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According to this wikipedia page, and the entry for him on LibraryThing, he did; but there is another Iain King who probably wrote that book (which is about football, and the other Iain King writes about football for The Sun newspaper). Neither of Iain King's Amazon author pages say he wrote '9'. Which is correct? If he didn't write '9', it should be taken from his bibliography. Squareanimal ( talk) 15:39, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
I got more references for this article. Iain King got his CBE for work in warzones, not for his philosophy. They are the same person, though, because it says so in several places, including on the official blog of his publisher, 20th June 2013, here. It is still his philosophy which makes him more notable, though. Hairy poker monster ( talk) 15:19, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... This article provides several independent references both to the subject (Iain King) and to the importance of his work. His work has been praised by the Liberal Democrats (who are in the UK Government) as an example of an important philosophy, it has qualified for discussion on the international broadcaster CNN, it is discussed at some length in at least three different books (there are probably others, too). Please see the references to the piece, which provide details of all this. In my own work at University, there are several live debates about issues raised by Iain King and the solutions he presents. He is very notable in the world of philosophy -- Felixthehamster ( talk) 12:30, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
I've just spent a long time updating this entry, and did a large-scale search for references. Does anyone have any more on the Aristotle paradox about lying, and whether or not Iain King has made a signficant breakthrough on this? Also, there are lots of Iain Kings who come up on an internet search. Some things attributed to 'Iain King' on other webpages I left out, thinking it was someone else. Does anyone know? AlexMoore300 ( talk) 09:43, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
That's not true - look at the economist review, or the quote from the Royal Institute of Philosophy cited on the publisher's webpage, or the quote from the Observer (again, cited by the publisher); the 'Publishers Weekly' review is definitely independent, and I'm sure a large publisher like Bloombury wouldn't say things like the Kofi Annan quote without a basis for it. The Daily Telegraph review, I accept, is 'from the publisher'; the 'National Library of Australia' description seems to be their own. If you think some of the quotes are based on publisher's promotional stuff, then either put that in the reference/footnote, or qualify the comment appropriately in the text. But your deletion has just taken out lots of references, most of which are perfectly valid, even by your unfairly strict criteria. Alex AlexMoore300 ( talk) 12:41, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
I reverted Phil Bridger's comments - my original edits were in good faith, and I tried to maintain a 'Neutral Point of View' (even though I am, as Phil summises correctly, impressed by Iain King's philosophy work). Can someone else, please, go through each part of my large edit, reference by reference, checking them, amending or qualifying them where appropriate (for example, if an independent source, like the National Library of Australia or the Daily Telegraph is drawing too heavily on the publisher's promotional blurb). Note that the economist review described King's book as 'excellent'; I only drew out the word 'sensationalist' - I've tried to be as neutral as possible. Alex AlexMoore300 ( talk) 12:57, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
They don't. AlexMoore300 ( talk) 14:07, 31 January 2013 (UTC) Accepting the suggestion of PhilBridger's latest reversion, I've tried to accept some of his points. So, I've just editted the page again, taking a charitable interpretation of his comments - even removing the opening description from the NLA. Where a source - such as the Royal Institute of Philosophy - is quoted/cited by the publisher, I've tried to be clear on it in the references; but I think the view of the Royal Society are important here and need to remain in, appropriately qualifed and their original source noted. This latest version should not be wholesale reverted - please make any edits to the text, point-by-point. AlexMoore300 ( talk) 14:25, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Without even checking the references it's obvious Phil called it right, the entire disputed passage belongs on a publisher's dust jacket and not in an encyclopedia. If it's editorial consensus you're looking for IMO either remove the content or make it look like something that belongs here. Batvette ( talk) 22:53, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Because it is causing a Checkwiki error #72: "ISBN-10 with wrong checksum", I removed the ISBN from the entry:
Peace at Any Price, 2007 ( ISBN 9951-417-03-7 Parameter error in {{ ISBN}}: checksum)
I have tried unsuccessfully to locate the correct ISBN on the Internet. We need more bibliographical information to distinguish this entry from the Peace at Any Price How the World Failed Kosovo entries. In fact, I would delete all Peace at Any Price entries except one because it's a "Bibliography" section for a person, not a "Publication history" section for a book. Knife-in-the-drawer ( talk) 13:16, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
See:
Sources not yet used in the article:
-- Francis Schonken ( talk) 09:54, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
A third opinion has been requested. I see that a request has also been made at the reliable sources noticeboard. A third opinion is only applicable if no other dispute resolution is in progress, and RSN is a dispute resolution process. I am withdrawing the third opinion request, because RSN will provide the opinion. Robert McClenon ( talk) 14:28, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
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According to this wikipedia page, and the entry for him on LibraryThing, he did; but there is another Iain King who probably wrote that book (which is about football, and the other Iain King writes about football for The Sun newspaper). Neither of Iain King's Amazon author pages say he wrote '9'. Which is correct? If he didn't write '9', it should be taken from his bibliography. Squareanimal ( talk) 15:39, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
I got more references for this article. Iain King got his CBE for work in warzones, not for his philosophy. They are the same person, though, because it says so in several places, including on the official blog of his publisher, 20th June 2013, here. It is still his philosophy which makes him more notable, though. Hairy poker monster ( talk) 15:19, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... This article provides several independent references both to the subject (Iain King) and to the importance of his work. His work has been praised by the Liberal Democrats (who are in the UK Government) as an example of an important philosophy, it has qualified for discussion on the international broadcaster CNN, it is discussed at some length in at least three different books (there are probably others, too). Please see the references to the piece, which provide details of all this. In my own work at University, there are several live debates about issues raised by Iain King and the solutions he presents. He is very notable in the world of philosophy -- Felixthehamster ( talk) 12:30, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
I've just spent a long time updating this entry, and did a large-scale search for references. Does anyone have any more on the Aristotle paradox about lying, and whether or not Iain King has made a signficant breakthrough on this? Also, there are lots of Iain Kings who come up on an internet search. Some things attributed to 'Iain King' on other webpages I left out, thinking it was someone else. Does anyone know? AlexMoore300 ( talk) 09:43, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
That's not true - look at the economist review, or the quote from the Royal Institute of Philosophy cited on the publisher's webpage, or the quote from the Observer (again, cited by the publisher); the 'Publishers Weekly' review is definitely independent, and I'm sure a large publisher like Bloombury wouldn't say things like the Kofi Annan quote without a basis for it. The Daily Telegraph review, I accept, is 'from the publisher'; the 'National Library of Australia' description seems to be their own. If you think some of the quotes are based on publisher's promotional stuff, then either put that in the reference/footnote, or qualify the comment appropriately in the text. But your deletion has just taken out lots of references, most of which are perfectly valid, even by your unfairly strict criteria. Alex AlexMoore300 ( talk) 12:41, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
I reverted Phil Bridger's comments - my original edits were in good faith, and I tried to maintain a 'Neutral Point of View' (even though I am, as Phil summises correctly, impressed by Iain King's philosophy work). Can someone else, please, go through each part of my large edit, reference by reference, checking them, amending or qualifying them where appropriate (for example, if an independent source, like the National Library of Australia or the Daily Telegraph is drawing too heavily on the publisher's promotional blurb). Note that the economist review described King's book as 'excellent'; I only drew out the word 'sensationalist' - I've tried to be as neutral as possible. Alex AlexMoore300 ( talk) 12:57, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
They don't. AlexMoore300 ( talk) 14:07, 31 January 2013 (UTC) Accepting the suggestion of PhilBridger's latest reversion, I've tried to accept some of his points. So, I've just editted the page again, taking a charitable interpretation of his comments - even removing the opening description from the NLA. Where a source - such as the Royal Institute of Philosophy - is quoted/cited by the publisher, I've tried to be clear on it in the references; but I think the view of the Royal Society are important here and need to remain in, appropriately qualifed and their original source noted. This latest version should not be wholesale reverted - please make any edits to the text, point-by-point. AlexMoore300 ( talk) 14:25, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Without even checking the references it's obvious Phil called it right, the entire disputed passage belongs on a publisher's dust jacket and not in an encyclopedia. If it's editorial consensus you're looking for IMO either remove the content or make it look like something that belongs here. Batvette ( talk) 22:53, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Because it is causing a Checkwiki error #72: "ISBN-10 with wrong checksum", I removed the ISBN from the entry:
Peace at Any Price, 2007 ( ISBN 9951-417-03-7 Parameter error in {{ ISBN}}: checksum)
I have tried unsuccessfully to locate the correct ISBN on the Internet. We need more bibliographical information to distinguish this entry from the Peace at Any Price How the World Failed Kosovo entries. In fact, I would delete all Peace at Any Price entries except one because it's a "Bibliography" section for a person, not a "Publication history" section for a book. Knife-in-the-drawer ( talk) 13:16, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
See:
Sources not yet used in the article:
-- Francis Schonken ( talk) 09:54, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
A third opinion has been requested. I see that a request has also been made at the reliable sources noticeboard. A third opinion is only applicable if no other dispute resolution is in progress, and RSN is a dispute resolution process. I am withdrawing the third opinion request, because RSN will provide the opinion. Robert McClenon ( talk) 14:28, 13 December 2015 (UTC)