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I remember when I took a year-long history class in Spain, my teacher told me that the Phonecians (or some other group, possibly the Greeks) took the name "Iberia" from Caucasian Iberia and used it in Spain, much in a similar manner as New "York". However, I cannot find any documentation on this claim, anybody else heard about this?- ryandward —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryandward ( talk • contribs) 05:13, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Where is the Yucatan Peninsula? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.240.6.112 ( talk) 17:36, 22 October 2002 (UTC)
The visigoths spoke gothic by the 8th century, when the peninsula was invaded. When have they started to speak romance languages, like Spanish and Portuguese? I can't find this information, I'm not sure that's the right place to ask. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.21.126.147 ( talk) 20:01, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Burgas00, I'm removing the sentence you added ("It is the southernmost of the three southern European peninsulas (i.e. Iberian, Italian and Balkan peninsulas)"). It is not very relevant or true! All of the aforementioned peninsulas run, more or less, between the 35th and 45th parallels north. The Ogre 14:08, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
The article says it's the 2nd biggest peninsula in Europe, after the Balkan. What about Scandinavia? -- Golbez 20:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
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I have seen the article about the Balkans and there our fellows has concluded about what is Balkans and what extension should have: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans , that mean that with 550.000 km2 Balkans peninsula is behind Iberian peninsula in extension, so i will change our article. (At least, while the Balkan's article remain with the same dates...) -- Bentaguayre 10:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
After ten years, people still enter to change this basic element of the article. The Balkan peninsula is 470,000 km2, so it is of shorter extension than the Iberian one. -- Bentaguayre ( talk) 18:39, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
The article about French Cerdagne that links to this one says that "It is the only French territory in the Iberian Peninsula." I think it's true because there is no geographical, but only political, division between French and Spanish Cerdagne. So I think this french area must be included in the political divisions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.219.233.163 ( talk) 10:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Not sure what the author meant precisely when this was written in the first paragraph: "The same name of Iberia is used since Greek ages for another territory at the opposite corner of Europe: Caucasian Iberia." Could use a little clearer definition of what the "Greek ages" are in this context. As it stands now, the word "Greek" simply points to the non-helpful disambiguation page. I'll leave it that way until the specific period of history is clarified and hopefully someone else can take a poke at fixing the link. Fjbfour 15:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
This section doesn't give the etymology of the word. What did Iberia mean in ancient Greek? My hunch is that it might be related to berber, but I've got nothing to back that up. Anyone? -- Zachbe ( talk) 18:31, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Currently, the text of Prehistoric Spain seems really to be about prehistoric Iberia. Similarly, the text of Prehistoric Portugal seems really to be about the same thing. This would be perfectly understandable seeing as there was no Spain and no Portugal in prehistoric times. I have argued therefore that it would be best to have these articles merged under a title which indicates the geographical region rather than the modern states. I have proposed the articles be merged and moved to Prehistoric Iberia. Please come and discuss my proposal. J i m p 09:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello, "Hispania was the name given by the Romans to the whole of the Iberian Peninsula", "The term Hispania is Latin and the term Iberia is Greek". Apropos of the merger discussions above, I think the two articles Hispania and Iberian Peninsula would benefit from better integration, or possibly merging or refactoring. Hispania could become a disambiguation page pointing to Iberian Peninsula, History of the Iberian Peninsula during Roman times, etc., for example. For a related example, see Formosa -- the island of Taiwan used to be known as Formosa, but we don't have a separate article called "Formosa" about the same geographic location and the history during the time it was called Formosa. What do you think? — Quarl ( talk) 2007-03-13 09:19Z
I have removed a sentence regarding how long Iberia has been inhabited. It was essentially contentious, inaccurate and unconfirmed. Back in February the figure was 500,000; in May it was 1,000,000; in June 700,000 now 1,000,000 - well which is it? Chris Buttigieg talk 19:38, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm spanish and I never ear about the Iberia to called the Iberian peninsula. The iberians only occupied the self North-east of Spain. The other civilization was the celts. The more correct is Celtiberia or Hispanic Peninsula but the word Iberian peninsula is very use but no Iberia. Iberia is a Enterprise of Airlines in Spain. Look the Península ibérica in spanish version please. Thanks for the attention. -- Thor8 ( talk) 13:01, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Olá Thor. I understand that you are well intentioned, but, besides these being the English language wikipedia, besides the fact that another wikipedia article is not a source according to policy, besides the fact that Iberia, in English and in modern Spanish means without a doubt the whole of the Peninsula (an not just the eastern parts anciently inhabited by the Iberians), the fact is that Hispanic in the modern sense means Spain and not the whole of the peninsula. The word "Hispanic" in modern English (and its counterparts in other languages) means something pertaining to the country of Spain or its cultural descendants (as in Hispanic America, which does not include Brazil), not all of the Iberian peninsula (as the respective articles show). The fact is that Castillian expansionism over the centuries (ask not only the Portuguese, but also the Galicians, the Basques or the Catalans...) tried to monopolize the definition of Iberia in a way that satisfied its imperial interests. In fact, even if Hispania was used in ancient times to refer to the whole of Iberia, today it is not, only when refering to Roman Hispania, not the present times. Furthermore, if you call Hispanic to the Iberian peninsula, this not only is simply not true, but is felt as profoundly offensive at least by the Portuguese. For all these reasons and more, this article should not emply that Hispanic is Iberia. If the Spanish wikipedia states that, without stating that it is a Spanish centered POV, that it is wrong and against policies and should be corrected. Gracias! The Ogre ( talk) 22:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
In fact user Thor seems to have a POV agenda, since the POV ramblings in the Spanish wikipedia are also his doing as Thor8. This must be carefully watched as this editor seems to push a Spanish (Castilian) centered agenda, trying to minimize the diversity of Iberia and reduced to Spain as seen from Madrid. Beware! The Ogre ( talk) 02:24, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Please: do not feed the troll. It's just a catalan nationalist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.37.186.159 ( talk) 23:26, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
I was just wondering what the difference is between the Iberian Peninsula and Hispania? I had thought that they always referred to the same thing (except Hispania in regards to the Spanish/Portugese Speaking World.) Of course, I haven't read the whole of either article, but I really don't see the difference. I am no expert on the subject, but could these be merged? I mean, the first sentence in Hispania is "Hispania was the name given by the Romans to the whole of the Iberian Peninsula," and the Iberian Peninsula is what this whole article is about. I understand that these terms could be somewhat loose, but are they that different? Mhavril39 ( talk) 03:34, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
What is the source for the etymology presented here? My wife's "Special Topics in Spanish Linguistics: Spanish Dialects" class has presented a different etymology (I will have to get the name of her book later) which suggests that it means nothing like, "Land of the rivers." RobertM525 ( talk) 23:21, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
A topographic map would be nice. 76.66.202.139 ( talk) 14:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Why is this area part of the Iberian Peninsula? Is there some sort of geological feature that this region has in common with Iberia and not with the rest of France? We should explain its inclusion. Funnyhat ( talk) 03:35, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
The french Cedagne was a spanish region occupied by France after the treaty of Pyrinees. They used to speak catalan in that region. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.35.112.8 ( talk) 22:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
The limits of the Kingdom of Navarre are invented. The region of Biscay belong to the Crown of Castille — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.35.112.8 ( talk) 22:41, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Algarve is the name of a region not a city. The administrative centre is the city of Faro and that might be one of the biggest in Iberian Peninsula. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.155.157.111 ( talk) 14:43, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
This article, as almost all about Spain is a mess. First of all, it is true that the Iberian Peninsula more or less is limited by the Spanish-French border, but this is absurd since internationally a peninsule ends in the narrower region of land which linked it to the continent -in that case, well inside France. Since this is not so considered, I think it is compulsory to quote some kind of geographical authority stating clearly the limits of the peninsule. Secondly, it is all on the contrary: Hispania was first a political (not geographical) device, under Roman rule, and after, a geographical concept in despite of political ambitions (the same as America or Europe is today, but very far from a political subject, since they are made of multiple political units). No unity was achieved even when the whole peninsula was ruled under Habsburgs, since each kingdom held its own politics. Last, a peninsula is a mere fact of geography, not more. I don't understand why a peninsula has history, history is a subject of people, not floors. 213.60.26.62 ( talk) 03:24, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Added cleanup tag. Much of the article seemed like it could use some cleanup, the voice didn't sound right. Hope that's cool. Saffolicious ( talk) 07:28, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move Iberia to Iberia (disambiguation); do not move Iberian Peninsula to Iberia. Ucucha 22:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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189.62.162.15 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) insists on reverting and seems to believe that Gibraltar is not under de facto British sovereignty. I suggest that s/he read Disputed status of Gibraltar where it is made quite clear that Gibraltar is under de jure and de facto British sovereignty. If truth be told, even Spain (the claimant) recognises British sovereignty over Gibraltar; in point of contrast, the Argentine government does not recognise British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. While Spain may indeed maintain an irredentist claim to the territory, this does not alter its actual status as a British territory. RedCoat10 ( talk) 21:36, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
What is the basis for stating the area of the peninsula determined with ten square kilometer precision ("582,860 square kilometres")? This is quite surprising, given that the northeast boundary of the peninsula is given loosely as "the Pyrenees" (a mountain range more than 400 km long, and quite a few kilometers wide). Without very precisely defined boundaries, 10-km² precision is ludicrous. -- Jmk ( talk) 16:01, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
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Should this really be listed in the infobox. I have revert a recent removal of this, but I don't think it should read catalan republic as it simply doesn't exist. Catalonia as a cultural region perhaps. In similarity to the Basque country. Alexandre8 ( talk) 13:59, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Catalonia is not a country of the Iberian Peninsula it is just a autonomous community, the countries that form the Iberian Peninsula are Spain, Portugal and Andorra. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.158.251.97 ( talk) 22:35, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
The theory around French Cerdagne being the only part of France on the southern side of the Pyrenees is a bit ridiculous. If you have a look at the topographic map on the right, you can see the entire border lies within the mountain range (so there's almost certainly other parts of France where the rivers flow south of the Pyrenees). French Cerdagne is around the Spanish exclave you can see towards the eastern end of the range.
Anyway, would it not make more sense to define Iberia as encompassing the entire mountain range to its north-most extent? If you draw a line through the middle of the range, half of Andorra and parts of Spain would be considered not to be part of the peninsula.
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The article claims that France's part of the Iberian Peninsula corresponds to the Haute Cerdagne area, which is correct and it's itself less than 1,000 km2, but then assigns 33,563 km2 to the French part. This is just contradictory. What is the source of this figure? -- Trident90 ( Talk) 22:11 23 september 2018 (UTC)
This was uncited and not clear in meaning- maybe author meant educated Greeks from Classical times, or maybe meant a couple Greek archeologists from the 1900s? It needs to be clarified and cited before going back into article, if it is even true, which I doubt. Rich ( talk) 16:31, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
Dear readers, I do not interfere with your interesting comments and suggestions, but only want to add a small comment on this discussion: The name ,,Hispaniola" is a very old name wich means ,,With Plains" (Ebene or Hochebene in German, plaine in French). Greets, Gerard Rorik, Netherlands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.162.178.42 ( talk) 18:58, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
The population data (~57M) looks to be wrong. Roughly speaking Spain (whole country) makes ~46.7M, Portugal ~10.3M. Adding the population of Andorra and Gibraltar (~0.1M) and whatever the French territory in the Iberian Peninsula has (I dunno about the exact number, the article states it is in the 0.01M range), you need to detract the population of the Macaronesian archipelagos and the Balearics (roughly ~3.8M) and the population of Ceuta and Melilla (~0.18M).--Asqueladd ( talk) 21:52, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
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I just edited the lead to sort the territories in terms of decreasing area
Peninsular Spain,
Continental Portugal,
French Cerdagne,
Andorra and
Gibraltar. I'm just surprised to find out later the order of the first two has been the subject of a long edit conflict over time. Can this be set out here for good one way and another? Thanks.--Asqueladd (
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23:41, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Please add "population density" below the population data. Aminabzz ( talk) 18:06, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello everyone, would it be possible to modify the maps of the Iberian Peninsula by those displayed here. Even though it might sound silly, a person deletes these cards for no reason. So I ask here. The first maps are in replacement because they are better detailed. The Roussillon map is to explain why France owns part of the Iberian Peninsula. I specify that wikipedia is a free library, that the information must be sourced and that a user cannot impose or delete texts for personal ideas-- 81.67.153.44 ( talk) 09:15, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
I specify that wikipedia is a free librarySo what? --Asqueladd ( talk) 15:10, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
"I especially wanted to change the cards with more recent ones and put as much information as possible"As long as that extra information (in French, rather than English, no less) is not covered by the article (and as I tell you, it probably shouldn't be as that focus on military history is WP:UNDUE), the "extra-details" of those illustrations are not necessary in themselves.
"I think you see a little too much evil everywhere."That's bad, I'll think about it as long as you promise me than you'll think about you being blocked in fr.wikipedia as multi-sock of Julio189red (a perm-ban there) and your role in the Wikimedia projects.--Asqueladd ( talk) 20:33, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
The Celtic map was created by a wikipedia user. I have nothing against but she is not scientific. Indeed it is not possible to affirm or deny the maximum extension of Celtic migration. Would it be possible to mark "hypothetical expansion...". About the "southern France" appointment. There is no point in specifying south or north of a country and dividing a country in two on the Iberian Peninsula page. I would like to simply put France instead of southern France. It seems more appropriate with the subject. in the article "Major modern countries" it is possible to specify "Roussillon" because if we talk about France it is logical to specify the region which is part of the Iberian peninsula. also to say that today it corresponds to Pyrénées-Orientales. If you have any suggestions I am interested.-- 81.67.153.44 ( talk) 15:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
What's the point in mentioning and linking "Tarifa" here? It is hardly relevant within given context. If a mention is needed, the geographical feature ( Punta de Tarifa) rather than Tarifa should be mentioned/linked.--Asqueladd ( talk) 15:16, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
You have reverted that the southernmost point of Europe is in the Iberian peninsula Tarifa.I have not. Incidentally, User:Huasteca I have not reverted you here, but I have left the edit and I have brought the issue to discussion. In any case, regarding the rest of edits other than the Tarifa issue, please check the sources before modifying sourced content.--Asqueladd ( talk) 16:49, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Not "regions". There are no clearly defined comparable regions in Europe. We can say that A) Iberia is high altitude overall B) As a result, Spain is the second highest country in Europe. We cannot say anything more than that because sources do not support that.Yet it is precisely what cited source states:
"The IP encompasses 583 254 km2 and has very contrasting and uneven relief. The mountain ranges of the IP are mainly distributed from west to east, and in some cases reach altitudes of approximately 3000 m a.s.l., resulting in the IP region having the second highest mean altitude (637 m a.s.l.) in western Europe"( Lorenzo-Lacruz et al. 2011, p. 2582) . I have no problems with rewording the ranking bit as "in high average altitude in a Western European context" if the "ambiguous" (as in "not easily sortable") nature of the concept "region" is problematic to you (it may well be; incidentally the "Western Europe" concept is also ambiguous). All in all, Spain is possibly the second European country in terms of average altitude, yes, but this is the article about the Iberian Peninsula (which is not to be only framed as simply the sum of Spain and Portugal, particularly when "handy" sources don't do that). For that frame, we have the articles of Spain and Portugal.--Asqueladd ( talk) 16:58, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
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I remember when I took a year-long history class in Spain, my teacher told me that the Phonecians (or some other group, possibly the Greeks) took the name "Iberia" from Caucasian Iberia and used it in Spain, much in a similar manner as New "York". However, I cannot find any documentation on this claim, anybody else heard about this?- ryandward —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryandward ( talk • contribs) 05:13, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Where is the Yucatan Peninsula? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.240.6.112 ( talk) 17:36, 22 October 2002 (UTC)
The visigoths spoke gothic by the 8th century, when the peninsula was invaded. When have they started to speak romance languages, like Spanish and Portuguese? I can't find this information, I'm not sure that's the right place to ask. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.21.126.147 ( talk) 20:01, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Burgas00, I'm removing the sentence you added ("It is the southernmost of the three southern European peninsulas (i.e. Iberian, Italian and Balkan peninsulas)"). It is not very relevant or true! All of the aforementioned peninsulas run, more or less, between the 35th and 45th parallels north. The Ogre 14:08, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
The article says it's the 2nd biggest peninsula in Europe, after the Balkan. What about Scandinavia? -- Golbez 20:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I would like to remind you to be obedient and follow all Wikipedia rules. Please respect one anothers privacy and rights //---// bigjcaudle — Preceding undated comment added 00:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I have seen the article about the Balkans and there our fellows has concluded about what is Balkans and what extension should have: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans , that mean that with 550.000 km2 Balkans peninsula is behind Iberian peninsula in extension, so i will change our article. (At least, while the Balkan's article remain with the same dates...) -- Bentaguayre 10:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
After ten years, people still enter to change this basic element of the article. The Balkan peninsula is 470,000 km2, so it is of shorter extension than the Iberian one. -- Bentaguayre ( talk) 18:39, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
The article about French Cerdagne that links to this one says that "It is the only French territory in the Iberian Peninsula." I think it's true because there is no geographical, but only political, division between French and Spanish Cerdagne. So I think this french area must be included in the political divisions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.219.233.163 ( talk) 10:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Not sure what the author meant precisely when this was written in the first paragraph: "The same name of Iberia is used since Greek ages for another territory at the opposite corner of Europe: Caucasian Iberia." Could use a little clearer definition of what the "Greek ages" are in this context. As it stands now, the word "Greek" simply points to the non-helpful disambiguation page. I'll leave it that way until the specific period of history is clarified and hopefully someone else can take a poke at fixing the link. Fjbfour 15:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
This section doesn't give the etymology of the word. What did Iberia mean in ancient Greek? My hunch is that it might be related to berber, but I've got nothing to back that up. Anyone? -- Zachbe ( talk) 18:31, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Currently, the text of Prehistoric Spain seems really to be about prehistoric Iberia. Similarly, the text of Prehistoric Portugal seems really to be about the same thing. This would be perfectly understandable seeing as there was no Spain and no Portugal in prehistoric times. I have argued therefore that it would be best to have these articles merged under a title which indicates the geographical region rather than the modern states. I have proposed the articles be merged and moved to Prehistoric Iberia. Please come and discuss my proposal. J i m p 09:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello, "Hispania was the name given by the Romans to the whole of the Iberian Peninsula", "The term Hispania is Latin and the term Iberia is Greek". Apropos of the merger discussions above, I think the two articles Hispania and Iberian Peninsula would benefit from better integration, or possibly merging or refactoring. Hispania could become a disambiguation page pointing to Iberian Peninsula, History of the Iberian Peninsula during Roman times, etc., for example. For a related example, see Formosa -- the island of Taiwan used to be known as Formosa, but we don't have a separate article called "Formosa" about the same geographic location and the history during the time it was called Formosa. What do you think? — Quarl ( talk) 2007-03-13 09:19Z
I have removed a sentence regarding how long Iberia has been inhabited. It was essentially contentious, inaccurate and unconfirmed. Back in February the figure was 500,000; in May it was 1,000,000; in June 700,000 now 1,000,000 - well which is it? Chris Buttigieg talk 19:38, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm spanish and I never ear about the Iberia to called the Iberian peninsula. The iberians only occupied the self North-east of Spain. The other civilization was the celts. The more correct is Celtiberia or Hispanic Peninsula but the word Iberian peninsula is very use but no Iberia. Iberia is a Enterprise of Airlines in Spain. Look the Península ibérica in spanish version please. Thanks for the attention. -- Thor8 ( talk) 13:01, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Olá Thor. I understand that you are well intentioned, but, besides these being the English language wikipedia, besides the fact that another wikipedia article is not a source according to policy, besides the fact that Iberia, in English and in modern Spanish means without a doubt the whole of the Peninsula (an not just the eastern parts anciently inhabited by the Iberians), the fact is that Hispanic in the modern sense means Spain and not the whole of the peninsula. The word "Hispanic" in modern English (and its counterparts in other languages) means something pertaining to the country of Spain or its cultural descendants (as in Hispanic America, which does not include Brazil), not all of the Iberian peninsula (as the respective articles show). The fact is that Castillian expansionism over the centuries (ask not only the Portuguese, but also the Galicians, the Basques or the Catalans...) tried to monopolize the definition of Iberia in a way that satisfied its imperial interests. In fact, even if Hispania was used in ancient times to refer to the whole of Iberia, today it is not, only when refering to Roman Hispania, not the present times. Furthermore, if you call Hispanic to the Iberian peninsula, this not only is simply not true, but is felt as profoundly offensive at least by the Portuguese. For all these reasons and more, this article should not emply that Hispanic is Iberia. If the Spanish wikipedia states that, without stating that it is a Spanish centered POV, that it is wrong and against policies and should be corrected. Gracias! The Ogre ( talk) 22:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
In fact user Thor seems to have a POV agenda, since the POV ramblings in the Spanish wikipedia are also his doing as Thor8. This must be carefully watched as this editor seems to push a Spanish (Castilian) centered agenda, trying to minimize the diversity of Iberia and reduced to Spain as seen from Madrid. Beware! The Ogre ( talk) 02:24, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Please: do not feed the troll. It's just a catalan nationalist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.37.186.159 ( talk) 23:26, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
I was just wondering what the difference is between the Iberian Peninsula and Hispania? I had thought that they always referred to the same thing (except Hispania in regards to the Spanish/Portugese Speaking World.) Of course, I haven't read the whole of either article, but I really don't see the difference. I am no expert on the subject, but could these be merged? I mean, the first sentence in Hispania is "Hispania was the name given by the Romans to the whole of the Iberian Peninsula," and the Iberian Peninsula is what this whole article is about. I understand that these terms could be somewhat loose, but are they that different? Mhavril39 ( talk) 03:34, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
What is the source for the etymology presented here? My wife's "Special Topics in Spanish Linguistics: Spanish Dialects" class has presented a different etymology (I will have to get the name of her book later) which suggests that it means nothing like, "Land of the rivers." RobertM525 ( talk) 23:21, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
A topographic map would be nice. 76.66.202.139 ( talk) 14:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Why is this area part of the Iberian Peninsula? Is there some sort of geological feature that this region has in common with Iberia and not with the rest of France? We should explain its inclusion. Funnyhat ( talk) 03:35, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
The french Cedagne was a spanish region occupied by France after the treaty of Pyrinees. They used to speak catalan in that region. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.35.112.8 ( talk) 22:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
The limits of the Kingdom of Navarre are invented. The region of Biscay belong to the Crown of Castille — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.35.112.8 ( talk) 22:41, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Algarve is the name of a region not a city. The administrative centre is the city of Faro and that might be one of the biggest in Iberian Peninsula. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.155.157.111 ( talk) 14:43, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
This article, as almost all about Spain is a mess. First of all, it is true that the Iberian Peninsula more or less is limited by the Spanish-French border, but this is absurd since internationally a peninsule ends in the narrower region of land which linked it to the continent -in that case, well inside France. Since this is not so considered, I think it is compulsory to quote some kind of geographical authority stating clearly the limits of the peninsule. Secondly, it is all on the contrary: Hispania was first a political (not geographical) device, under Roman rule, and after, a geographical concept in despite of political ambitions (the same as America or Europe is today, but very far from a political subject, since they are made of multiple political units). No unity was achieved even when the whole peninsula was ruled under Habsburgs, since each kingdom held its own politics. Last, a peninsula is a mere fact of geography, not more. I don't understand why a peninsula has history, history is a subject of people, not floors. 213.60.26.62 ( talk) 03:24, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Added cleanup tag. Much of the article seemed like it could use some cleanup, the voice didn't sound right. Hope that's cool. Saffolicious ( talk) 07:28, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move Iberia to Iberia (disambiguation); do not move Iberian Peninsula to Iberia. Ucucha 22:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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189.62.162.15 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) insists on reverting and seems to believe that Gibraltar is not under de facto British sovereignty. I suggest that s/he read Disputed status of Gibraltar where it is made quite clear that Gibraltar is under de jure and de facto British sovereignty. If truth be told, even Spain (the claimant) recognises British sovereignty over Gibraltar; in point of contrast, the Argentine government does not recognise British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. While Spain may indeed maintain an irredentist claim to the territory, this does not alter its actual status as a British territory. RedCoat10 ( talk) 21:36, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
What is the basis for stating the area of the peninsula determined with ten square kilometer precision ("582,860 square kilometres")? This is quite surprising, given that the northeast boundary of the peninsula is given loosely as "the Pyrenees" (a mountain range more than 400 km long, and quite a few kilometers wide). Without very precisely defined boundaries, 10-km² precision is ludicrous. -- Jmk ( talk) 16:01, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
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Should this really be listed in the infobox. I have revert a recent removal of this, but I don't think it should read catalan republic as it simply doesn't exist. Catalonia as a cultural region perhaps. In similarity to the Basque country. Alexandre8 ( talk) 13:59, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Catalonia is not a country of the Iberian Peninsula it is just a autonomous community, the countries that form the Iberian Peninsula are Spain, Portugal and Andorra. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.158.251.97 ( talk) 22:35, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
The theory around French Cerdagne being the only part of France on the southern side of the Pyrenees is a bit ridiculous. If you have a look at the topographic map on the right, you can see the entire border lies within the mountain range (so there's almost certainly other parts of France where the rivers flow south of the Pyrenees). French Cerdagne is around the Spanish exclave you can see towards the eastern end of the range.
Anyway, would it not make more sense to define Iberia as encompassing the entire mountain range to its north-most extent? If you draw a line through the middle of the range, half of Andorra and parts of Spain would be considered not to be part of the peninsula.
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The article claims that France's part of the Iberian Peninsula corresponds to the Haute Cerdagne area, which is correct and it's itself less than 1,000 km2, but then assigns 33,563 km2 to the French part. This is just contradictory. What is the source of this figure? -- Trident90 ( Talk) 22:11 23 september 2018 (UTC)
This was uncited and not clear in meaning- maybe author meant educated Greeks from Classical times, or maybe meant a couple Greek archeologists from the 1900s? It needs to be clarified and cited before going back into article, if it is even true, which I doubt. Rich ( talk) 16:31, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
Dear readers, I do not interfere with your interesting comments and suggestions, but only want to add a small comment on this discussion: The name ,,Hispaniola" is a very old name wich means ,,With Plains" (Ebene or Hochebene in German, plaine in French). Greets, Gerard Rorik, Netherlands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.162.178.42 ( talk) 18:58, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
The population data (~57M) looks to be wrong. Roughly speaking Spain (whole country) makes ~46.7M, Portugal ~10.3M. Adding the population of Andorra and Gibraltar (~0.1M) and whatever the French territory in the Iberian Peninsula has (I dunno about the exact number, the article states it is in the 0.01M range), you need to detract the population of the Macaronesian archipelagos and the Balearics (roughly ~3.8M) and the population of Ceuta and Melilla (~0.18M).--Asqueladd ( talk) 21:52, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
@
Puto tigaz and
Cristiano Tomás:
I just edited the lead to sort the territories in terms of decreasing area
Peninsular Spain,
Continental Portugal,
French Cerdagne,
Andorra and
Gibraltar. I'm just surprised to find out later the order of the first two has been the subject of a long edit conflict over time. Can this be set out here for good one way and another? Thanks.--Asqueladd (
talk)
23:41, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Please add "population density" below the population data. Aminabzz ( talk) 18:06, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello everyone, would it be possible to modify the maps of the Iberian Peninsula by those displayed here. Even though it might sound silly, a person deletes these cards for no reason. So I ask here. The first maps are in replacement because they are better detailed. The Roussillon map is to explain why France owns part of the Iberian Peninsula. I specify that wikipedia is a free library, that the information must be sourced and that a user cannot impose or delete texts for personal ideas-- 81.67.153.44 ( talk) 09:15, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
I specify that wikipedia is a free librarySo what? --Asqueladd ( talk) 15:10, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
"I especially wanted to change the cards with more recent ones and put as much information as possible"As long as that extra information (in French, rather than English, no less) is not covered by the article (and as I tell you, it probably shouldn't be as that focus on military history is WP:UNDUE), the "extra-details" of those illustrations are not necessary in themselves.
"I think you see a little too much evil everywhere."That's bad, I'll think about it as long as you promise me than you'll think about you being blocked in fr.wikipedia as multi-sock of Julio189red (a perm-ban there) and your role in the Wikimedia projects.--Asqueladd ( talk) 20:33, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
The Celtic map was created by a wikipedia user. I have nothing against but she is not scientific. Indeed it is not possible to affirm or deny the maximum extension of Celtic migration. Would it be possible to mark "hypothetical expansion...". About the "southern France" appointment. There is no point in specifying south or north of a country and dividing a country in two on the Iberian Peninsula page. I would like to simply put France instead of southern France. It seems more appropriate with the subject. in the article "Major modern countries" it is possible to specify "Roussillon" because if we talk about France it is logical to specify the region which is part of the Iberian peninsula. also to say that today it corresponds to Pyrénées-Orientales. If you have any suggestions I am interested.-- 81.67.153.44 ( talk) 15:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
What's the point in mentioning and linking "Tarifa" here? It is hardly relevant within given context. If a mention is needed, the geographical feature ( Punta de Tarifa) rather than Tarifa should be mentioned/linked.--Asqueladd ( talk) 15:16, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
You have reverted that the southernmost point of Europe is in the Iberian peninsula Tarifa.I have not. Incidentally, User:Huasteca I have not reverted you here, but I have left the edit and I have brought the issue to discussion. In any case, regarding the rest of edits other than the Tarifa issue, please check the sources before modifying sourced content.--Asqueladd ( talk) 16:49, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Not "regions". There are no clearly defined comparable regions in Europe. We can say that A) Iberia is high altitude overall B) As a result, Spain is the second highest country in Europe. We cannot say anything more than that because sources do not support that.Yet it is precisely what cited source states:
"The IP encompasses 583 254 km2 and has very contrasting and uneven relief. The mountain ranges of the IP are mainly distributed from west to east, and in some cases reach altitudes of approximately 3000 m a.s.l., resulting in the IP region having the second highest mean altitude (637 m a.s.l.) in western Europe"( Lorenzo-Lacruz et al. 2011, p. 2582) . I have no problems with rewording the ranking bit as "in high average altitude in a Western European context" if the "ambiguous" (as in "not easily sortable") nature of the concept "region" is problematic to you (it may well be; incidentally the "Western Europe" concept is also ambiguous). All in all, Spain is possibly the second European country in terms of average altitude, yes, but this is the article about the Iberian Peninsula (which is not to be only framed as simply the sum of Spain and Portugal, particularly when "handy" sources don't do that). For that frame, we have the articles of Spain and Portugal.--Asqueladd ( talk) 16:58, 17 March 2021 (UTC)