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I am surprised that the Jewish aspect of this concept isn't mentioned. I looked up this article to find citations to sources. I had never heard a term for it, but it has traditionally been seen as so central to Judaism that it is considered a component of the Thirteen Princples by Orthodox Jews. The convergence of "bodily resurrection" and what is defined here as incorruptibility makes them almost indistinguishable in Orthodox Judaism. I really don't want to do the research to start the appropriate section correctly, but this article should be useful. http://www.jewishchronicle.org/issues/20030926/localnews7.htm. Pay particular attention to the part about cremation. Decomposition is seen as atonement for sins. The fewer sins a person commits, the less "chibut kever" (rattling of the grave) that person gets. Righteousness, at least to the Orthodox, is proven by the lack of decomposition. I have also seen this cited (I think in the Jewish Book of Why) as the reason why Jewish funerals/grave visits do not include flowers, but rather placing stones on the grave. 75.3.236.44 ( talk) 07:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
The phenonmenon has many precedents is Islam too I believe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Conspirisi ( talk • contribs) 15:46, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
check out answer to q7 http://www.islamicacademy.org/html/Books/GLIS/bzk.htm
Just a question, but should this article also deal with instances where a specific body part was found incorruptible? (Typically a heart, but other instances are also in folklore/religion) Sherurcij ( talk) ( Terrorist Wikiproject) 05:02, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Given that incorruptability is mythic, I find it odd that the Wikipedia choses to discuss it as if it were real. The section on "causes of incorruptability" is hardly good writing. Its a bit as if we had an article on flat Earth mythology that discussed "why the Earth is flat" as if it truly was flat. sotonohito
Seems kinda mythic doesn't it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheKnight27 ( talk • contribs) 13:13, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
I have to agree with the original post. This is obviously a complex biochemical issue specific to one or more unique attributes of a persons physiology. The article writes not from an objective, descriptive stance but from the fantastical theistic point - something that goes against the nature of an open forum. The article needs to be completely re written in terms of history, examples and then what is really going on. Christians should not be allowed to write their own articles as if they were true, just as I cannot write an article on Christianity while openly assuming it is an emergent property of human cultural and biological evolution. Either present both 'opinions' in a balanced way or write the entire article objectively. This is just sad.
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We have a photo of her body, yet her name does not appear in the list of incorruptible people, or anywhere else in the article. Her own article makes no reference to her incorruptibility. Does she belong here or not? JackofOz 02:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
A good example of a Saint included on the list, she left Her Body April 16th 1879.
Pictured here: http://wordbytes.org/saints/DailyPrayers/BernadetteLourdes.jpg
Pictured on the cover of this a thorough study of the Incorruption of the Bodies. The (1) Deliberately preserved, (2) Accidentally preserved and (3) The Incorruptibles (i.e. Saint Bernadette): http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895550660?tag2=sacreddestina-20
Here we have a picture of Saint Bernadette at the time of her Death in 1879: http://www.catholicpilgrims.com/lourdes/images/bernbw.jpg (photo quality from technology available at the time, in 1879;considerably very clear I think)
Here we have a picture of Saint Bernadette on June 6, 1997 (118 years later). http://www.catholicpilgrims.com/lourdes/images/bern97a.jpg http://www.catholicpilgrims.com/lourdes/ba_bernadette_intro.htm —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.54.4.102 ( talk) 12:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC).
70.54.4.102 13:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC) a_kaldas@hotmail.com 70.54.4.102 13:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The face of St Bernadette that is displayed to pilgrims is actually a wax mask. 115.166.7.71 ( talk) 01:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
John Newman has not been canonized. He's only venerable. Lexo 21:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Cabinet of Wonders posted on this subject, & included mention that the saint pictured in the article's lead has had her face "refurbished" with a wax mask. This is probably worthy of mention, but I don't have time to see if I can find a better cite than the article above. Anybody have anything? If not, I'll try to remember to come back later. -- mordicai. 17:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
This article lists Saint Cabrini to have been incorrupt, yet the main article for her explicitly says the opposite. Does anyone happen to know which version is true? I'd be happy to correct whichever article is inaccurate, but I just don't know which. J.J. Bustamante 03:06, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Just a thought, should we include the Blessed Virgin Mary in this article? She's the only one whose incorrupt state is a matter of dogmatic fact. Any thoughts? J.J. Bustamante 03:11, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
The article makes reference to "a Buddhist monk." It does nto say whom this monk is. Yet there is a case of supposedly verified incorruptibility of Hambo Lama Itigelov, a Buddhist monk exhumed in 2002.
http://www.neplaneta.ru/hamba_lama.shtml
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=3,3759,0,0,1,0
Can someone confirm this with another source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.252.225 ( talk) 23:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
On the St. Bernadette photo, an editor has changed
She is shown here with a wax mask.
to
Her incorrupt state is evident here in this recent photo.
Well, which is it? Are we looking at a wax mask or an incorrupt face? I hardly think we can have an article about incorruptibles with an illustration of a face that might not be an incorrupt face at all. The article needs to be crystal clear what we're looking at. Facts, please, not faith. EverybodyLovesSomebody ( talk) 00:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Does the claim that "bodies with low amounts of muscle and body fat tend to resist decomposition better" have any scientific validity? If having low amounts of muscle and body fat would be enough to preserve a body, wouldnt anyone who died of starvation also be preserved? Groucho2 { talk} 8:06, 17 August 2008
None
A casual glance at these bodies shows that they are dead. They look dead. A real miracle would be a body that was exactly like one of the living, while being dead, as if in a perfect sleep. Death being a sort of rest for the living. Sadly, we'll never know what happened to Christ's body in the cave. 174.88.153.133 ( talk) 16:27, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, according to the christian faith, the body walked out of the cave. Then ascended into heaven.-- 98.212.194.29 ( talk) 00:06, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
One might assume from reading the page that this was a genuine phenomenon rather than a faith based religious belief. But there are no scientifically verified cases. If someone wants to remove the statement in the opening paragraph again, they should find a scientifically verified case first. 219.90.153.231 ( talk) 22:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I wondered this, could the bodies be totally fake? Could they Wax statues or something? Shouldn't there be some incorruptible animals too, not just people? The snare ( talk) 19:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
I added a few fact tags, but is the list on this page really appropriate? None of them are really cited here. It doesn't say who is claiming incorruptibility for these saints, and often even their articles don't say it. Where does this list come from -- if it's not individually cited here, then whose list is it? I think, perhaps, we should avoid listing every claimed incorruptible here, just noting a few notable ones and leaving the rest to their individual articles. If it just copies the list from one specific book (which is linked to), I think it perhaps doesn't belong here. -- Aquillion ( talk) 06:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
There are conflicting reports about the state of Padre Pio's corpse. Most sources acknowledge that the face was covered with a wax mask while exhumed. The Vatican has also made no statement on the Saint being incorrupt. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7275514.stm 69.129.82.116 ( talk) 13:28, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
The list is a sourcing nightmare that has a lot of really old citation needed tags. Any ideas on what to do about it? BrendanFrye ( talk) 21:54, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
In the argument section, it is stated that the body is incorruptible because of God. I'd like to edit that to take out "God" and insert "Supernatural causes" or "God or some other supernatural agent" because, while all with this argument believe it is supernatural, some believers see this as the work of satan and not God. This of course is a purely theological viewpoint.
At any rate i think it would better represent the argument to replace "God" with "supernatural causes" or "God or some other supernatural cause"
therefore i am going to edit accordingly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.206.128.207 ( talk) 20:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Here is an other Saint not mentioned in the list of incorruptable saints. St. Savvas the new of Kalymnos, Greek Orthodox Church, Patriarchate of Constantinople, Metropolis of Leros, Kalymnos, and Astypalaia.
Here is a quick biography of St. Savvas the new of Kalymnos.
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Savvas_the_New_of_Kalymnos —Preceding unsigned comment added by Constantineix ( talk • contribs) 03:31, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Yes his body is incorrupt, he has been seen as incorrupt by the people and the clerics, and was one of the criteria for being sanctified by the Church (Patriach of Constantinople). St. Savva the new of Kalymnos is not very known outside the Dodecanesse region and there is very little information regarding the Saint on the internet. I will however seach around for this fact on the internet. I do have this fact in books but they are not in English, would this surfice? I have visited and seen his silver "sarcophagus" which contains his incorruptable body. The nuns open it every eve of his feast, but I never visited the monastery durring his feast. There are pictures of his "sarcophagus". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Constantineix ( talk • contribs) 19:46, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Give me some time to look around I am currently on vacations in the Caribbean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Constantineix ( talk • contribs) 19:52, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I found a picture of his incorrupt body. Perhaps you would want to add it. I do not know how to upload pictures on wiki and add them on pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Constantineix ( talk • contribs) 20:14, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
The site is. http://agiosnektarios.pblogs.gr/2009/20091101.html It containts additional information on the Saint and and a picture of his incorruptable body. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Constantineix ( talk • contribs) 20:22, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I recommend that apart from reference 3 under the "Causes" section, the article "Adipocere: What is known after over two centuries of research" published in Forensic Science International (2011) should also be included. It mentions numerous studies about the conditions in which the phenomena of saponification (understood as grave wax) takes place.
Link to the article: http://www.pawsoflife.org/Library/HRD/Ubelaker_2011.pdf Ninioelninio ( talk) 15:40, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Has anyone attempted to scientifically validate or invalidate these claims? I'm sure there must be explanations for how bodies can be preserved after death in a non-supernatural fashion. 138.16.21.199 ( talk) 20:56, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Some monks of Mount Athos believe that there is a cave there with "Latinizers" - monks who had encouraged union with the Pope - whose corpses did not corrupt but are basically turning into demons. See http://www.nytimes.com/1964/01/08/community-of-greek-monks-condemns-church-unity-talks.html -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 00:28, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
The article on St Louise de Marillac says "She is mistakenly referred to as an incorrupt saint; the body enshrined in the chapel is actually a wax effigy, containing her bones." As there is no other statement that the Catholic church declares her incorrupt anyways, I removed her from the list in the Incorruptibility article. -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 00:34, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Nothing in Clare of Assisi's article to indicate that her body was ever considered incorrupt. Removed -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 00:48, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
The word "incorruptibility" implies that a body cannot be corrupted. I think the article is more about incorruption - bodies that are in fact not corrupt. There is nothing, as far as I know, in teaching of churches that accept the possibility of incorrupt bodies of saints, that implies that those bodies would necessarily continue in that state. Many of the examples given were only incorrupt for a while -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 01:07, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
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It might count as original research, but does anyone else think the legitimacy of these incorrupt claims are worth challenging? They all look like rotting bodies. Just because a church claims they're incorrupt and has some citable sources on the matter doesn't mean it's a reliable source. A lot of these bodies have wax masks and are preserved in some way. They all look like they've been dead for a long time. Nowhere near the definition of incorrupt. It seems impossible to prove any body is truly incorrupt. 2602:306:CFC7:CB00:3C8C:52EE:8E7:A4D8 ( talk) 17:49, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
In Protestant tradition, incomplete decay is seen as a divine punishment for the sins of the person. See Christian Friedrich von Kahlbutz. So, total opposite of the Catholic tradition. Should this be mentioned, maybe as See-also? -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 11:31, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
My main criticism of this article is that it does not discuss scientific examinations of this issue or give possible explanations both for and against it. The article in my opinion lacks sufficient scientific examination. 50.225.206.126 ( talk) 20:06, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Blessed Carlo Acutis was confirmed not to be incorrupt, as the body, although "integral" (with all the parts) still nevertheless decayed, and his body is covered in a layer of wax instead. Remove from page or add as separate section?
https://aleteia.org/2023/10/09/is-the-body-of-bl-carlo-acutis-incorrupt/ ReelmsyWiki ( talk) 22:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
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I am surprised that the Jewish aspect of this concept isn't mentioned. I looked up this article to find citations to sources. I had never heard a term for it, but it has traditionally been seen as so central to Judaism that it is considered a component of the Thirteen Princples by Orthodox Jews. The convergence of "bodily resurrection" and what is defined here as incorruptibility makes them almost indistinguishable in Orthodox Judaism. I really don't want to do the research to start the appropriate section correctly, but this article should be useful. http://www.jewishchronicle.org/issues/20030926/localnews7.htm. Pay particular attention to the part about cremation. Decomposition is seen as atonement for sins. The fewer sins a person commits, the less "chibut kever" (rattling of the grave) that person gets. Righteousness, at least to the Orthodox, is proven by the lack of decomposition. I have also seen this cited (I think in the Jewish Book of Why) as the reason why Jewish funerals/grave visits do not include flowers, but rather placing stones on the grave. 75.3.236.44 ( talk) 07:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
The phenonmenon has many precedents is Islam too I believe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Conspirisi ( talk • contribs) 15:46, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
check out answer to q7 http://www.islamicacademy.org/html/Books/GLIS/bzk.htm
Just a question, but should this article also deal with instances where a specific body part was found incorruptible? (Typically a heart, but other instances are also in folklore/religion) Sherurcij ( talk) ( Terrorist Wikiproject) 05:02, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Given that incorruptability is mythic, I find it odd that the Wikipedia choses to discuss it as if it were real. The section on "causes of incorruptability" is hardly good writing. Its a bit as if we had an article on flat Earth mythology that discussed "why the Earth is flat" as if it truly was flat. sotonohito
Seems kinda mythic doesn't it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheKnight27 ( talk • contribs) 13:13, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
I have to agree with the original post. This is obviously a complex biochemical issue specific to one or more unique attributes of a persons physiology. The article writes not from an objective, descriptive stance but from the fantastical theistic point - something that goes against the nature of an open forum. The article needs to be completely re written in terms of history, examples and then what is really going on. Christians should not be allowed to write their own articles as if they were true, just as I cannot write an article on Christianity while openly assuming it is an emergent property of human cultural and biological evolution. Either present both 'opinions' in a balanced way or write the entire article objectively. This is just sad.
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We have a photo of her body, yet her name does not appear in the list of incorruptible people, or anywhere else in the article. Her own article makes no reference to her incorruptibility. Does she belong here or not? JackofOz 02:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
A good example of a Saint included on the list, she left Her Body April 16th 1879.
Pictured here: http://wordbytes.org/saints/DailyPrayers/BernadetteLourdes.jpg
Pictured on the cover of this a thorough study of the Incorruption of the Bodies. The (1) Deliberately preserved, (2) Accidentally preserved and (3) The Incorruptibles (i.e. Saint Bernadette): http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895550660?tag2=sacreddestina-20
Here we have a picture of Saint Bernadette at the time of her Death in 1879: http://www.catholicpilgrims.com/lourdes/images/bernbw.jpg (photo quality from technology available at the time, in 1879;considerably very clear I think)
Here we have a picture of Saint Bernadette on June 6, 1997 (118 years later). http://www.catholicpilgrims.com/lourdes/images/bern97a.jpg http://www.catholicpilgrims.com/lourdes/ba_bernadette_intro.htm —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.54.4.102 ( talk) 12:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC).
70.54.4.102 13:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC) a_kaldas@hotmail.com 70.54.4.102 13:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The face of St Bernadette that is displayed to pilgrims is actually a wax mask. 115.166.7.71 ( talk) 01:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
John Newman has not been canonized. He's only venerable. Lexo 21:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Cabinet of Wonders posted on this subject, & included mention that the saint pictured in the article's lead has had her face "refurbished" with a wax mask. This is probably worthy of mention, but I don't have time to see if I can find a better cite than the article above. Anybody have anything? If not, I'll try to remember to come back later. -- mordicai. 17:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
This article lists Saint Cabrini to have been incorrupt, yet the main article for her explicitly says the opposite. Does anyone happen to know which version is true? I'd be happy to correct whichever article is inaccurate, but I just don't know which. J.J. Bustamante 03:06, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Just a thought, should we include the Blessed Virgin Mary in this article? She's the only one whose incorrupt state is a matter of dogmatic fact. Any thoughts? J.J. Bustamante 03:11, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
The article makes reference to "a Buddhist monk." It does nto say whom this monk is. Yet there is a case of supposedly verified incorruptibility of Hambo Lama Itigelov, a Buddhist monk exhumed in 2002.
http://www.neplaneta.ru/hamba_lama.shtml
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=3,3759,0,0,1,0
Can someone confirm this with another source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.252.225 ( talk) 23:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
On the St. Bernadette photo, an editor has changed
She is shown here with a wax mask.
to
Her incorrupt state is evident here in this recent photo.
Well, which is it? Are we looking at a wax mask or an incorrupt face? I hardly think we can have an article about incorruptibles with an illustration of a face that might not be an incorrupt face at all. The article needs to be crystal clear what we're looking at. Facts, please, not faith. EverybodyLovesSomebody ( talk) 00:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Does the claim that "bodies with low amounts of muscle and body fat tend to resist decomposition better" have any scientific validity? If having low amounts of muscle and body fat would be enough to preserve a body, wouldnt anyone who died of starvation also be preserved? Groucho2 { talk} 8:06, 17 August 2008
None
A casual glance at these bodies shows that they are dead. They look dead. A real miracle would be a body that was exactly like one of the living, while being dead, as if in a perfect sleep. Death being a sort of rest for the living. Sadly, we'll never know what happened to Christ's body in the cave. 174.88.153.133 ( talk) 16:27, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, according to the christian faith, the body walked out of the cave. Then ascended into heaven.-- 98.212.194.29 ( talk) 00:06, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
One might assume from reading the page that this was a genuine phenomenon rather than a faith based religious belief. But there are no scientifically verified cases. If someone wants to remove the statement in the opening paragraph again, they should find a scientifically verified case first. 219.90.153.231 ( talk) 22:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I wondered this, could the bodies be totally fake? Could they Wax statues or something? Shouldn't there be some incorruptible animals too, not just people? The snare ( talk) 19:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
I added a few fact tags, but is the list on this page really appropriate? None of them are really cited here. It doesn't say who is claiming incorruptibility for these saints, and often even their articles don't say it. Where does this list come from -- if it's not individually cited here, then whose list is it? I think, perhaps, we should avoid listing every claimed incorruptible here, just noting a few notable ones and leaving the rest to their individual articles. If it just copies the list from one specific book (which is linked to), I think it perhaps doesn't belong here. -- Aquillion ( talk) 06:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
There are conflicting reports about the state of Padre Pio's corpse. Most sources acknowledge that the face was covered with a wax mask while exhumed. The Vatican has also made no statement on the Saint being incorrupt. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7275514.stm 69.129.82.116 ( talk) 13:28, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
The list is a sourcing nightmare that has a lot of really old citation needed tags. Any ideas on what to do about it? BrendanFrye ( talk) 21:54, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
In the argument section, it is stated that the body is incorruptible because of God. I'd like to edit that to take out "God" and insert "Supernatural causes" or "God or some other supernatural agent" because, while all with this argument believe it is supernatural, some believers see this as the work of satan and not God. This of course is a purely theological viewpoint.
At any rate i think it would better represent the argument to replace "God" with "supernatural causes" or "God or some other supernatural cause"
therefore i am going to edit accordingly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.206.128.207 ( talk) 20:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Here is an other Saint not mentioned in the list of incorruptable saints. St. Savvas the new of Kalymnos, Greek Orthodox Church, Patriarchate of Constantinople, Metropolis of Leros, Kalymnos, and Astypalaia.
Here is a quick biography of St. Savvas the new of Kalymnos.
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Savvas_the_New_of_Kalymnos —Preceding unsigned comment added by Constantineix ( talk • contribs) 03:31, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Yes his body is incorrupt, he has been seen as incorrupt by the people and the clerics, and was one of the criteria for being sanctified by the Church (Patriach of Constantinople). St. Savva the new of Kalymnos is not very known outside the Dodecanesse region and there is very little information regarding the Saint on the internet. I will however seach around for this fact on the internet. I do have this fact in books but they are not in English, would this surfice? I have visited and seen his silver "sarcophagus" which contains his incorruptable body. The nuns open it every eve of his feast, but I never visited the monastery durring his feast. There are pictures of his "sarcophagus". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Constantineix ( talk • contribs) 19:46, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Give me some time to look around I am currently on vacations in the Caribbean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Constantineix ( talk • contribs) 19:52, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I found a picture of his incorrupt body. Perhaps you would want to add it. I do not know how to upload pictures on wiki and add them on pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Constantineix ( talk • contribs) 20:14, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
The site is. http://agiosnektarios.pblogs.gr/2009/20091101.html It containts additional information on the Saint and and a picture of his incorruptable body. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Constantineix ( talk • contribs) 20:22, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I recommend that apart from reference 3 under the "Causes" section, the article "Adipocere: What is known after over two centuries of research" published in Forensic Science International (2011) should also be included. It mentions numerous studies about the conditions in which the phenomena of saponification (understood as grave wax) takes place.
Link to the article: http://www.pawsoflife.org/Library/HRD/Ubelaker_2011.pdf Ninioelninio ( talk) 15:40, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Has anyone attempted to scientifically validate or invalidate these claims? I'm sure there must be explanations for how bodies can be preserved after death in a non-supernatural fashion. 138.16.21.199 ( talk) 20:56, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Some monks of Mount Athos believe that there is a cave there with "Latinizers" - monks who had encouraged union with the Pope - whose corpses did not corrupt but are basically turning into demons. See http://www.nytimes.com/1964/01/08/community-of-greek-monks-condemns-church-unity-talks.html -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 00:28, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
The article on St Louise de Marillac says "She is mistakenly referred to as an incorrupt saint; the body enshrined in the chapel is actually a wax effigy, containing her bones." As there is no other statement that the Catholic church declares her incorrupt anyways, I removed her from the list in the Incorruptibility article. -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 00:34, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Nothing in Clare of Assisi's article to indicate that her body was ever considered incorrupt. Removed -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 00:48, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
The word "incorruptibility" implies that a body cannot be corrupted. I think the article is more about incorruption - bodies that are in fact not corrupt. There is nothing, as far as I know, in teaching of churches that accept the possibility of incorrupt bodies of saints, that implies that those bodies would necessarily continue in that state. Many of the examples given were only incorrupt for a while -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 01:07, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
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It might count as original research, but does anyone else think the legitimacy of these incorrupt claims are worth challenging? They all look like rotting bodies. Just because a church claims they're incorrupt and has some citable sources on the matter doesn't mean it's a reliable source. A lot of these bodies have wax masks and are preserved in some way. They all look like they've been dead for a long time. Nowhere near the definition of incorrupt. It seems impossible to prove any body is truly incorrupt. 2602:306:CFC7:CB00:3C8C:52EE:8E7:A4D8 ( talk) 17:49, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
In Protestant tradition, incomplete decay is seen as a divine punishment for the sins of the person. See Christian Friedrich von Kahlbutz. So, total opposite of the Catholic tradition. Should this be mentioned, maybe as See-also? -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 11:31, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
My main criticism of this article is that it does not discuss scientific examinations of this issue or give possible explanations both for and against it. The article in my opinion lacks sufficient scientific examination. 50.225.206.126 ( talk) 20:06, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Blessed Carlo Acutis was confirmed not to be incorrupt, as the body, although "integral" (with all the parts) still nevertheless decayed, and his body is covered in a layer of wax instead. Remove from page or add as separate section?
https://aleteia.org/2023/10/09/is-the-body-of-bl-carlo-acutis-incorrupt/ ReelmsyWiki ( talk) 22:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)