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I don't know this material well enough to make a call here, but I came across the link / de-link of SMS while patrolling RC. Would it be appropriate to link either SMS or the words themselves to List of ships of the German navies? That page seems to have a more complete list than the few mentioned here. SWAdair | Talk 08:51, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
Is the picture of the jack genuine? The iron cross in the middle seems heavily pixelated, as if it were pasted on a German tricolor by a computer artist, circa 1985. LeoO3 02:59, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Doesn't SMS stand for Sein Majestäts Schiff? I'm not sure is it Sein or Seiner (I have a C in German ;) ), but it's definitely Majestäts, not Majestät.
-- 193.198.130.162 22:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
-- 89.56.217.7 16:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
...though 'Majestät' is a common, not a proper, noun. Deipnosophista ( talk) 06:42, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
SMS stands for "Seiner Majestät Schiff" (Ship of His Majesty). "Majestät" is a feminine noun in the genitive case, hence does not take "s" as it would do if masculine or neuter. ---GMB, 9 October 2011
This is not the German Wikipedia. The title of the article should be in English. Leaving it in German is pretentious and is unhelpful to non-German speakers. Deipnosophista ( talk) 13:53, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
The two run together in this case. But since the language of the encyclopedia is English, it is for those using other languages, not those using English, to justify their usage by demonstrating its currency. Deipnosophista ( talk) 06:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Article reassessed and graded as start class. -- dashiellx ( talk) 19:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I am in agreement with Deipnosophista and Sandpiper in the section headed 'Language' above. From my own reading in English language sources, "Imperial Navy", "Imperial German Navy", and "German Imperial Navy", are more prevalent than "Kaiserliche Marine", and I see that the "further reading" list in the article includes two English language titles, which both seem to confirm this view ("By Order of the Kaiser, Otto von Diedrichs and the Rise of the Imperial German Navy 1865-1902" and "'Luxury Fleet', The Imperial German Navy 1888-1918"). Wikipedia naming policy is to use the commonest name used in English language sources, which I think should be interpreted as reliable sources. Shall we discuss where the balance now lies? Moonraker ( talk) 00:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
This article has a peculiar anti-German bias. The single initial change which I made to the text is an example of a crafty acceptance by Herwig, or whatever he is, of one of the worst abuses of the Armistice by the British. This "Internment at Scapa Flow" nonsense was in fact the first clear naval "stab in the back", possibly with the connivance of German democratic politicians, which placed the German negotiators under such heavy duress at Versailles and of course subsequently. The phrase "The German surface navy proved ineffective during World War I" is evidently absurd: it was the German Admiralty which proved ineffective by tying down the Fleet in home waters. The article needs to be looked at from a fresh viewpoint and with a bibliography which is not limited mainly to one book.
Geoffreybrooks/9 October 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geoffreybrooks ( talk • contribs) 21:08, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
The references to Admiral Tirpitz fail to explain the context to his statements: Specifically the first navy law is a response to the anti german position adopted by Great Britain and the Royal Navy as a consequence of the Kruger Telegram. The RN formed the "Flying Squadron" specifically for offensive naval operations against German shipping. The second navy law has nothing to do with "the Boxer revolt" (as written in this article) and everything to do with the seizure of german merchant ships of the coast of South Africa in January 1900. And by the way I notice a modicum of censorship creeping in to Wikipedia (my comments on a talk page becoming unaccessable!) Revisionist99 ( talk) 16:27, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Hello, all,
You would never know it by the present iteration of this article, but not only did the Imperial Navy operate squadrons of airplanes during World War I, but it had its own fighter aces. For instance, the leading German naval fighter ace, Gotthard Sachsenberg, not only scored 31 victories, but took the unusual course of becoming a militant anti-Nazi in later years.
Please, can't someone fill this gap in information? I lack any info on it.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 23:58, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
I have added a "starter" paragraph on the existence of the Marinefliegerkorps, in hopes someone will further develop it. Although a bit more info is available from Above the Lines, I would recommend further research. One text I know of is Naval Aces of World War 1 part 2, ISBN 978-1849086646.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 17:48, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
By the start of the First World War, the German Imperial Navy possessed 22 pre-Dreadnoughts,[39] 19 dreadnought battleships and 7 battle-cruisers.
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I don't know this material well enough to make a call here, but I came across the link / de-link of SMS while patrolling RC. Would it be appropriate to link either SMS or the words themselves to List of ships of the German navies? That page seems to have a more complete list than the few mentioned here. SWAdair | Talk 08:51, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
Is the picture of the jack genuine? The iron cross in the middle seems heavily pixelated, as if it were pasted on a German tricolor by a computer artist, circa 1985. LeoO3 02:59, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Doesn't SMS stand for Sein Majestäts Schiff? I'm not sure is it Sein or Seiner (I have a C in German ;) ), but it's definitely Majestäts, not Majestät.
-- 193.198.130.162 22:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
-- 89.56.217.7 16:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
...though 'Majestät' is a common, not a proper, noun. Deipnosophista ( talk) 06:42, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
SMS stands for "Seiner Majestät Schiff" (Ship of His Majesty). "Majestät" is a feminine noun in the genitive case, hence does not take "s" as it would do if masculine or neuter. ---GMB, 9 October 2011
This is not the German Wikipedia. The title of the article should be in English. Leaving it in German is pretentious and is unhelpful to non-German speakers. Deipnosophista ( talk) 13:53, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
The two run together in this case. But since the language of the encyclopedia is English, it is for those using other languages, not those using English, to justify their usage by demonstrating its currency. Deipnosophista ( talk) 06:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Article reassessed and graded as start class. -- dashiellx ( talk) 19:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I am in agreement with Deipnosophista and Sandpiper in the section headed 'Language' above. From my own reading in English language sources, "Imperial Navy", "Imperial German Navy", and "German Imperial Navy", are more prevalent than "Kaiserliche Marine", and I see that the "further reading" list in the article includes two English language titles, which both seem to confirm this view ("By Order of the Kaiser, Otto von Diedrichs and the Rise of the Imperial German Navy 1865-1902" and "'Luxury Fleet', The Imperial German Navy 1888-1918"). Wikipedia naming policy is to use the commonest name used in English language sources, which I think should be interpreted as reliable sources. Shall we discuss where the balance now lies? Moonraker ( talk) 00:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
This article has a peculiar anti-German bias. The single initial change which I made to the text is an example of a crafty acceptance by Herwig, or whatever he is, of one of the worst abuses of the Armistice by the British. This "Internment at Scapa Flow" nonsense was in fact the first clear naval "stab in the back", possibly with the connivance of German democratic politicians, which placed the German negotiators under such heavy duress at Versailles and of course subsequently. The phrase "The German surface navy proved ineffective during World War I" is evidently absurd: it was the German Admiralty which proved ineffective by tying down the Fleet in home waters. The article needs to be looked at from a fresh viewpoint and with a bibliography which is not limited mainly to one book.
Geoffreybrooks/9 October 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geoffreybrooks ( talk • contribs) 21:08, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
The references to Admiral Tirpitz fail to explain the context to his statements: Specifically the first navy law is a response to the anti german position adopted by Great Britain and the Royal Navy as a consequence of the Kruger Telegram. The RN formed the "Flying Squadron" specifically for offensive naval operations against German shipping. The second navy law has nothing to do with "the Boxer revolt" (as written in this article) and everything to do with the seizure of german merchant ships of the coast of South Africa in January 1900. And by the way I notice a modicum of censorship creeping in to Wikipedia (my comments on a talk page becoming unaccessable!) Revisionist99 ( talk) 16:27, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Hello, all,
You would never know it by the present iteration of this article, but not only did the Imperial Navy operate squadrons of airplanes during World War I, but it had its own fighter aces. For instance, the leading German naval fighter ace, Gotthard Sachsenberg, not only scored 31 victories, but took the unusual course of becoming a militant anti-Nazi in later years.
Please, can't someone fill this gap in information? I lack any info on it.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 23:58, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
I have added a "starter" paragraph on the existence of the Marinefliegerkorps, in hopes someone will further develop it. Although a bit more info is available from Above the Lines, I would recommend further research. One text I know of is Naval Aces of World War 1 part 2, ISBN 978-1849086646.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 17:48, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
By the start of the First World War, the German Imperial Navy possessed 22 pre-Dreadnoughts,[39] 19 dreadnought battleships and 7 battle-cruisers.