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rather than calling them "pseudo", i suggest calling them "proto" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.233.109 ( talk • contribs) 07:56, 27 April 2005 (UTC)
It would be nice if this article told us something about when the examination was used. There are hardly any dates in it :) Zocky 20:11, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Minor changes and addition to history; the article seems a bit wordy and indirect. Will add more on history later. Kennethtennyson —Preceding undated comment added 18:49, 28 June 2005 (UTC)
I dunno if the Library of Congress is up for being plagariased, but if it isn't, you might want to change the wording of some of this article to ensure Wikipedia's credibility. But whatever, we all 'paraphrase' don't we?
Go to http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cntoc.html, and type in 'examination' into the search box to see what i mean.
Cheers, Lawson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.164.162.171 ( talk • contribs) 10:50, 5 July 2005 (UTC)
Civil service examination redirects here. It shouldn't as civil service examinations are routine operations in many countries, not only in Imperial China. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.228.129.13 ( talk • contribs) 17:13, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
"After defeating the Japanese offensive in the Second World War, the Guomindang administration attempted to revive the Examination Yuan, but just three years later it moved to Taiwan. It continued the system there."
First of all shouldn't it be "Kuomintang" and not "Guomindang"? I don't know what romanization is standard for wikipedia, but Kuomintang is sure a much more recognizable spelling. "Chiang Kai-shek's Kuomintang regime" it would be even better.
Also, "after defeating the Japanese" makes it sound as it was the KMT that single-handedly defeated the Japanese, while in reality most of the allied forces in the Pacific War were American. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.244.214 ( talk • contribs) 08:40, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Who decided what each level of qualification is "equivalent" to in modern western degrees anyway? I mean, I don't see what's so "quasi-bachelor" about being a Xiucai, given that many people complete it by the time they are in their early teens. How many teenage bachelors do you see around?
If one draws correlations between the these qualifications and university degree types, then just as equally valid I can say Shengyuan is your primary school graduation certificate, Juren is your high school graduation certificate, and jinshi is your university degree?
I think drawing correlations between these qualifications and modern degrees is misleading and unnecessary. -- Sumple ( Talk) 08:55, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I was doing a little research on the examination, and I found that whoever created this article copied the article from [1]. Is this a violation of Wikipedia's policy? Ez5698 23:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I would like to have more info on how the judges/examiners are appointed, how they judge and rank the answers, and how the students who spent nearly three days in their cubicle fared, do they bring their own food and water, tents, etc to spend the night? I don't think it's humanly possible to sit in an exam 3 days straight! Skepticus ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
The curriculum was then expanded to cover the "Five Studies": military strategy, civil law, revenue and taxation, agriculture and geography, and the Confucian classics
Can somebody cite the source on that? I thought the Imperial examination were infamous for their concentration on literature and not practical knowledge? So in Sui dynasty, the imperial examination actually tested practical knowledge, but in the later dynasty it was reverted back to only literature? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.179.189.203 ( talk) 17:19, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
The article states, "With the military defeats in the 1890s and pressure to develop a national school system," and I am curious about this pressure - pressure from whom? Abattis ( talk) 08:27, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for answering! I'm curious about Prussian schooling of that era, and its influence worldwide. 219.89.46.12 ( talk) 08:43, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
During the Ming dynasty the Empire setup a nationwide system of charitable schools. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.86.164.236 ( talk) 06:25, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
I don't think that the current English translations of:
"having seized the head of Ao" ((占鳌头 [Zhàn ào tóu]), or "having alone seized the head of Ao" (独占鳌头 [Dú zhàn ào tóu])
are correct. I believe that "占" here relates to occupying a physical position only (i.e. next to the statue) and does not have the sense of "seize" - that would be far too strong a meaning for this character (possible confusion here with “战" ?) My suggestions would be "to have stood at the head of Ao" or "to have stood alone at Ao's head"
Philg88 ( talk) 12:58, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
The first usage on this page was BC, so it sticks.
Given the first actual exams weren't given until the Sui, the page could surely be rewritten to avoid the issue almost entirely. That said, see above. — LlywelynII 23:32, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm in the middle of working on country name etymologies, but if someone could rework the page for clarity, that would be wonderful. The page wanders around its point as an unsourced student's essay on supposed intents and doesn't do the basic job of explaining clearly:
If there weren't a few parts to be salvaged about the evolution of the test, I'd simply replace the article with the terse and lucid treatment at Scholar-bureaucrats. — LlywelynII 23:32, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
Can someone please remove the bit about the Great Divergence and how Europe sped ahead because the Chinese system was limited. If anything, this early form of meritocracy helped China diverge from Europe, to become more powerful in all measurable ways. I'm a little sick of this white supremacy -tinged trope that's been so much a part of discourse about other cultures. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kansubrave ( talk • contribs) 20:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Is there a list of the top candidates and their biographic details? 81.129.179.74 ( talk) 02:28, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Just found this:
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E7%8B%80%E5%85%83%E5%88%97%E8%A1%A8
81.129.179.74 (
talk) 02:59, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
There were military schools for training before taking the exam.
http://books.google.com/books?id=YE6Va-Fe1coC&pg=PA152#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=bs1Qw7yv-DQC&pg=PA212#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan ( talk) 01:30, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Broadly in line with the issue above, the article claims that the system came to Europe via the UK, in the 19th century. Is there any reference for that? My understanding was that elements were brought in much earlier, and that it did not all come via Great Britain, but already influenced from other travellers. Hundnase ( talk) 09:51, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
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rather than calling them "pseudo", i suggest calling them "proto" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.233.109 ( talk • contribs) 07:56, 27 April 2005 (UTC)
It would be nice if this article told us something about when the examination was used. There are hardly any dates in it :) Zocky 20:11, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Minor changes and addition to history; the article seems a bit wordy and indirect. Will add more on history later. Kennethtennyson —Preceding undated comment added 18:49, 28 June 2005 (UTC)
I dunno if the Library of Congress is up for being plagariased, but if it isn't, you might want to change the wording of some of this article to ensure Wikipedia's credibility. But whatever, we all 'paraphrase' don't we?
Go to http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cntoc.html, and type in 'examination' into the search box to see what i mean.
Cheers, Lawson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.164.162.171 ( talk • contribs) 10:50, 5 July 2005 (UTC)
Civil service examination redirects here. It shouldn't as civil service examinations are routine operations in many countries, not only in Imperial China. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.228.129.13 ( talk • contribs) 17:13, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
"After defeating the Japanese offensive in the Second World War, the Guomindang administration attempted to revive the Examination Yuan, but just three years later it moved to Taiwan. It continued the system there."
First of all shouldn't it be "Kuomintang" and not "Guomindang"? I don't know what romanization is standard for wikipedia, but Kuomintang is sure a much more recognizable spelling. "Chiang Kai-shek's Kuomintang regime" it would be even better.
Also, "after defeating the Japanese" makes it sound as it was the KMT that single-handedly defeated the Japanese, while in reality most of the allied forces in the Pacific War were American. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.244.214 ( talk • contribs) 08:40, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Who decided what each level of qualification is "equivalent" to in modern western degrees anyway? I mean, I don't see what's so "quasi-bachelor" about being a Xiucai, given that many people complete it by the time they are in their early teens. How many teenage bachelors do you see around?
If one draws correlations between the these qualifications and university degree types, then just as equally valid I can say Shengyuan is your primary school graduation certificate, Juren is your high school graduation certificate, and jinshi is your university degree?
I think drawing correlations between these qualifications and modern degrees is misleading and unnecessary. -- Sumple ( Talk) 08:55, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I was doing a little research on the examination, and I found that whoever created this article copied the article from [1]. Is this a violation of Wikipedia's policy? Ez5698 23:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I would like to have more info on how the judges/examiners are appointed, how they judge and rank the answers, and how the students who spent nearly three days in their cubicle fared, do they bring their own food and water, tents, etc to spend the night? I don't think it's humanly possible to sit in an exam 3 days straight! Skepticus ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
The curriculum was then expanded to cover the "Five Studies": military strategy, civil law, revenue and taxation, agriculture and geography, and the Confucian classics
Can somebody cite the source on that? I thought the Imperial examination were infamous for their concentration on literature and not practical knowledge? So in Sui dynasty, the imperial examination actually tested practical knowledge, but in the later dynasty it was reverted back to only literature? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.179.189.203 ( talk) 17:19, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
The article states, "With the military defeats in the 1890s and pressure to develop a national school system," and I am curious about this pressure - pressure from whom? Abattis ( talk) 08:27, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for answering! I'm curious about Prussian schooling of that era, and its influence worldwide. 219.89.46.12 ( talk) 08:43, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
During the Ming dynasty the Empire setup a nationwide system of charitable schools. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.86.164.236 ( talk) 06:25, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
I don't think that the current English translations of:
"having seized the head of Ao" ((占鳌头 [Zhàn ào tóu]), or "having alone seized the head of Ao" (独占鳌头 [Dú zhàn ào tóu])
are correct. I believe that "占" here relates to occupying a physical position only (i.e. next to the statue) and does not have the sense of "seize" - that would be far too strong a meaning for this character (possible confusion here with “战" ?) My suggestions would be "to have stood at the head of Ao" or "to have stood alone at Ao's head"
Philg88 ( talk) 12:58, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
The first usage on this page was BC, so it sticks.
Given the first actual exams weren't given until the Sui, the page could surely be rewritten to avoid the issue almost entirely. That said, see above. — LlywelynII 23:32, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm in the middle of working on country name etymologies, but if someone could rework the page for clarity, that would be wonderful. The page wanders around its point as an unsourced student's essay on supposed intents and doesn't do the basic job of explaining clearly:
If there weren't a few parts to be salvaged about the evolution of the test, I'd simply replace the article with the terse and lucid treatment at Scholar-bureaucrats. — LlywelynII 23:32, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
Can someone please remove the bit about the Great Divergence and how Europe sped ahead because the Chinese system was limited. If anything, this early form of meritocracy helped China diverge from Europe, to become more powerful in all measurable ways. I'm a little sick of this white supremacy -tinged trope that's been so much a part of discourse about other cultures. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kansubrave ( talk • contribs) 20:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Is there a list of the top candidates and their biographic details? 81.129.179.74 ( talk) 02:28, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Just found this:
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E7%8B%80%E5%85%83%E5%88%97%E8%A1%A8
81.129.179.74 (
talk) 02:59, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
There were military schools for training before taking the exam.
http://books.google.com/books?id=YE6Va-Fe1coC&pg=PA152#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=bs1Qw7yv-DQC&pg=PA212#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan ( talk) 01:30, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Broadly in line with the issue above, the article claims that the system came to Europe via the UK, in the 19th century. Is there any reference for that? My understanding was that elements were brought in much earlier, and that it did not all come via Great Britain, but already influenced from other travellers. Hundnase ( talk) 09:51, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
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