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Wikipedia must change to a typeface that distinguishes between capital I and lower-case L (l). This stupid typeface leaves it unclear whether this airport is IIoilo, lloilo, or Iloilo. Those 3 all look the same, though those are 3 different spellings. You must look in edit mode to see the differences, where a different typeface is used that does so distinguish. Spelled all in capitals those 3 are IIOILO, LLOILO, AND ILOILO. Because this does not appear to be English, I must leave open the possibility that the word begins with 2 capital letters. Who's going to change that typeface?--it's way beyond my capability. Korky Day ( talk) 21:50, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Some of the tenses of the paragraphs, especially those that relate to planning and construction still use the simple present or present progressive or simple future tenses when these should be simple past, past perfect, or past progressive tenses. -- seav ( talk) 02:44, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
According to the new classification of airports by the CAAP (Civial aviation Authority of the Philippines), Iloilo is not classified as an International Airport but a Principal (class 1) airport meaning it does not have facilities for immigration entry. In fact Kalibo is the only airport in the western visayas region that has been classified as International. see http://www.caap.gov.ph/Downloads/ncaapcoa.pdf for further information. Cemby ( talk) 17:02, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
This airport ONLY serves ILOILO CITY. PASSI CITY is not served by this airport based on how the airlines (PAL, Cebu Pacific, etc.) market/label this airport. As they market it as ILOILO CITY, the said city is the major city associated by this airport. You do not hear airlines say "Fly to Passi City!". Furthermore, Passi City is not a major city as it is only a fourth class city. Unless if a verifiable source is provided that says all these airlines associate this airport with Passi City, please refrain from indicating Passi City as a city-served based on the infobox guidelines. Thank you. pikdig ( talk) 17:43, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
I can certainly understand the concerns here, I would encourage in this case to use WP:IAR as a compromise as it covers the concern of the other editor. I admit I did have reservations about the reliability of the source myself as evidenced on Tumandokkangcabatuan's page. I think that in this case especially becasue it's not a BLP it should pass but if nec we can open a RFC on this to find a consensus too. Hell In A Bucket ( talk) 13:29, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Why is there a wikipedia page for Mandurriao Airport and none for Cabatuan Airport, when these two were just the same Iloilo Airport that was just transferred from Mandurriao, Iloilo City to Cabatuan, Iloilo?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandurriao_Airport
The old Iloilo Airport at Mandurriao and the new Iloilo International Airport at Cabatuan are both officially named Iloilo Airport. If the wikipedia page of the old Iloilo Airport at Mandurriao is titled after its location and not its official name, then you should as well title this one as Cabatuan International Airport.
As a compromise that accommodates both official name, and location name as exemplified by the Mandurriao Airport, how about retitling this article as "Iloilo International Airport (Cabatuan Airport)"
Tumandokkangcabatuan ( talk) 01:54, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
As exemplified by the
Mandurriao Airport, it seems that it is also correct to title the airport after its location.
However, I am not replacing Iloilo International Airport as title for this article. Instead, I am just adding Cabatuan Airport next to it.
As in, ILOILO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT (CABATUAN AIRPORT)
Tumandokkangcabatuan ( talk) 12:52, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
User:Tumandokkangcabatuan please refrain from attacking me personally. I am insulted by accusations of "apparent bias" and of brushing off people and by statements that I have written things that I have never written or that I have positions and beliefs that I do not have. There is no need for such attacks and it makes me feel like I should respond in kind. which is very human but against the culture of Wikipedia and basic human decency and civility.
Let me repeat and clarify one statement since there is some confusion. I said, "I have only heard it referred to as the Cabatuan Airport by those who want Cabatuan to get credit for having the airport," which I still stand by as a true statement but obviously it needs some clarification and expansion. I have never heard anyone refer to the airport as the Cabatuan Airport, alone, without any other clarification or name. They usually always mention either before or after using the phrase "Cabutuan Airport" that it is either the new Iloilo airport or the one called the Santa Barbara airport. It is usually something like "the so-called Santa Barbara airport should really be called the Cabutuan Airport".
Are there any sources that refer to the airport as the Cabatuan Airport? Are links available?
Is anyone suggesting that we rename the article "Santa Barbara Airport"?
The airport is in Santa Barbara as well as Cabatuan and the entrance to the airport property and road is in Santa Barbara. It is therefore both understandable and accurate for people to refer to it as the Santa Barbara airport, meaning it is the airport whose entrance is in Santa Barbara. It is a little like people referring to the Statue of Liberty as being in New York even though it is in New Jersey. I do not think that it is fair to the people who use the term "Santa Barbara Airport" to say that it is inaccurate -- less accurate perhaps, less exact perhaps but not inaccurate. But we are not here to discuss the morality of people using the phrase "Santa Barbara Airport".
I think that all three names are accurate -- there is not only one accurate name -- since the airport property is located in both Cabatuan and Santa Barbara, both in Iloilo, and since it serves Iloilo City, but the three names are not used equally. In my experience, and I think that is reflected roughly in this article, the names are used in descending order of usage -- "Iloilo Airport", "Santa Barbara Airport" and "Cabatuan Airport". -- Iloilo Wanderer ( talk) 12:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
I find the infobox title not that readable. To make everything more readable and understandable -- especially the "(Cabutuan Airport)" -- I changed the size of the font of "(Cabutuan Airport)". My change was reverted. I prefer the different font size. Is anyone with me? What's the WP:Consensus? -- Iloilo Wanderer ( talk) 12:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
I added in phrase "and colloquially the Santa Barbara Airport after the town of Santa Barbara, Iloilo location of the access road's entrance" and provided a citation. User:Tumandokkangcabatuan deleted that phrase, that cited fact that people call it the Santa Barbara Airport, and his reasoning is above in a section about the article's title. Since including the "Santa Barbara Airport" in the text is a different issue of the article title, I have started a new section. Please see the above section for Tumandokkangcabatuan's reasoning.
I think that it is undeniable that people call it the "Santa Barbara Airport". The U.S. Navy said in a news story "A Philippine Air Force C-130 cargo plane arrived at Iloilo's Santa Barbara airport loaded with food supplies" [2]. The Lonely Planet guide book says "The airport is 15km north of town in Santa Barbara." [3] A book about World War II says "the 40th Recon Troop headed out to seize the Santa Barbara Airport." [4] Finally, more colloquial is a board post that says "the Santa Barbara Airport in Iloilo is 22 kilometers from Iloilo City."[http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1564958&page=117] It is undenialbe that people refer to it as the Santa Barbara Airport. That fact must be mentioned in this article.
Tumandokkangcabatuan says calling it the Santa Barbara airport is "illogical, inaccurate and misleading" and it "boggles" his mind that anyone would want to include such information in Wikipedia. It may be illogical, inaccurate and misleading but humans beings are in fact illogical, inaccurate and misleading and so is human language. And we need to mention common names regardless of their truthfulness because we want this article to be complete. Therefore what it is commonly called (even if it is not THE MOST colloquial name which I think goes to the "Iloilo Airport") needs to be mentioned, if for no other reason that the disabuse readers of this common misconception. In my mind, this commonly used name must be included in this article or else this article would be incomplete.
It is not up to Wikipedia to decide what it should be called. That it is the job of others. It is our job to report what it is called. -- Iloilo Wanderer ( talk) 17:51, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
"Also known as the Santa Barbara Airport" is a true and accurate statement. All the arguments above have to do with whether that name SHOULD be used, not whether it IS used. It is undeniable that people call it the "Santa Barbara Airport". Some may think that people are idiots for calling it that but it is undeniable that "Santa Barbara Airport" is a common name. Therefore the question is not whether to mention it but how to mention it. Can we get beyond the debate over accuracy of the name "Santa Barbara Airport" to discuss how to mention the name? I have made some changes to the text. If better we can discuss them here. -- Iloilo Wanderer ( talk) 02:32, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Give the discussion above I propose that we add a section under the subtitle "name" with the following wording and citations.. Let's see if we can reach a consensus per WP:Consensus.
The airport is known by a variety of names including the "Iloilo Airport", the "Santa Barbara Airport" and the "Cabatuan Airport". Histories of World War II refer to that era's airport on the same location as the "Santa Barbara Airport". [1] More recent accounts have also called it the Santa Barbara airport including the U.S. Navy [2] and the Lonely Planet guide books. [3] [4] But the name "Santa Barbara Airport" has caused controversy. citation needed It persists despite the fact that the airport's facilities are in Cabatuan because the roads leading to it are in Santa Barbara, Iloilo including the first Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines checkpoint and most of main access road. citation needed It is through Santa Barbara that most passengers access the airport property.
I note that now there is no consensus. Not wanting to enter into an WP:Edit War I have not tried to edit the article further. But there must be a solution. We cannot keep going round-and-round. -- Iloilo Wanderer ( talk) 05:04, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
If some people refer to this as Santa Barbara Airport then that should be mentioned. It should be done in such a way as to ensure the reader knows that the airport is not in Santa Barbara. You could have something like "Although not in Santa Barbara, the airport is sometimes referred to, incorrectly, as Santa Barbara Airport." along with the necessary references. Not having the name, if it is used, is not helping the reader.
User:Tumandokkangcabatuan you mention WP:COMMONNAME but that does not apply here as there is no mention of moving the article or replacing every instance of Iloilo International Airport with Santa Barbara Airport. Also you say that Wikipedia should not include wrong/inaccurate information. That is partly true. The reality is that Wikipedia should not present wrong/inaccurate information in such a way to make it seem true. It is acceptable to provide information that is wrong/inaccurate and to explain why it is not true. An example of this is the Moon landing conspiracy theories where people believe that the US didn't land on the moon. Now the theories are not true and are full of wrong/inaccurate information but are given space on Wikipedia. But not in a way as to give them support. CambridgeBayWeather ( talk) 07:10, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
IMO, of course this name should be included per policy WP:TITLE#Treatment of alternative names, if reliably sourced and correctly described, as others have mentioned above. -- Chaswmsday ( talk) 07:39, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
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help page).http://www.iloiloairport.com is used as a source in the article. Does anyone know anything about it? Who created the website? Who wrote the content? There is no information about the author or publisher on the website and there is little in the way of references there as well.Does it comply with the standards of WP:SOURCE? If not, we should delete it and find another source. -- Iloilo Wanderer ( talk) 04:01, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I am Jose Nereo C. Lujan, the Chief of the Public Information and Community Affairs Office of the Province of Iloilo. Please be informed that the Iloilo International Airport is in Cabatuan, Iloilo, thus its secondary name is Cabatuan Airport. There is no way that it should have a secondary name "Santa Barbara Airport" for the reason that the access road is in the town of Santa Barbara. What happens if an access road is constructed from the town of San Miguel? Should it also have a secondary name "San Miguel Airport".
I have here an Identification Card (No. 3627) for the Iloilo Airport Security Committee, which expires February 2015, and the official address of the Iloilo International Airport is "Cabatuan, Iloilo".
You may reach me at my office:
Public Information and Community Affairs Office 2nd Floor, Iloilo Provincial Capitol Bonifacio Drive, Iloilo City Telfax: +63 33 3377837; Mobile: +63 918 5000483
I hope this settles the issue.
Thank you,
Nereo.lujan ( talk) 02:42, 11 December 2013 (UTC) Jose Nereo C. Lujan
Hi again, I have already provided you my name, official designation and contact details. If you need me to prove my credentials, I can send you an official communication with my scanned ID, passport or whatever that you may need. As an official of the Province of Iloilo, I have provided you with information which may help correct some information in your site. You said you have no way of telling who am I. I then request you to call the Office of the Governor of the Province of Iloilo at +63 33 3381561 and ask about me. Or you can visit
http://www.iloilo.gov.ph/the-ipg/officials/executive-officials/29-jose-nereo-c-lujan. Thank you.
Jose Nereo C. Lujan Chief, Public Information and Community Affairs Office 2nd Floor, Iloilo Provincial Capitol Bonifacio Drive, Iloilo City Telfax +63 33 3377837; Mobile +63 918 5000483 Nereo.lujan ( talk) 09:49, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
As the chief of the Public Information and Community Affairs Office of the Province of Iloilo, Philippines, I respectfully request Wikipedia to stop referring to the Iloilo International Airport as "Santa Barbara Airport" because this will be misleading. The purpose here is to provide the right information to the reading public and not to sow further confusion. The official name of the airport is "Iloilo International Airport" and its secondary name is "Cabatuan Airport". If you need an official communication from the Provincial Government of Iloilo regarding this matter, please provide me with an address or email where we can send our note. Salamat gid!
Jose Nereo C. Lujan Chief, Public Information and Community Affairs Office 2nd Floor, Iloilo Provincial Capitol Bonifacio Drive, Iloilo City Telfax +63 33 3377837; Mobile +63 918 5000483 Nereo.lujan ( talk) 00:31, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
How can you sue me for identity theft? Can I steal my own identity? Certainly not! Jose Nereo C. Lujan Chief, Public Information and Community Affairs Office 2nd Floor, Iloilo Provincial Capitol Bonifacio Drive, Iloilo City Telfax +63 33 3377837; Mobile +63 918 5000483 Nereo.lujan ( talk) 00:14, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
By the way, I noted that you cited http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=38063 as Reference No. 3, which is a news article written by an American who is not really familiar with the geography here. If you can't cite a Philippine-based or an Iloilo-based source that refers to the Iloilo International Airport as Santa Barbara Airport, I suggest that you stop referring to it as such. Thank you! Jose Nereo C. Lujan Chief, Public Information and Community Affairs Office 2nd Floor, Iloilo Provincial Capitol Bonifacio Drive, Iloilo City Telfax +63 33 3377837; Mobile +63 918 5000483 Nereo.lujan ( talk) 04:17, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
We seem to have multiple discussions on the same subject and the reluctance of some editors not to accept the view of others. Clearly this is becoming disruptive a compromise edit was made please consider that such discussions are not a win or lose but an answer that is not one or the other, perhaps we can close this subject now, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 17:28, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
I'd like to provide some similar examples. The Angono Petroglyphs is actually in Binangonan, Rizal and not in Angono. It was named that because the access is from Angono. Similarly, the Pagsanjan Falls is actually in Cavinti, Laguna and not in Pagsanjan. The access to the falls is upstream from Pagsanjan. -- seav ( talk) 13:13, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I have read this article in wikipedia because I am very much concerned also with Iloilo International Airport or Cabatuan Airport. We work in the contractor side during the construction of the airport. When I read this article here in wikipedia, I wonder why there is a Sta. Barbara Airport when there is actually no airport in Sta. Barbara. Only 2km of 3km access road from the main highway belongs to Sta. Barbara. The rest of the access road until it reaches the airport belongs to Cabatuan. Now I have a question, what if the original plan, in which the access road will be passing through Brgy. Tiring, Cabatuan, Iloilo only had pushed through, will you still call it Sta. Barbara Airport as an alternative name, because it is a nearby town or San Miguel Airport because it is also a nearby town? Dear editors can you correct this article so that your reader will not be misled please? 175.157.127.136 ( talk)
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The term "Santa Barbara Airport" should not be put in the lead as an "alternative name" because it is inaccurate. According to this wiki page (link below), it is better not to put any information at all rather than put misleading or false information:
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Wikipedia must change to a typeface that distinguishes between capital I and lower-case L (l). This stupid typeface leaves it unclear whether this airport is IIoilo, lloilo, or Iloilo. Those 3 all look the same, though those are 3 different spellings. You must look in edit mode to see the differences, where a different typeface is used that does so distinguish. Spelled all in capitals those 3 are IIOILO, LLOILO, AND ILOILO. Because this does not appear to be English, I must leave open the possibility that the word begins with 2 capital letters. Who's going to change that typeface?--it's way beyond my capability. Korky Day ( talk) 21:50, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Some of the tenses of the paragraphs, especially those that relate to planning and construction still use the simple present or present progressive or simple future tenses when these should be simple past, past perfect, or past progressive tenses. -- seav ( talk) 02:44, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
According to the new classification of airports by the CAAP (Civial aviation Authority of the Philippines), Iloilo is not classified as an International Airport but a Principal (class 1) airport meaning it does not have facilities for immigration entry. In fact Kalibo is the only airport in the western visayas region that has been classified as International. see http://www.caap.gov.ph/Downloads/ncaapcoa.pdf for further information. Cemby ( talk) 17:02, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
This airport ONLY serves ILOILO CITY. PASSI CITY is not served by this airport based on how the airlines (PAL, Cebu Pacific, etc.) market/label this airport. As they market it as ILOILO CITY, the said city is the major city associated by this airport. You do not hear airlines say "Fly to Passi City!". Furthermore, Passi City is not a major city as it is only a fourth class city. Unless if a verifiable source is provided that says all these airlines associate this airport with Passi City, please refrain from indicating Passi City as a city-served based on the infobox guidelines. Thank you. pikdig ( talk) 17:43, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
I can certainly understand the concerns here, I would encourage in this case to use WP:IAR as a compromise as it covers the concern of the other editor. I admit I did have reservations about the reliability of the source myself as evidenced on Tumandokkangcabatuan's page. I think that in this case especially becasue it's not a BLP it should pass but if nec we can open a RFC on this to find a consensus too. Hell In A Bucket ( talk) 13:29, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Why is there a wikipedia page for Mandurriao Airport and none for Cabatuan Airport, when these two were just the same Iloilo Airport that was just transferred from Mandurriao, Iloilo City to Cabatuan, Iloilo?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandurriao_Airport
The old Iloilo Airport at Mandurriao and the new Iloilo International Airport at Cabatuan are both officially named Iloilo Airport. If the wikipedia page of the old Iloilo Airport at Mandurriao is titled after its location and not its official name, then you should as well title this one as Cabatuan International Airport.
As a compromise that accommodates both official name, and location name as exemplified by the Mandurriao Airport, how about retitling this article as "Iloilo International Airport (Cabatuan Airport)"
Tumandokkangcabatuan ( talk) 01:54, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
As exemplified by the
Mandurriao Airport, it seems that it is also correct to title the airport after its location.
However, I am not replacing Iloilo International Airport as title for this article. Instead, I am just adding Cabatuan Airport next to it.
As in, ILOILO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT (CABATUAN AIRPORT)
Tumandokkangcabatuan ( talk) 12:52, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
User:Tumandokkangcabatuan please refrain from attacking me personally. I am insulted by accusations of "apparent bias" and of brushing off people and by statements that I have written things that I have never written or that I have positions and beliefs that I do not have. There is no need for such attacks and it makes me feel like I should respond in kind. which is very human but against the culture of Wikipedia and basic human decency and civility.
Let me repeat and clarify one statement since there is some confusion. I said, "I have only heard it referred to as the Cabatuan Airport by those who want Cabatuan to get credit for having the airport," which I still stand by as a true statement but obviously it needs some clarification and expansion. I have never heard anyone refer to the airport as the Cabatuan Airport, alone, without any other clarification or name. They usually always mention either before or after using the phrase "Cabutuan Airport" that it is either the new Iloilo airport or the one called the Santa Barbara airport. It is usually something like "the so-called Santa Barbara airport should really be called the Cabutuan Airport".
Are there any sources that refer to the airport as the Cabatuan Airport? Are links available?
Is anyone suggesting that we rename the article "Santa Barbara Airport"?
The airport is in Santa Barbara as well as Cabatuan and the entrance to the airport property and road is in Santa Barbara. It is therefore both understandable and accurate for people to refer to it as the Santa Barbara airport, meaning it is the airport whose entrance is in Santa Barbara. It is a little like people referring to the Statue of Liberty as being in New York even though it is in New Jersey. I do not think that it is fair to the people who use the term "Santa Barbara Airport" to say that it is inaccurate -- less accurate perhaps, less exact perhaps but not inaccurate. But we are not here to discuss the morality of people using the phrase "Santa Barbara Airport".
I think that all three names are accurate -- there is not only one accurate name -- since the airport property is located in both Cabatuan and Santa Barbara, both in Iloilo, and since it serves Iloilo City, but the three names are not used equally. In my experience, and I think that is reflected roughly in this article, the names are used in descending order of usage -- "Iloilo Airport", "Santa Barbara Airport" and "Cabatuan Airport". -- Iloilo Wanderer ( talk) 12:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
I find the infobox title not that readable. To make everything more readable and understandable -- especially the "(Cabutuan Airport)" -- I changed the size of the font of "(Cabutuan Airport)". My change was reverted. I prefer the different font size. Is anyone with me? What's the WP:Consensus? -- Iloilo Wanderer ( talk) 12:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
I added in phrase "and colloquially the Santa Barbara Airport after the town of Santa Barbara, Iloilo location of the access road's entrance" and provided a citation. User:Tumandokkangcabatuan deleted that phrase, that cited fact that people call it the Santa Barbara Airport, and his reasoning is above in a section about the article's title. Since including the "Santa Barbara Airport" in the text is a different issue of the article title, I have started a new section. Please see the above section for Tumandokkangcabatuan's reasoning.
I think that it is undeniable that people call it the "Santa Barbara Airport". The U.S. Navy said in a news story "A Philippine Air Force C-130 cargo plane arrived at Iloilo's Santa Barbara airport loaded with food supplies" [2]. The Lonely Planet guide book says "The airport is 15km north of town in Santa Barbara." [3] A book about World War II says "the 40th Recon Troop headed out to seize the Santa Barbara Airport." [4] Finally, more colloquial is a board post that says "the Santa Barbara Airport in Iloilo is 22 kilometers from Iloilo City."[http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1564958&page=117] It is undenialbe that people refer to it as the Santa Barbara Airport. That fact must be mentioned in this article.
Tumandokkangcabatuan says calling it the Santa Barbara airport is "illogical, inaccurate and misleading" and it "boggles" his mind that anyone would want to include such information in Wikipedia. It may be illogical, inaccurate and misleading but humans beings are in fact illogical, inaccurate and misleading and so is human language. And we need to mention common names regardless of their truthfulness because we want this article to be complete. Therefore what it is commonly called (even if it is not THE MOST colloquial name which I think goes to the "Iloilo Airport") needs to be mentioned, if for no other reason that the disabuse readers of this common misconception. In my mind, this commonly used name must be included in this article or else this article would be incomplete.
It is not up to Wikipedia to decide what it should be called. That it is the job of others. It is our job to report what it is called. -- Iloilo Wanderer ( talk) 17:51, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
"Also known as the Santa Barbara Airport" is a true and accurate statement. All the arguments above have to do with whether that name SHOULD be used, not whether it IS used. It is undeniable that people call it the "Santa Barbara Airport". Some may think that people are idiots for calling it that but it is undeniable that "Santa Barbara Airport" is a common name. Therefore the question is not whether to mention it but how to mention it. Can we get beyond the debate over accuracy of the name "Santa Barbara Airport" to discuss how to mention the name? I have made some changes to the text. If better we can discuss them here. -- Iloilo Wanderer ( talk) 02:32, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Give the discussion above I propose that we add a section under the subtitle "name" with the following wording and citations.. Let's see if we can reach a consensus per WP:Consensus.
The airport is known by a variety of names including the "Iloilo Airport", the "Santa Barbara Airport" and the "Cabatuan Airport". Histories of World War II refer to that era's airport on the same location as the "Santa Barbara Airport". [1] More recent accounts have also called it the Santa Barbara airport including the U.S. Navy [2] and the Lonely Planet guide books. [3] [4] But the name "Santa Barbara Airport" has caused controversy. citation needed It persists despite the fact that the airport's facilities are in Cabatuan because the roads leading to it are in Santa Barbara, Iloilo including the first Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines checkpoint and most of main access road. citation needed It is through Santa Barbara that most passengers access the airport property.
I note that now there is no consensus. Not wanting to enter into an WP:Edit War I have not tried to edit the article further. But there must be a solution. We cannot keep going round-and-round. -- Iloilo Wanderer ( talk) 05:04, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
If some people refer to this as Santa Barbara Airport then that should be mentioned. It should be done in such a way as to ensure the reader knows that the airport is not in Santa Barbara. You could have something like "Although not in Santa Barbara, the airport is sometimes referred to, incorrectly, as Santa Barbara Airport." along with the necessary references. Not having the name, if it is used, is not helping the reader.
User:Tumandokkangcabatuan you mention WP:COMMONNAME but that does not apply here as there is no mention of moving the article or replacing every instance of Iloilo International Airport with Santa Barbara Airport. Also you say that Wikipedia should not include wrong/inaccurate information. That is partly true. The reality is that Wikipedia should not present wrong/inaccurate information in such a way to make it seem true. It is acceptable to provide information that is wrong/inaccurate and to explain why it is not true. An example of this is the Moon landing conspiracy theories where people believe that the US didn't land on the moon. Now the theories are not true and are full of wrong/inaccurate information but are given space on Wikipedia. But not in a way as to give them support. CambridgeBayWeather ( talk) 07:10, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
IMO, of course this name should be included per policy WP:TITLE#Treatment of alternative names, if reliably sourced and correctly described, as others have mentioned above. -- Chaswmsday ( talk) 07:39, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
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help page).http://www.iloiloairport.com is used as a source in the article. Does anyone know anything about it? Who created the website? Who wrote the content? There is no information about the author or publisher on the website and there is little in the way of references there as well.Does it comply with the standards of WP:SOURCE? If not, we should delete it and find another source. -- Iloilo Wanderer ( talk) 04:01, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I am Jose Nereo C. Lujan, the Chief of the Public Information and Community Affairs Office of the Province of Iloilo. Please be informed that the Iloilo International Airport is in Cabatuan, Iloilo, thus its secondary name is Cabatuan Airport. There is no way that it should have a secondary name "Santa Barbara Airport" for the reason that the access road is in the town of Santa Barbara. What happens if an access road is constructed from the town of San Miguel? Should it also have a secondary name "San Miguel Airport".
I have here an Identification Card (No. 3627) for the Iloilo Airport Security Committee, which expires February 2015, and the official address of the Iloilo International Airport is "Cabatuan, Iloilo".
You may reach me at my office:
Public Information and Community Affairs Office 2nd Floor, Iloilo Provincial Capitol Bonifacio Drive, Iloilo City Telfax: +63 33 3377837; Mobile: +63 918 5000483
I hope this settles the issue.
Thank you,
Nereo.lujan ( talk) 02:42, 11 December 2013 (UTC) Jose Nereo C. Lujan
Hi again, I have already provided you my name, official designation and contact details. If you need me to prove my credentials, I can send you an official communication with my scanned ID, passport or whatever that you may need. As an official of the Province of Iloilo, I have provided you with information which may help correct some information in your site. You said you have no way of telling who am I. I then request you to call the Office of the Governor of the Province of Iloilo at +63 33 3381561 and ask about me. Or you can visit
http://www.iloilo.gov.ph/the-ipg/officials/executive-officials/29-jose-nereo-c-lujan. Thank you.
Jose Nereo C. Lujan Chief, Public Information and Community Affairs Office 2nd Floor, Iloilo Provincial Capitol Bonifacio Drive, Iloilo City Telfax +63 33 3377837; Mobile +63 918 5000483 Nereo.lujan ( talk) 09:49, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
As the chief of the Public Information and Community Affairs Office of the Province of Iloilo, Philippines, I respectfully request Wikipedia to stop referring to the Iloilo International Airport as "Santa Barbara Airport" because this will be misleading. The purpose here is to provide the right information to the reading public and not to sow further confusion. The official name of the airport is "Iloilo International Airport" and its secondary name is "Cabatuan Airport". If you need an official communication from the Provincial Government of Iloilo regarding this matter, please provide me with an address or email where we can send our note. Salamat gid!
Jose Nereo C. Lujan Chief, Public Information and Community Affairs Office 2nd Floor, Iloilo Provincial Capitol Bonifacio Drive, Iloilo City Telfax +63 33 3377837; Mobile +63 918 5000483 Nereo.lujan ( talk) 00:31, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
How can you sue me for identity theft? Can I steal my own identity? Certainly not! Jose Nereo C. Lujan Chief, Public Information and Community Affairs Office 2nd Floor, Iloilo Provincial Capitol Bonifacio Drive, Iloilo City Telfax +63 33 3377837; Mobile +63 918 5000483 Nereo.lujan ( talk) 00:14, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
By the way, I noted that you cited http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=38063 as Reference No. 3, which is a news article written by an American who is not really familiar with the geography here. If you can't cite a Philippine-based or an Iloilo-based source that refers to the Iloilo International Airport as Santa Barbara Airport, I suggest that you stop referring to it as such. Thank you! Jose Nereo C. Lujan Chief, Public Information and Community Affairs Office 2nd Floor, Iloilo Provincial Capitol Bonifacio Drive, Iloilo City Telfax +63 33 3377837; Mobile +63 918 5000483 Nereo.lujan ( talk) 04:17, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
We seem to have multiple discussions on the same subject and the reluctance of some editors not to accept the view of others. Clearly this is becoming disruptive a compromise edit was made please consider that such discussions are not a win or lose but an answer that is not one or the other, perhaps we can close this subject now, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 17:28, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
I'd like to provide some similar examples. The Angono Petroglyphs is actually in Binangonan, Rizal and not in Angono. It was named that because the access is from Angono. Similarly, the Pagsanjan Falls is actually in Cavinti, Laguna and not in Pagsanjan. The access to the falls is upstream from Pagsanjan. -- seav ( talk) 13:13, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I have read this article in wikipedia because I am very much concerned also with Iloilo International Airport or Cabatuan Airport. We work in the contractor side during the construction of the airport. When I read this article here in wikipedia, I wonder why there is a Sta. Barbara Airport when there is actually no airport in Sta. Barbara. Only 2km of 3km access road from the main highway belongs to Sta. Barbara. The rest of the access road until it reaches the airport belongs to Cabatuan. Now I have a question, what if the original plan, in which the access road will be passing through Brgy. Tiring, Cabatuan, Iloilo only had pushed through, will you still call it Sta. Barbara Airport as an alternative name, because it is a nearby town or San Miguel Airport because it is also a nearby town? Dear editors can you correct this article so that your reader will not be misled please? 175.157.127.136 ( talk)
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The term "Santa Barbara Airport" should not be put in the lead as an "alternative name" because it is inaccurate. According to this wiki page (link below), it is better not to put any information at all rather than put misleading or false information:
1. There is no airport in Santa Barbara, Iloilo, past or present. There is no runway nor terminals in that town. The old Iloilo Airport is located far away in Mandurriao, and the new one is located in Cabatuan. 2. It is not the official name of that airport, whether past or present. The official name of the old airport and the new airport is Iloilo Airport. 3. Sta. Barbara is not a city being served by the airport. There are only two cities in the Province of Iloilo, Passi City and Iloilo City. Tumandokkangcabatuan ( talk) 05:38, 26 February 2014 (UTC) |
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The source for Santa Barbara Airport is not sufficient and not reliable, as the U.S. Navy was unfamiliar with the place, being there only for a few days visit, busily doing emergency typhoon relief.
Without significant, reliable and authoritative sources, the term Santa Barbara Airport is merely original research or hearsay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tumandokkangcabatuan ( talk • contribs) 11:13, 10 May 2014
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