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I believe the "Lady with a Lamp" painting is by Raja Ravi Verma and is housed in a museum in Mysore, India. If there is another "Lady with lamp" painting by Mazumdar the article should clarify this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.165.27.182 ( talk) 22:59, August 27, 2007 (UTC) The woman with a lamp is by Late Sri.A.L.Haldankar and not by Raja Ravi Varma or Mazumdhar vide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glow_of_Hope
The contents have grown nicely. It require as
little bit of re-arrangements. -- Bhadani 23:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I removed this from the main page, as it needs significant reworking (for grammar, sources, removal of [[WP:PEACOCK|peacock terms):
Since the 1980s Indian artists started showing more vitality and variety in their work. Many of the new generation of artists have come from various fields in to art world and thus they bring with them newer concepts and styles. Devajyoti Ray had introduced in the early 1990s a new ism of art called Pseudo-realism. Again Jitish Kallat mixed graphic art with prints to develop a mode of expression which was hitherto not been used. vagaram choudhary work in new experimenting medium with 3D visuals. The other famous artists like Prakash Karmokar, Jahar Dasgupta, Bihon Choudhuri, Jogen choudhuri, vagaram choudhary and many others are enriching the modern art for India and their journey is still going on.
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Moved comment by another user from main page: "Dear wikipedia reader If you are a NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKING person, and if you have some spare time, please take a look on this article, machine translated from French (fr:Peinture en Inde). Don’t hesitate to log on as user, and make the needed language corrections. Best regards User:Andershus.". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Travelbird ( talk • contribs) 10:48, February 23, 2018 (UTC)
There is a {{ translated page}} box at the top of this page indicating that the article was translated from French (but without any version parameters, hence vague about the timing), as well as an {{ expert needed}} box at the top of the article page claiming the article was machine-translated from French. However, at least for the history of the French article, the reverse appears to be the case, as it appears to have been created as a translation from English.
The en-wiki article was created July 5, 2005. By October 13, 2007 it had grown to 14,925 bytes and contained thirteen sections including eight regional H2 headings from 'Madhubani painting' to 'Samikshavad'. The French article Peinture en Inde was created from scratch at 14,428 bytes on October 20 2007 with twelve sections and eight regional H2 headings, from 'Peinture de Madhubani' to 'Samikshavad', and is manifestly a translation of the en-wiki article of that date. (The required translation attribution was found neither in the French article's edit history of the time, nor in the Talk page, so I added required attributions there.)
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Requesting feedback from major contributors on a proposal to roll back the Indian painting article one month in order to remove a series of raw machine translations dumped into the article.
Starting on February 9, 2018 one user has made hundreds of edits to Indian painting, copying raw, unedited machine translated text from the French article fr:Peinture en Inde into the English article. This user has left "Dear Reader" messages asking people to fix up the edits after him; both on the article page itself (!; since moved to the talk page, above), and also at the Help desk.
In my view, these raw translations from the French are not helpful to the article, leave unverified text in place, and are disruptive of other editors' time. The community view about machine translations in general can be found here. In my opinion, the article should be rolled back to version 824774041 of 11:55, February 9, 2018 just before the series of MT edits (562, by my browser's tally) began. There are only a handful of edits by other users since then, and if the rollback proposal is accepted, I volunteer to reinstate any independent edits myself, after the rollback.
I don't doubt the user's good faith in making these edits, and any comments about user behavior should be confined to the user's talk page. This Talk page section is strictly about discussing how to improve the article, and in particular whether it should be rolled back to February 9; and if not, what, if anything, we should do with the auto-translated material added since then. Thanks in advance for your feedback, Mathglot ( talk) 01:55, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
Done Rollback has been carried out. If you are on the ping-list: @
Bonadea,
JJMC89,
Rodw,
ClownTracker,
Mark the train,
Tribe of Tiger,
B--aAa AaA aAa--b,
Frietjes, and
বাক্যবাগীশ: then some of your edits may have been inadvertently removed by this rollback. I will re-apply edits you made subsequent to version 827234097 of 15:08, February 23, 2018, unless:
After waiting a decent interval for responses, I'll start to reapply changes (or not) as you wish. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 11:44, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
User:Andershus again. Johnbod ( talk) 16:02, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Andershus ( talk · contribs) has continued his one-man band addition of original research and automatic translation to this article, against consensus and ignoring all attempts to contact him here, and on his talk page, and at User talk:89.94.87.52.
Absent any objection, I am planning rollback to revision 907143849 of 20 July 2019 by Mandarax. This will remove approximately 122kb of content and 678 revisions by User:Andershus and 89.94.87.52 ( talk · contribs).
As we already have a consensus about Anderhus’s disruption on this article subsequent to the previous occurrence, as well as having left advice on his Talk page after the last rollback informing him what was likely to happen if he resumed the same behavior again, I don’t think a new consensus is required. That would be more disruption, if he can tie up multiple editors with a discussion every time he decides to take another run at it.
So this is more a courtesy notice to let any editors who wish to do so, to respond before the next rollback. If there is no objection from other editor, I’ll carry out the rollback after a few days, giving Andershus one last chance to justify his edits and interact with other editors here. Mathglot ( talk) 21:33, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
The following anons have no recent edits on articles other than Indian painting; most have [re-]appeared in the last couple of days:
These and any other IPs that appear on this article with a similar pattern of SPA edits should be monitored as well. Mathglot ( talk) 16:56, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
In view of this section above, and absent any response from Andershus here or on his User talk page, now about to carry out a rollback to revision 907143849 of 20 July 2019. This will remove 126,283 bytes of content, and over 800 revisions by Andershus, and a hundred or so by five IPs editing in the same pattern.
There are almost no other edits by other editors during this interval; those few that exist are about fixing up minor issues in the content added by Andershus, so these are moot after the rollback. I don't believe that there was even one edit in this interval that was applicable to the pre-July 20 version, but if there was, it will be inadvertently removed by this rollback. If such an edit exists and was yours, I will take responsibility for restoring your edit if you {{ ping}} me below and point me to it. You can, of course, restore your own edit yourself, if you'd rather. Mathglot ( talk) 17:37, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
After two occurrences of the same type of disruption by the same editor, followed by rollbacks in each case, my feeling going forward is that any future editing in the same pattern by Andershus ( talk · contribs) at this article followed by silence when attempting to contact him about his edit(s), can be considered disruptive editing. I'm of the opinion that any editor should feel free to revert or roll back any future edits of his (or by his IP posse), if your good-faith edits to contact him here are fruitless. There's no need to have another long discussion and waiting period like this one again; we've offered him all the good faith in the world, and gotten nothing for it.
If such reverts start to take up too much editor time, I'll look into going to WP:ANI, and requesting a WP:TBAN or WP:BLOCK. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 18:22, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
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I believe the "Lady with a Lamp" painting is by Raja Ravi Verma and is housed in a museum in Mysore, India. If there is another "Lady with lamp" painting by Mazumdar the article should clarify this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.165.27.182 ( talk) 22:59, August 27, 2007 (UTC) The woman with a lamp is by Late Sri.A.L.Haldankar and not by Raja Ravi Varma or Mazumdhar vide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glow_of_Hope
The contents have grown nicely. It require as
little bit of re-arrangements. -- Bhadani 23:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I removed this from the main page, as it needs significant reworking (for grammar, sources, removal of [[WP:PEACOCK|peacock terms):
Since the 1980s Indian artists started showing more vitality and variety in their work. Many of the new generation of artists have come from various fields in to art world and thus they bring with them newer concepts and styles. Devajyoti Ray had introduced in the early 1990s a new ism of art called Pseudo-realism. Again Jitish Kallat mixed graphic art with prints to develop a mode of expression which was hitherto not been used. vagaram choudhary work in new experimenting medium with 3D visuals. The other famous artists like Prakash Karmokar, Jahar Dasgupta, Bihon Choudhuri, Jogen choudhuri, vagaram choudhary and many others are enriching the modern art for India and their journey is still going on.
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Moved comment by another user from main page: "Dear wikipedia reader If you are a NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKING person, and if you have some spare time, please take a look on this article, machine translated from French (fr:Peinture en Inde). Don’t hesitate to log on as user, and make the needed language corrections. Best regards User:Andershus.". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Travelbird ( talk • contribs) 10:48, February 23, 2018 (UTC)
There is a {{ translated page}} box at the top of this page indicating that the article was translated from French (but without any version parameters, hence vague about the timing), as well as an {{ expert needed}} box at the top of the article page claiming the article was machine-translated from French. However, at least for the history of the French article, the reverse appears to be the case, as it appears to have been created as a translation from English.
The en-wiki article was created July 5, 2005. By October 13, 2007 it had grown to 14,925 bytes and contained thirteen sections including eight regional H2 headings from 'Madhubani painting' to 'Samikshavad'. The French article Peinture en Inde was created from scratch at 14,428 bytes on October 20 2007 with twelve sections and eight regional H2 headings, from 'Peinture de Madhubani' to 'Samikshavad', and is manifestly a translation of the en-wiki article of that date. (The required translation attribution was found neither in the French article's edit history of the time, nor in the Talk page, so I added required attributions there.)
Since then, the articles diverged. It may be there were translations in the other direction, from the French to the English article, but these should be substantiated by proper attribution using the {{
translated page}} template at the top of this talk page, with all parameters filled in, notably version
and insertversion
along with an
edit summary explaining in detail what portion(s) of the French article are alleged to have been translated and added to the English one.
Mathglot (
talk)
23:31, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
Requesting feedback from major contributors on a proposal to roll back the Indian painting article one month in order to remove a series of raw machine translations dumped into the article.
Starting on February 9, 2018 one user has made hundreds of edits to Indian painting, copying raw, unedited machine translated text from the French article fr:Peinture en Inde into the English article. This user has left "Dear Reader" messages asking people to fix up the edits after him; both on the article page itself (!; since moved to the talk page, above), and also at the Help desk.
In my view, these raw translations from the French are not helpful to the article, leave unverified text in place, and are disruptive of other editors' time. The community view about machine translations in general can be found here. In my opinion, the article should be rolled back to version 824774041 of 11:55, February 9, 2018 just before the series of MT edits (562, by my browser's tally) began. There are only a handful of edits by other users since then, and if the rollback proposal is accepted, I volunteer to reinstate any independent edits myself, after the rollback.
I don't doubt the user's good faith in making these edits, and any comments about user behavior should be confined to the user's talk page. This Talk page section is strictly about discussing how to improve the article, and in particular whether it should be rolled back to February 9; and if not, what, if anything, we should do with the auto-translated material added since then. Thanks in advance for your feedback, Mathglot ( talk) 01:55, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
Done Rollback has been carried out. If you are on the ping-list: @
Bonadea,
JJMC89,
Rodw,
ClownTracker,
Mark the train,
Tribe of Tiger,
B--aAa AaA aAa--b,
Frietjes, and
বাক্যবাগীশ: then some of your edits may have been inadvertently removed by this rollback. I will re-apply edits you made subsequent to version 827234097 of 15:08, February 23, 2018, unless:
After waiting a decent interval for responses, I'll start to reapply changes (or not) as you wish. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 11:44, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
User:Andershus again. Johnbod ( talk) 16:02, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Andershus ( talk · contribs) has continued his one-man band addition of original research and automatic translation to this article, against consensus and ignoring all attempts to contact him here, and on his talk page, and at User talk:89.94.87.52.
Absent any objection, I am planning rollback to revision 907143849 of 20 July 2019 by Mandarax. This will remove approximately 122kb of content and 678 revisions by User:Andershus and 89.94.87.52 ( talk · contribs).
As we already have a consensus about Anderhus’s disruption on this article subsequent to the previous occurrence, as well as having left advice on his Talk page after the last rollback informing him what was likely to happen if he resumed the same behavior again, I don’t think a new consensus is required. That would be more disruption, if he can tie up multiple editors with a discussion every time he decides to take another run at it.
So this is more a courtesy notice to let any editors who wish to do so, to respond before the next rollback. If there is no objection from other editor, I’ll carry out the rollback after a few days, giving Andershus one last chance to justify his edits and interact with other editors here. Mathglot ( talk) 21:33, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
The following anons have no recent edits on articles other than Indian painting; most have [re-]appeared in the last couple of days:
These and any other IPs that appear on this article with a similar pattern of SPA edits should be monitored as well. Mathglot ( talk) 16:56, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
In view of this section above, and absent any response from Andershus here or on his User talk page, now about to carry out a rollback to revision 907143849 of 20 July 2019. This will remove 126,283 bytes of content, and over 800 revisions by Andershus, and a hundred or so by five IPs editing in the same pattern.
There are almost no other edits by other editors during this interval; those few that exist are about fixing up minor issues in the content added by Andershus, so these are moot after the rollback. I don't believe that there was even one edit in this interval that was applicable to the pre-July 20 version, but if there was, it will be inadvertently removed by this rollback. If such an edit exists and was yours, I will take responsibility for restoring your edit if you {{ ping}} me below and point me to it. You can, of course, restore your own edit yourself, if you'd rather. Mathglot ( talk) 17:37, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
After two occurrences of the same type of disruption by the same editor, followed by rollbacks in each case, my feeling going forward is that any future editing in the same pattern by Andershus ( talk · contribs) at this article followed by silence when attempting to contact him about his edit(s), can be considered disruptive editing. I'm of the opinion that any editor should feel free to revert or roll back any future edits of his (or by his IP posse), if your good-faith edits to contact him here are fruitless. There's no need to have another long discussion and waiting period like this one again; we've offered him all the good faith in the world, and gotten nothing for it.
If such reverts start to take up too much editor time, I'll look into going to WP:ANI, and requesting a WP:TBAN or WP:BLOCK. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 18:22, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
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