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I have found on an Anthropological journal from the university of Chicago: Current Anthropology: Can Culture Be Copyrighted? a very good example of a dispute for cultural patrimony: It is the Hopi & Apache versus American Museums in 1994. They wanted everything back, including written records. This was allowed under the NAPGRA Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act. Do you think it is a good idea to post it up? Xavier Peniche ( talk) 18:37, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
This article is a total mess. Headings are not to contain links or refs or repeat article title. References are full of all capitals when they should be title case. There are far too many quotes, making it is difficult to read as it is not really formal prose. Editors of this article should become more familiar with the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. - Shiftchange ( talk) 09:48, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sure the format can be improved. What about the substance? This seems to me unbalanced. Reading the article, you get the impression that there can be no possible objection to the idea, or any practical difficulty in implementing it. It needs balance by inserting some account of objections and difficulties. I'd do this myself, except that I'd have my comments objected to as 'original research'. Anyone have any good references to suitable published articles? Twr57 ( talk) 17:09, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Going along with the "Mess" comments above, this article has huge problems.
Clean up: External links in the body, links in section headers, etc. Original research: This article is ostensibly about intellectual property, yet it talks about and quotes extensively from many declarations that have no real application to the topic. Some government somewhere asserting that cultures should protect culture is NOT the same thing as saying that intellectual property rights were given. The editor who did this made that conclusion, but there is no sources actually supporting that right. Similarly, examples of cultures being offended by use of terms in their culture in advertising or marketing and the company backing down is NOT an admission that the culture had intellectual property rights. POV-pushing: By including all of this material that is not directly related, the article is slanted in a major way toward the view that these groups should or do have intellectual property rights that no law has actually given them. There also is basically nothing to demonstrate the actual prevailing legal thought around the world, which is that these groups do not and should not have any special intellectual property rights.
Frankly, in order for this article to be compliant with Wikipedia policies, it would require completely removing the majority of the current content and a total rewrite of the rest. DreamGuy ( talk) 16:55, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Tags identify article as having multiple issues, including some POV etc.
Working onwards from the first paragraph which described the article as being about a 'term' that is used in national and international forums .. to remove POV and issues .. it seems appropriate to try to limit leading paragraph to simple description of the term and it's use .. and shift referenced opinion, such as the following, to a new section .. perhaps entitled 'debate' or 'competing opinions' about the relative pros and cons of the term and/or way it is being used:
Exerpt from pov:
The digital revolution has dramatically increased the ability of in- dividuals and corporations to appropriate and profit from the cul- tural knowledge of indigenous peoples, which is largely unpro- tected by existing intellectual property law. In response, legal scholars, anthropologists, and native activists now propose new legal regimes designed to defend indigenous cultures by radically expanding the notion of copyright. Unfortunately, these propos- als are often informed by romantic assumptions that ignore the broader crisis of intellectual property and the already imperiled status of the public domain.
Would be glad to make a start on some of the debate around the term and it's use etc .. but should also suggest, in relation to comment made back in December that 'indigenous intellectual property' may be a fiction .. that irrespective of whether or not the term/ concept is linked to anything real in the world .. much like much debated terms such as justice etc .. it is, never-the-less, a term/ concept that does exist .. and IS, as a matter of fact, being used by within the World Intellectual Property Organisation and around the world.
Hope this assists. Bruceanthro ( talk) 11:49, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
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Overhauled the article, though it was mostly just formatting problems by the time I came across it. This is well-sourced and documents an issue that can be contentious. But just because someone may not like the concept of intellectual property rights, doesn't mean we don't document the issue on Wikipedia. Do we go to articles on freeing the slaves or African Americans getting the vote and flag it for POV issues and demand there be a "criticism" section? The article documents the issue, and largely relies on quotes from the Indigenous groups themselves. - Slàn, Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦ ♫ 00:33, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
so, there is NO criticism of this concept?
none at all?
REALLY?'
Lx 121 ( talk) 15:17, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Someone has obviously added this section, though it was pretty bad, almost offensive in parts. I distilled what I thought was the essence of it, but I couldn't add any citations.-- Gueux de mer ( talk) 05:03, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
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Why is there no mention of the fact that no courts or countries recognize these rights. I get that some in these Nations believe/feel that this information is theirs and that harm comes from its use outside of their cultural norms, but that doesn't jive with current laws/treaties which aren't mentioned. Buffs ( talk) 16:28, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Jack90s15: Please stop edit warring. We do not need to list every declaration about Indigenous intellectual property as not every declaration is notable. 5.104.90.107 ( talk) 17:53, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
IP editor, you are removing sourced content to insert completey unsourced opinion. You are also edit-warring with others. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 18:25, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
I'm not opposed to some of the sections being made more concise. But, dynamic IP editor who is removing warnings from your pages and who fits the same profile as the UTRS troll, I'd rather have someone who hasn't been disruptive do it. Like someone who hasn't been disruptive on these articles. Your edit-warring and attempts to avoid accoutability rule you out. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 19:51, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
There are duplications between the Declarations and Claims of Violations sections. Even if there isn't a ton of duplicated content, it points to the fact that editors have skipped sections to start new ones, and this needs to be restructured to flow better. Still looking this over to see if I have a clear idea on how to best do this. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 21:42, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
OK, I think we need an overview section with the most important rulings, that comes before the chronological stuff. I think UNDRIP needs to be prioritized. I'm going to do a bit of a shift with this, I think.... - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 21:47, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
OK, I mostly just restructured it. Most of the tedious, unreadability was poor formatting. The main issues are now up top, and the historical resolutions are now compressed in a history section. We can continue to discuss POV and sourcing, but the tagging was largely driveby, with no concrete suggestions forthcoming. Feel free to suggest productive changes. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 22:53, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello, User:Jwoodward48wiki. I erase some of the items from because I think that there is too much examples and thought maybe we should remove a few if that is OK. 152.165.67.17 ( talk) 18:27, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
It's not our role to declare what is and isn't legal. We're just documenting. Neither you nor Storm/shifting IP has stated which precedents aren't relevant, or why. It's not that long of an article, and TL;DR isn't really a convincing rationale. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 20:28, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Buffs, you do not have consensus to remove the quotes from UNDRIP and NARF. Just because you and the shifting IP/two different named accounts user don't like them. Discuss it here. Those are two of the most important things in the article, that's why they're up top, and that's why I've reverted you. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 01:01, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
I only just realized the extent to which this had been gutted. Look, if you don't like the article, go work on something else. What you did here is gut content for no good reason. TL;DR is no reason. When articles get too long, we split things off, we don't just delete them 'cause some people don't like it. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 01:21, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Here is why there are so many quotes, and why the article, which has been stable in this format for years until this disruption, needs to stay in this format: This is a timeline of resolutions and consensus statements. It is important that they be accurately represented, rather than paraphrased (and especially not paraphrased by anyone who has been involved in conflicts regarding POV-pushing on these topics).
I didn't start this article, or make the choice to focus on pull quotes, but I've come to see that this is a good choice for this particular article. The reason being we want to avoid misinterpretation of these statements. The exact wording of these resolutions is important.
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I agree with Buffs' position on the quotes. There are way too many of them; WP:QUOTEFARM applies. Either many of these quotes should be trimmed, or if this is really just a list of statements, then it should be turns into an explicit list article and assessed for notability per WP:LISTN. R2 ( bleep) 04:59, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
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CorbieVreccan, correct me if I'm wrong here, but it seems that you're well-involved here and shouldn't have blocked anyone with whom you're having a disagreement. Likewise, blocking a TOR node indefinitely seems to run contrary to WP guidance. What am I missing? Buffs ( talk) 20:18, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
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The section is 'a history of'. It includes a variety of examples that represent a variety of s communities. The examples are pertinent to the topic and shows that intellectual property violations are international. Indigenous girl ( talk) 21:07, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
Undent.
So, Solarstorm, you already know that Buffs is OK with a list? You're comfortable speaking for him? Anything you'd like to disclose?
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Should the 'A history of claims and declarations...' section be an exhaustive list? SolarStorm1859 (lostpwd) ( talk) 16:33, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
All I've added a POV tag to this article. Of the 42 citations in this article, 18 are primary sources (11 originating from the same UN body). 11 additional sources are from advocacy or activist articles. 10 are from third party sources, but of these only 2 are NOT Maori-related and both of those are Anti-Cultural Appropriation advocates in academic publications. Of the remaining 3 citations, one is self-published, one is an unpublished law school paper, and one is a dead link.
If you take out issues related to the Maori, 100% of the article is primary sources, self published articles, and advocacy/activist pieces. Ergo, in addition to the WP:MOS issues listed above, this article is woefully out of compliance with WP:NPOV and needs an overhaul. Buffs ( talk) 17:42, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
This article needed a criticism section so I have added one from our article on cultural appropriation. SolarStorm1859 (lostpwd) ( talk) 12:05, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
I think this is relevant. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 01:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
The four images could be more informative and would look better if they were larger and aesthetically placed instead of being haphazardly off to the side. Shadamss ( talk) 06:44, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
hello, i am a pretty inexperienced editor and don't really know this article very well, but i noticed that this article has a "multiple issues" template, so i went to check the talk page to see what those issues were and what the consensus was to see what to do, and saw that the talk page is kind of a dumpster fire, to put it mildly. i noticed that a lot of the, uh, disagreements, i'll say, seemed to revolve around three users in particular, an admin and two others (one IP and one user), and i worry that the article's quality has suffered because of it. i'll be honest, i'm a little scared to speak up because of the fact that the most involved, passionate, and heated user in the discussion is an admin, but i'll do it anyway, because it is a concern, because the admin did kind of go after the editors themselves rather than the edits, and as a result, i'm kind of scared to mention the people involved.
i did notice that the article has a disproportionate focus on specific tribal declarations, as much of the bulk of the article is of direct quotes from tribal declarations, many of which have similar themes, and comparatively little on the wider discussion surrounding the topic. as a result, i feel it doesn't really provide an accurate overview of the topic, it just lists the statements themselves. additionally, it appears that the majority of these statements are from north american and austronesian tribes, which makes me a little concerned about WP:GLOBAL, on top of the WP:QUOTEFARM, WP:LONGQUOTE, WP:NPOV, and maybe WP:OWN, not as an accusation but a simple concern as an outsider. i hope this doesn't come across as being malicious, and i'm sorry if this is necroing. Birdn4t0r ( talk) 21:03, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
After encountering this 'paper' being cited to as evidence that the composer of Ka mate was not Te Rauparaha for the first time in my life, I read it closely, and it is self-published by an amateur folksong historian, and is not verified or corroborated or even cited by any other researchers in this area. Further, it directly contradicts other published sources.
So have removed it in line with WP:SELFPUB until the author's reliability in the field can be verified. Cyresse ( talk) 05:39, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
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I have found on an Anthropological journal from the university of Chicago: Current Anthropology: Can Culture Be Copyrighted? a very good example of a dispute for cultural patrimony: It is the Hopi & Apache versus American Museums in 1994. They wanted everything back, including written records. This was allowed under the NAPGRA Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act. Do you think it is a good idea to post it up? Xavier Peniche ( talk) 18:37, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
This article is a total mess. Headings are not to contain links or refs or repeat article title. References are full of all capitals when they should be title case. There are far too many quotes, making it is difficult to read as it is not really formal prose. Editors of this article should become more familiar with the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. - Shiftchange ( talk) 09:48, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sure the format can be improved. What about the substance? This seems to me unbalanced. Reading the article, you get the impression that there can be no possible objection to the idea, or any practical difficulty in implementing it. It needs balance by inserting some account of objections and difficulties. I'd do this myself, except that I'd have my comments objected to as 'original research'. Anyone have any good references to suitable published articles? Twr57 ( talk) 17:09, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Going along with the "Mess" comments above, this article has huge problems.
Clean up: External links in the body, links in section headers, etc. Original research: This article is ostensibly about intellectual property, yet it talks about and quotes extensively from many declarations that have no real application to the topic. Some government somewhere asserting that cultures should protect culture is NOT the same thing as saying that intellectual property rights were given. The editor who did this made that conclusion, but there is no sources actually supporting that right. Similarly, examples of cultures being offended by use of terms in their culture in advertising or marketing and the company backing down is NOT an admission that the culture had intellectual property rights. POV-pushing: By including all of this material that is not directly related, the article is slanted in a major way toward the view that these groups should or do have intellectual property rights that no law has actually given them. There also is basically nothing to demonstrate the actual prevailing legal thought around the world, which is that these groups do not and should not have any special intellectual property rights.
Frankly, in order for this article to be compliant with Wikipedia policies, it would require completely removing the majority of the current content and a total rewrite of the rest. DreamGuy ( talk) 16:55, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Tags identify article as having multiple issues, including some POV etc.
Working onwards from the first paragraph which described the article as being about a 'term' that is used in national and international forums .. to remove POV and issues .. it seems appropriate to try to limit leading paragraph to simple description of the term and it's use .. and shift referenced opinion, such as the following, to a new section .. perhaps entitled 'debate' or 'competing opinions' about the relative pros and cons of the term and/or way it is being used:
Exerpt from pov:
The digital revolution has dramatically increased the ability of in- dividuals and corporations to appropriate and profit from the cul- tural knowledge of indigenous peoples, which is largely unpro- tected by existing intellectual property law. In response, legal scholars, anthropologists, and native activists now propose new legal regimes designed to defend indigenous cultures by radically expanding the notion of copyright. Unfortunately, these propos- als are often informed by romantic assumptions that ignore the broader crisis of intellectual property and the already imperiled status of the public domain.
Would be glad to make a start on some of the debate around the term and it's use etc .. but should also suggest, in relation to comment made back in December that 'indigenous intellectual property' may be a fiction .. that irrespective of whether or not the term/ concept is linked to anything real in the world .. much like much debated terms such as justice etc .. it is, never-the-less, a term/ concept that does exist .. and IS, as a matter of fact, being used by within the World Intellectual Property Organisation and around the world.
Hope this assists. Bruceanthro ( talk) 11:49, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
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Overhauled the article, though it was mostly just formatting problems by the time I came across it. This is well-sourced and documents an issue that can be contentious. But just because someone may not like the concept of intellectual property rights, doesn't mean we don't document the issue on Wikipedia. Do we go to articles on freeing the slaves or African Americans getting the vote and flag it for POV issues and demand there be a "criticism" section? The article documents the issue, and largely relies on quotes from the Indigenous groups themselves. - Slàn, Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦ ♫ 00:33, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
so, there is NO criticism of this concept?
none at all?
REALLY?'
Lx 121 ( talk) 15:17, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Someone has obviously added this section, though it was pretty bad, almost offensive in parts. I distilled what I thought was the essence of it, but I couldn't add any citations.-- Gueux de mer ( talk) 05:03, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
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Why is there no mention of the fact that no courts or countries recognize these rights. I get that some in these Nations believe/feel that this information is theirs and that harm comes from its use outside of their cultural norms, but that doesn't jive with current laws/treaties which aren't mentioned. Buffs ( talk) 16:28, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Jack90s15: Please stop edit warring. We do not need to list every declaration about Indigenous intellectual property as not every declaration is notable. 5.104.90.107 ( talk) 17:53, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
IP editor, you are removing sourced content to insert completey unsourced opinion. You are also edit-warring with others. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 18:25, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
I'm not opposed to some of the sections being made more concise. But, dynamic IP editor who is removing warnings from your pages and who fits the same profile as the UTRS troll, I'd rather have someone who hasn't been disruptive do it. Like someone who hasn't been disruptive on these articles. Your edit-warring and attempts to avoid accoutability rule you out. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 19:51, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
There are duplications between the Declarations and Claims of Violations sections. Even if there isn't a ton of duplicated content, it points to the fact that editors have skipped sections to start new ones, and this needs to be restructured to flow better. Still looking this over to see if I have a clear idea on how to best do this. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 21:42, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
OK, I think we need an overview section with the most important rulings, that comes before the chronological stuff. I think UNDRIP needs to be prioritized. I'm going to do a bit of a shift with this, I think.... - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 21:47, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
OK, I mostly just restructured it. Most of the tedious, unreadability was poor formatting. The main issues are now up top, and the historical resolutions are now compressed in a history section. We can continue to discuss POV and sourcing, but the tagging was largely driveby, with no concrete suggestions forthcoming. Feel free to suggest productive changes. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 22:53, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello, User:Jwoodward48wiki. I erase some of the items from because I think that there is too much examples and thought maybe we should remove a few if that is OK. 152.165.67.17 ( talk) 18:27, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
It's not our role to declare what is and isn't legal. We're just documenting. Neither you nor Storm/shifting IP has stated which precedents aren't relevant, or why. It's not that long of an article, and TL;DR isn't really a convincing rationale. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 20:28, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Buffs, you do not have consensus to remove the quotes from UNDRIP and NARF. Just because you and the shifting IP/two different named accounts user don't like them. Discuss it here. Those are two of the most important things in the article, that's why they're up top, and that's why I've reverted you. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 01:01, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
I only just realized the extent to which this had been gutted. Look, if you don't like the article, go work on something else. What you did here is gut content for no good reason. TL;DR is no reason. When articles get too long, we split things off, we don't just delete them 'cause some people don't like it. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 01:21, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Here is why there are so many quotes, and why the article, which has been stable in this format for years until this disruption, needs to stay in this format: This is a timeline of resolutions and consensus statements. It is important that they be accurately represented, rather than paraphrased (and especially not paraphrased by anyone who has been involved in conflicts regarding POV-pushing on these topics).
I didn't start this article, or make the choice to focus on pull quotes, but I've come to see that this is a good choice for this particular article. The reason being we want to avoid misinterpretation of these statements. The exact wording of these resolutions is important.
In a general article exploring a topic, over-reliance on pull quotes is indeed a lazy writing style. This is not that type of article. But even on articles where we're not quoting resolutions, exact quotes can be an effective way to deal with disruptive editors who want to inaccurately reword sections. -
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I agree with Buffs' position on the quotes. There are way too many of them; WP:QUOTEFARM applies. Either many of these quotes should be trimmed, or if this is really just a list of statements, then it should be turns into an explicit list article and assessed for notability per WP:LISTN. R2 ( bleep) 04:59, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
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CorbieVreccan, correct me if I'm wrong here, but it seems that you're well-involved here and shouldn't have blocked anyone with whom you're having a disagreement. Likewise, blocking a TOR node indefinitely seems to run contrary to WP guidance. What am I missing? Buffs ( talk) 20:18, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
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The section is 'a history of'. It includes a variety of examples that represent a variety of s communities. The examples are pertinent to the topic and shows that intellectual property violations are international. Indigenous girl ( talk) 21:07, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
Undent.
So, Solarstorm, you already know that Buffs is OK with a list? You're comfortable speaking for him? Anything you'd like to disclose?
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Should the 'A history of claims and declarations...' section be an exhaustive list? SolarStorm1859 (lostpwd) ( talk) 16:33, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
All I've added a POV tag to this article. Of the 42 citations in this article, 18 are primary sources (11 originating from the same UN body). 11 additional sources are from advocacy or activist articles. 10 are from third party sources, but of these only 2 are NOT Maori-related and both of those are Anti-Cultural Appropriation advocates in academic publications. Of the remaining 3 citations, one is self-published, one is an unpublished law school paper, and one is a dead link.
If you take out issues related to the Maori, 100% of the article is primary sources, self published articles, and advocacy/activist pieces. Ergo, in addition to the WP:MOS issues listed above, this article is woefully out of compliance with WP:NPOV and needs an overhaul. Buffs ( talk) 17:42, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
This article needed a criticism section so I have added one from our article on cultural appropriation. SolarStorm1859 (lostpwd) ( talk) 12:05, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
I think this is relevant. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 01:59, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
The four images could be more informative and would look better if they were larger and aesthetically placed instead of being haphazardly off to the side. Shadamss ( talk) 06:44, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
hello, i am a pretty inexperienced editor and don't really know this article very well, but i noticed that this article has a "multiple issues" template, so i went to check the talk page to see what those issues were and what the consensus was to see what to do, and saw that the talk page is kind of a dumpster fire, to put it mildly. i noticed that a lot of the, uh, disagreements, i'll say, seemed to revolve around three users in particular, an admin and two others (one IP and one user), and i worry that the article's quality has suffered because of it. i'll be honest, i'm a little scared to speak up because of the fact that the most involved, passionate, and heated user in the discussion is an admin, but i'll do it anyway, because it is a concern, because the admin did kind of go after the editors themselves rather than the edits, and as a result, i'm kind of scared to mention the people involved.
i did notice that the article has a disproportionate focus on specific tribal declarations, as much of the bulk of the article is of direct quotes from tribal declarations, many of which have similar themes, and comparatively little on the wider discussion surrounding the topic. as a result, i feel it doesn't really provide an accurate overview of the topic, it just lists the statements themselves. additionally, it appears that the majority of these statements are from north american and austronesian tribes, which makes me a little concerned about WP:GLOBAL, on top of the WP:QUOTEFARM, WP:LONGQUOTE, WP:NPOV, and maybe WP:OWN, not as an accusation but a simple concern as an outsider. i hope this doesn't come across as being malicious, and i'm sorry if this is necroing. Birdn4t0r ( talk) 21:03, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
After encountering this 'paper' being cited to as evidence that the composer of Ka mate was not Te Rauparaha for the first time in my life, I read it closely, and it is self-published by an amateur folksong historian, and is not verified or corroborated or even cited by any other researchers in this area. Further, it directly contradicts other published sources.
So have removed it in line with WP:SELFPUB until the author's reliability in the field can be verified. Cyresse ( talk) 05:39, 3 February 2024 (UTC)