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Hmm. The use of a hyphen in "daughter-ers" in the article suggests that this was pasted from a Web site somewhere. So I did a search, and found that the text is taken word-for-word from http://www.darkhistory.com/bible.shtml -- however, since the majority of the text is Biblical quotes, perhaps defenders of this subject may want to edit the article and change it around so that it won't have to be removed. -- Modemac 14:00, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Because incest refers to sex forbidden, is what is referred to in the Bible incest? After all, a crime (as sex with certain people is in most cultures) legal cannot be a crime. This is not to say that isn't immoral, it's just a matter of perspective on the morality.-Adrian
Check the spelling on "Micah/Milcah": it's listed the former way before the quote, and the latter way after. --zandperl
Did Shem, son of Adam, commit incest? It would appear so, since the only women would have been Eve or Shem's sisters.
I think he was thinking of Seth. Abel was killed by Cain, presumably before fathering any children. Captain Packrat ( talk) 22:11, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I mean this quite seriously. This is especially true if it's a copyvio, but even if it's not, it's awful. Among other things, until just now it claimed that Sarah was Abraham's sister based on what she told Pharaoh, which, in context, is clearly a lie. This whole thing should be rewritten from the ground up. john k 04:27, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
As to the article being crappy: yea
Beyond this, I will admit that the article isn't quite so bad as I thought. But that first sentence is genuinely awful (and comes straight from the anon). john k 14:41, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
In Jewish law it is not incest for two first cousins to marry. Nor is it incest for a woman to marry her father's brother. In historical times both sorts of marriage were contracted by the Rothschild family, observant Jews. (I am not certain about other cases; i.e.: woman & mother's brother, man & father's sister, man & mother's sister, half-siblings through the same father.) Some of the instances of "incest" in the bible given in the article are thus clearly in error, and I will correct them unless someone gives good reason not to do so. Too Old 04:36, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
See Incest in Judaism. Jewish law isn't necessarily the same as the Bible, the latter not the former being what this article is about. Newman Luke ( talk) 12:15, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
The question comes up in religious discussions of where did Cain get his wife? He had to have taken one of his (unnamed in the Bible) sisters. Can this be mentioned in the article? It's not really a direct reference. Family Guy Guy 18:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Several bishops in the Roman Catholic Church consider incest to be a less grave crime than abortion, and have recommended that girls who are raped by their parents to continue their pregnancy. This was notably the case in 2009 with archbishop José Cardoso Sobrinho in Brazil. ADM ( talk) 17:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
The article claims that Isaac is Rebecca's uncle, but they are actually first cousins, once removed. Isaac was the only child of Abraham and Sarah and Rebecca's father is Bethuel, a cousin of Isaac. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.213.50.200 ( talk) 06:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
What definition of incest are we using here? The Incest article, says that “Incest refers to any sexual activity between close relatives (often within the immediate family) that is illegal or socially taboo[at the time it happens]. The type of sexual activity and the nature of the relationship between persons that constitutes a breach of law or social taboo vary with culture and jurisdiction.” I.e. first-cousin marriage is Not illegal or even a taboo in most of the world today as was not in Bible times. The only one that was at the time it happened was Tamar.-- Lord Don-Jam ( talk) 10:31, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the material about
On the basis that these all self-identifyingly discuss marriage to cousins which
Queen Elizabeth II's husband is her cousin.
Marriage to cousins is off-topic. It belongs, if anywhere, in Endogamy. Newman Luke ( talk) 12:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
The following dubious material has been removed:
Newman Luke ( talk) 12:29, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
“and the Book of Samuel treats the marriage of a royal prince to his sister as unusual, rather than wicked.”
2 Samuel 13 only show what happened when Amnon raped his half-sister Tamar, what she sad to him stop him from raping her, she'd have sad anything to stop him. The Bible also dis not show that the King David can let anyone, his son or not be married to his half-sister becoue of God's law in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. The King had to obey to God's law.-- Lord Don-Jam ( talk) 15:21, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Moab and Ammon, the one with with Lot and his two daughters it says “However, as noted above, the Bible does not forbid a sexual relationship between a man and his daughter.”
That is Not so. Leviticus 18:17 say ““‘The nakedness of a woman and her daughter you must not lay bare”. A men was not to have a sexual relationship with the daughter of any women his had ever sleep with, that also his daughter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord Don-Jam ( talk • contribs) 15:24, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
May seme like a small detial to complaing about, but today porticularly this was the main reaons I came to this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.144.33.65 ( talk) 15:45, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes, certainly in the beginning. After creating the earth, God goes on to create two and only two people. Therefor the conditions set out, that man can only reproduce through the practice of incest to begin with.
If humanity came from only a few progenitors, wouldn't incest be unavoidable? Didn't Cain and Abel marry their sisters? I know many say the origin of the first wives is unknown, but perhaps this should be addressed?
Also, after the Flood, there was only a small group left to reproduce. All children were inevitably the children of Noah's sons, and therefor cousins. Surely someone has deigned comment on this, and they can be cited (hopefully not some bitter anti-theist looking to piss people off).-- 68.225.194.245 ( talk) 05:28, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
It's Chapter 27, I find it so weird that the first Paragraph of this page is so precise about Leviticus but not Deuteronomy. KuudereKun 19:09, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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Hmm. The use of a hyphen in "daughter-ers" in the article suggests that this was pasted from a Web site somewhere. So I did a search, and found that the text is taken word-for-word from http://www.darkhistory.com/bible.shtml -- however, since the majority of the text is Biblical quotes, perhaps defenders of this subject may want to edit the article and change it around so that it won't have to be removed. -- Modemac 14:00, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Because incest refers to sex forbidden, is what is referred to in the Bible incest? After all, a crime (as sex with certain people is in most cultures) legal cannot be a crime. This is not to say that isn't immoral, it's just a matter of perspective on the morality.-Adrian
Check the spelling on "Micah/Milcah": it's listed the former way before the quote, and the latter way after. --zandperl
Did Shem, son of Adam, commit incest? It would appear so, since the only women would have been Eve or Shem's sisters.
I think he was thinking of Seth. Abel was killed by Cain, presumably before fathering any children. Captain Packrat ( talk) 22:11, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I mean this quite seriously. This is especially true if it's a copyvio, but even if it's not, it's awful. Among other things, until just now it claimed that Sarah was Abraham's sister based on what she told Pharaoh, which, in context, is clearly a lie. This whole thing should be rewritten from the ground up. john k 04:27, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
As to the article being crappy: yea
Beyond this, I will admit that the article isn't quite so bad as I thought. But that first sentence is genuinely awful (and comes straight from the anon). john k 14:41, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
In Jewish law it is not incest for two first cousins to marry. Nor is it incest for a woman to marry her father's brother. In historical times both sorts of marriage were contracted by the Rothschild family, observant Jews. (I am not certain about other cases; i.e.: woman & mother's brother, man & father's sister, man & mother's sister, half-siblings through the same father.) Some of the instances of "incest" in the bible given in the article are thus clearly in error, and I will correct them unless someone gives good reason not to do so. Too Old 04:36, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
See Incest in Judaism. Jewish law isn't necessarily the same as the Bible, the latter not the former being what this article is about. Newman Luke ( talk) 12:15, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
The question comes up in religious discussions of where did Cain get his wife? He had to have taken one of his (unnamed in the Bible) sisters. Can this be mentioned in the article? It's not really a direct reference. Family Guy Guy 18:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Several bishops in the Roman Catholic Church consider incest to be a less grave crime than abortion, and have recommended that girls who are raped by their parents to continue their pregnancy. This was notably the case in 2009 with archbishop José Cardoso Sobrinho in Brazil. ADM ( talk) 17:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
The article claims that Isaac is Rebecca's uncle, but they are actually first cousins, once removed. Isaac was the only child of Abraham and Sarah and Rebecca's father is Bethuel, a cousin of Isaac. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.213.50.200 ( talk) 06:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
What definition of incest are we using here? The Incest article, says that “Incest refers to any sexual activity between close relatives (often within the immediate family) that is illegal or socially taboo[at the time it happens]. The type of sexual activity and the nature of the relationship between persons that constitutes a breach of law or social taboo vary with culture and jurisdiction.” I.e. first-cousin marriage is Not illegal or even a taboo in most of the world today as was not in Bible times. The only one that was at the time it happened was Tamar.-- Lord Don-Jam ( talk) 10:31, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the material about
On the basis that these all self-identifyingly discuss marriage to cousins which
Queen Elizabeth II's husband is her cousin.
Marriage to cousins is off-topic. It belongs, if anywhere, in Endogamy. Newman Luke ( talk) 12:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
The following dubious material has been removed:
Newman Luke ( talk) 12:29, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
“and the Book of Samuel treats the marriage of a royal prince to his sister as unusual, rather than wicked.”
2 Samuel 13 only show what happened when Amnon raped his half-sister Tamar, what she sad to him stop him from raping her, she'd have sad anything to stop him. The Bible also dis not show that the King David can let anyone, his son or not be married to his half-sister becoue of God's law in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. The King had to obey to God's law.-- Lord Don-Jam ( talk) 15:21, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Moab and Ammon, the one with with Lot and his two daughters it says “However, as noted above, the Bible does not forbid a sexual relationship between a man and his daughter.”
That is Not so. Leviticus 18:17 say ““‘The nakedness of a woman and her daughter you must not lay bare”. A men was not to have a sexual relationship with the daughter of any women his had ever sleep with, that also his daughter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord Don-Jam ( talk • contribs) 15:24, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
May seme like a small detial to complaing about, but today porticularly this was the main reaons I came to this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.144.33.65 ( talk) 15:45, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes, certainly in the beginning. After creating the earth, God goes on to create two and only two people. Therefor the conditions set out, that man can only reproduce through the practice of incest to begin with.
If humanity came from only a few progenitors, wouldn't incest be unavoidable? Didn't Cain and Abel marry their sisters? I know many say the origin of the first wives is unknown, but perhaps this should be addressed?
Also, after the Flood, there was only a small group left to reproduce. All children were inevitably the children of Noah's sons, and therefor cousins. Surely someone has deigned comment on this, and they can be cited (hopefully not some bitter anti-theist looking to piss people off).-- 68.225.194.245 ( talk) 05:28, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
It's Chapter 27, I find it so weird that the first Paragraph of this page is so precise about Leviticus but not Deuteronomy. KuudereKun 19:09, 13 July 2024 (UTC)