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The link to "Excremental" redirects to "Feces." Can it be removed, or is there a better article to link to? Hac13 ( talk) 05:49, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with calling this feature "Non-modal incremental find". It's quite modal, and the biggest drawback is that it's modal without being a dialog, leading to mode error. -- User:Jesse Ruderman
What are the origins of this type of feature? I remember hearing once that Emacsen pioneered this, but I'm not at all sure. -- maru (talk) contribs 04:47, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
EMACS had this in the 1970s; it was called "incremental search". It was modal: you type ctrl-S to begin, the prompt says "I-Search:" and you start typing. As you type (or delete), it scrolls through the buffer to the matching string; you exit by typing ESC or any editing command. This version of EMACS was written in TECO on the PDP-10, not sure who created this particular feature. The (much fancier) version of emacs on the Lisp Machine also had this, about 1977. I think EMACS may have coined the term "incremental search", by the way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.13.229.185 ( talk) 19:10, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
The oldest documented mention of Emacs having an incremental search is in a 1978 document, linked from this very article. But as with most ideas and inventions, not just in software but in any endeavor, Emacs most surely built upon similar precursor ideas. Here's an example of an incremental search of the autocompletion variety from the DSD console driver program for Control Data Corporation (CDC) Cyber mainframe computers dating from the mid-1960s. This particular quoted section is from a 1975 printing of a KRONOS 2.1 manual, linked here: [1]. Quote: "DSD is an interpretive display driver. When a console operator is typing a command, DSD completes the command as soon as it recognizes enough characters to establish the uniqueness of the command." 73.164.110.30 ( talk) 03:30, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
The article claims that incremental find is available in less, but it doesn't seem to be available in version 406 of less. Does anyone know if there exists a version of less that supports incremental find?
A similar article called word wheeling exists. I would like you guys to have a look at it. -- Kushal t 19:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
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Non-modal incremental find is found in:
Modern operating systems:
Is Linux just omitted is does it really not have it? ʄ!• ¿talk? 17:25, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
The term "incremental search" seems far more common than "incremental find": Google ["incremental search" -wikipedia] 90,500 vs. ["incremental find" -wikipedia] 34,900. In Google Books: 671/40. Though there are admittedly other meanings for "incremental search", scanning the results seems to show that "incremental search" is still more common in this sense than "incremental find" is; moreover, it is the name in Emacs, which originated it and is still in wide use. I suggest the article be moved. -- macrakis ( talk) 21:44, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
My notes - that described (briefly) the fact that web based searches used non-local resources as opposed to local resources - have been edited out by Macrakis. The casual observer will now be left wondering why web searches use more resources. It is a very important point and has been covered in numerous blogs and criticisms of Google Instant for example.
This is what I had added:-
While offline (or private network) incremental searches utilize mainly "local" resources (such as a single personal computer's processor and its attached peripherals such as hard disks), an incremental web searches represents a paradigm shift in the scope of such a search.
An incremental search on the "Google web space" involves enlisting a global network of resources (including worldwide communications, online databases etc) and consumes bandwidth even during the time a user is entering individual keystrokes. The implications for efficiency are significant since, at the level of keystrokes (as opposed to whole words or phrases), the number of false positives is intrinsically quite high until more of the entire search key is eventually entered or selected. This will inevitably consume more resources (and use more energy) than would have occured on a full search key [2] [3]
A further disadvantage to web based incremental searches is the insurmountable problem of varying response times in relation to a users latent typing speed and, to some extent at least, "thinking" speed (since searches are often typed " on-the-fly"). If the response time is slowed (due to poor connection or other delays), the user may experience some disorientation effecting the overall " user experience" of the interface.
I believe my changes should be put back in. (unsigned comment by User:86.142.127.235 2011-09-16T08:15:18)
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The link to "Excremental" redirects to "Feces." Can it be removed, or is there a better article to link to? Hac13 ( talk) 05:49, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with calling this feature "Non-modal incremental find". It's quite modal, and the biggest drawback is that it's modal without being a dialog, leading to mode error. -- User:Jesse Ruderman
What are the origins of this type of feature? I remember hearing once that Emacsen pioneered this, but I'm not at all sure. -- maru (talk) contribs 04:47, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
EMACS had this in the 1970s; it was called "incremental search". It was modal: you type ctrl-S to begin, the prompt says "I-Search:" and you start typing. As you type (or delete), it scrolls through the buffer to the matching string; you exit by typing ESC or any editing command. This version of EMACS was written in TECO on the PDP-10, not sure who created this particular feature. The (much fancier) version of emacs on the Lisp Machine also had this, about 1977. I think EMACS may have coined the term "incremental search", by the way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.13.229.185 ( talk) 19:10, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
The oldest documented mention of Emacs having an incremental search is in a 1978 document, linked from this very article. But as with most ideas and inventions, not just in software but in any endeavor, Emacs most surely built upon similar precursor ideas. Here's an example of an incremental search of the autocompletion variety from the DSD console driver program for Control Data Corporation (CDC) Cyber mainframe computers dating from the mid-1960s. This particular quoted section is from a 1975 printing of a KRONOS 2.1 manual, linked here: [1]. Quote: "DSD is an interpretive display driver. When a console operator is typing a command, DSD completes the command as soon as it recognizes enough characters to establish the uniqueness of the command." 73.164.110.30 ( talk) 03:30, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
The article claims that incremental find is available in less, but it doesn't seem to be available in version 406 of less. Does anyone know if there exists a version of less that supports incremental find?
A similar article called word wheeling exists. I would like you guys to have a look at it. -- Kushal t 19:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot 11:09, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Non-modal incremental find is found in:
Modern operating systems:
Is Linux just omitted is does it really not have it? ʄ!• ¿talk? 17:25, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
The term "incremental search" seems far more common than "incremental find": Google ["incremental search" -wikipedia] 90,500 vs. ["incremental find" -wikipedia] 34,900. In Google Books: 671/40. Though there are admittedly other meanings for "incremental search", scanning the results seems to show that "incremental search" is still more common in this sense than "incremental find" is; moreover, it is the name in Emacs, which originated it and is still in wide use. I suggest the article be moved. -- macrakis ( talk) 21:44, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
My notes - that described (briefly) the fact that web based searches used non-local resources as opposed to local resources - have been edited out by Macrakis. The casual observer will now be left wondering why web searches use more resources. It is a very important point and has been covered in numerous blogs and criticisms of Google Instant for example.
This is what I had added:-
While offline (or private network) incremental searches utilize mainly "local" resources (such as a single personal computer's processor and its attached peripherals such as hard disks), an incremental web searches represents a paradigm shift in the scope of such a search.
An incremental search on the "Google web space" involves enlisting a global network of resources (including worldwide communications, online databases etc) and consumes bandwidth even during the time a user is entering individual keystrokes. The implications for efficiency are significant since, at the level of keystrokes (as opposed to whole words or phrases), the number of false positives is intrinsically quite high until more of the entire search key is eventually entered or selected. This will inevitably consume more resources (and use more energy) than would have occured on a full search key [2] [3]
A further disadvantage to web based incremental searches is the insurmountable problem of varying response times in relation to a users latent typing speed and, to some extent at least, "thinking" speed (since searches are often typed " on-the-fly"). If the response time is slowed (due to poor connection or other delays), the user may experience some disorientation effecting the overall " user experience" of the interface.
I believe my changes should be put back in. (unsigned comment by User:86.142.127.235 2011-09-16T08:15:18)
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