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The article that appears on "analogion.com" is the one originally written by the author of this article, Georgios K. MICHALAKIS (otherwise known as "GKM") —Preceding unsigned comment added by G michalakis ( talk • contribs)
After you cleared that the author of this article is a generous and competent contributor, and not a thief, we should be happy that somebody has started to fill some of the numerous gaps in this encyclopedy. I just added a bibliographical reference to Navpliotis school book, which contains three volumes, and not just two. Other multimedial publications were already inserted by Michalakis as external links and allow to listen to historical recordings of Iakovos Nafpliotis.
The level of this article is rather high, problematic are only some proposed links for new articles. Its names have to be simplified and according to various transliteration methods for Greek provided with some useful aliases which help to avoid, that there will be ten articles on the same topic.
I updated some of the links, although I am not sure that the one about Nafpliotis' teaching became a victim of a lunatic web designer. Platonykiss ( talk) 18:30, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
I recommend to refer to some notes taken by Angelos Boudouris, translated into English by Dimitri Koubaroulis:
http://analogion.com/BoudourisMemoirs.html
He describes the conflict between Georgios Biolakis and Iakovos Nafpliotis as a rivalry between the school of Galata around Georgios Raidestinos II and the Old Patriarchal School of Iakovos' teacher Nikolaos Stoyianovitz, who already opposed to Georgios, because he sang according the Galatan school. I think that there is no need in an encyclopaedic article to identify stronger with the Patriarchal school of Iakovos Nafpliotis than even his student Angelos Boudouris who has at least described some unpleasant scenes between Nikolaos and Georgios.
I prefer to mention no longer the Karas issue, I mean as a kind of criticism against this article, as it has sufficiently improved here. After the issue had been already discussed 4 years ago, Iakovos' opinion is quoted now according to the memory of Boudouris and the author added the interesting detail, that his students replaced Simon Karas and continued to document Iakovos' patriarchal style. I personally think that there are a lot of more interesting details in Boudouris book, which are worth to be mentioned here (quoted or summarized). You have the Greek original and you can even quote in both languages. Platonykiss ( talk) 21:46, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
GKM: WHERE? Along with Nileas Kamarados? and what does Iakovos have to do with Kiltzanides or "exoteric" music?
GKM: παραλλαγή ("solfeggio") has NOTHING to do with the Papadic Octoechos.
According to the New Method you are right. According to the psaltic art you are wrong. I agree that an own article would be useful, but the current article solfeggio has certainly nothing to do with the Orthodox practice of parallage in any period, unless you insert a section about Chrysanthos, because this article is not just about the method taught at the Conservatoire de Paris (for the Guidonian solfeggio used in Western plainchant, please consult the article Guidonian hand). Right now I can offer you this link which treats the transition according to Chrysanthos. Platonykiss ( talk) 20:08, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
You suggested two links for modern neume notation. The whole topic is still missing. According to my experience I recommend to write an own entry, despite that there is already an entry Neume, which is so far focussed on Latin square notation. But it would become too long, if you introduced there into Ekphonetic notation, Kontakarion, Theta, Chartres, Coislin, Old Armenian, Middle Byzantine, Kryuki, and Neobyzantine Notation (inlcuding all alternative neumes like the system of Lesbos), but different concepts as well as they had been developed recently. One separated article which treats all this different forms together (except ekphonetic), would be at least a start. Platonykiss ( talk) 21:57, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Just to get this article ready. I think a lot of traditional singers, not only musicologists, would subscribe this point view. There are plenty of publications, you might quote here.
As promised I leave it to you, but please allow me two suggestions: A. Lingas (1999) or the proceedings "Tradition and Innovation in Late- and Postbyzantine Liturgical Chant II" (see Alexandru, Troelsgård 2013), you can copy and paste the cite tags from my articles "Hagiopolitan" and "Papadic Octoechos" (please open the section "studies" by a click on "edit source" and you will find them).
If these authors are too academic for you, also Pelopides' publication of Chrysanthos' "Theoretikon mega" might do the job. Some reasonable links for "parallage," since you speak about the Chrysanthine practice (a bibliographical reference would do as well), and we can finally remove all these tags which still mark this article as incomplete. Platonykiss ( talk) 14:29, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
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The article that appears on "analogion.com" is the one originally written by the author of this article, Georgios K. MICHALAKIS (otherwise known as "GKM") —Preceding unsigned comment added by G michalakis ( talk • contribs)
After you cleared that the author of this article is a generous and competent contributor, and not a thief, we should be happy that somebody has started to fill some of the numerous gaps in this encyclopedy. I just added a bibliographical reference to Navpliotis school book, which contains three volumes, and not just two. Other multimedial publications were already inserted by Michalakis as external links and allow to listen to historical recordings of Iakovos Nafpliotis.
The level of this article is rather high, problematic are only some proposed links for new articles. Its names have to be simplified and according to various transliteration methods for Greek provided with some useful aliases which help to avoid, that there will be ten articles on the same topic.
I updated some of the links, although I am not sure that the one about Nafpliotis' teaching became a victim of a lunatic web designer. Platonykiss ( talk) 18:30, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
I recommend to refer to some notes taken by Angelos Boudouris, translated into English by Dimitri Koubaroulis:
http://analogion.com/BoudourisMemoirs.html
He describes the conflict between Georgios Biolakis and Iakovos Nafpliotis as a rivalry between the school of Galata around Georgios Raidestinos II and the Old Patriarchal School of Iakovos' teacher Nikolaos Stoyianovitz, who already opposed to Georgios, because he sang according the Galatan school. I think that there is no need in an encyclopaedic article to identify stronger with the Patriarchal school of Iakovos Nafpliotis than even his student Angelos Boudouris who has at least described some unpleasant scenes between Nikolaos and Georgios.
I prefer to mention no longer the Karas issue, I mean as a kind of criticism against this article, as it has sufficiently improved here. After the issue had been already discussed 4 years ago, Iakovos' opinion is quoted now according to the memory of Boudouris and the author added the interesting detail, that his students replaced Simon Karas and continued to document Iakovos' patriarchal style. I personally think that there are a lot of more interesting details in Boudouris book, which are worth to be mentioned here (quoted or summarized). You have the Greek original and you can even quote in both languages. Platonykiss ( talk) 21:46, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
GKM: WHERE? Along with Nileas Kamarados? and what does Iakovos have to do with Kiltzanides or "exoteric" music?
GKM: παραλλαγή ("solfeggio") has NOTHING to do with the Papadic Octoechos.
According to the New Method you are right. According to the psaltic art you are wrong. I agree that an own article would be useful, but the current article solfeggio has certainly nothing to do with the Orthodox practice of parallage in any period, unless you insert a section about Chrysanthos, because this article is not just about the method taught at the Conservatoire de Paris (for the Guidonian solfeggio used in Western plainchant, please consult the article Guidonian hand). Right now I can offer you this link which treats the transition according to Chrysanthos. Platonykiss ( talk) 20:08, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
You suggested two links for modern neume notation. The whole topic is still missing. According to my experience I recommend to write an own entry, despite that there is already an entry Neume, which is so far focussed on Latin square notation. But it would become too long, if you introduced there into Ekphonetic notation, Kontakarion, Theta, Chartres, Coislin, Old Armenian, Middle Byzantine, Kryuki, and Neobyzantine Notation (inlcuding all alternative neumes like the system of Lesbos), but different concepts as well as they had been developed recently. One separated article which treats all this different forms together (except ekphonetic), would be at least a start. Platonykiss ( talk) 21:57, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Just to get this article ready. I think a lot of traditional singers, not only musicologists, would subscribe this point view. There are plenty of publications, you might quote here.
As promised I leave it to you, but please allow me two suggestions: A. Lingas (1999) or the proceedings "Tradition and Innovation in Late- and Postbyzantine Liturgical Chant II" (see Alexandru, Troelsgård 2013), you can copy and paste the cite tags from my articles "Hagiopolitan" and "Papadic Octoechos" (please open the section "studies" by a click on "edit source" and you will find them).
If these authors are too academic for you, also Pelopides' publication of Chrysanthos' "Theoretikon mega" might do the job. Some reasonable links for "parallage," since you speak about the Chrysanthine practice (a bibliographical reference would do as well), and we can finally remove all these tags which still mark this article as incomplete. Platonykiss ( talk) 14:29, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
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