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Dating anomaly?
There's something strange going on with the chronology as described. It suggests the pub sign depicted Queen Victoria by the end of the eighteenth century, before her reign began. Should it say "end of the 19th century"? --
Clive Jones (
talk) 13:21, 13 September 2011 (UTC)reply
I agree it's unclear, but the actual text might not be mistaken. In my experience, pub signs are (and were) repainted considerably more frequently than changes in the actual pubs' names, so if the pub was called "The Indian Queens" from the late 18th century, the sign (if there was one then, and if it was portraiture rather than, say, a hanging bush or some other generic inn indicator) must have depicted two queens neither of whom were Victoria, and been repainted or replaced to include a portrait of her no earlier than 1837. Your suggestion that "18th century" is a mistake for 19th century seems to me more likely, but in the absence of a definitive source we can't assume this.
Clearly we need better sourcing to replace those "citation needed" tags. The details in the article must have come from somewhere, possibly the two books and one article listed under "Sources" but not actually cited. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195}
90.203.10.153 (
talk) 20:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Charles Henderson, the historian says the pub was known as the Indian Queen as early as 1780. Here’s a link to the reference from Google books
[1]Talskiddy (
talk) 07:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Early references
Providing some references and dates of the pub and village may help to clear up the history of the village name.
sale of goods in December 1805 at the Indian Queens – The Cornish Telegraph, 21 December, 1805, page 1
Falmouth and Exeter mails fare reduction. Exeter to Indian Queens cost £1 15s – the first time ″the″ is not before Indian Queens (could still refer to the pub) – Royal Cornwall Gazette, 19 May, 1848
coin found at Indian Queens (donated to the RIC museum – Royal Cornwall Gazette, 12 November 1858, page 6
report of a child choking ″at the Indian Queen's″ –
The Cornishman, 8 April 1880, page 5
"Krows Karworgicitation needed" was in the infobox, but "Myghternes Eyndek" is in the lead. What is the source of Krows Karworgi ?--
Johnsoniensis (
talk) 13:26, 30 April 2020 (UTC)reply
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policies laid down by Wikipedia - particularly
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Cornish entries can sometimes be a contentious topic, especially those concerning geography. You don't have to agree with everything but there is no excuse for rudeness and these things are best solved through consensus building and compromise. For more information see
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These pages are not platforms for political discussion. Issues relating to Cornish politics should be restricted to those pages that directly deal with these issues (such as
Constitutional status of Cornwall,
Cornish nationalism, etc) and should not overflow into other articles.
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Dating anomaly?
There's something strange going on with the chronology as described. It suggests the pub sign depicted Queen Victoria by the end of the eighteenth century, before her reign began. Should it say "end of the 19th century"? --
Clive Jones (
talk) 13:21, 13 September 2011 (UTC)reply
I agree it's unclear, but the actual text might not be mistaken. In my experience, pub signs are (and were) repainted considerably more frequently than changes in the actual pubs' names, so if the pub was called "The Indian Queens" from the late 18th century, the sign (if there was one then, and if it was portraiture rather than, say, a hanging bush or some other generic inn indicator) must have depicted two queens neither of whom were Victoria, and been repainted or replaced to include a portrait of her no earlier than 1837. Your suggestion that "18th century" is a mistake for 19th century seems to me more likely, but in the absence of a definitive source we can't assume this.
Clearly we need better sourcing to replace those "citation needed" tags. The details in the article must have come from somewhere, possibly the two books and one article listed under "Sources" but not actually cited. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195}
90.203.10.153 (
talk) 20:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Charles Henderson, the historian says the pub was known as the Indian Queen as early as 1780. Here’s a link to the reference from Google books
[1]Talskiddy (
talk) 07:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Early references
Providing some references and dates of the pub and village may help to clear up the history of the village name.
sale of goods in December 1805 at the Indian Queens – The Cornish Telegraph, 21 December, 1805, page 1
Falmouth and Exeter mails fare reduction. Exeter to Indian Queens cost £1 15s – the first time ″the″ is not before Indian Queens (could still refer to the pub) – Royal Cornwall Gazette, 19 May, 1848
coin found at Indian Queens (donated to the RIC museum – Royal Cornwall Gazette, 12 November 1858, page 6
report of a child choking ″at the Indian Queen's″ –
The Cornishman, 8 April 1880, page 5
"Krows Karworgicitation needed" was in the infobox, but "Myghternes Eyndek" is in the lead. What is the source of Krows Karworgi ?--
Johnsoniensis (
talk) 13:26, 30 April 2020 (UTC)reply