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As this page includes at least one de facto Scout association, a re-name to Independent Scout and Scout-like organizations in the United States is requested. The current one is a little misleading. DiverScout ( talk) 07:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
I chose the "scout-like organization in the US" to keep the article title short and use the terminology in the Template:Scouting in the United States, but I am using it the broadest term (scout-like, brake away organization, alternative scouting, etc.). Most US scouting organization cannot state that they are scouting organization given the BSA's trademark of it.
A cake is a cake, it is not cake-like. You were vague and incorrect and created a misleadingly titled article. That has been amended. This is no different to you deciding to "be bold" and concentrate a large number of sourced articles onto one page. There was no consenus for that either, was there? Next, the links for the additional information that you choose to ignore may be out of date - but are still valid. If you wish to create personal attacks, and post POV incorrect information under misleading article titles, please create your own web space. If you wish to contribute to an encyclopedia, I am sure that we will all enjoy working with you. DiverScout ( talk) 17:32, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The WFIS Scout organization "BPSA" have been active in the USA longer than indicated in the section on this page - as I previously attempted to indicate through adding already-present data from elsewhere on Wikipedia. As the 2002 Group is defunct, and their web domain is now used by some Chinese(?) organisation, I was going to amend the link to a standard archive of the page. Sadly another editor appears unwilling to release "ownership" of the page.
Data relating to the earlier version of the B-PSA in the United States, who operated as Baden-Powell Scout Association (prior to the US copyright issues on Scout becoming a blocking issue) can be easily read on the archive. [1]. Once the edit block is released I intend to restore this data to the article. DiverScout ( talk) 15:22, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
"The task of the corporation’s board of directors is to work toward bringing existing Baden-Powell groups from across the US together under a unified program, and to offer new groups an attractive alternative to the only other existing American program.
I am the Media Director for the Baden-Powell Service Association (BPSA), and today I was made aware of the fact that some misleading information has been posted about our Scouting association on the following Wikipedia article, which we are unable to edit due to the fact that it is a protected page:
There are several problems with the information contained in that article about our association that needs to be corrected. The most important of which is the statement that we are a "secular" scouting organization. This is not the way that the BPSA wishes to present itself, and is indeed very misleading. There are other factual errors as well, and I have corrected them all and have provided supporting links where needed.
One thing I found was especially interesting (read: FALSE) is how the very first 3rd-party link used on this article for our association that is the reference for "...is a secular inclusive coed traditional Scout organization..." doesn't say that at all! If you click the link to the article, it says nothing about the BPSA being "secular". That is a misleading and incorrect statement. Saying that we are "secular" implies that we are an atheist organization, which is not true. We allow religious people just as we allow nonreligious people to join. It also says that we are "a branch of the Baden-Powell Scouts' Association in the UK," which is also completely false. We are *affiliated* with them, yes, but we are not a branch. We are completely independent.
Can someone please update this section for us as soon as possible? Please let me know.
Thank you, Jeff Kopp, Media Director, Baden-Powell Service Association US: http://bpsa-us.org and Email: media@bpsa-us.org
Here's how we would like that section to appear:
The Baden-Powell Service Association (BPSA) is an independent and traditional-style Scouting association that takes its name from the founder of the Scouting movement, Robert Baden-Powell. The BPSA is a member organization of the World Federation of Independent Scouts (WFIS), and is affiliated with the Baden-Powell Scouts' Association of England and works closely with the Baden-Powell Service Association of British Columbia.
See: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/18/9-faith-based-and-secular-alternatives-to-the-boy-scouts-of-america/ and http://www.troop97.net/wfis.htm
The BPSA offers a traditional ("back to basics") Scouting program for youth and adults, girls and boys, men and women, with open and inclusive membership policies that disallow any and all discrimination on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion (or no religion) or other differentiating factors. The association's motto is "Traditional Scouting for Everyone!"
History
The Baden-Powell Service Association formed with an adult-only component, Rovers, in 2006. David Atchley, a former Eagle Scout in the Boy Scouts of America, joined up in 2008, after being asked to leave his local Greater St. Louis Area council of the BSA after he attempted to create a non-discrimination policy for his own Cub Scout pack. In the BPSA, David was responsible for adapting the programs of the other Baden-Powell Scouting associations in introducing youth sections to the BPSA's program. In 2009, Atchley became commissioner. By 2011, the association had only a handful of units. BPSA reincorporated in 2012, became an official 501©(3) nonprofit in 2013, and has since grown to include more than 45 chartered Scout groups today.
See: http://www.stlbeacon.org/#!/content/26471/boys_scouts_alternative_081012 and http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wiccans-earth-lovers-do-gooders-theres-scouting-group-your-kid-v19680825
Program
Within each BPSA Scouting Group, Scouts are organized in groups called “sections” according to their age: Otters (ages 5 to 7), Timberwolves (8 to 10,) Pathfinders (11 to 17), and Rovers (18+)
http://bpsa-us.org/program/ and http://www.troop97.net/wrldsct6.htm
BPSA's highest award for youths (Pathfinders) is the George Washington Scout Award. The highest award for adults (Rovers) is the Baden-Powell Award. http://bpsa-us.org/program/pathfinders/ and http://bpsa-us.org/program/rovers/ kopper ( talk) 22:38, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Also, would it be possible for us to have our own separate Wikipedia article? kopper ( talk) 22:45, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
←Secular means "1.Not specifically religious." Thus since you do take members of any religion or no religion there for you are secular. Really, kopper, you just claimed that you are affiliated with Baden-Powell Scouts' Association as that is what you want in the lead. "I don't really care WHAT that article says; just because someone posted an article about us on some 3rd-party website does not mean that they somehow know more about our program than WE do." Sorry, but that are the rules on WP. DiverScout, I suggest that you take your own advice since Kopper just point out TWICE now that you WHERE WRONG. So you need to go away and stop your attacks, flaming and goading me. Spshu ( talk) 15:15, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
The discussions on this page are crossing the line and violating the civility policy. Most involved are Scouts, and I want to remind everyone that a "Scout is friendly." Please interact in a respectful and civil manner.
There has been some mention of conflict of interest. It is possible to edit articles where you are involved. The key is to be transparent about who you are and who you are associated with and to pledge to advance the aims of Wikipedia over outside interests. You can do this by clearly stating your background on your userpage as I have done at User:Gadget850/about.
As an admin, lead coordinator for the Scouting project and as an interested editor, it is my goal to make all articles within our purview both brilliant and reliably sourced. I really do not like taking preemptive or punitive actions, but I will do as needed to advance Wikipedia as a whole.
So, take a deep breath, back off for a day or two and come back with your heads in the right place. There is no hurry to get this done right now, so lets reflect and do it correctly and civilly. -- Gadget850 talk 02:32, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
There should be discussion before redirects before certain articles such as Pathfinders (Seventh-day Adventist) and Royal Rangers, etc. are blanked and redirected here. In particular I note those two articles describe international organizations while this article is US specific. Also Royal Rangers with 125,000 members and Pathfinders with 2 million (worldwide) are considerably bigger than American Heritage Girls or Trail Life USA the first with 20,000 and the second just started that are also more explicitly Scout organizations, are US specific, and no attempt has been made to fold them in. Someone else has reverted the first two organizations and SpiralScouts International. I'm reverting Awana and Calvinist Cadet Corps also on grounds of being international. -- Erp ( talk) 04:56, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Thoughts I've had
What do people think? -- Erp ( talk) 02:41, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
So should we rename the article Youth organizations in the United States to avoid the unclearness of Scout-like? -- Erp ( talk) 02:02, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
For comparison - Youth organisations in the United Kingdom DiverScout ( talk) 13:43, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
AWANA is bigger (even if you just count the US part of its membership) than Trail Life, AHG, and Camp Fire and has its own article so why is it here? By your reasoning none of the groups with their own articles should be here. -- Erp ( talk) 06:41, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm reviving my suggestion to rename this article to Youth organizations in the United States and to reword so as to not be so scouting centric. -- Erp ( talk) 07:06, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
Category:Youth organizations based in the United States is pretty well populated. -- Gadget850 talk 12:05, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
On a case-by-case basis we need to look at which of the listed organizations are actually "Scout-like" and what specific, categorical criteria we are applying. To me the label Scout-like should only be applied to organizations that consider themselves a direct Scouting alternative organization, with the others (the majority) labelled as youth organizations. DiverScout ( talk) 09:38, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
What does independent mean in this context? -- Gadget850 talk 17:07, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Earth Champs is a program of the Sustainable Business Coalition of Tampa Bay, Inc. [3] The previous URL now redirects. [4]
-- Gadget850 talk 13:32, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
-- Gadget850 talk 13:38, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
Given that the category Category:Youth_organizations_based_in_the_United_States exists though that is not quite the same as youth organizations in the United States (some of which may be home based elsewhere), I don't think we should repeat all those organizations within this article but instead point to the category listing for further info (admittedly the category needs some cleaning up). What this article should do is summarize the significant youth organizations, explain the types of youth organizations, and give some general history (when did youth organizations start in the US?). -- Erp ( talk) 23:43, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
I've done a preliminary check of the list and removed several for being local (and fixed the cat in the original articles). I note that several of the organizations no longer exist (and a few of them in part because it turned out the CIA was a major source of funds, definitely a history there); I'm not sure how we want to handle no longer existing organizations. BTW Girls, Inc. seems to have some of the longest roots going back to 1865; we do need some good scholarly references on the history of youth organizations in the United States. We should also look at High school club since many of the youth organizations' local chapters are such clubs (and the Student group article is a mess). -- Erp ( talk) 02:35, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Christian Service Brigade an article previously redirected to this article which was subsequently reversed has now been put up for a formal discussion on deletion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Service Brigade and a redirect here. -- Erp ( talk) 16:47, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
I note an edit war about mention of the Boy Scouts of America and the Girl Scouts of the USA in this section. I am not seeing a discussion about this as suggested in an edit summary. I think it is crazy that this section does not mention the two largest organisations. The table of contents looks very odd with mention of only a small organisation. The fact that they are in the lede is not relevant, but if people thing it matters I would prefer to remove them from the lede and not mention any specific organizations there. I am not going to revert the last edit, but let us discuss it further here. -- Bduke (Discussion) 20:55, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
A change I made to the Troops of St. George section was rolled back and the above reason was given. First, if blogging is not an acceptable source, then another of the references in that section isn't valid either (namely this one - Patheos - which is currently a dead link anyway). But the reference I gave was an interview with the founder in which he described the Troops as a "fraternal organization" (rather than "alternative scouting organization" as its currently described on this page). It's hard to see how that isn't an acceptable source. Dcs.trad ( talk) 14:52, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
I came across SpiralScouts at http://www.spiralscouts.org/ , but don't see them listed here. 71.175.167.93 ( talk) 20:54, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
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The scouting MOS states: "In addition to standard style guides, formal style guides of the Scouting organization that is the subject of the article will be used." In no way shape or form does that mean that scouting is capitalized. But give the article covers multiple scouting organizations general MOS> Proper names versus generic terms: "Capitalize names of particular institutions (the founding of the University of Delhi; the history of Stanford University) but not generic words for institutions (the high school is near the university). Do not capitalize the at the start of an institution's name, regardless of the institution's preferred style." The word, scouting, is used generically here. Spshu ( talk) 18:58, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
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As this page includes at least one de facto Scout association, a re-name to Independent Scout and Scout-like organizations in the United States is requested. The current one is a little misleading. DiverScout ( talk) 07:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
I chose the "scout-like organization in the US" to keep the article title short and use the terminology in the Template:Scouting in the United States, but I am using it the broadest term (scout-like, brake away organization, alternative scouting, etc.). Most US scouting organization cannot state that they are scouting organization given the BSA's trademark of it.
A cake is a cake, it is not cake-like. You were vague and incorrect and created a misleadingly titled article. That has been amended. This is no different to you deciding to "be bold" and concentrate a large number of sourced articles onto one page. There was no consenus for that either, was there? Next, the links for the additional information that you choose to ignore may be out of date - but are still valid. If you wish to create personal attacks, and post POV incorrect information under misleading article titles, please create your own web space. If you wish to contribute to an encyclopedia, I am sure that we will all enjoy working with you. DiverScout ( talk) 17:32, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The WFIS Scout organization "BPSA" have been active in the USA longer than indicated in the section on this page - as I previously attempted to indicate through adding already-present data from elsewhere on Wikipedia. As the 2002 Group is defunct, and their web domain is now used by some Chinese(?) organisation, I was going to amend the link to a standard archive of the page. Sadly another editor appears unwilling to release "ownership" of the page.
Data relating to the earlier version of the B-PSA in the United States, who operated as Baden-Powell Scout Association (prior to the US copyright issues on Scout becoming a blocking issue) can be easily read on the archive. [1]. Once the edit block is released I intend to restore this data to the article. DiverScout ( talk) 15:22, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
"The task of the corporation’s board of directors is to work toward bringing existing Baden-Powell groups from across the US together under a unified program, and to offer new groups an attractive alternative to the only other existing American program.
I am the Media Director for the Baden-Powell Service Association (BPSA), and today I was made aware of the fact that some misleading information has been posted about our Scouting association on the following Wikipedia article, which we are unable to edit due to the fact that it is a protected page:
There are several problems with the information contained in that article about our association that needs to be corrected. The most important of which is the statement that we are a "secular" scouting organization. This is not the way that the BPSA wishes to present itself, and is indeed very misleading. There are other factual errors as well, and I have corrected them all and have provided supporting links where needed.
One thing I found was especially interesting (read: FALSE) is how the very first 3rd-party link used on this article for our association that is the reference for "...is a secular inclusive coed traditional Scout organization..." doesn't say that at all! If you click the link to the article, it says nothing about the BPSA being "secular". That is a misleading and incorrect statement. Saying that we are "secular" implies that we are an atheist organization, which is not true. We allow religious people just as we allow nonreligious people to join. It also says that we are "a branch of the Baden-Powell Scouts' Association in the UK," which is also completely false. We are *affiliated* with them, yes, but we are not a branch. We are completely independent.
Can someone please update this section for us as soon as possible? Please let me know.
Thank you, Jeff Kopp, Media Director, Baden-Powell Service Association US: http://bpsa-us.org and Email: media@bpsa-us.org
Here's how we would like that section to appear:
The Baden-Powell Service Association (BPSA) is an independent and traditional-style Scouting association that takes its name from the founder of the Scouting movement, Robert Baden-Powell. The BPSA is a member organization of the World Federation of Independent Scouts (WFIS), and is affiliated with the Baden-Powell Scouts' Association of England and works closely with the Baden-Powell Service Association of British Columbia.
See: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/18/9-faith-based-and-secular-alternatives-to-the-boy-scouts-of-america/ and http://www.troop97.net/wfis.htm
The BPSA offers a traditional ("back to basics") Scouting program for youth and adults, girls and boys, men and women, with open and inclusive membership policies that disallow any and all discrimination on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion (or no religion) or other differentiating factors. The association's motto is "Traditional Scouting for Everyone!"
History
The Baden-Powell Service Association formed with an adult-only component, Rovers, in 2006. David Atchley, a former Eagle Scout in the Boy Scouts of America, joined up in 2008, after being asked to leave his local Greater St. Louis Area council of the BSA after he attempted to create a non-discrimination policy for his own Cub Scout pack. In the BPSA, David was responsible for adapting the programs of the other Baden-Powell Scouting associations in introducing youth sections to the BPSA's program. In 2009, Atchley became commissioner. By 2011, the association had only a handful of units. BPSA reincorporated in 2012, became an official 501©(3) nonprofit in 2013, and has since grown to include more than 45 chartered Scout groups today.
See: http://www.stlbeacon.org/#!/content/26471/boys_scouts_alternative_081012 and http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wiccans-earth-lovers-do-gooders-theres-scouting-group-your-kid-v19680825
Program
Within each BPSA Scouting Group, Scouts are organized in groups called “sections” according to their age: Otters (ages 5 to 7), Timberwolves (8 to 10,) Pathfinders (11 to 17), and Rovers (18+)
http://bpsa-us.org/program/ and http://www.troop97.net/wrldsct6.htm
BPSA's highest award for youths (Pathfinders) is the George Washington Scout Award. The highest award for adults (Rovers) is the Baden-Powell Award. http://bpsa-us.org/program/pathfinders/ and http://bpsa-us.org/program/rovers/ kopper ( talk) 22:38, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Also, would it be possible for us to have our own separate Wikipedia article? kopper ( talk) 22:45, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
←Secular means "1.Not specifically religious." Thus since you do take members of any religion or no religion there for you are secular. Really, kopper, you just claimed that you are affiliated with Baden-Powell Scouts' Association as that is what you want in the lead. "I don't really care WHAT that article says; just because someone posted an article about us on some 3rd-party website does not mean that they somehow know more about our program than WE do." Sorry, but that are the rules on WP. DiverScout, I suggest that you take your own advice since Kopper just point out TWICE now that you WHERE WRONG. So you need to go away and stop your attacks, flaming and goading me. Spshu ( talk) 15:15, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
The discussions on this page are crossing the line and violating the civility policy. Most involved are Scouts, and I want to remind everyone that a "Scout is friendly." Please interact in a respectful and civil manner.
There has been some mention of conflict of interest. It is possible to edit articles where you are involved. The key is to be transparent about who you are and who you are associated with and to pledge to advance the aims of Wikipedia over outside interests. You can do this by clearly stating your background on your userpage as I have done at User:Gadget850/about.
As an admin, lead coordinator for the Scouting project and as an interested editor, it is my goal to make all articles within our purview both brilliant and reliably sourced. I really do not like taking preemptive or punitive actions, but I will do as needed to advance Wikipedia as a whole.
So, take a deep breath, back off for a day or two and come back with your heads in the right place. There is no hurry to get this done right now, so lets reflect and do it correctly and civilly. -- Gadget850 talk 02:32, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
There should be discussion before redirects before certain articles such as Pathfinders (Seventh-day Adventist) and Royal Rangers, etc. are blanked and redirected here. In particular I note those two articles describe international organizations while this article is US specific. Also Royal Rangers with 125,000 members and Pathfinders with 2 million (worldwide) are considerably bigger than American Heritage Girls or Trail Life USA the first with 20,000 and the second just started that are also more explicitly Scout organizations, are US specific, and no attempt has been made to fold them in. Someone else has reverted the first two organizations and SpiralScouts International. I'm reverting Awana and Calvinist Cadet Corps also on grounds of being international. -- Erp ( talk) 04:56, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Thoughts I've had
What do people think? -- Erp ( talk) 02:41, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
So should we rename the article Youth organizations in the United States to avoid the unclearness of Scout-like? -- Erp ( talk) 02:02, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
For comparison - Youth organisations in the United Kingdom DiverScout ( talk) 13:43, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
AWANA is bigger (even if you just count the US part of its membership) than Trail Life, AHG, and Camp Fire and has its own article so why is it here? By your reasoning none of the groups with their own articles should be here. -- Erp ( talk) 06:41, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm reviving my suggestion to rename this article to Youth organizations in the United States and to reword so as to not be so scouting centric. -- Erp ( talk) 07:06, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
Category:Youth organizations based in the United States is pretty well populated. -- Gadget850 talk 12:05, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
On a case-by-case basis we need to look at which of the listed organizations are actually "Scout-like" and what specific, categorical criteria we are applying. To me the label Scout-like should only be applied to organizations that consider themselves a direct Scouting alternative organization, with the others (the majority) labelled as youth organizations. DiverScout ( talk) 09:38, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
What does independent mean in this context? -- Gadget850 talk 17:07, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Earth Champs is a program of the Sustainable Business Coalition of Tampa Bay, Inc. [3] The previous URL now redirects. [4]
-- Gadget850 talk 13:32, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
-- Gadget850 talk 13:38, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
Given that the category Category:Youth_organizations_based_in_the_United_States exists though that is not quite the same as youth organizations in the United States (some of which may be home based elsewhere), I don't think we should repeat all those organizations within this article but instead point to the category listing for further info (admittedly the category needs some cleaning up). What this article should do is summarize the significant youth organizations, explain the types of youth organizations, and give some general history (when did youth organizations start in the US?). -- Erp ( talk) 23:43, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
I've done a preliminary check of the list and removed several for being local (and fixed the cat in the original articles). I note that several of the organizations no longer exist (and a few of them in part because it turned out the CIA was a major source of funds, definitely a history there); I'm not sure how we want to handle no longer existing organizations. BTW Girls, Inc. seems to have some of the longest roots going back to 1865; we do need some good scholarly references on the history of youth organizations in the United States. We should also look at High school club since many of the youth organizations' local chapters are such clubs (and the Student group article is a mess). -- Erp ( talk) 02:35, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Christian Service Brigade an article previously redirected to this article which was subsequently reversed has now been put up for a formal discussion on deletion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Service Brigade and a redirect here. -- Erp ( talk) 16:47, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
I note an edit war about mention of the Boy Scouts of America and the Girl Scouts of the USA in this section. I am not seeing a discussion about this as suggested in an edit summary. I think it is crazy that this section does not mention the two largest organisations. The table of contents looks very odd with mention of only a small organisation. The fact that they are in the lede is not relevant, but if people thing it matters I would prefer to remove them from the lede and not mention any specific organizations there. I am not going to revert the last edit, but let us discuss it further here. -- Bduke (Discussion) 20:55, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
A change I made to the Troops of St. George section was rolled back and the above reason was given. First, if blogging is not an acceptable source, then another of the references in that section isn't valid either (namely this one - Patheos - which is currently a dead link anyway). But the reference I gave was an interview with the founder in which he described the Troops as a "fraternal organization" (rather than "alternative scouting organization" as its currently described on this page). It's hard to see how that isn't an acceptable source. Dcs.trad ( talk) 14:52, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
I came across SpiralScouts at http://www.spiralscouts.org/ , but don't see them listed here. 71.175.167.93 ( talk) 20:54, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
In accordance with the subarticle idea behind this article, Baden-Powell Service Association with assistance of User:SixFourThree in find additional sources has been move out its own article. Spshu ( talk) 16:41, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
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The scouting MOS states: "In addition to standard style guides, formal style guides of the Scouting organization that is the subject of the article will be used." In no way shape or form does that mean that scouting is capitalized. But give the article covers multiple scouting organizations general MOS> Proper names versus generic terms: "Capitalize names of particular institutions (the founding of the University of Delhi; the history of Stanford University) but not generic words for institutions (the high school is near the university). Do not capitalize the at the start of an institution's name, regardless of the institution's preferred style." The word, scouting, is used generically here. Spshu ( talk) 18:58, 19 October 2017 (UTC)