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Is there any reason why the 1911 version still appears at the end of the page? I see very little info here that is not covered more fully and accurately in the much better main article, apart from only this:
Codex Sinaiticus 19:24, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Need to clarify the events of 92. Legio XXI Rapax was destroyed by a coalition of Dacians and Rhoxolani at Tropaeum Traiani.-- Codrin.B ( talk) 23:35, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
The articles Roxolani, Battle_of_Adamclisi_(92_AD) and Legio XXI Rapax state the Roxolani destroyed the Legion along with the Dacians, not the Iazyges. Moreover, the Legio XXI Rapax and Battle of Adamclisi articles cite their source : Bennett, Julian. Traian. ISBN 973-571-583-X. Tehem ( talk) 22:01, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
As pointed out by the tags, the article needs dire improvement. I hope to do this soon, by adding more history and archaeology and less diatribe about supposed Iazygi - Jasi connection Slovenski Volk ( talk) 09:37, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
In 101–105, Trajan finally conquered the Dacians, reducing their lands to a Roman province. In 107, Trajan sent his general Hadrian to force the Iazyges to submit. Trajan also officially allowed the Iazyges to settle there as confederates. In 117, Trajan died, and was succeeded as emperor by Hadrian, who moved to consolidate and protect his predecessor's gains. While the Romans kept Dacia, the Iazyges stayed independent, accepting a client relationship with Rome, following the Roman political doctrine of putting buffer states between them and potential threats such as the Dacians. As long as Rome remained powerful, the situation could be maintained, but in the late second century, the Empire was becoming increasingly overstretched. In the summer of 166, while the Romans were tied down in a war with Parthia, the peoples north of the Danube, the Marcomanni, the Naristi, the Vandals, the Hermanduri, the Lombards and the Quadi, all swept south over the Danube to invade and plunder the exposed Roman provinces.<ref name="Birth of Eurasia 284" /> The Iazyges joined in and killed Calpurnius Proculus, the Roman governor of Dacia. To counter them, the 5th Macedonian Legion, a veteran of the Parthian campaign, was moved from Moesia Inferior to Dacia Superior, nearer the enemy. The Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius spent the rest of his life trying to restore the situation (see the Marcomannic Wars). In the autumn of 169, Marcus set out from Rome, together with his son-in-law and closest aide Claudius Pompeianus. The Romans had gathered their forces and intended to subdue the independent tribes (especially the Iazyges), who lived between the Danube and the Roman province of Dacia. In 170, the Iazyges defeated and killed Marcus Claudius Fronto, Roman governor of Lower Moesia. Operating from Sirmium (today Sremska Mitrovica, Vojvodina, Serbia) on the Sava river, Marcus Aurelius focused attention on the Iazyges living in the plain of the river Tisza (Expeditio Sarmatica). After hard fighting, and few victories, the Iazyges were pressed to their limits.
The Iazyges came to an agreement after experiencing downfall, and all foremost men came in the company of King Zanticus before Aurelius to accept peace.<ref name=Dio-126>Dio, [https://books.google.com/books?id=D3ZEPZXFKfkC&pg=PA126 p. 126]</ref> The Iazyges had earlier imprisoned their second king Banadaspus for making proposals to Aurelius.<ref name=Dio-126/> At the same time, Aurelius's former friend Avidius Cassius had led a revolt in the East, which greatly upset Aurelius and forced him to come to terms with the Iazyges, contrary to his wishes.<ref>Dio, p. 127</ref> The treaty yielded the Romans some 100,000 Roman captives, which showed the strength that the Iazyges still had and what great harm they were capable of.<ref name=Dio-126/> The treaty was the same as those of the Quadi and Marcomanni, except that the Iazyges were required to live twice as far from the Danube as those two tribes (Aurelius wanted to uproot them).<ref name=Dio-126/> Another stipulation of the treaty was that the Iazyges were allowed to venture through Roman land to trade with the Roxolani, as long as they had permission from the governor of the province. Another few terms were that the Iazyges were not to settle within 10 Roman miles (9.2 modern miles) of the Danube, or on the islands of the Danube, or to own boats; however, these terms were lifted in 179. At once, the Iazyges provided the Romans with 8,000 cavalry to serve in the Roman army as auxiliaries; 5,500 of these were shipped off to serve in the Roman army in Britain, One detachment is known to have been stationed in Ribchester.<ref name="Birth of Eurasia 284" /> Some chose to remain after their service, settling down by the River Ribble in Lancashire, where a grave stela depicting a Sarmatian warrior has been found. <ref name=Dio-126/> Marcus's victory was decisive in that the Iazyges did not again appear as a major threat to Rome.
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Good read, hope this helps. Llammakey ( talk) 02:32, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Llammakey ( talk) 14:51, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Is ['aɪɯzɪɡeːz] meant as the English pronunciation? If so, I wonder whether ɯ is the correct vowel. The English example cited in Close back unrounded vowel is a California pronunciation of "goose," suggesting something akin to "I-oo-zig-ayz," which seems off. If it's meant as an ancient pronunciation, I'm not familiar with Classical Greek, but the article on that language, at least, does not show ɯ to have been used. Either way, if there's a pronunciation guide that could be cited, that would help. Lusanaherandraton ( talk) 20:27, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
"In 472 AD, the Visigothic king, Theoderic the Great, is reported to have conquered the Iazyges and killed their co-kings, Babaï and Benga.[51] In the 5th century they were conquered by the Goths.[52]" Oh, really? Are you kidding, when you cite books from the 19th century? What is the original source of the war with the "Sarmatians" (not Iazyges)? I will tell you: Jordanes, Getica 54,227:
LIV (277) The kings [of the Suavi], Hunimund and Alaric, fearing the destruction that had come upon the Sciri, next made war upon the Goths, relying upon the aid of the Sarmatians, who had come to them as auxiliaries with their kings Beuca and Babai. They summoned the last remnants of the Sciri, with Edica and Hunuulf, their chieftains, thinking they would fight the more desperately to avenge themselves. They had on their side the Gepidae also, as well as no small reënforcements from the race of the Rugi and from others gathered here and there. Thus they brought together a great host at the river Bolia in Pannonia and encamped there. (278) Now when Valamir was dead, the Goths fled to Thiudimer, his brother. Although he had long ruled along with his brothers, yet he took the insignia of his increased authority and summoned his younger brother Vidimer and shared with him the cares of war, resorting to arms under compulsion. A battle was fought and the party of the Goths was found to be so much the stronger that the plain was drenched in the blood of their fallen foes and looked like a crimson sea. Weapons and corpses, piled up like hills, covered the plain for more than ten miles. (279) When the Goths saw this, they rejoiced with joy unspeakable, because by this great slaughter of their foes they had avenged the blood of Valamir their king and the injury done themselves. But those of the innumerable and motley throng of the foe who were able to escape, though they got away, nevertheless came to their own land with difficulty and without glory.
Where is any word about Thedoric the Great? He was only a boy at that time! In fact, he was not even at home, but in Constantinople! Who inserted this mess? The man must have been drunk! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Centrum99 ( talk • contribs) 23:06, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
User:Iazyges has asked me to provide comments on this article before a potential FAC. I have the following suggestions:
User:Iazyges, why you deleted referenced map from the article? Reference for this map is a book written by notable Russian archaeologist and historian Valentin Vasilyevich Sedov. This is name of the book: Valentin Vasiljevič Sedov, Sloveni u dalekoj prošlosti, Novi Sad, 2012. (published in 2012 in Novi Sad, Serbia). And this is a scanned page from that book: https://s21.postimg.org/falyiw9hj/Pict0001447.jpg It is obvious that borders and descriptions in map from this scanned page are matching ones in a map which you removed from the article. If you cannot read Russian then I am sure that you can find someone to translate this for you. Lack of linguistic skills should not be an excuse for this kind of behavior (deletion of useful and referenced material from the article). Now, when references are clarified, why you do not tell me is there some other reason why you deleted this map? Do you claim that map is inaccurate in some way? Do you have some references which contradicting to this map? I want to understand your position here. 109.121.32.27 ( talk) 07:56, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Can the singular form of the Iazyges (with pronunciation) be mentioned? The image description reads "an Iazyx", yet there is no mention if it's right or wrong (aside from the Greek variant).-- Adûnâi ( talk) 23:18, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
The dynamic IPs that have been hitting this article are probably the Perun editor, who is banned. - 165.234.252.11 ( talk) 17:53, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Sugarloaf helms, are a type of high medival greathelm that appeared centuries later. I assume what the author ment, is that they used conic shaped helmat, maybe simmilar to those worn by the sarmatian on the trajan column. I would theirfor replace sugarloaf helms with conic helms and remove the nonsensical link to the medival greathelm article
The article says that the capital of the Iazyges was Partiscum, which is now Kecskemét. This is false. Partiscum is the old name of Szeged. So which of them was the capital? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.249.153.176 ( talk) 09:24, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
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Is there any reason why the 1911 version still appears at the end of the page? I see very little info here that is not covered more fully and accurately in the much better main article, apart from only this:
Codex Sinaiticus 19:24, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Need to clarify the events of 92. Legio XXI Rapax was destroyed by a coalition of Dacians and Rhoxolani at Tropaeum Traiani.-- Codrin.B ( talk) 23:35, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
The articles Roxolani, Battle_of_Adamclisi_(92_AD) and Legio XXI Rapax state the Roxolani destroyed the Legion along with the Dacians, not the Iazyges. Moreover, the Legio XXI Rapax and Battle of Adamclisi articles cite their source : Bennett, Julian. Traian. ISBN 973-571-583-X. Tehem ( talk) 22:01, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
As pointed out by the tags, the article needs dire improvement. I hope to do this soon, by adding more history and archaeology and less diatribe about supposed Iazygi - Jasi connection Slovenski Volk ( talk) 09:37, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
In 101–105, Trajan finally conquered the Dacians, reducing their lands to a Roman province. In 107, Trajan sent his general Hadrian to force the Iazyges to submit. Trajan also officially allowed the Iazyges to settle there as confederates. In 117, Trajan died, and was succeeded as emperor by Hadrian, who moved to consolidate and protect his predecessor's gains. While the Romans kept Dacia, the Iazyges stayed independent, accepting a client relationship with Rome, following the Roman political doctrine of putting buffer states between them and potential threats such as the Dacians. As long as Rome remained powerful, the situation could be maintained, but in the late second century, the Empire was becoming increasingly overstretched. In the summer of 166, while the Romans were tied down in a war with Parthia, the peoples north of the Danube, the Marcomanni, the Naristi, the Vandals, the Hermanduri, the Lombards and the Quadi, all swept south over the Danube to invade and plunder the exposed Roman provinces.<ref name="Birth of Eurasia 284" /> The Iazyges joined in and killed Calpurnius Proculus, the Roman governor of Dacia. To counter them, the 5th Macedonian Legion, a veteran of the Parthian campaign, was moved from Moesia Inferior to Dacia Superior, nearer the enemy. The Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius spent the rest of his life trying to restore the situation (see the Marcomannic Wars). In the autumn of 169, Marcus set out from Rome, together with his son-in-law and closest aide Claudius Pompeianus. The Romans had gathered their forces and intended to subdue the independent tribes (especially the Iazyges), who lived between the Danube and the Roman province of Dacia. In 170, the Iazyges defeated and killed Marcus Claudius Fronto, Roman governor of Lower Moesia. Operating from Sirmium (today Sremska Mitrovica, Vojvodina, Serbia) on the Sava river, Marcus Aurelius focused attention on the Iazyges living in the plain of the river Tisza (Expeditio Sarmatica). After hard fighting, and few victories, the Iazyges were pressed to their limits.
The Iazyges came to an agreement after experiencing downfall, and all foremost men came in the company of King Zanticus before Aurelius to accept peace.<ref name=Dio-126>Dio, [https://books.google.com/books?id=D3ZEPZXFKfkC&pg=PA126 p. 126]</ref> The Iazyges had earlier imprisoned their second king Banadaspus for making proposals to Aurelius.<ref name=Dio-126/> At the same time, Aurelius's former friend Avidius Cassius had led a revolt in the East, which greatly upset Aurelius and forced him to come to terms with the Iazyges, contrary to his wishes.<ref>Dio, p. 127</ref> The treaty yielded the Romans some 100,000 Roman captives, which showed the strength that the Iazyges still had and what great harm they were capable of.<ref name=Dio-126/> The treaty was the same as those of the Quadi and Marcomanni, except that the Iazyges were required to live twice as far from the Danube as those two tribes (Aurelius wanted to uproot them).<ref name=Dio-126/> Another stipulation of the treaty was that the Iazyges were allowed to venture through Roman land to trade with the Roxolani, as long as they had permission from the governor of the province. Another few terms were that the Iazyges were not to settle within 10 Roman miles (9.2 modern miles) of the Danube, or on the islands of the Danube, or to own boats; however, these terms were lifted in 179. At once, the Iazyges provided the Romans with 8,000 cavalry to serve in the Roman army as auxiliaries; 5,500 of these were shipped off to serve in the Roman army in Britain, One detachment is known to have been stationed in Ribchester.<ref name="Birth of Eurasia 284" /> Some chose to remain after their service, settling down by the River Ribble in Lancashire, where a grave stela depicting a Sarmatian warrior has been found. <ref name=Dio-126/> Marcus's victory was decisive in that the Iazyges did not again appear as a major threat to Rome.
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Good read, hope this helps. Llammakey ( talk) 02:32, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Llammakey ( talk) 14:51, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Is ['aɪɯzɪɡeːz] meant as the English pronunciation? If so, I wonder whether ɯ is the correct vowel. The English example cited in Close back unrounded vowel is a California pronunciation of "goose," suggesting something akin to "I-oo-zig-ayz," which seems off. If it's meant as an ancient pronunciation, I'm not familiar with Classical Greek, but the article on that language, at least, does not show ɯ to have been used. Either way, if there's a pronunciation guide that could be cited, that would help. Lusanaherandraton ( talk) 20:27, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
"In 472 AD, the Visigothic king, Theoderic the Great, is reported to have conquered the Iazyges and killed their co-kings, Babaï and Benga.[51] In the 5th century they were conquered by the Goths.[52]" Oh, really? Are you kidding, when you cite books from the 19th century? What is the original source of the war with the "Sarmatians" (not Iazyges)? I will tell you: Jordanes, Getica 54,227:
LIV (277) The kings [of the Suavi], Hunimund and Alaric, fearing the destruction that had come upon the Sciri, next made war upon the Goths, relying upon the aid of the Sarmatians, who had come to them as auxiliaries with their kings Beuca and Babai. They summoned the last remnants of the Sciri, with Edica and Hunuulf, their chieftains, thinking they would fight the more desperately to avenge themselves. They had on their side the Gepidae also, as well as no small reënforcements from the race of the Rugi and from others gathered here and there. Thus they brought together a great host at the river Bolia in Pannonia and encamped there. (278) Now when Valamir was dead, the Goths fled to Thiudimer, his brother. Although he had long ruled along with his brothers, yet he took the insignia of his increased authority and summoned his younger brother Vidimer and shared with him the cares of war, resorting to arms under compulsion. A battle was fought and the party of the Goths was found to be so much the stronger that the plain was drenched in the blood of their fallen foes and looked like a crimson sea. Weapons and corpses, piled up like hills, covered the plain for more than ten miles. (279) When the Goths saw this, they rejoiced with joy unspeakable, because by this great slaughter of their foes they had avenged the blood of Valamir their king and the injury done themselves. But those of the innumerable and motley throng of the foe who were able to escape, though they got away, nevertheless came to their own land with difficulty and without glory.
Where is any word about Thedoric the Great? He was only a boy at that time! In fact, he was not even at home, but in Constantinople! Who inserted this mess? The man must have been drunk! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Centrum99 ( talk • contribs) 23:06, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
User:Iazyges has asked me to provide comments on this article before a potential FAC. I have the following suggestions:
User:Iazyges, why you deleted referenced map from the article? Reference for this map is a book written by notable Russian archaeologist and historian Valentin Vasilyevich Sedov. This is name of the book: Valentin Vasiljevič Sedov, Sloveni u dalekoj prošlosti, Novi Sad, 2012. (published in 2012 in Novi Sad, Serbia). And this is a scanned page from that book: https://s21.postimg.org/falyiw9hj/Pict0001447.jpg It is obvious that borders and descriptions in map from this scanned page are matching ones in a map which you removed from the article. If you cannot read Russian then I am sure that you can find someone to translate this for you. Lack of linguistic skills should not be an excuse for this kind of behavior (deletion of useful and referenced material from the article). Now, when references are clarified, why you do not tell me is there some other reason why you deleted this map? Do you claim that map is inaccurate in some way? Do you have some references which contradicting to this map? I want to understand your position here. 109.121.32.27 ( talk) 07:56, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Can the singular form of the Iazyges (with pronunciation) be mentioned? The image description reads "an Iazyx", yet there is no mention if it's right or wrong (aside from the Greek variant).-- Adûnâi ( talk) 23:18, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
The dynamic IPs that have been hitting this article are probably the Perun editor, who is banned. - 165.234.252.11 ( talk) 17:53, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Sugarloaf helms, are a type of high medival greathelm that appeared centuries later. I assume what the author ment, is that they used conic shaped helmat, maybe simmilar to those worn by the sarmatian on the trajan column. I would theirfor replace sugarloaf helms with conic helms and remove the nonsensical link to the medival greathelm article
The article says that the capital of the Iazyges was Partiscum, which is now Kecskemét. This is false. Partiscum is the old name of Szeged. So which of them was the capital? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.249.153.176 ( talk) 09:24, 23 December 2022 (UTC)