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According to the critical recognition section, Illmatic was "...criticized its brevity (it contained only nine songs and one skit; unusual for a hip hop album)", Not saying that an album with 10 tracks is particularly extensive, but lots of classic rap albums aren't that legnthy either. For example, Raising Hell by Run-D.M.C. has just 12 tracks, one of which is 27 seconds long. Paid in Full by Eric B. & Rakim has seven songs, three instrumentals, and was later remastered with two songs remixed/extended. Unless someone can actually find a review saying "Geez, why is this album so short?" or something, it my be good to rethink this sentence. At least the part saying it's "unusual for a hip-hop album", since it's obviously not written in stone that a hip-hop album has to be long. 2Pac 21:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
This is not "gangsta rap." Gangsta rap is a term properly used only to describe west coast hip-hop. East coast hip-hop works fine as a description on its own. -- b. Touch 21:46, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
(*Copyrighted lyric reprint removed 3/5/06* --
FuriousFreddy
17:45, 4 March 2006 (UTC))
[link to copyvio website removed]
These are lyrics from two of the best known songs from Illmatic, and they sound like gangsta rap to me.......Though not “Gangsta Rap” in a conventional sense, Illmatic incorporates several elements characteristic of the Mafioso rap: frequent references to famous crime figures (i.e. "of pain I'm like Scarface"...."and lamp like Capone") and cinematic tales of crime and drug-dealing told in first-person. That is what makes Illmatic such an abberation, since it eschews the macho posturing that we tend to associate with West Coast Gangsta Rap (see G-Funk) --chub 16:43, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to have to agree with chubdub here-- 24.91.137.243 21:44, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
The track "Genisis," starts with a audio sample of the 1982 film Wild Style starring well known grafitti writters Lee and Pink (or Lady Pink). While Nas talks to AZ, Nas's first song is played in the background, "Live at the BBQ." Nas made another ode to Wild Style shooting his first video, "It Ain't Hard to Tell," on the same stage as the finale scene for the film. Source: Nas' (Music) Video Anthology Vol. 1 , http://www.rapreviews.com/archive/BTTL_illmatic.html -- Pointyfingers 17:07, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
I labeled each track with its corresponding producer because solo hip hop artists almost always use tracks from producers other than the one executive producing their album. Even an album produced by a famous producer will often feature tracks from others or the artists themselves (Eminem’s Slim Shady LP), unless the artist/producer collaboration states otherwise (Hi-Tek and Talib Kweli’s Reflection Eternal or Blueprint and RJD2 as Soul Position). The majority of hip hop artists, however, remain solo acts that strive to gather instrumentals from one side of the industry to the other. Because of this, I don’t think the standard album infobox template is inefficient at describing the details of a hip hop album. (Perhaps each integral genre of music should have a slightly different template.)
I suggest that only the executive producer be named under producer in the album template and each track be labeled with its producer, i.e. (prd. …) or (produced by …).
Production is important. It lets you see who did what, how their music evolves and relates to other things they produced. Kanye West is a perfect example, he did talib’s “get by” mobb deep’s “throw your hands up” and used excerpts from both those previous recording to make john legends “I used to love you” and talib’s “I try.” Knowing details like that (and I think most people did) almost bridge songs to each other, and it certainly paints a portrait of kanye’s style, for those interested in this kinda shit anyway. -- Pointyfingers 19:54, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
How did the name Illmatic come to be? -- daunrealist 22:04, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
It was the tagname of an incarcarated friend of Nas'. - Mittens
There was an apparent contratiction in this version of the article:
Part of the reason for Illmatic's acclaim was the diversity of its subject matter that revolved around nihilistic descriptions of gang warfare, desolation, and the ravages of urban poverty. Throughout the album, Nas creates highly detailed first person narratives that deconstruct the troubling lives of inner city teenagers. For instance, on the song entitled "One Love", Nas assumes the role of a man who writes a series of passionate letters to a friend in prison, which recount several people both men knew and the events that have occurred since the receiver's imprisonment. Furthermore, Nas celebrates life’s pleasures and achievements —acknowledging violence as a feature of his socio-economic conditions rather than the focus of his life. While certain songs such as "N.Y. State of Mind" depict the misfortunes and perils that accompany street life, others such as "Life's a Bitch", celebrate the plethora of life's opportunities and accomplishments:ni
How can passionate songs that "celebrates life’s pleasures" be nihilistic? TheJabberwock 03:09, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Also, I believe the lyrics quoted after that paragraph are wrong. It says "The essence of adolescent leaves my body", and I'm pretty sure it should be "the essence of adolescence", but I haven't corrected it because I might be wrong, English is not my native language. So, which is it? Edesimuh 07:09, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Is this article really short enough to be a stub? TheJabberwock 00:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
According to the WP:ALBUM
The songs which already have their own articles are singles. The rest of the songs weren't singles, and therefore, do not necessarily require their own articles, unless you feel their is a urgent need to do them. -- P.O.N.Y. 02:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Giving each song it's own articl e is going way too far IMHO. That is not really encyclopeidc. We're really pushes the boundries of fancruft. Ted87 20:31, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
I was just going off of what they had done for The Beatles, which I thought was a very thorough article as they had articles for each song, even those that weren't singles. I thought it'd be interesting to have break downs of each song of one hip hop's more important albums. However, I ain't gonna add something that'll be taken down anyway so I'll chill with it.
Richard Corey
18:47, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Here's what I had in mind (its only a draft, so don't be mad that its of poor quality at this moment). See if you think this draft does the album justice. Are there any adjustments I should make before I insert it into the article iteself? Are these many quotes necessary? Should I convert the entire segment into a prose instead of just a series of quotes? -- P.O.N.Y. 22:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Great job. Mostly you can see what I changed in my edit. I took out a couple quotes which didn't fit, and merged another with the text. I need you {P.O.N.Y.) to find the citations for those quotes. Thanks for your work. TheJ abb erw ʘck 01:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Its good. But perhaps you should include pictures of the producers that were quoted? Chubdub 02:29, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
It needs a lot of work in my opinion -- 24.91.242.154 21:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea to have a "quote section" similiar to The Wall? -- Chubdub 02:28, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Anybody know why that little box appears under "Rank" in the accolades table? TheJ abb erw ʘck 01:34, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I know this was addressed during the FAC, but it is possible (and, from an encyclopedic standpoint, preferable) to paraphrase and adapt text from large quoted blocks, rather than to copy and paste them in their entirety. -- FuriousFreddy 06:14, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Am I the only person that has not forgotten about the re-release of "Illmatic" in 2004 that featured six extra songs that were not on the original "Illmatic". Someone needs to write an article on that second disc that featured remixes of "The World Is Yours", "Life's A Bitch", "It Ain't Hard To Tell" & "Life's A Bitch." It also features new songs "On The Real" and "Star Wars."
I agree. ( Rishi B 01:11, 9 July 2006 (UTC))
I think information should be added about the many remixes of songs from this album that came about... the World is Yours and It Ain't Hard to tell are probably the most notable.. they're part of Nas' sets nowadays. Not many people know about the Memory Lane remix either... ( Rishi B 01:11, 9 July 2006 (UTC))
One Love has two notable remixes, one that came out via Nas (can't remember who produced it), another by MF Doom... The non-Doom remix is on Nas's Myspace page.
Although there is some talk about music video's of songs on Illmatic, there should be a full section dedicated to it. At least the section should be as complete as this
It seems to me that, per the inverted pyramid style of writing, essential information such as the track listing should go at the top and above such a detailed history and analysis of the album. But otherwise, congratulations to everyone who worked on this article. It's nice to see some diversity among our daily featured articles. — GT 00:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Why are we removing requests for citations on the influences? If our only source for these influences is by interpreting the other artists' lyrics, and this connection has never been drawn by any other commentator, we are not conforming to Wikipedia:No original research. If we are unwilling to provide secondary sources for these claims, can we at least identify what we are interpreting as a statement of influence by referencing the lyrics? Jkelly 20:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Canibus
Just Blaze and Saigon
Alchemist
Talib Kweli
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:X4PhRbYjQ1kJ:www.playbackstl.com/Current/profiles/kweli.htm+Illmatic+%22Talib+Kweli%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=49 Chubdub 15:56, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Why is the image from "The World Is Yours (Remix)" music video in this article. It has nothing to do with Illmatic and should only be needed in The World Is Yours (Nas song) article.
What do you mean it has nothing to do with Illmatic? Its a music video for a single (remix version) that was used to promote the album? Chubdub 03:29, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Does anybody think we should do an article for each song like what was done for each Beatles album. (see Abbey Road)?
It says: "The cover of Bow Wow's Wanted was modeled after that of Illmatic" and it shows a picture. Yet, I don't see a striking resemblence.....
The head... the urban background... the "street" feel (of the cover that is). - Mittens
As per WP:ALBUMS#Chronology, for an artist's debut album, the previous album section should be left blank (no en dash). According to WP:FU and WP:MUSTARD#Discographies stipulations, album covers should not be used in the chronology section of an infobox, or in an artist's discography page. Additionally, Illmatic and It Was Written have the only infoboxes that I have seen so far that use album covers in said section. Therefore there is no general consensus, and the existing guidelines should remain intact. Finally, the given example in WP:ALBUMS#Infobox shows that producers should be separated by commas, and that they should not have their own line. Please also see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums#Infobox_.28chronology_and_producer.29_questions. -- NPswimdude500 23:09, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
How on earth do we have such a well written and organized track listing for this album, and yet the track duration is missing?????? I'm not good with the Track Listing Box so could someone who knows what they are doing add the TRACK DURATION to the track listing box? Wuthai 03:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I am concerned about the volume of material taken from a single source and incorporated into this article. This topic is not obscure enough to justify so much material from one source in the first place, in the second place The Source probably owns the copyright on the material, and may object to the volume of material taken from its article for this Wikipedia article. Please address this issue ASAP. KP Botany 03:32, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I own the 10th Anniversary Addition of Illmatic and was wondering if anyone wanted me to load the cover art of it. Noahdabomb3 03:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Rest looks good to me for Good Article standards. M3tal H3ad 07:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
why isnt this a featured article anymore?
The article is a long encomium; aside from the PoV language of some of the material and headers, and the unsourced claims to the album's supposedly huge significance, there's no balance — no indication that anyone has ever said anything less than wholly complimentary about the album. -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 13:55, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
If there's a lack of balance, that's because the general consensus among reviewers and the hip-hop community has been unbalanced in the album's favor. Wikipedia should try to reflect this; including a disproportionate amount of subjective criticism would be false reporting in an objective sense. There's a reason this was a featured article, and at that time it had essentially the same type of POV. If you If you want to seek out and include negative criticism, it is up to you to do so, but the article as it stands does not lack the type of NPOV balance that you mention. Do not call the entirety of the article's contents into question because of your personal views. --
130.64.130.214
00:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I think there are some POV issues. For instance, there is the quote "Nas, however, made a significant comeback with the aptly-titled, Stillmatic, and his subsequent albums have received positive reviews as well. Nevertheless, most fans still regard Illmatic as his definitive album.[9]" in the "Later Nas albums" sections. I don't think the "as well" at the end of the quote acuratly represents the reception of Stillmatic. Stillmatic has gained aclaim in the years since its release, but initially it was given a negative review by Rolling Stone (
http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/111200/stillmatic), along with other publications. Still, I agree that there is no POV issue when it comes to Illmatic itself. --
Joaquin.sc
05:11, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
What happened to the list of samples used in each song?
I noticed the table that listed the songwriters, producers, samples etc. for the track listing was removed and replaced with only a list of song titles. An edit war then ensued between the table and list format, which is why the article is currently fully-protected. WP:ALBUM#Track_listing says production details should be formatted as a numbered list and a table should be used for more complicated situations. So why only list the song titles? Spellcast 13:36, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Table format's back. Thanks.
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why isnt it anymore what is the point of editing an article if it causes it to not be featured anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xx1994xx ( talk • contribs) 00:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Why isn't this featured??
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According to the critical recognition section, Illmatic was "...criticized its brevity (it contained only nine songs and one skit; unusual for a hip hop album)", Not saying that an album with 10 tracks is particularly extensive, but lots of classic rap albums aren't that legnthy either. For example, Raising Hell by Run-D.M.C. has just 12 tracks, one of which is 27 seconds long. Paid in Full by Eric B. & Rakim has seven songs, three instrumentals, and was later remastered with two songs remixed/extended. Unless someone can actually find a review saying "Geez, why is this album so short?" or something, it my be good to rethink this sentence. At least the part saying it's "unusual for a hip-hop album", since it's obviously not written in stone that a hip-hop album has to be long. 2Pac 21:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
This is not "gangsta rap." Gangsta rap is a term properly used only to describe west coast hip-hop. East coast hip-hop works fine as a description on its own. -- b. Touch 21:46, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
(*Copyrighted lyric reprint removed 3/5/06* --
FuriousFreddy
17:45, 4 March 2006 (UTC))
[link to copyvio website removed]
These are lyrics from two of the best known songs from Illmatic, and they sound like gangsta rap to me.......Though not “Gangsta Rap” in a conventional sense, Illmatic incorporates several elements characteristic of the Mafioso rap: frequent references to famous crime figures (i.e. "of pain I'm like Scarface"...."and lamp like Capone") and cinematic tales of crime and drug-dealing told in first-person. That is what makes Illmatic such an abberation, since it eschews the macho posturing that we tend to associate with West Coast Gangsta Rap (see G-Funk) --chub 16:43, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to have to agree with chubdub here-- 24.91.137.243 21:44, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
The track "Genisis," starts with a audio sample of the 1982 film Wild Style starring well known grafitti writters Lee and Pink (or Lady Pink). While Nas talks to AZ, Nas's first song is played in the background, "Live at the BBQ." Nas made another ode to Wild Style shooting his first video, "It Ain't Hard to Tell," on the same stage as the finale scene for the film. Source: Nas' (Music) Video Anthology Vol. 1 , http://www.rapreviews.com/archive/BTTL_illmatic.html -- Pointyfingers 17:07, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
I labeled each track with its corresponding producer because solo hip hop artists almost always use tracks from producers other than the one executive producing their album. Even an album produced by a famous producer will often feature tracks from others or the artists themselves (Eminem’s Slim Shady LP), unless the artist/producer collaboration states otherwise (Hi-Tek and Talib Kweli’s Reflection Eternal or Blueprint and RJD2 as Soul Position). The majority of hip hop artists, however, remain solo acts that strive to gather instrumentals from one side of the industry to the other. Because of this, I don’t think the standard album infobox template is inefficient at describing the details of a hip hop album. (Perhaps each integral genre of music should have a slightly different template.)
I suggest that only the executive producer be named under producer in the album template and each track be labeled with its producer, i.e. (prd. …) or (produced by …).
Production is important. It lets you see who did what, how their music evolves and relates to other things they produced. Kanye West is a perfect example, he did talib’s “get by” mobb deep’s “throw your hands up” and used excerpts from both those previous recording to make john legends “I used to love you” and talib’s “I try.” Knowing details like that (and I think most people did) almost bridge songs to each other, and it certainly paints a portrait of kanye’s style, for those interested in this kinda shit anyway. -- Pointyfingers 19:54, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
How did the name Illmatic come to be? -- daunrealist 22:04, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
It was the tagname of an incarcarated friend of Nas'. - Mittens
There was an apparent contratiction in this version of the article:
Part of the reason for Illmatic's acclaim was the diversity of its subject matter that revolved around nihilistic descriptions of gang warfare, desolation, and the ravages of urban poverty. Throughout the album, Nas creates highly detailed first person narratives that deconstruct the troubling lives of inner city teenagers. For instance, on the song entitled "One Love", Nas assumes the role of a man who writes a series of passionate letters to a friend in prison, which recount several people both men knew and the events that have occurred since the receiver's imprisonment. Furthermore, Nas celebrates life’s pleasures and achievements —acknowledging violence as a feature of his socio-economic conditions rather than the focus of his life. While certain songs such as "N.Y. State of Mind" depict the misfortunes and perils that accompany street life, others such as "Life's a Bitch", celebrate the plethora of life's opportunities and accomplishments:ni
How can passionate songs that "celebrates life’s pleasures" be nihilistic? TheJabberwock 03:09, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Also, I believe the lyrics quoted after that paragraph are wrong. It says "The essence of adolescent leaves my body", and I'm pretty sure it should be "the essence of adolescence", but I haven't corrected it because I might be wrong, English is not my native language. So, which is it? Edesimuh 07:09, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Is this article really short enough to be a stub? TheJabberwock 00:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
According to the WP:ALBUM
The songs which already have their own articles are singles. The rest of the songs weren't singles, and therefore, do not necessarily require their own articles, unless you feel their is a urgent need to do them. -- P.O.N.Y. 02:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Giving each song it's own articl e is going way too far IMHO. That is not really encyclopeidc. We're really pushes the boundries of fancruft. Ted87 20:31, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
I was just going off of what they had done for The Beatles, which I thought was a very thorough article as they had articles for each song, even those that weren't singles. I thought it'd be interesting to have break downs of each song of one hip hop's more important albums. However, I ain't gonna add something that'll be taken down anyway so I'll chill with it.
Richard Corey
18:47, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Here's what I had in mind (its only a draft, so don't be mad that its of poor quality at this moment). See if you think this draft does the album justice. Are there any adjustments I should make before I insert it into the article iteself? Are these many quotes necessary? Should I convert the entire segment into a prose instead of just a series of quotes? -- P.O.N.Y. 22:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Great job. Mostly you can see what I changed in my edit. I took out a couple quotes which didn't fit, and merged another with the text. I need you {P.O.N.Y.) to find the citations for those quotes. Thanks for your work. TheJ abb erw ʘck 01:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Its good. But perhaps you should include pictures of the producers that were quoted? Chubdub 02:29, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
It needs a lot of work in my opinion -- 24.91.242.154 21:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea to have a "quote section" similiar to The Wall? -- Chubdub 02:28, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Anybody know why that little box appears under "Rank" in the accolades table? TheJ abb erw ʘck 01:34, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I know this was addressed during the FAC, but it is possible (and, from an encyclopedic standpoint, preferable) to paraphrase and adapt text from large quoted blocks, rather than to copy and paste them in their entirety. -- FuriousFreddy 06:14, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Am I the only person that has not forgotten about the re-release of "Illmatic" in 2004 that featured six extra songs that were not on the original "Illmatic". Someone needs to write an article on that second disc that featured remixes of "The World Is Yours", "Life's A Bitch", "It Ain't Hard To Tell" & "Life's A Bitch." It also features new songs "On The Real" and "Star Wars."
I agree. ( Rishi B 01:11, 9 July 2006 (UTC))
I think information should be added about the many remixes of songs from this album that came about... the World is Yours and It Ain't Hard to tell are probably the most notable.. they're part of Nas' sets nowadays. Not many people know about the Memory Lane remix either... ( Rishi B 01:11, 9 July 2006 (UTC))
One Love has two notable remixes, one that came out via Nas (can't remember who produced it), another by MF Doom... The non-Doom remix is on Nas's Myspace page.
Although there is some talk about music video's of songs on Illmatic, there should be a full section dedicated to it. At least the section should be as complete as this
It seems to me that, per the inverted pyramid style of writing, essential information such as the track listing should go at the top and above such a detailed history and analysis of the album. But otherwise, congratulations to everyone who worked on this article. It's nice to see some diversity among our daily featured articles. — GT 00:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Why are we removing requests for citations on the influences? If our only source for these influences is by interpreting the other artists' lyrics, and this connection has never been drawn by any other commentator, we are not conforming to Wikipedia:No original research. If we are unwilling to provide secondary sources for these claims, can we at least identify what we are interpreting as a statement of influence by referencing the lyrics? Jkelly 20:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Canibus
Just Blaze and Saigon
Alchemist
Talib Kweli
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:X4PhRbYjQ1kJ:www.playbackstl.com/Current/profiles/kweli.htm+Illmatic+%22Talib+Kweli%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=49 Chubdub 15:56, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Why is the image from "The World Is Yours (Remix)" music video in this article. It has nothing to do with Illmatic and should only be needed in The World Is Yours (Nas song) article.
What do you mean it has nothing to do with Illmatic? Its a music video for a single (remix version) that was used to promote the album? Chubdub 03:29, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Does anybody think we should do an article for each song like what was done for each Beatles album. (see Abbey Road)?
It says: "The cover of Bow Wow's Wanted was modeled after that of Illmatic" and it shows a picture. Yet, I don't see a striking resemblence.....
The head... the urban background... the "street" feel (of the cover that is). - Mittens
As per WP:ALBUMS#Chronology, for an artist's debut album, the previous album section should be left blank (no en dash). According to WP:FU and WP:MUSTARD#Discographies stipulations, album covers should not be used in the chronology section of an infobox, or in an artist's discography page. Additionally, Illmatic and It Was Written have the only infoboxes that I have seen so far that use album covers in said section. Therefore there is no general consensus, and the existing guidelines should remain intact. Finally, the given example in WP:ALBUMS#Infobox shows that producers should be separated by commas, and that they should not have their own line. Please also see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums#Infobox_.28chronology_and_producer.29_questions. -- NPswimdude500 23:09, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
How on earth do we have such a well written and organized track listing for this album, and yet the track duration is missing?????? I'm not good with the Track Listing Box so could someone who knows what they are doing add the TRACK DURATION to the track listing box? Wuthai 03:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I am concerned about the volume of material taken from a single source and incorporated into this article. This topic is not obscure enough to justify so much material from one source in the first place, in the second place The Source probably owns the copyright on the material, and may object to the volume of material taken from its article for this Wikipedia article. Please address this issue ASAP. KP Botany 03:32, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I own the 10th Anniversary Addition of Illmatic and was wondering if anyone wanted me to load the cover art of it. Noahdabomb3 03:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Rest looks good to me for Good Article standards. M3tal H3ad 07:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
why isnt this a featured article anymore?
The article is a long encomium; aside from the PoV language of some of the material and headers, and the unsourced claims to the album's supposedly huge significance, there's no balance — no indication that anyone has ever said anything less than wholly complimentary about the album. -- Mel Etitis ( Talk) 13:55, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
If there's a lack of balance, that's because the general consensus among reviewers and the hip-hop community has been unbalanced in the album's favor. Wikipedia should try to reflect this; including a disproportionate amount of subjective criticism would be false reporting in an objective sense. There's a reason this was a featured article, and at that time it had essentially the same type of POV. If you If you want to seek out and include negative criticism, it is up to you to do so, but the article as it stands does not lack the type of NPOV balance that you mention. Do not call the entirety of the article's contents into question because of your personal views. --
130.64.130.214
00:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I think there are some POV issues. For instance, there is the quote "Nas, however, made a significant comeback with the aptly-titled, Stillmatic, and his subsequent albums have received positive reviews as well. Nevertheless, most fans still regard Illmatic as his definitive album.[9]" in the "Later Nas albums" sections. I don't think the "as well" at the end of the quote acuratly represents the reception of Stillmatic. Stillmatic has gained aclaim in the years since its release, but initially it was given a negative review by Rolling Stone (
http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/111200/stillmatic), along with other publications. Still, I agree that there is no POV issue when it comes to Illmatic itself. --
Joaquin.sc
05:11, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
What happened to the list of samples used in each song?
I noticed the table that listed the songwriters, producers, samples etc. for the track listing was removed and replaced with only a list of song titles. An edit war then ensued between the table and list format, which is why the article is currently fully-protected. WP:ALBUM#Track_listing says production details should be formatted as a numbered list and a table should be used for more complicated situations. So why only list the song titles? Spellcast 13:36, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Table format's back. Thanks.
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why isnt it anymore what is the point of editing an article if it causes it to not be featured anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xx1994xx ( talk • contribs) 00:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Why isn't this featured??