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Konrad, DeepakShenoy has added this section back into the article, although we had agreed it was a current event and deserved its own page. I obviously think this is not in keeping with Wiki's policies, and need your view as an independent mediator.-- Iipmalum 07:41, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to start 2 new sections: Recruiters, and a Photo Gallery. Comments?
-- 61.246.28.224 17:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Recruiters: Yes, please, but do provide verifiable information, as names of people recruited + company they were recruited in + year of recruitment. Photo Gallery: There are enough photos already. Please link to a web page containing more photos. Deepakshenoy 03:35, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm extremely disturbed by the mere presence of such a large controversy section in this article. And it is ridiculous to say IIPM is known bacuase of the 'controversy'. Mere (unproven) allegations mean nothing. Especially allegations by a tabloid (JAMMAG) and bloggers. Whats more, IIPM has been in existence 33 years. 5000 students are currently studying there. How can anyone justify saying the institute is defined by a set of unsubstantiated allegations that bloggers have made? What more, IIPM is India's largest print advertiser. Including TImes of India, Hindustan TImes and 3 - 4 others, thats 3 million english readers and at least double those vernacular readers who see IIPM's ads etc every day in the newspaper. COmpare that to the couple of hundred bloggers and casual surfers who are in the 'controversy'.
The institute has over 20000 alumni. 400 recruiters - India's largest corporates and FORTUNE 500 companies. President APJ Kalam supports the GIDF charity work. Honorary Dean is advisor to the planning commission. 'Unknown' is an adjective that is simply wrong. These allegations do not deserve to be put, so aggressively, and linked to 3 times, in inflamattory tone. They do not need to take up so much space. And they definitely need to be reworked for language on the controversy page.
I'll do it myself, with Konrad's oversight, if you dont review and act, Deepak. Its extremely un-Wiki like to have this sort of an article. And Wiki' policies are what is most important - not personal views. -- Iipmalum 17:40, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
PeaSea 08:00, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Based on IIPMAlum's argument, IIPM is clearly not known by the controversy. So i've taken out the link from the top of the page. People can scroll down. The controversy does not define the intitute. I've removed the line on Arindam Chaudhuri being MK Chaudhuri's son - how is that relevant to an IIPM article? Especially when Arindam is just an honorary dean and writes books and gives seminars - he's never in IIPM offices, definitely not performing duties that merit a mention in the intro paragraph.
i'm editing the controversy section, and would request other editors to provide feedback on the edits on this page. I will actively come online to re-edit based on feedback. I dont want to start a revert war, and request others to work with me to make this section better. Konrad, dispute resolution is happening right now - if this doesnt work we'll have to go to arbitration, i guess.
PeaSea, thanks, I hope your wishes come true and IIPM hires me to work with them, to take the IIPM philosophy of building great entrepreneurs to London and NY.
GaneshK, I hope to bring NPOV to the controversy section.
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Iipmstudent9
09:32, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Overhauled. Removed all uncited material. Rephrased cited material objectively. Characterised JAMMAG as tabloid. Mentioned that IIPM has sued JAMMAG for libel. Will wait for coments and keep implementing changes based on them.-- Iipmstudent9 09:48, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Deepak, thanks for admitting the son-father relationship is not of relevance. In return I will remove the consistent characterization of JAMMAG as a tabloid, although I have provided significant evidence stating why I think it is one. BusinessWorld has not talked to any companies. JAMMAG talked to 2. IIPM lawyer stuff was gossip from cmapus, I agree it doesnt belong on WIki. IMI belgium edit - help me to makeit fair. Outlook, check on my new edit - it is based on your earlier one, albeit phrased for NPOV. -- Iipmstudent9 10:51, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
removed outlook, its not even part of the controversy, and belongs firmly in rankings.-- Iipmstudent9 11:07, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
As per http://thalassamikra.blogspot.com/2005/10/information-pertaining-to-iipm.html IIPM's degrees are not recognized anywhere, either in India or Belgium. Unless IIPM can provide any evidence of any place where the degrees they award are recognized, the statement about unrecognized degrees must stay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Inventingfacts ( talk • contribs)
Pasted from Business Standard Article:
Full Text (246 words) (Copyright 2005. Financial Times Information Limited - Asia AfricaIntelligence Wire. All Material Subject to Copyright.) from BUSINESS LINE, October 05, 2005 New Delhi, Oct. 4 - AFTER authoring 'Count Your Chickens Before They Hatch' and co-authoring 'The Great Indian Dream', Prof. Arindam Chaudhuri says, "My next book will not be for mass readership." Dean, Centre for Economic Research and Advanced Studies, Indian Institute of Planning and Management (IIPM), Prof Chaudhuri said that his next book will talk about business strategies and it will be for business leaders and chief executive officers. He further said that the book would offer solutions to companies that sit on piles of money and do not know what to do with their money. One such solution could be, says Prof Chaudhuri, to invest that money in initiatives, like non- governmental organisations, that would give back the investment if not multiply it
Prof Chaudhuri also plans to set up business management institutions in New York and London, with a total investment of Rs 100 crore, funded through internal accruals. The International Management Institute will lend its name to both these institutes, he says. The college in London will start its admission procedure by January next year, while the New York college will open in June next year
The colleges will offer bachelors and masters degree exclusively in business management. Explaining why students will enrol themselves in these colleges, Prof Chaudhuri says, "We are hopeful that we will sail through because of our course content, as we have done in the country." Deepak Goel Copyright 2005 Business Line
I'm citing from this article n Business Standard.--
Iipmstudent9
10:13, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
---- Next comment by DeepakShenoy --->
This has been moved to the "Faculty" section. There is no evidence that IIPM will set up NY and London branches, only that Arindam Chaudhari will.
Prof Chaudhuri also plans to set up business management institutions in New York and London, with a total investment of Rs 100 crore, funded through internal accruals.
I therefore believe that it's not confirmed that such an institution will involve IIPM - in fact, it may just be that the institution may be funded by Chaudhari and not IIPM. Either ways, it will have to attributed to a Chaudhari initiative, not IIPM. Deepakshenoy 09:22, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Noted today that you, IIPMStudent9, have tried to move this back to the main section. This is not yet confirmed to be a plan for IIPM, only an Arindam Chaudhari plan. It has since been reverted, but if you have any clarificitions or sources please mention it here. Deepakshenoy 09:55, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | ← | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | → | Archive 10 |
Konrad, DeepakShenoy has added this section back into the article, although we had agreed it was a current event and deserved its own page. I obviously think this is not in keeping with Wiki's policies, and need your view as an independent mediator.-- Iipmalum 07:41, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to start 2 new sections: Recruiters, and a Photo Gallery. Comments?
-- 61.246.28.224 17:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Recruiters: Yes, please, but do provide verifiable information, as names of people recruited + company they were recruited in + year of recruitment. Photo Gallery: There are enough photos already. Please link to a web page containing more photos. Deepakshenoy 03:35, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm extremely disturbed by the mere presence of such a large controversy section in this article. And it is ridiculous to say IIPM is known bacuase of the 'controversy'. Mere (unproven) allegations mean nothing. Especially allegations by a tabloid (JAMMAG) and bloggers. Whats more, IIPM has been in existence 33 years. 5000 students are currently studying there. How can anyone justify saying the institute is defined by a set of unsubstantiated allegations that bloggers have made? What more, IIPM is India's largest print advertiser. Including TImes of India, Hindustan TImes and 3 - 4 others, thats 3 million english readers and at least double those vernacular readers who see IIPM's ads etc every day in the newspaper. COmpare that to the couple of hundred bloggers and casual surfers who are in the 'controversy'.
The institute has over 20000 alumni. 400 recruiters - India's largest corporates and FORTUNE 500 companies. President APJ Kalam supports the GIDF charity work. Honorary Dean is advisor to the planning commission. 'Unknown' is an adjective that is simply wrong. These allegations do not deserve to be put, so aggressively, and linked to 3 times, in inflamattory tone. They do not need to take up so much space. And they definitely need to be reworked for language on the controversy page.
I'll do it myself, with Konrad's oversight, if you dont review and act, Deepak. Its extremely un-Wiki like to have this sort of an article. And Wiki' policies are what is most important - not personal views. -- Iipmalum 17:40, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
PeaSea 08:00, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Based on IIPMAlum's argument, IIPM is clearly not known by the controversy. So i've taken out the link from the top of the page. People can scroll down. The controversy does not define the intitute. I've removed the line on Arindam Chaudhuri being MK Chaudhuri's son - how is that relevant to an IIPM article? Especially when Arindam is just an honorary dean and writes books and gives seminars - he's never in IIPM offices, definitely not performing duties that merit a mention in the intro paragraph.
i'm editing the controversy section, and would request other editors to provide feedback on the edits on this page. I will actively come online to re-edit based on feedback. I dont want to start a revert war, and request others to work with me to make this section better. Konrad, dispute resolution is happening right now - if this doesnt work we'll have to go to arbitration, i guess.
PeaSea, thanks, I hope your wishes come true and IIPM hires me to work with them, to take the IIPM philosophy of building great entrepreneurs to London and NY.
GaneshK, I hope to bring NPOV to the controversy section.
--
Iipmstudent9
09:32, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Overhauled. Removed all uncited material. Rephrased cited material objectively. Characterised JAMMAG as tabloid. Mentioned that IIPM has sued JAMMAG for libel. Will wait for coments and keep implementing changes based on them.-- Iipmstudent9 09:48, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Deepak, thanks for admitting the son-father relationship is not of relevance. In return I will remove the consistent characterization of JAMMAG as a tabloid, although I have provided significant evidence stating why I think it is one. BusinessWorld has not talked to any companies. JAMMAG talked to 2. IIPM lawyer stuff was gossip from cmapus, I agree it doesnt belong on WIki. IMI belgium edit - help me to makeit fair. Outlook, check on my new edit - it is based on your earlier one, albeit phrased for NPOV. -- Iipmstudent9 10:51, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
removed outlook, its not even part of the controversy, and belongs firmly in rankings.-- Iipmstudent9 11:07, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
As per http://thalassamikra.blogspot.com/2005/10/information-pertaining-to-iipm.html IIPM's degrees are not recognized anywhere, either in India or Belgium. Unless IIPM can provide any evidence of any place where the degrees they award are recognized, the statement about unrecognized degrees must stay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Inventingfacts ( talk • contribs)
Pasted from Business Standard Article:
Full Text (246 words) (Copyright 2005. Financial Times Information Limited - Asia AfricaIntelligence Wire. All Material Subject to Copyright.) from BUSINESS LINE, October 05, 2005 New Delhi, Oct. 4 - AFTER authoring 'Count Your Chickens Before They Hatch' and co-authoring 'The Great Indian Dream', Prof. Arindam Chaudhuri says, "My next book will not be for mass readership." Dean, Centre for Economic Research and Advanced Studies, Indian Institute of Planning and Management (IIPM), Prof Chaudhuri said that his next book will talk about business strategies and it will be for business leaders and chief executive officers. He further said that the book would offer solutions to companies that sit on piles of money and do not know what to do with their money. One such solution could be, says Prof Chaudhuri, to invest that money in initiatives, like non- governmental organisations, that would give back the investment if not multiply it
Prof Chaudhuri also plans to set up business management institutions in New York and London, with a total investment of Rs 100 crore, funded through internal accruals. The International Management Institute will lend its name to both these institutes, he says. The college in London will start its admission procedure by January next year, while the New York college will open in June next year
The colleges will offer bachelors and masters degree exclusively in business management. Explaining why students will enrol themselves in these colleges, Prof Chaudhuri says, "We are hopeful that we will sail through because of our course content, as we have done in the country." Deepak Goel Copyright 2005 Business Line
I'm citing from this article n Business Standard.--
Iipmstudent9
10:13, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
---- Next comment by DeepakShenoy --->
This has been moved to the "Faculty" section. There is no evidence that IIPM will set up NY and London branches, only that Arindam Chaudhari will.
Prof Chaudhuri also plans to set up business management institutions in New York and London, with a total investment of Rs 100 crore, funded through internal accruals.
I therefore believe that it's not confirmed that such an institution will involve IIPM - in fact, it may just be that the institution may be funded by Chaudhari and not IIPM. Either ways, it will have to attributed to a Chaudhari initiative, not IIPM. Deepakshenoy 09:22, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Noted today that you, IIPMStudent9, have tried to move this back to the main section. This is not yet confirmed to be a plan for IIPM, only an Arindam Chaudhari plan. It has since been reverted, but if you have any clarificitions or sources please mention it here. Deepakshenoy 09:55, 13 December 2005 (UTC)