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I believe that Ibadhi/Ibadi is a better title for this page.
Qunut does not mean cursing during prayer. Qunut is a supplication while standing in prayer. by BB
Ibadhi already redirects here, and the transliteration is confusing. "dh" is often used for the voiced fricative dhaal ذ and is in IPA [ð] , but Ibadi is spelled with an emphatic daad ض which is IPA [dˁ]. Pardon the horrible formatting and rough transliteration that I'm using. I just know that before I learned the Arabic alphabet I saw Ibadi spelled Ibadhi and thought that the end was pronounced like "these" without the /z/ sound. MikeBryan 07:37, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
The notion that MOST sunnis believe that people in Hell will get out is not true. Sunnis believe that those sinner muslims who go into hell will get out after a fixed time. Kuffar on the other hand will not. That part has to change. -- Suleyman Habeeb 17:39, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Whosoever enters the Hellfire, will live therein forever. This is contrary to the Sunni belief that those Muslims who enter the Hellfire will live therein for a fixed amount of time, to purify them of their shortcomings, after which they will enter Paradise. Sunnis also believe that unbelievers will remain in Hell forever.
The Quran states clearly that: "whoever has believe of the size of an atom in his heart in Allah, will get out of hell". This is referring to the people who already reside in hell, thuss making it clear that whoever enters hell will get out eventually IF he ever in his life believed in Allah. This is Allah's mercy. As a suni i believe this. This means that whoever who didnt believe in Allah will not get out of hell. And in the hadith of the prophet muhammed there is a man who got out of hell and asked the prophet muhammed why there were so many women in hell. This is also prove that a person can get out of hell after he enters it. On the other hand, I do not agree with ibadi that the Quran was created by man. To even say this is blasphemy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.248.187.200 ( talk) 07:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
A previous edit changed "the Prophet Muhammad" to "the Muhammad" so I dropped the "the". I also changed the translation of bid'a from "innuendo" to "innovation". Straight out of the Hippocrene Standard Dictionary Arabic-English English-Arabic.
What are the approximate numbers of Ibadi Muslims? The section for Muslim adherents for the "world religions" page needs to be fixed a little, esp. the part for Muslims. And this would help. Le Anh-Huy 04:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
The localization
the Mozabite Valley north of Iran and Azerbaijan
appears incorrect, since it links to the southern Algerian M'zab valley. -- 94.79.169.144 ( talk) 03:31, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
I was just speaking with my friend, who is Ibadi from Oman, and he claims '(03:04:27 PM) Ulquiorra..: scholers belive tht ibadi's were a decent from the so called "kharijite" who r defined in the definition given above (03:05:46 PM) Ulquiorra..: however... its not technecly not correct.. kharijites were found in sounth of soudi arabia.. (03:07:04 PM) Ulquiorra..: but they no longer excsist.. so how and y would they cm 2 oman? however ibadi is different.. since the scholers couldn't link them 2 any of sunni or shitte they decided ahaaaaa... kharijite.. which is bullshit,' and the statement in the article about this is unverified so I thought I would make a note of it here until it's settled. Until then I will put a citation needed link on the article. 98.31.4.211 ( talk) 20:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
From the first paragraph: "Some Argentine Muslims consider Ibadi Islam a direct offshoot of Voodoo religious rites. [1]" This seems improbable; and even if they do think that, they can't possibly be right, so the statement does not belong in the introduction to the article. Moreover, the source cited makes no mention of either Argentina or voodoo. I have deleted the sentence. Maproom ( talk) 10:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
This article doesn't follow standard wiki formatting. That should be fixed sometime. as well, kharijite history should be in Kharijites, i would think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.23.58.46 ( talk) 16:28, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
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hhat is the import of this sentence? "The Quran was created by God at a certain point in time. Sunnīs hold the Quran to be the word of God...." Doesn't imply a difference to me. -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 00:12, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
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Grandia01: With regards to the Arabic book that you own that opposes the idea that Ibadhis believe in a created Qur'an, can you write the name of this book, its author, its publisher, publication date, publ. location, the page numbers in this book where this is stated and the ISBN if possible? As it's in Arabic, then you can choose to give these in Arabic if you wish. Thanks, happy editing,
ParthikS8 (
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18:51, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%86%D8%A9_%D8%AE%D9%84%D9%82_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%B1%D8%A2%D9%86#cite_note-8 Grandia01 ( talk) 06:36, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
I want to know how the Ibadi position on apostates and proselytizing compares with other sects of Islam. Since it is not mentioned, do I assume it is the same? (Execution for both?) StuartGathman ( talk) 16:08, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't see any blue on this map image. Am I going color-blind? Also the legend, consisting of three different color scales, isn't labeled so it isn't clear what the map is depicting. -- RDavi404 ( talk) 15:53, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
To editor John Mylonelis: Please stop adding redundant links, needless html formatting, and WP:NPOV violations. If you have questions about what editing is acceptable, please ask. Chris Troutman ( talk) 11:53, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
To editor Chris troutman: Thank you for the correction, I dont know why but I couldn't take off some mentioned terms with bold letters. Because I am new member in wikipedia community I would like to inform me about the acceptable editing. Thank you, John.
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I believe that Ibadhi/Ibadi is a better title for this page.
Qunut does not mean cursing during prayer. Qunut is a supplication while standing in prayer. by BB
Ibadhi already redirects here, and the transliteration is confusing. "dh" is often used for the voiced fricative dhaal ذ and is in IPA [ð] , but Ibadi is spelled with an emphatic daad ض which is IPA [dˁ]. Pardon the horrible formatting and rough transliteration that I'm using. I just know that before I learned the Arabic alphabet I saw Ibadi spelled Ibadhi and thought that the end was pronounced like "these" without the /z/ sound. MikeBryan 07:37, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
The notion that MOST sunnis believe that people in Hell will get out is not true. Sunnis believe that those sinner muslims who go into hell will get out after a fixed time. Kuffar on the other hand will not. That part has to change. -- Suleyman Habeeb 17:39, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Whosoever enters the Hellfire, will live therein forever. This is contrary to the Sunni belief that those Muslims who enter the Hellfire will live therein for a fixed amount of time, to purify them of their shortcomings, after which they will enter Paradise. Sunnis also believe that unbelievers will remain in Hell forever.
The Quran states clearly that: "whoever has believe of the size of an atom in his heart in Allah, will get out of hell". This is referring to the people who already reside in hell, thuss making it clear that whoever enters hell will get out eventually IF he ever in his life believed in Allah. This is Allah's mercy. As a suni i believe this. This means that whoever who didnt believe in Allah will not get out of hell. And in the hadith of the prophet muhammed there is a man who got out of hell and asked the prophet muhammed why there were so many women in hell. This is also prove that a person can get out of hell after he enters it. On the other hand, I do not agree with ibadi that the Quran was created by man. To even say this is blasphemy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.248.187.200 ( talk) 07:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
A previous edit changed "the Prophet Muhammad" to "the Muhammad" so I dropped the "the". I also changed the translation of bid'a from "innuendo" to "innovation". Straight out of the Hippocrene Standard Dictionary Arabic-English English-Arabic.
What are the approximate numbers of Ibadi Muslims? The section for Muslim adherents for the "world religions" page needs to be fixed a little, esp. the part for Muslims. And this would help. Le Anh-Huy 04:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
The localization
the Mozabite Valley north of Iran and Azerbaijan
appears incorrect, since it links to the southern Algerian M'zab valley. -- 94.79.169.144 ( talk) 03:31, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
I was just speaking with my friend, who is Ibadi from Oman, and he claims '(03:04:27 PM) Ulquiorra..: scholers belive tht ibadi's were a decent from the so called "kharijite" who r defined in the definition given above (03:05:46 PM) Ulquiorra..: however... its not technecly not correct.. kharijites were found in sounth of soudi arabia.. (03:07:04 PM) Ulquiorra..: but they no longer excsist.. so how and y would they cm 2 oman? however ibadi is different.. since the scholers couldn't link them 2 any of sunni or shitte they decided ahaaaaa... kharijite.. which is bullshit,' and the statement in the article about this is unverified so I thought I would make a note of it here until it's settled. Until then I will put a citation needed link on the article. 98.31.4.211 ( talk) 20:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
From the first paragraph: "Some Argentine Muslims consider Ibadi Islam a direct offshoot of Voodoo religious rites. [1]" This seems improbable; and even if they do think that, they can't possibly be right, so the statement does not belong in the introduction to the article. Moreover, the source cited makes no mention of either Argentina or voodoo. I have deleted the sentence. Maproom ( talk) 10:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
This article doesn't follow standard wiki formatting. That should be fixed sometime. as well, kharijite history should be in Kharijites, i would think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.23.58.46 ( talk) 16:28, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Salafi which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 07:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Salafi Movement which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 19:32, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
hhat is the import of this sentence? "The Quran was created by God at a certain point in time. Sunnīs hold the Quran to be the word of God...." Doesn't imply a difference to me. -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 00:12, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
@
Grandia01: With regards to the Arabic book that you own that opposes the idea that Ibadhis believe in a created Qur'an, can you write the name of this book, its author, its publisher, publication date, publ. location, the page numbers in this book where this is stated and the ISBN if possible? As it's in Arabic, then you can choose to give these in Arabic if you wish. Thanks, happy editing,
ParthikS8 (
talk)
18:51, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%86%D8%A9_%D8%AE%D9%84%D9%82_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%B1%D8%A2%D9%86#cite_note-8 Grandia01 ( talk) 06:36, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
I want to know how the Ibadi position on apostates and proselytizing compares with other sects of Islam. Since it is not mentioned, do I assume it is the same? (Execution for both?) StuartGathman ( talk) 16:08, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't see any blue on this map image. Am I going color-blind? Also the legend, consisting of three different color scales, isn't labeled so it isn't clear what the map is depicting. -- RDavi404 ( talk) 15:53, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
To editor John Mylonelis: Please stop adding redundant links, needless html formatting, and WP:NPOV violations. If you have questions about what editing is acceptable, please ask. Chris Troutman ( talk) 11:53, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
To editor Chris troutman: Thank you for the correction, I dont know why but I couldn't take off some mentioned terms with bold letters. Because I am new member in wikipedia community I would like to inform me about the acceptable editing. Thank you, John.
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
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See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Islam#Inconsistency_in_the_naming_of_madhhab_articles for rationale and post your comments there. Tigraan Click here to contact me 17:02, 4 December 2020 (UTC)