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Looks like that the article has been the centre of heated arguments and revert wars since the past one month. What I plan now is to divert those creative energies in actually improving the article.
First, it is important to understand what controversy really means. Something can be said to be controversial only if there are two contradicting viewpoints. If a magazine says something that IIPM denies, it is controversy. But if there is a fact that is accepted by everybody (like IIPM not being accredited by AICTE), then it should be included in article text under "education", and not controversy. The controversy section needs a lot of structuring as it is just a random collection of facts. The information present should be organised so that it is easy to understand.
Controversies apart, there are a lot more avenues in which the article can be improved. They are as follows:
If these improvements are introduced in the article with proper citations, it would be great for the article as most of these are non-controversial. Apart from these things, a lot of cleanup is required. Institute's vision are mostly flowery and don't contribute much to the article. It is best to discuss what the institute does, and not what it thinks it intends to do. I will be removing it. Names of deans, faculty also don't contribute to the article unless they are well-known academics themselves.
While these improvements can go on, I will think of ways to deal with the controversy section with special care of NPOV. — Ambuj Saxena ( ☎) 09:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to confirm...Isn't it true that IIPM used to offer MBA and BBA degrees, but withdrew them when UGC raised objection. — Ambuj Saxena ( ☎) 17:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Dear Ambuj, just wanted to clarify, I notice you've put many details on each one of the paragraphs. I'll add on to your paragraphs in the coming weeks. But I'll also add a few more paragraphs. For example, I wish to add paragraphs that are mentioned in other b-school sites (like visits etc); apart from also adding something on GOTA, which is the Global Opportunities and Threats Analysis programme which is a separate project of IIPM. Do tell me your views on that. Regards, Mrinal Mrinal Pandey 13:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Dear Ganesh, I'm sorry I took so long in replying. Post Christmas, got totally busy in official work :-) But even now, don't have that much time to put in edit efforts. Just to refresh the issue context, though I notice you are not editing on this page (and I do appreciate that), I also again request you to kindly not edit this project till you are an administrator. Best regards always, Thanks, Mrinal Mrinal Pandey 13:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Ambuj, I propose adding two more ranking details. One is the Outlook ranking of 2002, and another is the Business Barons ranking of 2003. Will wait for your inputs before adding them on the ranking site. Thanks Mrinal Mrinal Pandey 13:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I have done a major edit on the controversy section, primarily to bring flow to the facts mentioned. Almost every detail has been preserved in the copyedit, though there has been a lot of reshuffling. The only detail that I omitted was the reference to this article's text, as the IIPM mentioned in it is Indian Institute of Personnel Management, and not Indian Institute of Planning and Management. Please also note that there are some deliberate duplication of text between a few sections, which will take some more time to get fixed. This requires expansion of other sections in order to preserve the flow of the article text. If someone wants to do away with duplicated text, it's welcome though I would suggest waiting a bit otherwise it would introduce flow related problems in the article. — Ambuj Saxena ( ☎) 14:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I have done my best to base the controversy section on universally accepted facts. All opinions have been duly attributed to their respective sources. I would like to ask all editors regarding their opinion on factual accuracy of the controversy section. I request them to point out claims that are either unattributed, and not universally accepted fact. For example, the content of the JAM's article may be debatable on factual accuracy, but the fact that JAM published the article with given content is not disputed. Once we establish the factual accuracy of the section, we can go ahead with neutrality clean-up. — Ambuj Saxena ( ☎) 18:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
The clarification that IIPM issued regarding the claims of Rashmi Bansal and Gaurav Sabnis ("We are stunned as to how the people from IIMs…") is shown to be sourced from the outlook article. However, on looking there, I find that it is not the case. Although I am sure of the accuracy of the transcripted clarification, can someone trace back the source and add it correctly. I copied it from the controversy article, but looks like nobody bothered to check the links of the source. — Ambuj Saxena ( ☎) 19:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Mrinal, copy-pasting my old comment on the talk page so that you wont have to look for it - That IIPM is unaccredited is a fact, stated on its own website. This is not original research or biased viewpoint. Given that it is an unaccredited school, it is an important fact that should be mentioned in the begining, apart from the details of the accredition later. This is in conformation with wiki pages of several unaccredited institites e.g - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Smith_University http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Central_University http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canbourne_University http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellington_University http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landford_University and dozens of other pages. Makrandjoshi 08:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
MakrandJoshi, how are you? Accreditation means different things to different people. All of the examples you have quoted above are from outside india. In India, I am sure you must know that IIPM offers a superb education, far above a couple of hundred AICTE accredited institutions. IN fact, please take a look at AICTE's website. In delhi alone, you will find that only 6 MBA/PGDBM programs are AICTE accredited - all 6 are of a quality lower than IIPM's (as per the national rankings by BT and Outlook and BB). In addition, AICTE has accredited 30 institutes in Rajasthan, 20 in Punjab, etc... none of which you or me would have heard of.
So - in America or Europe, of you are not accredited, you are probably below the standard of the accredititing counciul. And that is how this will be percieved by many Wiki readers. NBut this is not the case. And Amity Business School has taken the AICTE to court (from AICTE website home page). So the matter is also sub judice. In fact, AICTE is in court over many things (look at news archives), including its existence and powers.
Therefore, I request you reconsider your stance of putting unaccredited, Or else, lets qualify the statement with all this information about AICTE. Makes sense, na? -- Iipmstudent9 18:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello, boys. Please take a look at the formatting ihave introduced to the ranking section. I think it looks very nice. Feel free to tweak it. I have not removed the Outlook ranking, although it serves no purpose (old and withdrawn)!-- Iipmstudent9 17:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
In today's advertisement in ToI, the IIPM mentions both MBA and BBA degrees as post-graduate degrees in management. They have finally dropped "superior to", etc. from their ads, and are now directly writing MBA/BBA. A note on the bottom of the ad states that IIPM conducts non professional and non technical courses, and states that IIPM does not teach foreign institute courses. The degree by IMI is in recognition of IIPM's excellence. I don't have the time to do the necessary update in facts and IIPM's stance on the issue. I request the editors to update the article. — Ambuj Saxena ( ☎) 06:33, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
There is no online link provided for the Business Barons ranking. It is thus suspected to be original research. iipmstudent9 and mrinal both objected to just dates, page number and edition of Hindustan Times being mentioned for the IMI belgium story, so it was removed. Applying same standards here. Makrandjoshi 00:04, 2 February 2007 (UTC) Have also removed the Business Today ranking because it links to a subscription-only page. The aforementioned HT article about IMI Belgium is also accessible to subscribers, but that was deemed insufficient by iipmstudent9 and mrinal. Applying same standards here. Makrandjoshi 00:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I have serious doubts regarding whether faculty members from US schools actually visited IIPM and conducted seminars. The only source of information is the IIPM website. Surely if a person as famous as Philip Kotler conducted a semianr, it would have been covered by the media. Please provide links of newspapers to verify this. Until then i have taken down that information. Makrandjoshi 00:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Dear Makrand, you cannot simply revert and or delete constructive changes. Please review the information provided in the Help pages. The object of Wikipedia is to build an encyclopaedic article. All the other editors can see that you are consistently trying to make this an attack page. Please refrain from this behavior immediately, or you will be banned by administrators.
For example, you deleted the information on rankings, which has been on the page for over a year, and has been linked to online sources, scanned pages provided, etc. You simply deleted it?
Further, you deleted the information on faculty the visit IIPM from global institutions - this information has been reviewed by many editors, and your act was pure vandalism.
Please look at the articles provided in the HELP section, and I am sure you will see the mistakes you have made.
Thanks Iipmstudent9 06:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
No matter how long something has been on the page, when it violates wiki policy, changes are valid. Makrandjoshi 21:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Recently went to Mumbai and Ahmedabad campus for IIM - A Chaos competition, and clicked these pics with friends. I'm sure our friendly vandal Makrand will revert this constructive effort, but I will prevail :) Iipmstudent9 06:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello, this is an explanation of my edits to both the warring parties.
To Makrand:
To IIPMStudent9:
Thanks, Max 08:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Dear Maximvs,
Thank you for putting in all this work! I apprecaite this effort. Thank you.
Again, good job, and thank you.
Best, Iipmstudent9 12:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Dear maximvs,
There are no online sources, but I have found 2 newspaper clippings in the library that refer to various guest faculty. However, Wikipedia policy says that material from IIPM's website is admissible, as long as the source is identified as the official website. Therefore, I guess it amy not be necessary to scan those articles and upload them? -- AlamSrinivas 13:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
To Max Thanks for your efforts.
- The article from Hindustan Times which mentions IMI Belgium is available online, but since it is more than a week old, it is available only through paid subscription. I will try to get a scan of the article. Until then I am adding that information with a 'citation needed' rider, much like some of the other information - About the campus being sealed, it is not anyone's intention to imply it was IIPM's fault. However the campus was sealed, for whatever reason, and from an encyclopaedic point of view, it is pretty important to know that this is an institute whose campus has been selad in the past. It is an important thing to evaluate while deciding about the institute. Another thing is, iipmstudent9 claims that the campus has been reopened, but there is no valid source cited. The last news article says High Court declined IIPM's request and ordered it to vacate the campus. - Maybe using "rare occasion" was OR. But it is worth noting that IIPM says rankings dont matter, but when it is ranked well, uses them in the ads. I will reword that line to remove any OR, with a link to IIPM ads as a source. - UNESCO lists accredited schools, even though it does not accredit them itself. In that sense, considering it is a UN organisation, I don't see how mentioning that "IMI does not feature on UNESCO's list of accredited schools" violates any wiki polic. I am putting it back on. - It can be seen from IIPM's website that most faculty members do not have a PhD. However all other top ranked schools in India, like the IIMs have almost exclusively PhDs as faculty members. In fact "Most university faculty hold a PhD or equivalent degree" is a line I have taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faculty_%28university%29 Please suggest a valid way to word this fact that does not seem like OR. - All big newspapers in India like Times of India have news archives running back several years. Surely if big names like Kotler came to IIPM, it would be covered in the media and be available online. Makrandjoshi 21:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Max, I would also request you to express your opinion about the use of the word "unaccredited" in the first line. If you go through the talk archives, I have shown the examples of several unaccredited schools being introduced thus. IIPM being unaccredited is a verifiable fact. iipmstudent9's obejctions, which you can read above are all original research. For instance he claims that unaccredited means different things in India as opposed to USA and Europe. I disagree. This is purely original research. The verifiable NPOV fact is IIPM is an unaccredited institute, and writing so in the introductory line does not violate any wiki policy. Thus repeatedly deleting that word borders on vandalism. Makrandjoshi 21:35, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Makrandjoshi 22:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
-- AlamSrinivas 19:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
As for all the things that make IIPM unique, as Max has already said and even i said before, you are free to add anything as long as it is verified from a citable source. IIPM website alone cant be a valid source, even according to wiki policy since it is a primary source. For instance, no one has problems with the UNDP thing being mentioned, because it is validly cited. Claims about Yale and Stanford are not, hence are suspect. Makrandjoshi 22:04, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Dipali, as the wiki page on RS says, Self-published material, whether published online or as a book or pamphlet, may be used as sources of information about the author, so long as there is no reasonable doubt who wrote the material, and so long as it is:
-relevant to the self-publisher's notability; -not contentious; -not unduly self-serving or self-aggrandizing; -about the subject only and not about third parties or events not directly related to the subject; The reputation of the self-publisher is a guide to whether the material rises to the level of notability at all.
So you see, using the IIPM website as source about the school, infrastructure, faculty, courses etc is fine. But the mention of famous professors from US schools is contentious, self-aggrandizing as well as about third parties. For it to be verifiable, there needs to be newspaper article links. Makrandjoshi 14:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | → | Archive 15 |
Please note that all new discussion should be added at the bottom of the page. Recent discussions will be at the bottom of this page, please respond in the appropriate sections.
Looks like that the article has been the centre of heated arguments and revert wars since the past one month. What I plan now is to divert those creative energies in actually improving the article.
First, it is important to understand what controversy really means. Something can be said to be controversial only if there are two contradicting viewpoints. If a magazine says something that IIPM denies, it is controversy. But if there is a fact that is accepted by everybody (like IIPM not being accredited by AICTE), then it should be included in article text under "education", and not controversy. The controversy section needs a lot of structuring as it is just a random collection of facts. The information present should be organised so that it is easy to understand.
Controversies apart, there are a lot more avenues in which the article can be improved. They are as follows:
If these improvements are introduced in the article with proper citations, it would be great for the article as most of these are non-controversial. Apart from these things, a lot of cleanup is required. Institute's vision are mostly flowery and don't contribute much to the article. It is best to discuss what the institute does, and not what it thinks it intends to do. I will be removing it. Names of deans, faculty also don't contribute to the article unless they are well-known academics themselves.
While these improvements can go on, I will think of ways to deal with the controversy section with special care of NPOV. — Ambuj Saxena ( ☎) 09:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to confirm...Isn't it true that IIPM used to offer MBA and BBA degrees, but withdrew them when UGC raised objection. — Ambuj Saxena ( ☎) 17:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Dear Ambuj, just wanted to clarify, I notice you've put many details on each one of the paragraphs. I'll add on to your paragraphs in the coming weeks. But I'll also add a few more paragraphs. For example, I wish to add paragraphs that are mentioned in other b-school sites (like visits etc); apart from also adding something on GOTA, which is the Global Opportunities and Threats Analysis programme which is a separate project of IIPM. Do tell me your views on that. Regards, Mrinal Mrinal Pandey 13:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Dear Ganesh, I'm sorry I took so long in replying. Post Christmas, got totally busy in official work :-) But even now, don't have that much time to put in edit efforts. Just to refresh the issue context, though I notice you are not editing on this page (and I do appreciate that), I also again request you to kindly not edit this project till you are an administrator. Best regards always, Thanks, Mrinal Mrinal Pandey 13:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Ambuj, I propose adding two more ranking details. One is the Outlook ranking of 2002, and another is the Business Barons ranking of 2003. Will wait for your inputs before adding them on the ranking site. Thanks Mrinal Mrinal Pandey 13:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I have done a major edit on the controversy section, primarily to bring flow to the facts mentioned. Almost every detail has been preserved in the copyedit, though there has been a lot of reshuffling. The only detail that I omitted was the reference to this article's text, as the IIPM mentioned in it is Indian Institute of Personnel Management, and not Indian Institute of Planning and Management. Please also note that there are some deliberate duplication of text between a few sections, which will take some more time to get fixed. This requires expansion of other sections in order to preserve the flow of the article text. If someone wants to do away with duplicated text, it's welcome though I would suggest waiting a bit otherwise it would introduce flow related problems in the article. — Ambuj Saxena ( ☎) 14:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I have done my best to base the controversy section on universally accepted facts. All opinions have been duly attributed to their respective sources. I would like to ask all editors regarding their opinion on factual accuracy of the controversy section. I request them to point out claims that are either unattributed, and not universally accepted fact. For example, the content of the JAM's article may be debatable on factual accuracy, but the fact that JAM published the article with given content is not disputed. Once we establish the factual accuracy of the section, we can go ahead with neutrality clean-up. — Ambuj Saxena ( ☎) 18:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
The clarification that IIPM issued regarding the claims of Rashmi Bansal and Gaurav Sabnis ("We are stunned as to how the people from IIMs…") is shown to be sourced from the outlook article. However, on looking there, I find that it is not the case. Although I am sure of the accuracy of the transcripted clarification, can someone trace back the source and add it correctly. I copied it from the controversy article, but looks like nobody bothered to check the links of the source. — Ambuj Saxena ( ☎) 19:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Mrinal, copy-pasting my old comment on the talk page so that you wont have to look for it - That IIPM is unaccredited is a fact, stated on its own website. This is not original research or biased viewpoint. Given that it is an unaccredited school, it is an important fact that should be mentioned in the begining, apart from the details of the accredition later. This is in conformation with wiki pages of several unaccredited institites e.g - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Smith_University http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Central_University http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canbourne_University http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellington_University http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landford_University and dozens of other pages. Makrandjoshi 08:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
MakrandJoshi, how are you? Accreditation means different things to different people. All of the examples you have quoted above are from outside india. In India, I am sure you must know that IIPM offers a superb education, far above a couple of hundred AICTE accredited institutions. IN fact, please take a look at AICTE's website. In delhi alone, you will find that only 6 MBA/PGDBM programs are AICTE accredited - all 6 are of a quality lower than IIPM's (as per the national rankings by BT and Outlook and BB). In addition, AICTE has accredited 30 institutes in Rajasthan, 20 in Punjab, etc... none of which you or me would have heard of.
So - in America or Europe, of you are not accredited, you are probably below the standard of the accredititing counciul. And that is how this will be percieved by many Wiki readers. NBut this is not the case. And Amity Business School has taken the AICTE to court (from AICTE website home page). So the matter is also sub judice. In fact, AICTE is in court over many things (look at news archives), including its existence and powers.
Therefore, I request you reconsider your stance of putting unaccredited, Or else, lets qualify the statement with all this information about AICTE. Makes sense, na? -- Iipmstudent9 18:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello, boys. Please take a look at the formatting ihave introduced to the ranking section. I think it looks very nice. Feel free to tweak it. I have not removed the Outlook ranking, although it serves no purpose (old and withdrawn)!-- Iipmstudent9 17:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
In today's advertisement in ToI, the IIPM mentions both MBA and BBA degrees as post-graduate degrees in management. They have finally dropped "superior to", etc. from their ads, and are now directly writing MBA/BBA. A note on the bottom of the ad states that IIPM conducts non professional and non technical courses, and states that IIPM does not teach foreign institute courses. The degree by IMI is in recognition of IIPM's excellence. I don't have the time to do the necessary update in facts and IIPM's stance on the issue. I request the editors to update the article. — Ambuj Saxena ( ☎) 06:33, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
There is no online link provided for the Business Barons ranking. It is thus suspected to be original research. iipmstudent9 and mrinal both objected to just dates, page number and edition of Hindustan Times being mentioned for the IMI belgium story, so it was removed. Applying same standards here. Makrandjoshi 00:04, 2 February 2007 (UTC) Have also removed the Business Today ranking because it links to a subscription-only page. The aforementioned HT article about IMI Belgium is also accessible to subscribers, but that was deemed insufficient by iipmstudent9 and mrinal. Applying same standards here. Makrandjoshi 00:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I have serious doubts regarding whether faculty members from US schools actually visited IIPM and conducted seminars. The only source of information is the IIPM website. Surely if a person as famous as Philip Kotler conducted a semianr, it would have been covered by the media. Please provide links of newspapers to verify this. Until then i have taken down that information. Makrandjoshi 00:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Dear Makrand, you cannot simply revert and or delete constructive changes. Please review the information provided in the Help pages. The object of Wikipedia is to build an encyclopaedic article. All the other editors can see that you are consistently trying to make this an attack page. Please refrain from this behavior immediately, or you will be banned by administrators.
For example, you deleted the information on rankings, which has been on the page for over a year, and has been linked to online sources, scanned pages provided, etc. You simply deleted it?
Further, you deleted the information on faculty the visit IIPM from global institutions - this information has been reviewed by many editors, and your act was pure vandalism.
Please look at the articles provided in the HELP section, and I am sure you will see the mistakes you have made.
Thanks Iipmstudent9 06:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
No matter how long something has been on the page, when it violates wiki policy, changes are valid. Makrandjoshi 21:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Recently went to Mumbai and Ahmedabad campus for IIM - A Chaos competition, and clicked these pics with friends. I'm sure our friendly vandal Makrand will revert this constructive effort, but I will prevail :) Iipmstudent9 06:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello, this is an explanation of my edits to both the warring parties.
To Makrand:
To IIPMStudent9:
Thanks, Max 08:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Dear Maximvs,
Thank you for putting in all this work! I apprecaite this effort. Thank you.
Again, good job, and thank you.
Best, Iipmstudent9 12:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Dear maximvs,
There are no online sources, but I have found 2 newspaper clippings in the library that refer to various guest faculty. However, Wikipedia policy says that material from IIPM's website is admissible, as long as the source is identified as the official website. Therefore, I guess it amy not be necessary to scan those articles and upload them? -- AlamSrinivas 13:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
To Max Thanks for your efforts.
- The article from Hindustan Times which mentions IMI Belgium is available online, but since it is more than a week old, it is available only through paid subscription. I will try to get a scan of the article. Until then I am adding that information with a 'citation needed' rider, much like some of the other information - About the campus being sealed, it is not anyone's intention to imply it was IIPM's fault. However the campus was sealed, for whatever reason, and from an encyclopaedic point of view, it is pretty important to know that this is an institute whose campus has been selad in the past. It is an important thing to evaluate while deciding about the institute. Another thing is, iipmstudent9 claims that the campus has been reopened, but there is no valid source cited. The last news article says High Court declined IIPM's request and ordered it to vacate the campus. - Maybe using "rare occasion" was OR. But it is worth noting that IIPM says rankings dont matter, but when it is ranked well, uses them in the ads. I will reword that line to remove any OR, with a link to IIPM ads as a source. - UNESCO lists accredited schools, even though it does not accredit them itself. In that sense, considering it is a UN organisation, I don't see how mentioning that "IMI does not feature on UNESCO's list of accredited schools" violates any wiki polic. I am putting it back on. - It can be seen from IIPM's website that most faculty members do not have a PhD. However all other top ranked schools in India, like the IIMs have almost exclusively PhDs as faculty members. In fact "Most university faculty hold a PhD or equivalent degree" is a line I have taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faculty_%28university%29 Please suggest a valid way to word this fact that does not seem like OR. - All big newspapers in India like Times of India have news archives running back several years. Surely if big names like Kotler came to IIPM, it would be covered in the media and be available online. Makrandjoshi 21:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Max, I would also request you to express your opinion about the use of the word "unaccredited" in the first line. If you go through the talk archives, I have shown the examples of several unaccredited schools being introduced thus. IIPM being unaccredited is a verifiable fact. iipmstudent9's obejctions, which you can read above are all original research. For instance he claims that unaccredited means different things in India as opposed to USA and Europe. I disagree. This is purely original research. The verifiable NPOV fact is IIPM is an unaccredited institute, and writing so in the introductory line does not violate any wiki policy. Thus repeatedly deleting that word borders on vandalism. Makrandjoshi 21:35, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Makrandjoshi 22:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
-- AlamSrinivas 19:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
As for all the things that make IIPM unique, as Max has already said and even i said before, you are free to add anything as long as it is verified from a citable source. IIPM website alone cant be a valid source, even according to wiki policy since it is a primary source. For instance, no one has problems with the UNDP thing being mentioned, because it is validly cited. Claims about Yale and Stanford are not, hence are suspect. Makrandjoshi 22:04, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Dipali, as the wiki page on RS says, Self-published material, whether published online or as a book or pamphlet, may be used as sources of information about the author, so long as there is no reasonable doubt who wrote the material, and so long as it is:
-relevant to the self-publisher's notability; -not contentious; -not unduly self-serving or self-aggrandizing; -about the subject only and not about third parties or events not directly related to the subject; The reputation of the self-publisher is a guide to whether the material rises to the level of notability at all.
So you see, using the IIPM website as source about the school, infrastructure, faculty, courses etc is fine. But the mention of famous professors from US schools is contentious, self-aggrandizing as well as about third parties. For it to be verifiable, there needs to be newspaper article links. Makrandjoshi 14:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)