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Opinions on current affairs is a particular case of the previous item. Although current affairs may stir passions and tempt people to "climb soapboxes" (i.e. passionately advocate their pet point of view), Wikipedia is not the medium for this. Articles must be balanced so as to put entries for current affairs in a reasonable perspective. Furthermore, Wikipedia authors should strive to write articles that will not quickly become obsolete.
I quoted the above line because I notice that sometime rules are just made up by Makrand in these discussions. I belive that the controversy secction is just far too long! The USA today bbit is a joke - it seems to be some error which was picked up by USA toiday (which in any case is a tabloid),,,...
Anywaym so my point is lets get rid of it...
Iipmalum 11:26, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
USA Today is a national American newspaper published by the Gannett Corporation. It was founded by Allen 'Al' Neuharth. The paper has the widest circulation of any newspaper in the United States (averaging over 2.25 million copies every weekday)...
My lawyers have advised me that under the Indian IT act, MakrandJoshi has been harassing me,. By revealing my identity, and continously harassing em online, it constitutes stalking. I will take it up this week with the Mumbai police authorities. Iipmstudent9 11:40, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Makrand,
I haven't included your HT citation, since we're still in a grey area about offline citations. To be fair, I have also commented out the Business Barons citation in the rankings category. Could you scan the HT page, upload it to Wikimedia Commons, and then link to it? That would provide a non-disputable citation.
About the other stuff you had removed, it's back with the {{ Fact}} tag and {{primarysources}} template. That stuff is not totally orphaned, it is claimed by IIPM, so I thought we could keep it with the given tags as caveats. I have suitably modified the language to mention that these are claims of the institute.
Also, I have commented this line in the opening para: Since 2005, IIPM has been involved in controversies regarding its name, accreditation, advertising, and plagiarism. Although this states something that follows in the article, it sounds harsh and POV-ish when written that way. Plus, it may be prudent to not include such an explicit line in the opening para, given how some feathers can get mightily ruffled while editing this article. It's probably better to let the reader read through the article and gather the facts.
Alam/IIPMStudent9/IIPMAlum/Mrinal Pandey/Anyone else from IIPM,
Please do not revert mercilessly. Provide a rational explanation for your edits. Just chanting "POV, POV" all the time is really not going to help. You can find reliable, third-party sources to counterbalance the allegedly unpleasant facts that are mentioned in the article, and that would be okay. For instance, please find a reliable, secondary source that says UGC or AICTE have no jurisdiction over IIPM and you can put that in. Heck, I'll put it in before you, if I find it. But please, till then, refrain from whitewashing some lines/paragraphs (which have valid sources to back them up) just because it does not suit you. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh.
It seems the earlier talk page was pushed into the archives (it's here, if you want to look at it), and none of you have answered any of the points I had raised on that page. What is the point in editing if you don't want to debate the changes and only steamroll ahead with your reverts to cover up a few incidents that are not favourable to you?
As I mentioned to Makrand above, I have not included his HT citation because it is offline. To be fair, I have commented out the paragraph about Business Barons ranking, since it used an offline citation as well. If you want to include the Barons citation, you may want to include Makrand's offline HT citation as well.
Oh, I had spent some time in arranging the pictures in a gallery and making formatting changes to reduce clutter, so please retain those changes if you decide to revert.
Thanks, Max - You were saying? 18:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Max, Why are you putting in the adjective unaccredited repeatedly? It is not acceptable at all. I think it has been explained before that in the Western world, unaccredited implies a degree mill or otherwise disreputable institute. IIPM has been in existence 33 years, has more students than the other Top 10 institutes combined, and therefore using the word unaccredited is harsh and negative.
I believe Dipali clearly said she wanted to use the positive line like IIPM does not seek recognition or accreditation. Please understand this.
Similarly, the unnecessary argument and confusion saying it does not offer MBA or BBA degrees has no place in the introductory paragraph. A business school does not HAVE TO offer those degrees. So that line only throws dirt on IIPM for no reason.
I have fixed those problems, so now in the spirit of Wikipedia I ask that you discuss this out before reverting.
AlamSrinivas 19:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
please look at news reports and www.arindamchaudhuri.com. His claim to fame is that he founded Planman Consulting and wrote a bestseller book. So please cite that awful-sounding phrase about father-son in the introduction. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AlamSrinivas ( talk • contribs) 19:22, 11 February 2007 (UTC).
Max, as you have seen, AlamSrinivas vandalised my userpage. He first left what was clearly a threat saying - 'Makrand ji, aapko dar nahi lagta hain? Ye IIPM log aapko maarenge.'(Makrand, aren't you scared? IIPM people will beat you up/kill you). Then he left a single word "vandal". At worst this is a threat which I am myself thinking of now taking to the police in my city to bring an arrest warrant against Alam Srinivas. This is a case of intimidation from Alam and my contemplating police action is not a "legal threat". Secondly, I believe this is an action which warrants a ban on AlamSrinivas for vandalising my page. I am registering a complaint against him with the editors. Makrandjoshi 04:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Threat_of_Violence_and_Vandalising_my_userpage Alam has been indefinitely blocked for issuing threats to me. iipmstudent9, you would be well advised to be careful about the legal threats you issue. Makrandjoshi 13:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
All these legal threats seem out of place - this is just a webpage. If passions are getting so inflamed and violence seems likely, perhaps you should all back off for some time. IIPMstudent9, which batch are you? Chill, and please dont do anything drastic with the police. I'm sure Makrand is well-intentioned. Max, thanks for the assist in this matter - you seem to be the most level-headed person here.
I've removed the 2 contentious lines from the intro, and hope we can leave them out for the time being until everyone agrees to put them back in a acceptable form.
Iipmalum 19:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/774961.cms Max, please look at this article available online. I would like to cite both these lines from the article and include them in our Wiki. Please approve.
Iipmalum 19:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi there, can I add these points from this article also please? http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/938886.cms
B-schools like FORE School, IIFT, MDI, International Management Institute, JIMS, ICFAI, and DU colleges like Jesus and Mary College, Shaheed Bhagat Singh College, Kamla Nehru College, Gargi College, Lady Shriram College flocked together either as participants or as spectators. The evening of day one had a special 'Jam' session followed by the much-awaited personality competition, Mr and Ms Amaze. What was to follow was a scintillating display of beauty, creativity, talent and persona.
On the second and final day, it was the turn of the fun events like, Ad-Zap, Collage, Face Painting, Antakshari and Corporate Quiz. Bhagat Singh College walked away with the prized choreography event, while IIFT bagged the corporate quiz and MDI the debate competition.
India's biggest rock group Euphoria was present to take an exuberant and packed crowd to euphoric height
Also, how about these points?
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/129574.cms
Both Max and Makrand are cheats - you are adding material only selectively from these newspaper articles and being biased!! Its so obvious you guys are anti-IIPM. Pathetic! You cant even do a good job of covering up your work. Just admit you are working on behalf of the IIM'S! :)
We all think its funny! :) :) You dont need to pretend to be real editors. Take a hike!
Iipmstudent9 21:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
PS - Makrand - the FIR has been filed, you'll be called in for questioning tomorrow. Iipmstudent9 21:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Max and Joshi, I dont know how to do the links in internet Wikipedia, so I have added the lines from the articles. Please dont do original research. IIPm9 is right - both of you seem to have anti-IIPM bias, whoich is not correct and is shameful. Please dont spoil the name of the institute for your ow nvendetta sake - prove your editorship with Wikipedia by having a fair POV.
Iipmalum 21:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
It is disgusting to see the level to which IIPM employees are stooping. I don't even need to mention the violent death threats by AlamSrinivas. They are on my talk page for everyone to see.
As for iipmstudent9's legal threat, it is purely laughable. I visited her talkpage, found someone left a message for her with that name. The message was mroe than a year old. If she really was interested in keeping her name secret, she would have deleted that year old message from her talkpage which revealed her identity. But she didn't. So I assumed calling her that is kosher. It is easier to type than iipmstudent9. But these charges of revealing your identity are preposterous. The person who seems to have revealed it is some friend of your's called User:Ponytailsnipper on your own talk page more than a year back. I hope we are clear that i did not reveal your identity. But let assume I had. Even then, what you are saying rings as pure nonsense. You might not know this but I know the IT Act 200 like the back of my hand. It has no clause for revealing someone's identity. If you had made this threat 2 years back, it would have been treated as credible. But everyone has read about your empty legal threats to Gaurav Sabnis. What happened? he kept his blog as it is. Your lawsuit never came.
You people think that legal threats and physical threats will cow everyone down. Shameful. Makrandjoshi 02:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
iipmstudent9 and Alam's new avataar AlamSrini1 have been blocked by the admins because of legal and physical threats respectively. I am sure they will be back using sock-puppets, a case I have made to the admins and requested for a total edit-block on this page. Makrandjoshi 02:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
IIPMStudent9,
I told you to be careful about your threats, but you just didn't listen. Moreover, you stooped to namecalling.
You accuse us of "working" for the IIMs(!). You know what? You're absolutely right. You caught us red-handed. The IIMs have nothing better to do. They have an army of people working in their basements writing blogs, printing magazines and editing Wikipedia with the sole purpose of maligning IIPM because of their " inferiority complex". Yes that's it. You should take the IIMs to court. Wait! I'm giving you advice about legal action?! Terribly sorry, chum. :-)
To quote Jack Nicholson's character from As Good As It Gets, "Go sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here."
Way to go. Enjoy your permablock. You will probably be back (with more of your pals? How fun!), but Wikipedia will be ready for you.
Max - You were saying? 11:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I guess Max's argument was that accreditation is very important to this institute's Wiki - given that, I guess you would have to agree that placements are also very important. Therfore I have added the cited line from The hindu article to the intro. nice? Iipmalum 08:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Added 300 companies from same article in the hindu —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iipmalum ( talk • contribs) 08:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC).
i have a majhor problem with the way you have quoted the Times of india article. The artilcle states as a matter of fact that the IIPM does not fall under the purview of AICTE UGC etc. So why are you quoting it as 'The institute assdeerts'? very wrong?
Iipmalum 08:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
This line is pure fiction. we have a responsibility as Wiki editors. None of the IIM's, which are the incumbent premier b-schools, offer degrees. neither does XLRI. And neither does IIPM. Therefore, it is very clear in the taught programs section that IMI offers the degrees. Let it remain that way. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iipmalum ( talk • contribs) 08:36, 16 February 2007 (UTC).
I see that there has been repeated reverting with respect to IIPM offering MBA & BBA programs. This seems very strange to me. both this http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/mp/2002/04/29/stories/2002042900500200.htm article and earlier Times of india one clearly say IIPM offers MBA and BBA courses. now, Wikipedia is not a majority rules. Wikipedia also says no original research. Since IIPM's courses lead to degrees from IMI, and that is clearly mentioned, why are you breaking Wiki rules and not including this perfectly valid and cited information? Iipmalum 08:41, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
i am adding material cited from here http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/thscrip/print.pl?file=2007010800340200.htm&date=2007/01/08/&prd=edu&. please let me know if it is OK?
Thanks Iipmalum 08:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
IIPM sponsors all student to destinations in europe etc... I am adding this section into the Wiki, as it is an important part of the IIPM MBA programme. Iipmalum 08:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Max, thanks for pointing out my sneaky move there. U got me red handed!
So, I disagree with the need for the unaccredited in the first line
alos, when citing form a course, dont u have to retain the langauge and meaning used in the source. So flowery is a POV sttement?
10:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)~
it seems faculty info is not cited... so does that mean I can add a lot of info from the iipm prospectus?
~Theres great stuff on palcements and ghlobal tours etc Iipmalum 10:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello people,
This should've come to me sooner, but better late than never. The paragraph about UGC and AICTE has apparently touched some raw nerves, so let's decide to follow a principle that may be a way out of endless revert wars - attribute contentious statements to their sources.
I've changed this para so that the wording clearly attributes the disputed assertions to their sources. This may have made it a bit long and clumsy to read, but maybe that's okay given the high tempers surrounding the same.
Please let me know the possible objections that anyone has to this scheme.
IIPMAlum,
I've asked this before off the record, but the talk page was swept into the archives. I ask again - if IIPM itself doesn't care about accreditation and recognition (it says so itself), why do you care so much?
Max - You were saying? 17:52, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
please dont delete validly cited material such as the global outreach program and the new cited material from Times of india and hindu. 203.76.140.130 07:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | Archive 13 | → | Archive 15 |
Please note that all new discussion should be added at the bottom of the page. Recent discussions will be at the bottom of this page, please respond in the appropriate sections.
Opinions on current affairs is a particular case of the previous item. Although current affairs may stir passions and tempt people to "climb soapboxes" (i.e. passionately advocate their pet point of view), Wikipedia is not the medium for this. Articles must be balanced so as to put entries for current affairs in a reasonable perspective. Furthermore, Wikipedia authors should strive to write articles that will not quickly become obsolete.
I quoted the above line because I notice that sometime rules are just made up by Makrand in these discussions. I belive that the controversy secction is just far too long! The USA today bbit is a joke - it seems to be some error which was picked up by USA toiday (which in any case is a tabloid),,,...
Anywaym so my point is lets get rid of it...
Iipmalum 11:26, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
USA Today is a national American newspaper published by the Gannett Corporation. It was founded by Allen 'Al' Neuharth. The paper has the widest circulation of any newspaper in the United States (averaging over 2.25 million copies every weekday)...
My lawyers have advised me that under the Indian IT act, MakrandJoshi has been harassing me,. By revealing my identity, and continously harassing em online, it constitutes stalking. I will take it up this week with the Mumbai police authorities. Iipmstudent9 11:40, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Makrand,
I haven't included your HT citation, since we're still in a grey area about offline citations. To be fair, I have also commented out the Business Barons citation in the rankings category. Could you scan the HT page, upload it to Wikimedia Commons, and then link to it? That would provide a non-disputable citation.
About the other stuff you had removed, it's back with the {{ Fact}} tag and {{primarysources}} template. That stuff is not totally orphaned, it is claimed by IIPM, so I thought we could keep it with the given tags as caveats. I have suitably modified the language to mention that these are claims of the institute.
Also, I have commented this line in the opening para: Since 2005, IIPM has been involved in controversies regarding its name, accreditation, advertising, and plagiarism. Although this states something that follows in the article, it sounds harsh and POV-ish when written that way. Plus, it may be prudent to not include such an explicit line in the opening para, given how some feathers can get mightily ruffled while editing this article. It's probably better to let the reader read through the article and gather the facts.
Alam/IIPMStudent9/IIPMAlum/Mrinal Pandey/Anyone else from IIPM,
Please do not revert mercilessly. Provide a rational explanation for your edits. Just chanting "POV, POV" all the time is really not going to help. You can find reliable, third-party sources to counterbalance the allegedly unpleasant facts that are mentioned in the article, and that would be okay. For instance, please find a reliable, secondary source that says UGC or AICTE have no jurisdiction over IIPM and you can put that in. Heck, I'll put it in before you, if I find it. But please, till then, refrain from whitewashing some lines/paragraphs (which have valid sources to back them up) just because it does not suit you. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh.
It seems the earlier talk page was pushed into the archives (it's here, if you want to look at it), and none of you have answered any of the points I had raised on that page. What is the point in editing if you don't want to debate the changes and only steamroll ahead with your reverts to cover up a few incidents that are not favourable to you?
As I mentioned to Makrand above, I have not included his HT citation because it is offline. To be fair, I have commented out the paragraph about Business Barons ranking, since it used an offline citation as well. If you want to include the Barons citation, you may want to include Makrand's offline HT citation as well.
Oh, I had spent some time in arranging the pictures in a gallery and making formatting changes to reduce clutter, so please retain those changes if you decide to revert.
Thanks, Max - You were saying? 18:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Max, Why are you putting in the adjective unaccredited repeatedly? It is not acceptable at all. I think it has been explained before that in the Western world, unaccredited implies a degree mill or otherwise disreputable institute. IIPM has been in existence 33 years, has more students than the other Top 10 institutes combined, and therefore using the word unaccredited is harsh and negative.
I believe Dipali clearly said she wanted to use the positive line like IIPM does not seek recognition or accreditation. Please understand this.
Similarly, the unnecessary argument and confusion saying it does not offer MBA or BBA degrees has no place in the introductory paragraph. A business school does not HAVE TO offer those degrees. So that line only throws dirt on IIPM for no reason.
I have fixed those problems, so now in the spirit of Wikipedia I ask that you discuss this out before reverting.
AlamSrinivas 19:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
please look at news reports and www.arindamchaudhuri.com. His claim to fame is that he founded Planman Consulting and wrote a bestseller book. So please cite that awful-sounding phrase about father-son in the introduction. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AlamSrinivas ( talk • contribs) 19:22, 11 February 2007 (UTC).
Max, as you have seen, AlamSrinivas vandalised my userpage. He first left what was clearly a threat saying - 'Makrand ji, aapko dar nahi lagta hain? Ye IIPM log aapko maarenge.'(Makrand, aren't you scared? IIPM people will beat you up/kill you). Then he left a single word "vandal". At worst this is a threat which I am myself thinking of now taking to the police in my city to bring an arrest warrant against Alam Srinivas. This is a case of intimidation from Alam and my contemplating police action is not a "legal threat". Secondly, I believe this is an action which warrants a ban on AlamSrinivas for vandalising my page. I am registering a complaint against him with the editors. Makrandjoshi 04:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Threat_of_Violence_and_Vandalising_my_userpage Alam has been indefinitely blocked for issuing threats to me. iipmstudent9, you would be well advised to be careful about the legal threats you issue. Makrandjoshi 13:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
All these legal threats seem out of place - this is just a webpage. If passions are getting so inflamed and violence seems likely, perhaps you should all back off for some time. IIPMstudent9, which batch are you? Chill, and please dont do anything drastic with the police. I'm sure Makrand is well-intentioned. Max, thanks for the assist in this matter - you seem to be the most level-headed person here.
I've removed the 2 contentious lines from the intro, and hope we can leave them out for the time being until everyone agrees to put them back in a acceptable form.
Iipmalum 19:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/774961.cms Max, please look at this article available online. I would like to cite both these lines from the article and include them in our Wiki. Please approve.
Iipmalum 19:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi there, can I add these points from this article also please? http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/938886.cms
B-schools like FORE School, IIFT, MDI, International Management Institute, JIMS, ICFAI, and DU colleges like Jesus and Mary College, Shaheed Bhagat Singh College, Kamla Nehru College, Gargi College, Lady Shriram College flocked together either as participants or as spectators. The evening of day one had a special 'Jam' session followed by the much-awaited personality competition, Mr and Ms Amaze. What was to follow was a scintillating display of beauty, creativity, talent and persona.
On the second and final day, it was the turn of the fun events like, Ad-Zap, Collage, Face Painting, Antakshari and Corporate Quiz. Bhagat Singh College walked away with the prized choreography event, while IIFT bagged the corporate quiz and MDI the debate competition.
India's biggest rock group Euphoria was present to take an exuberant and packed crowd to euphoric height
Also, how about these points?
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/129574.cms
Both Max and Makrand are cheats - you are adding material only selectively from these newspaper articles and being biased!! Its so obvious you guys are anti-IIPM. Pathetic! You cant even do a good job of covering up your work. Just admit you are working on behalf of the IIM'S! :)
We all think its funny! :) :) You dont need to pretend to be real editors. Take a hike!
Iipmstudent9 21:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
PS - Makrand - the FIR has been filed, you'll be called in for questioning tomorrow. Iipmstudent9 21:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Max and Joshi, I dont know how to do the links in internet Wikipedia, so I have added the lines from the articles. Please dont do original research. IIPm9 is right - both of you seem to have anti-IIPM bias, whoich is not correct and is shameful. Please dont spoil the name of the institute for your ow nvendetta sake - prove your editorship with Wikipedia by having a fair POV.
Iipmalum 21:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
It is disgusting to see the level to which IIPM employees are stooping. I don't even need to mention the violent death threats by AlamSrinivas. They are on my talk page for everyone to see.
As for iipmstudent9's legal threat, it is purely laughable. I visited her talkpage, found someone left a message for her with that name. The message was mroe than a year old. If she really was interested in keeping her name secret, she would have deleted that year old message from her talkpage which revealed her identity. But she didn't. So I assumed calling her that is kosher. It is easier to type than iipmstudent9. But these charges of revealing your identity are preposterous. The person who seems to have revealed it is some friend of your's called User:Ponytailsnipper on your own talk page more than a year back. I hope we are clear that i did not reveal your identity. But let assume I had. Even then, what you are saying rings as pure nonsense. You might not know this but I know the IT Act 200 like the back of my hand. It has no clause for revealing someone's identity. If you had made this threat 2 years back, it would have been treated as credible. But everyone has read about your empty legal threats to Gaurav Sabnis. What happened? he kept his blog as it is. Your lawsuit never came.
You people think that legal threats and physical threats will cow everyone down. Shameful. Makrandjoshi 02:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
iipmstudent9 and Alam's new avataar AlamSrini1 have been blocked by the admins because of legal and physical threats respectively. I am sure they will be back using sock-puppets, a case I have made to the admins and requested for a total edit-block on this page. Makrandjoshi 02:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
IIPMStudent9,
I told you to be careful about your threats, but you just didn't listen. Moreover, you stooped to namecalling.
You accuse us of "working" for the IIMs(!). You know what? You're absolutely right. You caught us red-handed. The IIMs have nothing better to do. They have an army of people working in their basements writing blogs, printing magazines and editing Wikipedia with the sole purpose of maligning IIPM because of their " inferiority complex". Yes that's it. You should take the IIMs to court. Wait! I'm giving you advice about legal action?! Terribly sorry, chum. :-)
To quote Jack Nicholson's character from As Good As It Gets, "Go sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here."
Way to go. Enjoy your permablock. You will probably be back (with more of your pals? How fun!), but Wikipedia will be ready for you.
Max - You were saying? 11:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I guess Max's argument was that accreditation is very important to this institute's Wiki - given that, I guess you would have to agree that placements are also very important. Therfore I have added the cited line from The hindu article to the intro. nice? Iipmalum 08:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Added 300 companies from same article in the hindu —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iipmalum ( talk • contribs) 08:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC).
i have a majhor problem with the way you have quoted the Times of india article. The artilcle states as a matter of fact that the IIPM does not fall under the purview of AICTE UGC etc. So why are you quoting it as 'The institute assdeerts'? very wrong?
Iipmalum 08:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
This line is pure fiction. we have a responsibility as Wiki editors. None of the IIM's, which are the incumbent premier b-schools, offer degrees. neither does XLRI. And neither does IIPM. Therefore, it is very clear in the taught programs section that IMI offers the degrees. Let it remain that way. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iipmalum ( talk • contribs) 08:36, 16 February 2007 (UTC).
I see that there has been repeated reverting with respect to IIPM offering MBA & BBA programs. This seems very strange to me. both this http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/mp/2002/04/29/stories/2002042900500200.htm article and earlier Times of india one clearly say IIPM offers MBA and BBA courses. now, Wikipedia is not a majority rules. Wikipedia also says no original research. Since IIPM's courses lead to degrees from IMI, and that is clearly mentioned, why are you breaking Wiki rules and not including this perfectly valid and cited information? Iipmalum 08:41, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
i am adding material cited from here http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/thscrip/print.pl?file=2007010800340200.htm&date=2007/01/08/&prd=edu&. please let me know if it is OK?
Thanks Iipmalum 08:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
IIPM sponsors all student to destinations in europe etc... I am adding this section into the Wiki, as it is an important part of the IIPM MBA programme. Iipmalum 08:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Max, thanks for pointing out my sneaky move there. U got me red handed!
So, I disagree with the need for the unaccredited in the first line
alos, when citing form a course, dont u have to retain the langauge and meaning used in the source. So flowery is a POV sttement?
10:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)~
it seems faculty info is not cited... so does that mean I can add a lot of info from the iipm prospectus?
~Theres great stuff on palcements and ghlobal tours etc Iipmalum 10:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello people,
This should've come to me sooner, but better late than never. The paragraph about UGC and AICTE has apparently touched some raw nerves, so let's decide to follow a principle that may be a way out of endless revert wars - attribute contentious statements to their sources.
I've changed this para so that the wording clearly attributes the disputed assertions to their sources. This may have made it a bit long and clumsy to read, but maybe that's okay given the high tempers surrounding the same.
Please let me know the possible objections that anyone has to this scheme.
IIPMAlum,
I've asked this before off the record, but the talk page was swept into the archives. I ask again - if IIPM itself doesn't care about accreditation and recognition (it says so itself), why do you care so much?
Max - You were saying? 17:52, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
please dont delete validly cited material such as the global outreach program and the new cited material from Times of india and hindu. 203.76.140.130 07:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC)