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A fact from In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 2 May 2024 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
ALT2: ... that the song "Lamb's Wool" from the EP In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing, which is about
Mark Foster's uncle's cancer diagnosis, was able to be played for him prior to his death? Source:
Ladygunn "He describes the mood of the song as tangible and that when his uncle’s cancer diagnosis came, the lyrics naturally did too. [...] The beauty in the piece is that Mark was able to play the finished song for his uncle before he passed."
ALT3: ... that a song from the EP In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing, which was written in response to
Foster the People singer
Mark Foster's uncle's cancer diagnosis, was finished and played for him before his death? Source:
Ladygunn "He describes the mood of the song as tangible and that when his uncle’s cancer diagnosis came, the lyrics naturally did too. [...] The beauty in the piece is that Mark was able to play the finished song for his uncle before he passed."
Comment: I'm not completely sure whether or not you are allowed to include two sources for one hook. I added a second hook with only the key information and one source just in case.
Interesting article about an EP (I had to look up what that is) with a title that attracted me, on fine sources, no copyvio obvious. I was a bit disappointed never to have the title explained, nor the interesting cover art. - Of the hooks, I prefer ALT2 as more emotional, so will discuss that. The EP title is long, - do we really need the song title also, vs. simply "a song"? Do you expect people to know who Mark Foster is, or might we add "lead singer" or band member, perhaps with a piped link to the band? Having read the article, I know now that only the text was inspired by the cancer diagnosis, and "which is about" may be a bit to colloquial, no? How about "written in response to". "was able to be played for him" sounds needlessly complicated. So please reword ALT2 and I'll check again. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 15:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Gerda Arendt: Thank you for your feedback! I've added a third alternative hook with the changes you've suggested. Does it look good to you? (Please note I may be late to reply to your feedback, due to school.)
SupremeLordBagel (
talk to me) 20:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you. I like it better! I'm not yet happy with the double possessive. It may be a silly question: Do you think the name of the band matters, I mean makes it more interesting? If not, could we shorten it to
sorry about my leftover for uncle ;) - the reason why I used "one" was that I tried to clarify that not the whole album was written in response - perhaps you have a better idea - English is not my first language. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 22:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I think that saying "a song" makes it clear enough that it's only referring to a single song (that being "Lamb's Wool"). It's also a little shorter than "one song", so I think that it will work.
It was already marked ready by the green icon, but I can repeat it for clarity. ALT3b preferred. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 22:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm doing a check for inline citations, and the article looks excellent so far! Also, there is clearly no edit warring so I'll check that off. I did a copy vio check and there are no copyright violations detected- so I'll check that off too. The Sharpest Lives(
the deadliestto lead) 16:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Sorry I've taken so long to keep you updated. I have been busy. I'll try to review this ASAP. I must say, it is well-written. The tone is neutral, the sections are adequate length and keep on-topic. It's overall an interesting read! I don't think I knew anything about FtP except for "
Pumped Up Kicks", so it's cool to hear about their writing process and inspiration. Anyways, time to do that source spot-check I said I'd do. The Sharpest Lives(
the deadliestto lead) 23:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Reception template I'm checking through the reviews, and it looks like only one ( The Daily Californian) provides a score (2/5). You should put this in a {{music ratings}} template. The Sharpest Lives(
the deadliestto lead) 16:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Sourcing: sources from the band are ok, per
WP:SELFSOURCE, (see also
WP:PRIMARY), so long as the article is not mostly based on these sources. 8/30 references are from insta/facebook/reddit, which is hardly "mostly", but you still need to be careful. On top of that, there are 2 YouTube videos cited. Not that this is a problem, I just need to double check on what the other sources say and if they are reliable too. The Sharpest Lives(
the deadliestto lead) 23:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
SupremeLordBagel Apologies for the wait, I have been very busy and I hope this is of no inconvenience to you. I would like to say: the article looks excelent to me, but I am unsure whether it qualifies as a good article per the criteria. I am going to request a second opinion for feedback. Again, apologies for the wait and we'll see where this goes. – The Sharpest Lives (
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ℹ️) 21:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)reply
An editor has reviewed the article, and left comments on the review page. However, this editor has requested a second opinion either from a more experienced reviewer, or someone with more expertise on this subject, to gain further consensus that this article meets the
good article criteria. In the meantime, editors are encouraged to revise the article based on the first reviewer's comments.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Albums, an attempt at building a useful resource on recordings from a variety of genres. If you would like to participate, visit the
project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the
discussion.AlbumsWikipedia:WikiProject AlbumsTemplate:WikiProject AlbumsAlbum articles
This article is part of WikiProject Alternative music, a group of Wikipedians interested in improving the encyclopedic coverage of articles relating to
alternative rock. If you would like to help out, you are welcome to drop by
the project page and/or leave a query at
the project's talk page.Alternative musicWikipedia:WikiProject Alternative musicTemplate:WikiProject Alternative musicAlternative music articles
A fact from In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 2 May 2024 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
ALT2: ... that the song "Lamb's Wool" from the EP In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing, which is about
Mark Foster's uncle's cancer diagnosis, was able to be played for him prior to his death? Source:
Ladygunn "He describes the mood of the song as tangible and that when his uncle’s cancer diagnosis came, the lyrics naturally did too. [...] The beauty in the piece is that Mark was able to play the finished song for his uncle before he passed."
ALT3: ... that a song from the EP In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing, which was written in response to
Foster the People singer
Mark Foster's uncle's cancer diagnosis, was finished and played for him before his death? Source:
Ladygunn "He describes the mood of the song as tangible and that when his uncle’s cancer diagnosis came, the lyrics naturally did too. [...] The beauty in the piece is that Mark was able to play the finished song for his uncle before he passed."
Comment: I'm not completely sure whether or not you are allowed to include two sources for one hook. I added a second hook with only the key information and one source just in case.
Interesting article about an EP (I had to look up what that is) with a title that attracted me, on fine sources, no copyvio obvious. I was a bit disappointed never to have the title explained, nor the interesting cover art. - Of the hooks, I prefer ALT2 as more emotional, so will discuss that. The EP title is long, - do we really need the song title also, vs. simply "a song"? Do you expect people to know who Mark Foster is, or might we add "lead singer" or band member, perhaps with a piped link to the band? Having read the article, I know now that only the text was inspired by the cancer diagnosis, and "which is about" may be a bit to colloquial, no? How about "written in response to". "was able to be played for him" sounds needlessly complicated. So please reword ALT2 and I'll check again. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 15:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Gerda Arendt: Thank you for your feedback! I've added a third alternative hook with the changes you've suggested. Does it look good to you? (Please note I may be late to reply to your feedback, due to school.)
SupremeLordBagel (
talk to me) 20:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you. I like it better! I'm not yet happy with the double possessive. It may be a silly question: Do you think the name of the band matters, I mean makes it more interesting? If not, could we shorten it to
sorry about my leftover for uncle ;) - the reason why I used "one" was that I tried to clarify that not the whole album was written in response - perhaps you have a better idea - English is not my first language. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 22:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I think that saying "a song" makes it clear enough that it's only referring to a single song (that being "Lamb's Wool"). It's also a little shorter than "one song", so I think that it will work.
It was already marked ready by the green icon, but I can repeat it for clarity. ALT3b preferred. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 22:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm doing a check for inline citations, and the article looks excellent so far! Also, there is clearly no edit warring so I'll check that off. I did a copy vio check and there are no copyright violations detected- so I'll check that off too. The Sharpest Lives(
the deadliestto lead) 16:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Sorry I've taken so long to keep you updated. I have been busy. I'll try to review this ASAP. I must say, it is well-written. The tone is neutral, the sections are adequate length and keep on-topic. It's overall an interesting read! I don't think I knew anything about FtP except for "
Pumped Up Kicks", so it's cool to hear about their writing process and inspiration. Anyways, time to do that source spot-check I said I'd do. The Sharpest Lives(
the deadliestto lead) 23:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Reception template I'm checking through the reviews, and it looks like only one ( The Daily Californian) provides a score (2/5). You should put this in a {{music ratings}} template. The Sharpest Lives(
the deadliestto lead) 16:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Sourcing: sources from the band are ok, per
WP:SELFSOURCE, (see also
WP:PRIMARY), so long as the article is not mostly based on these sources. 8/30 references are from insta/facebook/reddit, which is hardly "mostly", but you still need to be careful. On top of that, there are 2 YouTube videos cited. Not that this is a problem, I just need to double check on what the other sources say and if they are reliable too. The Sharpest Lives(
the deadliestto lead) 23:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
@
SupremeLordBagel Apologies for the wait, I have been very busy and I hope this is of no inconvenience to you. I would like to say: the article looks excelent to me, but I am unsure whether it qualifies as a good article per the criteria. I am going to request a second opinion for feedback. Again, apologies for the wait and we'll see where this goes. – The Sharpest Lives (
💬•
✏️•
ℹ️) 21:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)reply