's not a tangible topic, however, the number of images in the lede, for example, may be overshooting the mark. This is something to consider for future work, but will not hold up this article from GA. Well done.
Overall pass. A well written article.
Obviously a lot of work has gone into this article and there is much useful info being presented. But I agree with the GA reviewer that this article needs copyediting (have added a ce tag) and the lead needs to be trimmed. I also think that at 97kb the article is too long and that there are many long sentences which need to be broken up and re-written for clarity. For example, the meaning of these sentences eludes me:
A paper published in February 2008 in Sciencexpress by a team led by Searchinger from Princeton University concluded that once considered indirect land use changes effects in the life cycle assessment of biofuels used to substitute gasoline, instead of savings both corn and cellulosic ethanol increased carbon emissions as compared to gasoline by 93 and 50 percent respectively.
A second paper published in the same issue of Sciencexpress, by a team led by Fargione from The Nature Conservancy, found that a carbon debt is created when natural lands are cleared and being converted to biofuel production and to crop production when agricultural land is diverted to biofuel production, therefore this carbon debt applies to both direct and indirect land use changes.
-- Johnfos ( talk) 04:33, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Per " EPA Confirms Most Corn Ethanol Worsens Global Warming Pollution", and article contents in general. 141.218.36.152 ( talk) 23:25, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
I ran through this and reduced the word count by ~1/3. I repeatedly removed repetitive contextual info (e.g. replacing "blah relating to X" with "blah" in a section titled "X").
The article has a spectacular number of refs, but the effect is to overwhelm the reader. Better to pick the best ref for the point and move the rest to "See also" or drop.
I tried to consistently replace present tense with past tense and added "as of" type language to anchor sentences that used language such as the ephemeral "currently".
I concur that the article continues to show too much detail. I reduced that only slightly.
The article would be improved if it discussed (or ref'd an article that discussed) the models that underlie this discussion. As of 20111, the article is too much about the politics/policies and not enough about the science, which is the bit that will endure.
I'll do another pass to clean up any errors that I introduced, although I think that if I looked at this with fresh eyes, I might spike another 1/3 of the text... Lfstevens ( talk) 08:44, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
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This is very misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rowaneisner ( talk • contribs) 15:45, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
This is an excellent article but it is severely outdated in terms of developments since 2012. For example, the European biofuel regime including rules concerning ILUC has undergone several significant changes and additions, i.e. in 2015 and 2018, and prepararing for revisions in 2021. The scientific discussion has also clearly evolved, among many recent significant contributions are Cooper et al. in Nature Communications volume 11, Article number: 407 (2020)
By 2020 ...and we have passed that date then it is out of date. There is very little information beyond 2010, when the article passed GA. Aircorn (talk) 19:58, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
Someone has commented on the talk page that the article is out of date but I don't know enough about the subject to reassess the article myself Chidgk1 ( talk) 15:18, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm wondering why the former should be mentioned in said Indirect land use change impacts of biofuels? Can the writer of this article or anybody help enlighten me? Thanks. ThomasYehYeh ( talk) 03:14, 8 December 2022 (UTC)