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Should this be Iberian federalism? -- Error 18:18, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
The poll at the very end of the entry showing high percentages of Portuguese folks cheering a united country with Spain is just hillarious. It is like in California they made a poll asking whether they should merge with México, lots of people would say "yes" just because...it is not going to happen because it is not in the agenda, not even remotely. Someone who is not familiar about Portugal nationalist sentiment vs. Spain may be misled by this one. Mountolive 20:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
As for the king of Spain, that is natural; he was exiled in Portugal during the former Spanish regime, speaks fluent Portuguese and as all modern kings do nothing that is politically controversial, so that is not a surprise that people see him as a nice person. As for people preferring Madrid, well that's really really odd. Unexplainable.
-- Pedro 20:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
The green-red-yellow flag is actually a drawing I made in paint while discussing the Portuguese poll in a Spanish forum, Meristation. Look how badly had been erasedthe Portuguese and Spanish coat of arms from "my" design, which had a classical Austro-Hungarian taste. Said flag had not exised or waved ever, if i'm not mistaken.-- Menah the Great 13:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to change "was an ideology" to "is ..." because: a) pt.wiki has "é" and es.wiki has "es" and b) even if political parties aren't supporting it, José Saramago is alive and arguing for Iberism and so is Carlos Saura so it can't be said to be dead. A Geek Tragedy 08:28, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
The Iberian flag was created by the Catalan writer Sinibald Mas i Sans in 1854. It is quartered with the colours of the monarchist Portuguese (white and blue) and Spanish flags (red and yellow), dating from 1830 and 1785 respectively. The Iberian flag is much older than the republican Spanish and Portuguese flags (1868 and 1910 respectively).
It is not a coincidence that the Iberian flag has the same colours (in a different order) as the flag of the Maritime Province of Barcelona. Barcelona was the birth-place of Mas i Sans.
According to the Iberists, the Federation or Confederation should be formed by the peninsular parts of Portugal and Spain (without the Aran Valley, which should belong to Gascony), the Balear Islands, Gibraltar, Andorra, and the Basque and Catalan regions of France. Four languages should be official: Spanish, Galician-Portuguese, Catalan and Basque.
Mas i Sans wanted the federal or confederal capital city of Iberia to be established at Santarem, Ribatejo, Portugal, but the capital city of the Diocesis Hispaniarum, created by the Roman Emperor Diocletianus in 287 C.E. was Emerita Augusta, Merida, Spanish Extremadura.
Are you sure ? neve heard of that. Actually recently he stated he loved Portugal so much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.245.180.189 ( talk) 22:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
There is no evidence supporting the claim António Lobo Antunes was ever in favor of Iberian federalism and he was consequently remove from the Iberist personalities's list. Sindu5673 ( talk) 15:53, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
@Asqueladd I skimmed through the reference you provided. It claims that "Antonio Lobo Antunes's cultural vision coincides with Iberism", however that statement is tangential and ambiguous. I understand his alleged "cultural vision coinciding with Iberism" as a favorable stance towards intensification of cultural exchanges within the Iberian Peninsula, nothing more. Bilateral collaboration and political merging are 2 very different ball games nonetheless. I did some extensive research but so far have yet to find any document with statements of his unequivocally supporting an Iberian Federalism political project. Sindu5673 ( talk) 15:45, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
@Asqueladd Agreed about the list. Best regards. Sindu5673 ( talk) 17:01, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
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There are certainly problems with this entry, starting with the evident lack of sources. A bigger problem, though, is the issue of user KirrVlad vandalizing this entry from time to time when he changes unsourced content for (also unsourced) bonafide bullshit [1] [2].-- Asqueladd ( talk) 23:43, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Iberian peninsula has 5 countries (Portugal, Catalunya, Corunha, Euskal Herria and Castilla-León), not merely 2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8A0:ECA0:B601:482E:CE38:C966:33D2 ( talk) 18:10, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Wtf? Daniwhite2408 ( talk) 14:34, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 ( talk) 16:35, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Iberian federalism → Iberism – The concept is the unification of the Iberian peninsula, it doesn't necessarily has to be restricted to a federation. The term "Iberism" remains advocating for the unification of the peninsula [3], however if this is too vague for some users, "Pan-Iberism" or "Iberian unionism" should do the work. Super Ψ Dro 20:57, 4 October 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 17:41, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
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Should this be Iberian federalism? -- Error 18:18, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
The poll at the very end of the entry showing high percentages of Portuguese folks cheering a united country with Spain is just hillarious. It is like in California they made a poll asking whether they should merge with México, lots of people would say "yes" just because...it is not going to happen because it is not in the agenda, not even remotely. Someone who is not familiar about Portugal nationalist sentiment vs. Spain may be misled by this one. Mountolive 20:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
As for the king of Spain, that is natural; he was exiled in Portugal during the former Spanish regime, speaks fluent Portuguese and as all modern kings do nothing that is politically controversial, so that is not a surprise that people see him as a nice person. As for people preferring Madrid, well that's really really odd. Unexplainable.
-- Pedro 20:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
The green-red-yellow flag is actually a drawing I made in paint while discussing the Portuguese poll in a Spanish forum, Meristation. Look how badly had been erasedthe Portuguese and Spanish coat of arms from "my" design, which had a classical Austro-Hungarian taste. Said flag had not exised or waved ever, if i'm not mistaken.-- Menah the Great 13:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to change "was an ideology" to "is ..." because: a) pt.wiki has "é" and es.wiki has "es" and b) even if political parties aren't supporting it, José Saramago is alive and arguing for Iberism and so is Carlos Saura so it can't be said to be dead. A Geek Tragedy 08:28, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
The Iberian flag was created by the Catalan writer Sinibald Mas i Sans in 1854. It is quartered with the colours of the monarchist Portuguese (white and blue) and Spanish flags (red and yellow), dating from 1830 and 1785 respectively. The Iberian flag is much older than the republican Spanish and Portuguese flags (1868 and 1910 respectively).
It is not a coincidence that the Iberian flag has the same colours (in a different order) as the flag of the Maritime Province of Barcelona. Barcelona was the birth-place of Mas i Sans.
According to the Iberists, the Federation or Confederation should be formed by the peninsular parts of Portugal and Spain (without the Aran Valley, which should belong to Gascony), the Balear Islands, Gibraltar, Andorra, and the Basque and Catalan regions of France. Four languages should be official: Spanish, Galician-Portuguese, Catalan and Basque.
Mas i Sans wanted the federal or confederal capital city of Iberia to be established at Santarem, Ribatejo, Portugal, but the capital city of the Diocesis Hispaniarum, created by the Roman Emperor Diocletianus in 287 C.E. was Emerita Augusta, Merida, Spanish Extremadura.
Are you sure ? neve heard of that. Actually recently he stated he loved Portugal so much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.245.180.189 ( talk) 22:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
There is no evidence supporting the claim António Lobo Antunes was ever in favor of Iberian federalism and he was consequently remove from the Iberist personalities's list. Sindu5673 ( talk) 15:53, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
@Asqueladd I skimmed through the reference you provided. It claims that "Antonio Lobo Antunes's cultural vision coincides with Iberism", however that statement is tangential and ambiguous. I understand his alleged "cultural vision coinciding with Iberism" as a favorable stance towards intensification of cultural exchanges within the Iberian Peninsula, nothing more. Bilateral collaboration and political merging are 2 very different ball games nonetheless. I did some extensive research but so far have yet to find any document with statements of his unequivocally supporting an Iberian Federalism political project. Sindu5673 ( talk) 15:45, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
@Asqueladd Agreed about the list. Best regards. Sindu5673 ( talk) 17:01, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
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There are certainly problems with this entry, starting with the evident lack of sources. A bigger problem, though, is the issue of user KirrVlad vandalizing this entry from time to time when he changes unsourced content for (also unsourced) bonafide bullshit [1] [2].-- Asqueladd ( talk) 23:43, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Iberian peninsula has 5 countries (Portugal, Catalunya, Corunha, Euskal Herria and Castilla-León), not merely 2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8A0:ECA0:B601:482E:CE38:C966:33D2 ( talk) 18:10, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Wtf? Daniwhite2408 ( talk) 14:34, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 ( talk) 16:35, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Iberian federalism → Iberism – The concept is the unification of the Iberian peninsula, it doesn't necessarily has to be restricted to a federation. The term "Iberism" remains advocating for the unification of the peninsula [3], however if this is too vague for some users, "Pan-Iberism" or "Iberian unionism" should do the work. Super Ψ Dro 20:57, 4 October 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 17:41, 12 October 2022 (UTC)