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submitted by user:PoliticalHack but reverted by -- StanZegel 20:27, 26 August 2005 (UTC):
The article presently conclues with "In the United States, indentured servitude was abolished along with slavery when the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution passed in 1865" but that Amendment abolished "slavery or involuntary servitude" and indentures were voluntary. I think it safest to remove the paragraph. Thoughts?-- StanZegel 19:18, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
RE: Anyway we can lose the following obviously subjective statements?
"In modern times, Indentured servitude is limited to the military service of certain countries where the poor are disproportionately induced to agree to a fixed term of service in exchange for accomidation, food, and often education; a contract which may be enforced by the use of imprisonment.
Military service can become involuntary Slavery when soldiers are compelled to continue their service beyond the term of agreement. Modern indentured servitude and military slavery are opposed by liberals. Supporters often include those who benefit most from this slavery, including big oil interests and the politicians they financially support, many of whom have evaded service themselves and or helped their children evade military service."
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Time does have a way of healing things, sometimes by surprise. The article's paragraph on the effects of the 13th Amendment was the subject of this string -- greatly helped by the research by David Iwancio. As a result of his excellent contributrion, it would be more accurate to have the paragraph in question read "In the United States, indentured servitude was effectively abolished but the Anti-Peonage Act (1867) passed under the powers granted by the Thirteenth Amendment (1865) to the United States Constitution" but when going back to the article to make such a correction, we find that the original paragraph has completely disappeared in the course of the various rewriting and editing that meanwhile was taking place! This makes the point moot for now, but extremely educational. If anyone adds a reference to the 13th Amendment in the future, this discussion can guide them. -- StanZegel 16:43, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
At least in the US, I don't see indentured servitude as being "unfree labour". I believe that using this term is POV. IS can be unfree labour, but it isn't in all cases which is how the opening paragraph leads one to believe. Any objections to changing the text so this is weakened? Kyaa the Catlord 08:06, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Was there indentured servitude in England? Did servants work the farms there? How did plantation servitude evolve in America? How much was colonial indentured servitude based on English tradition?
There are too many unawsered questions here. --
ScWizard
23:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
I think some rough economic data would be helpful, perhaps broken down by century. The cost of a voyage and the cost of the 50 acres of land or so was exchanged for 7 years of labor. I think it would be very interesting to be able to calculate what his would be like in today's terms. 7 years median US income is about $280K or 140K pounds. In the year 1650, how many pounds sterling is that in England? I would guess that it would be about 35 pounds but that is a rough estimate. I would rather hear an expert's take on it, with some citations for the values. Sandwich Eater 17:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Reading Hoffman's wikipedia page I cannot imagine that his claims are without controversy. I think that should be noted in the article. Sandwich Eater 17:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Someone should edit out all the advertisments for that damned movie. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.141.19.238 ( talk) 00:25, 25 February 2007 (UTC).
I have just removed the spam. Mrslippery 17:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
This site says the following:
Do they make a fair point? - Ta bu shi da yu 08:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
A reference to that has been "dropped in" without much explanation, in a place where it seems out of place. I'm going to do some research on this, and see what I can dig up. --♣ Transfinite( Talk) 04:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Would someone please elaborate upon the relationship between indentured servitude and apprenticeship? I had ancestors who were both, and my understanding always has been that the one definitely did not have anything to do with the other. Right now the article reads,
-- but I am not sure that this is so. The distinction, as I understand it, is that an indentured servant certainly had greater hope than a slave did, although she/he had a lowest-possible social status in a somewhat socially-snobbish society -- my own understanding is that most indentures provided for household workers, and were not any sort of guarantee of eventual career-track employment as apprentices.
Not so? -- Kessler 23:57, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
In the beginning, it talks about indentured servituded as if it were good. It isn't, and it wasn't. And frankly, most people will probably only read the first part —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dinoisme ( talk • contribs) 01:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC).
Could someone please just rewrite the article? I thought it was poorly written, unorganized and lacked historical context. I think this would be more productive than the bickering that is going on about it.
Some discussion as to why, if it was such a horrible system, so many people volunteered for it would good, too.
If there's a question about the preference of indentured servitude, then I suggest one look to the non-English countries of Europe for the living conditions and prospects of the peasantry in that manorial system first before commenting. Certainly, for the French and Spanish the prospect of eventual land ownership was enticing. LTC David J. Cormier ( talk) 15:54, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Educate me - as I read above, the military draft could be construed as a form of indenture. Why not?? -- Dumarest 20:50, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
While a number of indentures were enforced by the courts of the time, there were also a large enough number of voluntary indentures by people attempting to buy passage for themselves and their families to the New World. Conscriptees by definition aren't voluntary enlistees. Also, one must look to see if there are 'mustering out benefits' upon completion of the contract. Nice point to ponder, though. LTC David J. Cormier ( talk) 15:58, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Wiki editor N2e stated that the reference Immigration into Pennsylvania Through the Port of Philadelphia, 1700-1775, Genealogical Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1979. is "clearly not the most reliable published source for such a general claim since the reference only covers one period of time, for one ethnic group, through one port, in a single country." Actually, The Diffenderffer book describes the indenturing process in detail for immigrants from Ireland, not only from Germany. I added a second reference, which is an autobiography annotated by editors Susan Klepp and Gordon Smith. In Preface section "Labor and Migration", pages xix-xx, the editors state: "at least half of all European migrants to the British North American colonies during the eighteenth century, ...signed a contract called an indenture. By this agreement, an immigrant worked as a servant for between three and seven years for a designated master." The book then describes the indenturing process used by "thousands of others to emigrate to the New World...". Greensburger ( talk) 21:54, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
"Like slaves, servants could not marry without the permission of their owner, were subject to physical punishment (like many young ordinary servants), and saw their obligation to labor enforced by the courts." ?????? 85.96.53.106 ( talk) 17:41, 8 April 2011 (UTC
Cromwell's Irish who were "Barbadosed", in time we have forgotten that yes some were indentured yet some were sold as outright slaves until death. Furthermore, some of those that were indentured by Cromwell were never given a time period and labored until the end of their lives. (O'Callaghan, S. To Hell or Barbados. Brandon Books Pub. Ltd., 2001) (McCafferty, K. Testimony of an Irish Slave Girl. Viking Press. 2002.) Orasis ( talk) 00:01, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
We can also look at Serfdom, all pretexts aside, those people most of whom were of European/White descent were slaves.
There are document instances. How many instances? Documented instances can be counted, I can't cite this.
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I re-added the Wikipedia requisite bolded title to the lede. Somebody seems to have deleted it, as well as the reference to unfree labor, which is precisely what indentured servitude is. It is not slavery, but not free labor either; the term defines unfree labor as specifically including contractually-mandated labor designed to "work off" a debt, in this case the debt of travel costs from Europe to the colonies. Again by contract, the laborers were considered as the same status as children or "indigent workers", both of which were subject to the whims of their employer, including free application of corporal punishment and other punishments no free man would stand for. Please don't delete it again. The term was created with indentured servitude specifically in mind. Vintovka Dragunova ( talk) 19:31, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
end of text.. This appears confusing..
>>>these servants had virtually dissolved in America by the early 1800s and were eventually outlawed in the United States before the turn of the 19th century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.52.133.249 ( talk) 00:04, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
After having read this article it strikes me as odd that there can be so much emphasis on the slavery aspects and no mention whatsoever of the fact that many of the "servants" sent here by Britain were actually convicted criminals and until the revolution North America was being used as British penal colony and indentured servitude was a large part of that program.
Since the article on penal colonies links here for more information one would think that it would be addressed in some manner on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.10.173.190 ( talk) 17:13, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the following statements as they have been tagged "citation needed" or "original research" for several months:
If anyone can find sources to back them up, feel free to re-add them. — An gr If you've written a quality article... 10:07, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I just found a source for*The term Barbadosed was coined for these actions, and Redlegs for the group concerned. http://www.yale.edu/glc/tangledroots/Barbadosed.htm Now where was that quote... I'm heading into the history to find it. Ollie Garkey ( talk) 19:31, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
hey, there have been a few cases of african indentured servitude, but there has been not much to mention of the surnames of these africans or the transmission of culture on to the descendants. i have read about the Kumina religion in Jamaica being based on the religion of the indentured servants but not about their culture or the keeping of specific cultural attributes like kinship etc. please feel free to email me(doms_bakk@hotmail.com) for any info. Domsta333 02:51, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
The article currently claims that indentured servitude is illegal within the USA, which is generally but not completely true. I did a bit of research last year and found a document containing language that demonstrates the indentured nature of military service (which I feel I should point out is significantly different from slavery). Yet when I post these facts, they are deleted as irrelevant. I would like some advice on how we can work together to improve this article. Thanks, Mwenechanga ( talk) 22:44, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Should this article discuss the "indentures" on legal documents that gave the term its name? ~~RKH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.21.242.75 ( talk) 19:15, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Was it legal in any Western country to treat indentured servants as slaves? Could they be forced to work so hard that they were completely worn out before the end of their contracts? Could they be sexually abused, locked up, battered, possibly even killed, without running any risk of being put on trial for it? I just wondered if there was any real difference between being an indentured servant and being a slave? 2015-12-31 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.
The word "treat" should not be overinterpreted. (I have ssen a lot of people complaining about treatment which is not actually comparabale to what they call it.) What I really wondered was if indentured servants were in practice as lacking in legal rights as slaves. This really seem to have been the case on Barbados. Anyone which know any other place or area where this was the case? 2015-12-31 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.
"One could buy and sell indentured servants' contracts, and the right to their labor would change hands, but not the person as a piece of property."
Now, that may have been the case in the United States. But It was not the case for all Slaves in Rome or Serfs in Europe. They were property.
Because Indentured servants were considered property, indentured labor is also an output of property. How is this different from slavery? This should just become a lease on slaves--thus taking away the risk of loss of property(the death of slaves) and allows for better production value.
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Why does white slavery (historical) redirect to indentured servitude? It was not indentured servitude, it was slavery, pure and simple. Until the 1800s the majority of slaves in the Americas were Irish or Scottish, not Africans. These historical facts deserve to have an article, not to be swept under the rug. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.208.84.136 ( talk) 08:24, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
How is slavery "pure and simple? You can't rewrite history. My professor is correct. I cannot use this as a source.
This statement is factually untrue. However, the redlegs are an example of white slavery as caused by Cromwell. White slavery is not indentured servitude, and it is often ignored. Which leads to misunderstandings like those expressed in the preceding statement. The link should be changed. Ollie Garkey ( talk) 16:13, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I agree. The white slavery article should not forward to indentured servitude. It is well known that Rome, Greece, England etc, used White slaves. They were not "servants." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.130.189.213 ( talk) 22:59, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Although the majority of slaves in the Americas were not Scottish or Irish, they did exist. Ok, please cite it. Please.
I too agree that to forward the 'White slavery' page automatically to the indentured servitude one is highly irresponsible and historically inaccurate. White slaves did exist and they were in no way indentured servants, they were whole property unto death. They were slaves. Orasis ( talk) 23:15, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
There are a lot of factually incorrect statements in this article, particularly under the heading "America." Most indentured servants were not teenagers, they were children. They were typically aged between 6 and 11 years old when they were shipped from England to the US under the belief that they would have a better life in the US. A HUGE majoraty didn't survive the crossing and even fewer lived to see their days as a free person. I cannot link to this because it is all the archives in Virgina...but the book (your 1st source) is not an adequate source I'm afraid. The records are there in their orignal form in Virgina and this article is grossly midleading. It suggests that being an indentured servant was favourable and most servants benefitted from it. It wasn't wasn't and they didn't and as such you are doing a disservice to those that were part of it and those that wish to understand it by getting your facts wrong. Shh071 ( talk) 05:29, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Think about the opportunity cost of having one more body aboard the ship. There was very little difference in cost for the captain to have 15 or 20 boys, so in hopes that he could sell more contracts they would usually overload. Huge majority does sound like an overstatement to me though. 140.146.36.185 ( talk) 15:59, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
July 11, 2013: Well to just blow this thing wide open, "White slavery" is not only largely a fallacy, its a pretty meaningless term. What "White Slavery" enthusiasts call slavery was in fact, in almost all cases, 16th to 19th century indentured servitude, convict labor, or serfdom--all of which are different forms of 'unfree labor' but they were not slavery. Yes all kinds of people have been enslaved and discriminated against throughout world history, going way, way back, and they have been of all races, nationalities and religions, etc. But the term "White slavery" is so unspecific that it serves no purpose. For instance, the people the Romans enslaved--were they all "white"? Did they all share a common culture? No. They were very distinct peoples--language, ethnicity, etc. Was a Briton enslaved to a Roman the same as a Nabatean (from current day Jordan) enslaved by a Roman? How about a Carthaginian (North African berbers) and a Gaul (French)? Were they all the same because they were "White"? The color of their skin was not important--that wasn't the variable they used to determine slavery--one's status vis-à-vis the Roman Empire was what mattered. Obviously, not all slavery at all times has been based on race, although the most recent, largest, and most advanced slave system ever in the world (African slavery in the Americas from circa 1550 to 1880s) clearly was. And we are still living with the aftereffects of this system--lingering racism and inequality in numerous countries. 'White' is also essentially an Western European and American identity construction. Russians don't think of themselves as "white," nor do Hungarians, or Greeks, or Cyprians, or Italians, or Finns, etc. They don't all share the same language, religion, culture or identity as, say, people from Colorado or New Hampshire. "White" assumes cultural homogeneity as well as skin color, and assumes there isn't some other way groups identify themselves other than by race. The only people hung up on "White slavery" are usually Americans who feel Blacks in their country are getting preferential treatment because of their supposed 'victim' status--that they underwent slavery and Jim Crow segregation and therefore their rights require legal protection. And these proponents are actually upset about the loss of 'white entitlement'--they think it's a raw deal that they are not getting some kind of imagined 'perques' they feel African Americans get. They feel cheated so they comb through history to find examples of "whites" being oppressed and use it as a justification for repealing civil liberties extended to African Americans. My ID is Breeze009. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Breeze009 ( talk • contribs) 03:16, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
These indentured servants were criminals, political dissidents and people who couldn't afford the trip to the new world. This is what is taught, because it can be proven. Moreover, it is still going on.
July 14 2014, The concept of creating special benefits to persons of any race due to genealogical heritage is promotion of racism, nepotism, and aristocracy. I would have to disagree with Breeze009's argument, the argument made is weak seeing as Africa through out history is a content that contained many races and languages long before slavery ever took hold. There is great arrogance to believe that one race being abducted and enslaved is not equal to the plight of another race that was abducted and enslaved is further evidence of racism. White slavery, Caucasian slavery, political prisoner slavery, indentured servant. These are all forms of slavery, where rights have been taken or stolen with fraudulent documentation when needed or no documentation at all. While even today there is the legal precept that one can enter into contract and give up their rights, if said rights are natural and unalienable, no person could ever sign their rights away, as such no court could ever order a person to labor or be subject to a debt that cannot be repaid. As such credit systems would fail along with mortgages and auto loans,forcing real market prices based upon manufacturing costs not what the market can bear due to credit inflation. Debt slavery is the nuanced adaptation of slavery practices used globally against all races of people by those with the power and resources to enforce it. While the conditions are pleasurable by comparison to the torture and outright murder those experienced in earlier eras, the precept of mans unalienable right to the listed "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" would outlaw credit systems, it's important to pay attention to the declaration of independence as it also has the line "among them" meaning that there are likely more rights that could be listed. It does not naturally relate that a free market or capitalist market would charge more because someone else is paying, debt as such is a socialized form of governance that has lead to insurance. The origins of America were entrepreneurship, by means of work, save, buy, expand, very quickly after it's independence England conspired to corrupt the American nation subsidizing a slave industry that guaranteed inequality and undermined human rights. This information can be found by researching the commissioning of slave vessels, and the use of the Caribbean islands mainly owned by England as import locations. This line from the Atlantic slave trade wiki really puts this into perspective "The first Africans imported to the English colonies were classified as "indentured servants,"" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirk Greninger ( talk • contribs) 19:25, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Nov. 30th, 2016 Looking back at the history of indentured servitude, many convicts were entitled to this form of free labor. However, convicts were not the only indentured servants, and to say that they are the "only" ones is ignorant. In our history, many labor movements proved that the greatest population of indentured servants came from the Chinese and Indians. Looking at the global scale, the British were the developers of this system, which became implemented in America after slavery was abolished. There is a concrete evidence in history of Chinese immigrants moving to California and being bound to contracts (indentured servitude). These immigrants were usually bound for a limitless amount of time. They worked on rail roads and jobs that required very hard physical labor. In our society today, I do not believe it is relevant to say that taking away someones rights means they partake in the term indentured servant. A prisoner in America still has rights. What you have described is more of a terrorist who has no rights because he is declared a "terrorist." As a matter of fact, prisoners are not indentured servants because they still receive benefits from American tax dollars. They do not work for "free" because they work for food and to pay off their debt to society for the actions they committed. Indentured servitude is not slavery because, in slavery, one race is oppressing the other in every aspect of life. The oppressed race are not granted rights and are seen as aliens. You have included some lines of the Declaration of Independence in an attempt to prove your case, but you are not clearly stating the connection between indentured servitude in connection to slavery and race. The forms of servitude correlate with one another, but are different in nature as seen in history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miketsangasong ( talk • contribs) —Preceding undated comment added 23:38, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
I just added a little about Post-emancipation indenture in the Caribbean, though there's a lot more to said. I'll try to add more when I'm less sleepy. I'm pretty inexperienced with contributing, so it may need some editing by the more experienced of you out there. Also, is there anyone out there who's familiar with indenture in South and East Africa or in the Pacific or Indian Oceans? Oh, and does anyone else think the line, "Even the islands themselves had become deadly disease death traps for the white servants." should be changed? "Deadly disease death traps" sounds overly dramatic, but I'm not confident enough to make non-grammatical changes to other people's contributions yet. Miraclediver 06:21, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Could there be female indentured servants in Chappell Hill, Texas (or any Texas town) when they hired Poles to come over and take the place of the freed slaves? And if so what would they have done? Does anybody know? Jim Bart
Maybe "indentured servitude" could describe higher ed in USSR. People did not pay for education, if they were good enough at passing exams and studying to get enlisted - they were even PAID for being students, albeit not much. However after graduating they were obligated to work several years "by distribution" among enterprises booking high-educated youth. After few years you could move away, however chances were that during those very young years person would settle in place and would not move away even after nominally being as free to do as other citizens. Also just-married or not-yet-married couples saw hardships about being "distributed" together. There was no re-selling though. If enterprise demanded state to dispatch them a specialist, re-selling would be proving the demand was fraudulent. One more dimension was travelling abroad, and "Jewish question". With Israel then actively repatriating Jews from everywhere, USSR started demanding paying back the High Education costs before going out of USSR (or working through at some bad "distribution" place, which would hold the whole family inside USSR for years to come). And since the state was the sole provider of H.E. the prices were arbitrary. Were they justified or prohibited - was a matter of belief not about reasonable checking.
The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 ( talk) 14:29, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Indentured servant →
Indentured servitude – Our other related articles (
Indentured servitude in the Americas,
Indentured servitude in Pennsylvania,
Indentured servitude in Virginia) agree with the proposed title, and articles on similar topics don't have names like
Involuntary servant,
Slave,
Wage slave,
Conscript,
Penal labourer or
Wage labourer. "servant" appears in this article in the singular only twice (the title and the first sentence) while "servitude" appears ten times in the article text alone. Under the current title, the first sentence is also ungrammatical, as [a]n [...] indentured labor
is not a thing, nor is it synonymous with the current title.
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09:51, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
This section was brutal. I removed text (and associated sources) that implied the non-existence of slavery and other dubiousness, as well as other unreferenced text. Alfie Gandon ( talk) 16:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Hawaii maintaned a system of indentured servitude with Chinese Coolies brought from China at least through the 1890s.
https://www.hawaii.edu/uhwo/clear/home/HawaiiLaborHistory.html
From June 21st, 1850 laborers were subject to a strict law known as the Masters and Servants Law. Under the provisions of this law, enacted just a few weeks after the founding of the Royal Hawaiian Agricultural Society, two different forms of labor contracts were legalized, apprenticeships and indentured service. Under this law, absenteeism or refusal to work could cause a contract laborer to be apprehended by the district magistrate or police officer and subsequently sentenced to work for the employer an extra amount of time after the contract expired, usually double the time of the absence. For those contract laborers who found conditions unbearable and tried to run away, again the law permitted their employers "coercive force" to apprehend them, and their contracts on the plantation would be extended by double the period of time they had been away. If such a worker then refused to serve, he could be jailed and sentenced to hard labor until he gave in. The law, therefore, made it virtually impossible for the workers to organize labor unions or to participate in strikes. Indeed, the law was only a slight improvement over outright slavery.
-- Patbahn ( talk) 20:16, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello,
My name is Kayla Wilson, and i wanted to briefly introduce myself as well as my assignment i have been working on. I am in my second semester at San Diego Mesa College and am currently enrolled in History 109 (american history) Our sole assignment for this semester is to choose a topic within the subjects that have been discussed in class throughout the semester. I have chosen to discuss about Indentured Servants. After narrowing down a topic we were to research a similar topic within wikipedia, and then decide what we can add to the article found. I have chosen specifically this wikipedia article on Indentured Servitude to focus on. I have reviewed this article and i would like to contribute to its content. I believe there should be a separate link of its own to focus on Indentured Servitude in Virginia I would like to provide some useful information and resources to help create this individual link for the Indentured Servitude in Virginia. 2600:8801:950B:CA00:2042:65A5:E980:B368 ( talk) 18:47, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
User:Hijiri88 you wrote above in the section " Requested move 8 February 2017" "indentured labor is not a thing". A simple Google book search "Indentured+labour" "Indentured+labour" returns may books on the subject. Taking the first book returned as an example:
Please explain how you reached you conclusion? -- PBS ( talk) 19:45, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
the first sentence is ungrammatical, as "an indentured labor" is not a thing.
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"In 1643, the white population of Barbados was 37,200[22] (86% of the population).[23]"
Why was this statement added to the article? It just comes out of the blue without rhyme or reason. It doesn't refer to indentured servitude in any way, implicitly or otherwise. Are we to assume that the entire population of Barbados was indentured, of which 86% were white? Ealtram ( talk) 02:19, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
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submitted by user:PoliticalHack but reverted by -- StanZegel 20:27, 26 August 2005 (UTC):
The article presently conclues with "In the United States, indentured servitude was abolished along with slavery when the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution passed in 1865" but that Amendment abolished "slavery or involuntary servitude" and indentures were voluntary. I think it safest to remove the paragraph. Thoughts?-- StanZegel 19:18, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
RE: Anyway we can lose the following obviously subjective statements?
"In modern times, Indentured servitude is limited to the military service of certain countries where the poor are disproportionately induced to agree to a fixed term of service in exchange for accomidation, food, and often education; a contract which may be enforced by the use of imprisonment.
Military service can become involuntary Slavery when soldiers are compelled to continue their service beyond the term of agreement. Modern indentured servitude and military slavery are opposed by liberals. Supporters often include those who benefit most from this slavery, including big oil interests and the politicians they financially support, many of whom have evaded service themselves and or helped their children evade military service."
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Time does have a way of healing things, sometimes by surprise. The article's paragraph on the effects of the 13th Amendment was the subject of this string -- greatly helped by the research by David Iwancio. As a result of his excellent contributrion, it would be more accurate to have the paragraph in question read "In the United States, indentured servitude was effectively abolished but the Anti-Peonage Act (1867) passed under the powers granted by the Thirteenth Amendment (1865) to the United States Constitution" but when going back to the article to make such a correction, we find that the original paragraph has completely disappeared in the course of the various rewriting and editing that meanwhile was taking place! This makes the point moot for now, but extremely educational. If anyone adds a reference to the 13th Amendment in the future, this discussion can guide them. -- StanZegel 16:43, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
At least in the US, I don't see indentured servitude as being "unfree labour". I believe that using this term is POV. IS can be unfree labour, but it isn't in all cases which is how the opening paragraph leads one to believe. Any objections to changing the text so this is weakened? Kyaa the Catlord 08:06, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Was there indentured servitude in England? Did servants work the farms there? How did plantation servitude evolve in America? How much was colonial indentured servitude based on English tradition?
There are too many unawsered questions here. --
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23:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
I think some rough economic data would be helpful, perhaps broken down by century. The cost of a voyage and the cost of the 50 acres of land or so was exchanged for 7 years of labor. I think it would be very interesting to be able to calculate what his would be like in today's terms. 7 years median US income is about $280K or 140K pounds. In the year 1650, how many pounds sterling is that in England? I would guess that it would be about 35 pounds but that is a rough estimate. I would rather hear an expert's take on it, with some citations for the values. Sandwich Eater 17:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Reading Hoffman's wikipedia page I cannot imagine that his claims are without controversy. I think that should be noted in the article. Sandwich Eater 17:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Someone should edit out all the advertisments for that damned movie. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.141.19.238 ( talk) 00:25, 25 February 2007 (UTC).
I have just removed the spam. Mrslippery 17:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
This site says the following:
Do they make a fair point? - Ta bu shi da yu 08:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
A reference to that has been "dropped in" without much explanation, in a place where it seems out of place. I'm going to do some research on this, and see what I can dig up. --♣ Transfinite( Talk) 04:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Would someone please elaborate upon the relationship between indentured servitude and apprenticeship? I had ancestors who were both, and my understanding always has been that the one definitely did not have anything to do with the other. Right now the article reads,
-- but I am not sure that this is so. The distinction, as I understand it, is that an indentured servant certainly had greater hope than a slave did, although she/he had a lowest-possible social status in a somewhat socially-snobbish society -- my own understanding is that most indentures provided for household workers, and were not any sort of guarantee of eventual career-track employment as apprentices.
Not so? -- Kessler 23:57, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
In the beginning, it talks about indentured servituded as if it were good. It isn't, and it wasn't. And frankly, most people will probably only read the first part —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dinoisme ( talk • contribs) 01:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC).
Could someone please just rewrite the article? I thought it was poorly written, unorganized and lacked historical context. I think this would be more productive than the bickering that is going on about it.
Some discussion as to why, if it was such a horrible system, so many people volunteered for it would good, too.
If there's a question about the preference of indentured servitude, then I suggest one look to the non-English countries of Europe for the living conditions and prospects of the peasantry in that manorial system first before commenting. Certainly, for the French and Spanish the prospect of eventual land ownership was enticing. LTC David J. Cormier ( talk) 15:54, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Educate me - as I read above, the military draft could be construed as a form of indenture. Why not?? -- Dumarest 20:50, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
While a number of indentures were enforced by the courts of the time, there were also a large enough number of voluntary indentures by people attempting to buy passage for themselves and their families to the New World. Conscriptees by definition aren't voluntary enlistees. Also, one must look to see if there are 'mustering out benefits' upon completion of the contract. Nice point to ponder, though. LTC David J. Cormier ( talk) 15:58, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Wiki editor N2e stated that the reference Immigration into Pennsylvania Through the Port of Philadelphia, 1700-1775, Genealogical Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1979. is "clearly not the most reliable published source for such a general claim since the reference only covers one period of time, for one ethnic group, through one port, in a single country." Actually, The Diffenderffer book describes the indenturing process in detail for immigrants from Ireland, not only from Germany. I added a second reference, which is an autobiography annotated by editors Susan Klepp and Gordon Smith. In Preface section "Labor and Migration", pages xix-xx, the editors state: "at least half of all European migrants to the British North American colonies during the eighteenth century, ...signed a contract called an indenture. By this agreement, an immigrant worked as a servant for between three and seven years for a designated master." The book then describes the indenturing process used by "thousands of others to emigrate to the New World...". Greensburger ( talk) 21:54, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
"Like slaves, servants could not marry without the permission of their owner, were subject to physical punishment (like many young ordinary servants), and saw their obligation to labor enforced by the courts." ?????? 85.96.53.106 ( talk) 17:41, 8 April 2011 (UTC
Cromwell's Irish who were "Barbadosed", in time we have forgotten that yes some were indentured yet some were sold as outright slaves until death. Furthermore, some of those that were indentured by Cromwell were never given a time period and labored until the end of their lives. (O'Callaghan, S. To Hell or Barbados. Brandon Books Pub. Ltd., 2001) (McCafferty, K. Testimony of an Irish Slave Girl. Viking Press. 2002.) Orasis ( talk) 00:01, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
We can also look at Serfdom, all pretexts aside, those people most of whom were of European/White descent were slaves.
There are document instances. How many instances? Documented instances can be counted, I can't cite this.
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I re-added the Wikipedia requisite bolded title to the lede. Somebody seems to have deleted it, as well as the reference to unfree labor, which is precisely what indentured servitude is. It is not slavery, but not free labor either; the term defines unfree labor as specifically including contractually-mandated labor designed to "work off" a debt, in this case the debt of travel costs from Europe to the colonies. Again by contract, the laborers were considered as the same status as children or "indigent workers", both of which were subject to the whims of their employer, including free application of corporal punishment and other punishments no free man would stand for. Please don't delete it again. The term was created with indentured servitude specifically in mind. Vintovka Dragunova ( talk) 19:31, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
end of text.. This appears confusing..
>>>these servants had virtually dissolved in America by the early 1800s and were eventually outlawed in the United States before the turn of the 19th century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.52.133.249 ( talk) 00:04, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
After having read this article it strikes me as odd that there can be so much emphasis on the slavery aspects and no mention whatsoever of the fact that many of the "servants" sent here by Britain were actually convicted criminals and until the revolution North America was being used as British penal colony and indentured servitude was a large part of that program.
Since the article on penal colonies links here for more information one would think that it would be addressed in some manner on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.10.173.190 ( talk) 17:13, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the following statements as they have been tagged "citation needed" or "original research" for several months:
If anyone can find sources to back them up, feel free to re-add them. — An gr If you've written a quality article... 10:07, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I just found a source for*The term Barbadosed was coined for these actions, and Redlegs for the group concerned. http://www.yale.edu/glc/tangledroots/Barbadosed.htm Now where was that quote... I'm heading into the history to find it. Ollie Garkey ( talk) 19:31, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
hey, there have been a few cases of african indentured servitude, but there has been not much to mention of the surnames of these africans or the transmission of culture on to the descendants. i have read about the Kumina religion in Jamaica being based on the religion of the indentured servants but not about their culture or the keeping of specific cultural attributes like kinship etc. please feel free to email me(doms_bakk@hotmail.com) for any info. Domsta333 02:51, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
The article currently claims that indentured servitude is illegal within the USA, which is generally but not completely true. I did a bit of research last year and found a document containing language that demonstrates the indentured nature of military service (which I feel I should point out is significantly different from slavery). Yet when I post these facts, they are deleted as irrelevant. I would like some advice on how we can work together to improve this article. Thanks, Mwenechanga ( talk) 22:44, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Should this article discuss the "indentures" on legal documents that gave the term its name? ~~RKH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.21.242.75 ( talk) 19:15, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Was it legal in any Western country to treat indentured servants as slaves? Could they be forced to work so hard that they were completely worn out before the end of their contracts? Could they be sexually abused, locked up, battered, possibly even killed, without running any risk of being put on trial for it? I just wondered if there was any real difference between being an indentured servant and being a slave? 2015-12-31 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.
The word "treat" should not be overinterpreted. (I have ssen a lot of people complaining about treatment which is not actually comparabale to what they call it.) What I really wondered was if indentured servants were in practice as lacking in legal rights as slaves. This really seem to have been the case on Barbados. Anyone which know any other place or area where this was the case? 2015-12-31 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.
"One could buy and sell indentured servants' contracts, and the right to their labor would change hands, but not the person as a piece of property."
Now, that may have been the case in the United States. But It was not the case for all Slaves in Rome or Serfs in Europe. They were property.
Because Indentured servants were considered property, indentured labor is also an output of property. How is this different from slavery? This should just become a lease on slaves--thus taking away the risk of loss of property(the death of slaves) and allows for better production value.
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Why does white slavery (historical) redirect to indentured servitude? It was not indentured servitude, it was slavery, pure and simple. Until the 1800s the majority of slaves in the Americas were Irish or Scottish, not Africans. These historical facts deserve to have an article, not to be swept under the rug. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.208.84.136 ( talk) 08:24, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
How is slavery "pure and simple? You can't rewrite history. My professor is correct. I cannot use this as a source.
This statement is factually untrue. However, the redlegs are an example of white slavery as caused by Cromwell. White slavery is not indentured servitude, and it is often ignored. Which leads to misunderstandings like those expressed in the preceding statement. The link should be changed. Ollie Garkey ( talk) 16:13, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I agree. The white slavery article should not forward to indentured servitude. It is well known that Rome, Greece, England etc, used White slaves. They were not "servants." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.130.189.213 ( talk) 22:59, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Although the majority of slaves in the Americas were not Scottish or Irish, they did exist. Ok, please cite it. Please.
I too agree that to forward the 'White slavery' page automatically to the indentured servitude one is highly irresponsible and historically inaccurate. White slaves did exist and they were in no way indentured servants, they were whole property unto death. They were slaves. Orasis ( talk) 23:15, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
There are a lot of factually incorrect statements in this article, particularly under the heading "America." Most indentured servants were not teenagers, they were children. They were typically aged between 6 and 11 years old when they were shipped from England to the US under the belief that they would have a better life in the US. A HUGE majoraty didn't survive the crossing and even fewer lived to see their days as a free person. I cannot link to this because it is all the archives in Virgina...but the book (your 1st source) is not an adequate source I'm afraid. The records are there in their orignal form in Virgina and this article is grossly midleading. It suggests that being an indentured servant was favourable and most servants benefitted from it. It wasn't wasn't and they didn't and as such you are doing a disservice to those that were part of it and those that wish to understand it by getting your facts wrong. Shh071 ( talk) 05:29, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Think about the opportunity cost of having one more body aboard the ship. There was very little difference in cost for the captain to have 15 or 20 boys, so in hopes that he could sell more contracts they would usually overload. Huge majority does sound like an overstatement to me though. 140.146.36.185 ( talk) 15:59, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
July 11, 2013: Well to just blow this thing wide open, "White slavery" is not only largely a fallacy, its a pretty meaningless term. What "White Slavery" enthusiasts call slavery was in fact, in almost all cases, 16th to 19th century indentured servitude, convict labor, or serfdom--all of which are different forms of 'unfree labor' but they were not slavery. Yes all kinds of people have been enslaved and discriminated against throughout world history, going way, way back, and they have been of all races, nationalities and religions, etc. But the term "White slavery" is so unspecific that it serves no purpose. For instance, the people the Romans enslaved--were they all "white"? Did they all share a common culture? No. They were very distinct peoples--language, ethnicity, etc. Was a Briton enslaved to a Roman the same as a Nabatean (from current day Jordan) enslaved by a Roman? How about a Carthaginian (North African berbers) and a Gaul (French)? Were they all the same because they were "White"? The color of their skin was not important--that wasn't the variable they used to determine slavery--one's status vis-à-vis the Roman Empire was what mattered. Obviously, not all slavery at all times has been based on race, although the most recent, largest, and most advanced slave system ever in the world (African slavery in the Americas from circa 1550 to 1880s) clearly was. And we are still living with the aftereffects of this system--lingering racism and inequality in numerous countries. 'White' is also essentially an Western European and American identity construction. Russians don't think of themselves as "white," nor do Hungarians, or Greeks, or Cyprians, or Italians, or Finns, etc. They don't all share the same language, religion, culture or identity as, say, people from Colorado or New Hampshire. "White" assumes cultural homogeneity as well as skin color, and assumes there isn't some other way groups identify themselves other than by race. The only people hung up on "White slavery" are usually Americans who feel Blacks in their country are getting preferential treatment because of their supposed 'victim' status--that they underwent slavery and Jim Crow segregation and therefore their rights require legal protection. And these proponents are actually upset about the loss of 'white entitlement'--they think it's a raw deal that they are not getting some kind of imagined 'perques' they feel African Americans get. They feel cheated so they comb through history to find examples of "whites" being oppressed and use it as a justification for repealing civil liberties extended to African Americans. My ID is Breeze009. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Breeze009 ( talk • contribs) 03:16, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
These indentured servants were criminals, political dissidents and people who couldn't afford the trip to the new world. This is what is taught, because it can be proven. Moreover, it is still going on.
July 14 2014, The concept of creating special benefits to persons of any race due to genealogical heritage is promotion of racism, nepotism, and aristocracy. I would have to disagree with Breeze009's argument, the argument made is weak seeing as Africa through out history is a content that contained many races and languages long before slavery ever took hold. There is great arrogance to believe that one race being abducted and enslaved is not equal to the plight of another race that was abducted and enslaved is further evidence of racism. White slavery, Caucasian slavery, political prisoner slavery, indentured servant. These are all forms of slavery, where rights have been taken or stolen with fraudulent documentation when needed or no documentation at all. While even today there is the legal precept that one can enter into contract and give up their rights, if said rights are natural and unalienable, no person could ever sign their rights away, as such no court could ever order a person to labor or be subject to a debt that cannot be repaid. As such credit systems would fail along with mortgages and auto loans,forcing real market prices based upon manufacturing costs not what the market can bear due to credit inflation. Debt slavery is the nuanced adaptation of slavery practices used globally against all races of people by those with the power and resources to enforce it. While the conditions are pleasurable by comparison to the torture and outright murder those experienced in earlier eras, the precept of mans unalienable right to the listed "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" would outlaw credit systems, it's important to pay attention to the declaration of independence as it also has the line "among them" meaning that there are likely more rights that could be listed. It does not naturally relate that a free market or capitalist market would charge more because someone else is paying, debt as such is a socialized form of governance that has lead to insurance. The origins of America were entrepreneurship, by means of work, save, buy, expand, very quickly after it's independence England conspired to corrupt the American nation subsidizing a slave industry that guaranteed inequality and undermined human rights. This information can be found by researching the commissioning of slave vessels, and the use of the Caribbean islands mainly owned by England as import locations. This line from the Atlantic slave trade wiki really puts this into perspective "The first Africans imported to the English colonies were classified as "indentured servants,"" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirk Greninger ( talk • contribs) 19:25, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Nov. 30th, 2016 Looking back at the history of indentured servitude, many convicts were entitled to this form of free labor. However, convicts were not the only indentured servants, and to say that they are the "only" ones is ignorant. In our history, many labor movements proved that the greatest population of indentured servants came from the Chinese and Indians. Looking at the global scale, the British were the developers of this system, which became implemented in America after slavery was abolished. There is a concrete evidence in history of Chinese immigrants moving to California and being bound to contracts (indentured servitude). These immigrants were usually bound for a limitless amount of time. They worked on rail roads and jobs that required very hard physical labor. In our society today, I do not believe it is relevant to say that taking away someones rights means they partake in the term indentured servant. A prisoner in America still has rights. What you have described is more of a terrorist who has no rights because he is declared a "terrorist." As a matter of fact, prisoners are not indentured servants because they still receive benefits from American tax dollars. They do not work for "free" because they work for food and to pay off their debt to society for the actions they committed. Indentured servitude is not slavery because, in slavery, one race is oppressing the other in every aspect of life. The oppressed race are not granted rights and are seen as aliens. You have included some lines of the Declaration of Independence in an attempt to prove your case, but you are not clearly stating the connection between indentured servitude in connection to slavery and race. The forms of servitude correlate with one another, but are different in nature as seen in history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miketsangasong ( talk • contribs) —Preceding undated comment added 23:38, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
I just added a little about Post-emancipation indenture in the Caribbean, though there's a lot more to said. I'll try to add more when I'm less sleepy. I'm pretty inexperienced with contributing, so it may need some editing by the more experienced of you out there. Also, is there anyone out there who's familiar with indenture in South and East Africa or in the Pacific or Indian Oceans? Oh, and does anyone else think the line, "Even the islands themselves had become deadly disease death traps for the white servants." should be changed? "Deadly disease death traps" sounds overly dramatic, but I'm not confident enough to make non-grammatical changes to other people's contributions yet. Miraclediver 06:21, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Could there be female indentured servants in Chappell Hill, Texas (or any Texas town) when they hired Poles to come over and take the place of the freed slaves? And if so what would they have done? Does anybody know? Jim Bart
Maybe "indentured servitude" could describe higher ed in USSR. People did not pay for education, if they were good enough at passing exams and studying to get enlisted - they were even PAID for being students, albeit not much. However after graduating they were obligated to work several years "by distribution" among enterprises booking high-educated youth. After few years you could move away, however chances were that during those very young years person would settle in place and would not move away even after nominally being as free to do as other citizens. Also just-married or not-yet-married couples saw hardships about being "distributed" together. There was no re-selling though. If enterprise demanded state to dispatch them a specialist, re-selling would be proving the demand was fraudulent. One more dimension was travelling abroad, and "Jewish question". With Israel then actively repatriating Jews from everywhere, USSR started demanding paying back the High Education costs before going out of USSR (or working through at some bad "distribution" place, which would hold the whole family inside USSR for years to come). And since the state was the sole provider of H.E. the prices were arbitrary. Were they justified or prohibited - was a matter of belief not about reasonable checking.
The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 ( talk) 14:29, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Indentured servant →
Indentured servitude – Our other related articles (
Indentured servitude in the Americas,
Indentured servitude in Pennsylvania,
Indentured servitude in Virginia) agree with the proposed title, and articles on similar topics don't have names like
Involuntary servant,
Slave,
Wage slave,
Conscript,
Penal labourer or
Wage labourer. "servant" appears in this article in the singular only twice (the title and the first sentence) while "servitude" appears ten times in the article text alone. Under the current title, the first sentence is also ungrammatical, as [a]n [...] indentured labor
is not a thing, nor is it synonymous with the current title.
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This section was brutal. I removed text (and associated sources) that implied the non-existence of slavery and other dubiousness, as well as other unreferenced text. Alfie Gandon ( talk) 16:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Hawaii maintaned a system of indentured servitude with Chinese Coolies brought from China at least through the 1890s.
https://www.hawaii.edu/uhwo/clear/home/HawaiiLaborHistory.html
From June 21st, 1850 laborers were subject to a strict law known as the Masters and Servants Law. Under the provisions of this law, enacted just a few weeks after the founding of the Royal Hawaiian Agricultural Society, two different forms of labor contracts were legalized, apprenticeships and indentured service. Under this law, absenteeism or refusal to work could cause a contract laborer to be apprehended by the district magistrate or police officer and subsequently sentenced to work for the employer an extra amount of time after the contract expired, usually double the time of the absence. For those contract laborers who found conditions unbearable and tried to run away, again the law permitted their employers "coercive force" to apprehend them, and their contracts on the plantation would be extended by double the period of time they had been away. If such a worker then refused to serve, he could be jailed and sentenced to hard labor until he gave in. The law, therefore, made it virtually impossible for the workers to organize labor unions or to participate in strikes. Indeed, the law was only a slight improvement over outright slavery.
-- Patbahn ( talk) 20:16, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello,
My name is Kayla Wilson, and i wanted to briefly introduce myself as well as my assignment i have been working on. I am in my second semester at San Diego Mesa College and am currently enrolled in History 109 (american history) Our sole assignment for this semester is to choose a topic within the subjects that have been discussed in class throughout the semester. I have chosen to discuss about Indentured Servants. After narrowing down a topic we were to research a similar topic within wikipedia, and then decide what we can add to the article found. I have chosen specifically this wikipedia article on Indentured Servitude to focus on. I have reviewed this article and i would like to contribute to its content. I believe there should be a separate link of its own to focus on Indentured Servitude in Virginia I would like to provide some useful information and resources to help create this individual link for the Indentured Servitude in Virginia. 2600:8801:950B:CA00:2042:65A5:E980:B368 ( talk) 18:47, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
User:Hijiri88 you wrote above in the section " Requested move 8 February 2017" "indentured labor is not a thing". A simple Google book search "Indentured+labour" "Indentured+labour" returns may books on the subject. Taking the first book returned as an example:
Please explain how you reached you conclusion? -- PBS ( talk) 19:45, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
the first sentence is ungrammatical, as "an indentured labor" is not a thing.
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"In 1643, the white population of Barbados was 37,200[22] (86% of the population).[23]"
Why was this statement added to the article? It just comes out of the blue without rhyme or reason. It doesn't refer to indentured servitude in any way, implicitly or otherwise. Are we to assume that the entire population of Barbados was indentured, of which 86% were white? Ealtram ( talk) 02:19, 5 June 2020 (UTC)