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Typo where intent is unclear: "A society of physicians and naturalists has existed in Jassy since the early part of the ,oth century, and a number of periodicals are published." I'd guess 19th, but could be 18th, or, I suppose, 20th. Does someone know what it should be? -- Jmabel | Talk 09:06, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)
The oldest institution of higher education in Bucharest is St Sava National College. The college was created in 1694 following Constantin Cantacuzino's initiative, under the name of the Royal Academy. Classes were taught in Latin and Greek, later expanded to Italian and French and then the sciences. It subsequently became one of the most respected high schools in Bucharest. During communism, its name was changed to Nicolae Balcescu High School. Following the anti-communist revolution of December 1989, the high school was renamed St Sava National College.
"[...] until 1859 when the Principalities of Moldavia and Wallachia merged to form Romania, with Iaşi as its first capital."
"Iaşi is an outstanding educational centre, strongly linked to French culture."
"The city preserves a splendid architecture"
IulianU 14:44, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
What shall I cite? Iasi was the first capital of Rumania.
Fact. If you're from Iasi, why are you asking me this? I don't care who intended what. Iasi was the first capital of Rumania. It only lasted four years, but it was still a capital.
I didn't write the part of Iasi being connected to French culture, but again, if you're from Iasi, then you probably know that there is a French consultant there, French exchange students, etc.
"The city preserves a splendid architecture" -- then you say: No it doesn't
Yes, it does. You can't be from Iasi. You must be a Bucharest agent. Why don't you go and corrupt the Bucharest article, instead? If you don't revert (or at least keep the fact that Iasi was the first capital of Rumania), I will do it myself -- Anittas 14:52, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
Please, do not move around my text when replying. Respect its structure. If you wish to quote me, fine; if you want to reply below my message, even better. As it was said: Iasi was the capital when the two principalities merged in 1859. Seperate governments, but the same ruler: Cuza - and he ruled in Iasi.
http://www.iasi.ro/about/brief.html
No, Iasi is not connected to Middle Eastern culture, you agent of Bucharest!
It don't matter if Iasi has one zillion Arab students; what matters is the curriculum in schoos and the cultural influence! There might be a German cultural centre, but French culture dominated - and still dominates - the curriculum. This, however, applies to most of Romania, and not just Iasi. -- Anittas 16:31, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
That site is the official site of Iasi. It might not be very well written, but the context is what matters. First you ask me for a link, then you diss it. Iasi was the first capital of Romania. It was the capital of the two principalities, was it not? It was where our 'constitution' - if you can call it that - was written.
Yes, Iasi is linked to French culture. That doesn't mean it's a copy of French culture. Why would it be a copy? It is linked, as in connected. Do you understand the difference? You might not see it to-day, but in the old days, when the boyars sent their children to study in Paris and Wien, you would've noticed it. You said that Iasi is more connected to Arab culture. In what way, if I may ask? This isn't about popularity in student numbers!
The architecture of Iasi is significant, for Romania. I think it should be mentioned. The Traian hotel was designed by Eiffel, the Trei Ierarhi used to be imbeded with gold on the outside, Palatul Culturii is said to be the Romanian Louvre, etc. Why shouldn't we credit these things?
And Jews are mentioned in the article, but if you think it should say more about them and Armenians, then please contribute. After all, this is Wiki. I'm sure no one will remove your contribution. -- Anittas 01:59, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
Rectification needed: It is not "the citizens" of Iasi City which started the 1941 pogrom in the first place. It was the authorities, the state of war, the global hysteria, the collision between the nazi world and the soviet world. In such issues the nations do not decide. Governments do. Nations [the "citizens"] cannot be globally blamed for psychopatic governments.
[RECTIFICATION ADDED BY A CITIZEN OF THE CITY OF IASI].
12:39, 18 October 2005 User:193.226.101.26 (rajaciasi.ro)
In that case, write as it says in that report. Don't say that citizens went out and started to kill. That makes it sound like the ordinary citizen went out to kill Jews. -- Anittas 20:57, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
Some did. Most didn't. Let's blame the entire city for what some corrupted people did, shall we? Some Romanians risked their lives, hiding Jews in their homes, but don't write about that. Only bad things. In fact, why not bring Fox News to write about the history of Iasi? They know how to report news and history! -- Anittas 01:02, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm not disputing the facts; I only ask for all facts to be presented. I disagree with the way you present these events. If those people killed the Jews, then also tell about the people - even if they were few in comparation with the mob, who opposed these acts.
I also question your intentions in writing about this. I do think that we should be open about the Holocaust and admit all crimes, but you guys picked on Iasi specifically and say that it was "among the most hideous murders committed against Jews anywhere during the Holocaust". I think it's disrespectul to measure suffering, but let's get real here: they were murdured. They were not stripped of their clothes and gased en masse; children, parents, and grandparents together. No one committed medical experiences on them; no doctors tortured them.
Look, I'm not trying to defend the crimes, but now you even involve Bucharest by saying that some doctor fled to the capital because of threats committed against her. That thief city was the mastermind behind all of that stuff, anyway. Are you another agent of Bucharest, paid to make Iasi look bad?
Also, and this time I'm repeating myself; you specifically pick on Iasi. There were many, many cities in Europe that either directly killed Jews, or sent them to concentration camps by train. Even neutral Sweden did this, but no one dares saying anything about that, because Swedes are politically correct.
Another thing that I think should be examined is the reason behind the killing. Again, let's be 100-honest. Those people who killed the Jews were evil, but why weren't all Jews killed? You said it your self: "half the Jewish population, was either systematically massacred by citizens, police, and soldiers, or else placed on "death trains". What happened to the other half? Why were they spared?
Also, Romania stopped sending Jews to concentration camps 18-months before the war ended. That's a considerable time that saved the life of many Jews. Why isn't this being mentioned? Should we only be bad guys? Should we not have any heroes at all? You guys just want to worsen our image by presenting only the negative aspect of the events. -- Anittas 04:37, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't know how much blame can be put on Romania for murdering the 300,000 Jews. Much of the murdering was committed in Basarabia where the government didn't really control the area. I don't like the wording of that fragment where it describes the events.
Example: "was either systematically massacred by citizens". I don't like that part where it claims they were massacred by citizens. It makes it sound as the citizens went for a walk, bought an icecream, killed a Jew, and went home. It was only some who did it! Not the average Iasian! -- Anittas 05:48, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
I said that I won't deny facts, so stop trying to get me to deny them! The so-called Romanian goverment was a fascist, corrupted goverment that came to power by a coupe d'etat. They threw Nicolae Titulescu out, then the Iron Guard took control of things, leaving Antonescu without control - until he destroyed them. If you want to blame an entire population for a corrupted fascist organization, then you must be doing something wrong. As I said: the government didn't even fully control Basarabia. The Iron Guard did what they wanted there. And yes, I think it's better to replace that sentence with "a portion of the citizens of Iasi". -- Anittas 06:19, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
We need a photo of Palatul Culturii. Can't we use this one from Romanian Wiki? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ro/9/99/Iasi.jpg -- Anittas 20:32, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
"The inscription by which the existence of a Jassiorum municipium in the time of the Roman Empire is sought to be proved, lies open to grave suspicion."
This is an intriguing statement, so I started to dig where it comes from. According to István Gyárfás, a Roman inscription was discovered near Osijek (Croatia): „pro salute et felici Pont. Max. et Anniae Faustinae Aug. Coniugi C. Clod. VI. Praef. M. Dacorum Jassiorum hanc statuam in Auraria numinibus”, dating to the time of Antoninus Pius (AD 140). Gyárfás was a 19th century Hungarian historian who researched history of the jász (ias), jazyg people, as he himself belonged to the jász people who settled in Hungary. The quote appears in the book "A jász-kunok története" (The History of the Jazyg-Comans) published in 1870. vfek.vfmk.hu/gyarfas_istvan/jaszkunok/
Gyárfás mentions the source also: "Katanchich Istri Accol. Geogr. vet. P. II. 239. Nro. 151."
Matija Petar Katancic (Valpovo, 1750 - Budim 1825) was an archeologist, writer and the fist translator of the Bible into Croatian (he was a Franciscan friar). He wrote a book about the roman milestone: A Tractate on the Roman Milestone Discovered near Osijek - DISSERTATIO / DE / COLVMNA MILLIARIA / AD / ESZEKVM / REPERTA / QVAM / PETRVS KATANCIVS / PANNONIVS / O.S. FRANCISCI / SCHOL. HVMAN. PROFESSOR P.O. / CONSCRIPSIT. /ESZEKI / TYPIS IOANN. MART. DIWALT / MDCCLXXXII. Osijek: I. M. Divald, 1782. Along with an exhausting tractate, it also contains a drawing of this lost milestone. [ [2]]
So the milestone is lost... but I cannot find any "grave suspicion" on this Croatian Franciscan friar.-- Sattila 23:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
In what sense was Iaşi "under Nazi control" during the Iaşi Pogrom? I'm aware that the SS were present, and participated in the pogrom, but as far as I know, no portion of Romania was occupied by Germany at any point during the war. Antonescu's regime was quite in control of Iaşi, and whatever Antonescu may have been, he was not a Nazi. Nor was this during the period of the Legionary state: the Iron Guard were already out of power. At this time, Romania had just recently officially joined the Axis, but as a member, not an occupied country. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:59, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't think is so much relevant to have the text: 99,5% Romanians and the other 0,5% gipsy. What do you think? I can offer you many examples of cities that don't offer such examples. Iasi 07:25, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that is important to have the lines on the minority %-age of a city with 99,5% majority of other people. Don't you agree with me? I know another city e.g. Focsani with more than 99,999% romanians. Apropos, why are you calling me Bonaparte and what is with all those warnings? -- Iasi 06:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
I fully agree that information is irrelevant, and also the name of the city in Hungarian, since there is no such minority in Iasi, and the links with Hungary were at best indirect.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.180.223.106 ( talk • contribs) 27 November 2006.
The other names were decided on the basis of communal presence and tradition (I have to wonder, however, about the alternatives present there). Consider Names of European cities in different languages. Dahn 12:20, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I got hold of someone at Yad Vashem. Here's their reply:
I consulted our Romanian-speaking experts, and they told me that in contradistinction to the Polish Jews, who used to give the localities also Yiddish names, the Romanian Jews named their towns as it was commonly accepted, in the particular case as Ias (Yash), Russian-influenced name was Iasi (Yassy).
Regards,
Mark Shraberman
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בתשובה נא להזכיר את פניה מספר 51386
ההודעה נשלחה על ידי מרק שרברמן
So there is apparently no distinct Yiddish name. - Jmabel | Talk 18:35, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
The Palace of Culture is lovely, but do we really need two pictures of it in an article on the city? (More would be appropriate in an article on the building itself.) - Jmabel | Talk 05:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Try aboutromania.com Basketball110 16:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Iasi population (July 1st, 2004): 317812
Source: National Institute of Statistics
http://www.insse.ro/publicatii/Romania_in_cifre.pdf (Scroll to page 9).
In the Gallery section, the third picture caption should be Lapusneanu Street, not Lapusneanul Street.
I'm surprised there's no picture of the "Vasile Alecsandri" National Theatre. It's one of the symbols of the city and the oldest theatre in Romania.
http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teatrul_Naţional_%22Vasile_Alecsandri%22_Iaşi —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.22.173.10 ( talk) 13:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
Why do we need pictures with Iulius Mall, Moldova Mall or The Central Hall? No picture from Copou, no picture with "Teiul lui Eminescu", no picture with "Bojdeuca lui Creanga", no "Trei Ierarhi", no Golia, and other monumets. But we have 3 shops and 3 pictures with the streets. And a black picture with the first university from Romania. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cristi.falcas ( talk • contribs) January 15, 2007.
Isn't Monterrey, MX, a sister city of Iaşi? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.157.111.126 ( talk) 04:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC).
I understand that there was a progrom in which many Jews were systematically killed, but why must the section of this event be included in the article, in such a large space? There is already a separate article for this. From a historial perspective, I don't see this event holding such a great significance for the history of Iasi. I believe that Iasi was burned down at least 6 times (Tatars, Turks, etc.) and many people were killed. If we were to give each slaughter an equally long section, the article would be too long. I suggest the section to be shortened. Also, the Jewish history of Iasi is also too long. How is that of any significance for the article? If every minority was to have an equally long section, again: the article would become too long. The history of the Jews only mention a statistics of numbers, but where's the legacy? A theater that was only popular to the Jews? A cemetary and a synagogue? What's the big deal about that? In fact, the Greeks hold a much richer history in Iasi: many of the Princes were of Greek origin; many of the scholars that studied at Iasi, were of Greek origin; and the Greek revolution, which was going to turn very bloody, started at Iasi. Yet I don't see a section of the Greek history in the article, taking a lot of space. -- Thus Spake Anittas 14:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I didn't propose to delete the section, but to shorten it. Dahn actually agrees to this practice. This is what he did to the Moldavia article by creating other articles about Moldavian military, etc. This section is too long and is not really relevant to the city of Iasi any more than any other tragic event. Also, much of the Jewish history of Iasi is not notable enough to have it in the article. How is it notable to mention that there is a Jewish cemetary from the 18th century? And in fact, why is there a seperate section for the Jewish history of Iasi? Did they not take part of the same city? Shouldn't their history belong to the rest of the history of the city? -- Thus Spake Anittas 21:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
The Pogrom concerns more the history of the Jews, or a history of the jewish community in Iasi, than the history of Iasi.~~
According to "factmonster.com," Iasi is the second largest city. I don't believe it, but they have sources. I'd really like to find out. ( Basketball110 ( talk) 02:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC))
See this pdf file from the Romanian National Institute of Statistics [3] Iasi is indeed second. Edgar ( talk) 11:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, Basketball110 22:05, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
That PDF linked by Edgar81 is a bit old; this article [4] published in a Cluj-Napoca newspaper now ranks Cluj-Napoca ahead of Iasi for the title of second-largest city in the land. Király-Seth ( talk) 00:31, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to see sources, thanks.-- mrg3105 ( comms) ♠♥♦♣ 03:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
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Edgar ( talk) 07:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Noting that Iaşi is used instead of Iași. The spelling with s-comma is the correct one. Don't know if this was a conscience decision or just overlooked.
Russell.harper ( talk) 21:11, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
I have some serious doubts about some of the nicknames listed in this article. For instance, "Cultural Capital of Romania" only appears as a passing reference on a local tourist site, and there are websites that make similar claims about Sibiu [5]. I suggest we refrain from including such dubious, "local pride"-related nicknames and stick to ones which are actually recognized and used by people in general. CaptainFugu ( talk) 16:49, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
I don't know who wrote that, but it's simply false. The "i" is just shorter, not silent. That is the case for many words ending in "i". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.112.44.135 ( talk) 05:04, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
There are a lot of controversy about the deportation of Jewish people called by zionists as pogrom. A lot of historians as Constantiniu F,[17], Dragan I.C. [18], Buzatu Ghe., [19], Stoenescu Al. [20],Solomonovici T. [21] wrote about different perception about the deportation. Deportations were usually in all Europe and US in the second WW. All germans and nippons were sent in camps in US during the war. The same situation was in Romania but a lot of people died because of some extremists and bad conditions of transport system. Exaggerations are typically for zionists. Starting with a bad and false hypothesis their conclusions are false. Example of exaggerations: zionists claims 13,266 peopele died but historical reports (references mentioned above)show above 1000-1500 people. This is why exaggerations make impossible to understand the true. Readder ( talk) 09:35, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
"there is no historical equivalence between the killings associated with Iasi at this time and your (frankly bizarre) link to the internment of Japanese and German civilians in the US during the war" ??? It is a connection. You need to read more. I entered a lot of references because it is better to know all historic opinions not only the opinions of some activists. Historians showed there was a deportation and during the transport, a lot of people died. In the city of Iasi there was some chaotic killings started by some extremists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Readder ( talk • contribs) 09:31, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
According to Wiki rules, it is better to know the opinion from different sources.So I added some historians in this section. Readder ( talk) 10:01, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes it is better to know all local historians research and opinions and not only activist's opinions. A lot of people wander why Romanian historians are silent. But this silent is produced by censors. Comparing opinions is better than listening a singular voice. 79.112.18.244 ( talk) 13:32, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
The Iasians lived among the Cumans and they left the Caucasus after the first Mongolian campaign in the West (battle of Kalka). The ethnic name of Jasz which is given to Iasians by Hungarians has been erroneously identified with Jazyges. Also the word jasz is a loan word from Slavon language. A.P. Horvath, Pechenegs,Cumans,Iasians, Hereditas, Budapest, 1989, p. 64 Eurocentral ( talk) 04:35, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Just a remind. Consensus should incorporate all editors' legitimate concerns, while respecting Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Some important naming conventions which the article's lead violates ( WP:LEAD#General guidelines and WP:LEAD#Separate section usage): Once a Names or Etymology section or paragraph is created, the alternative English or foreign names should not be moved back to the first line. As an exception, a local official name different from a widely accepted English name should be retained in the lead. (Foreign language: Local name; known also by several alternative names)".' If the case is exceptional, common sense may be applied to ignore all rules. Please discuss to decide whether this is an exceptional case or not. 2A02:2430:3:2500:0:0:B807:3DA0 ( talk) 04:27, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
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If the city of Iași in English is called Jassy is still written Iași ? Why can not it? That is the treatises and other documents appear to be Jassy.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raresrares20 ( talk • contribs) 00:11, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
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Are you sure the name "Iassy" exists? Never heard of it; neither in historical, nor in modern contexts. I know that a source which supposedly mentions this name is given, but I am afraid it could be a misspelling of "Jassy".
Jassy, on the other hand, is a real name and should be in the opening, since it was not only officially used until the end of WW2, but is also used in modern times, especially among Jewish communities, for some reason.
I've removed "Iassy"; if you disagree, let's talk about it here. Lupishor ( talk) 17:31, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
It should be updated. It is to vague. I am a Romanian historian and can contribute, bust most of my titles are in Romanian. I can still find some translated authors, like Keith Hitchins (Romania, 1866-147) or Neagu Djuvara (A short illustrated history of the Romanians). Tudorvisanmiu ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:24, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
De ce aeroportul din iași arată așa provincial în comparație cu cel din Chișinău? Buganicu91 ( talk) 12:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
mai multe poze, informații critice Buganicu91 ( talk) 12:03, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
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Typo where intent is unclear: "A society of physicians and naturalists has existed in Jassy since the early part of the ,oth century, and a number of periodicals are published." I'd guess 19th, but could be 18th, or, I suppose, 20th. Does someone know what it should be? -- Jmabel | Talk 09:06, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)
The oldest institution of higher education in Bucharest is St Sava National College. The college was created in 1694 following Constantin Cantacuzino's initiative, under the name of the Royal Academy. Classes were taught in Latin and Greek, later expanded to Italian and French and then the sciences. It subsequently became one of the most respected high schools in Bucharest. During communism, its name was changed to Nicolae Balcescu High School. Following the anti-communist revolution of December 1989, the high school was renamed St Sava National College.
"[...] until 1859 when the Principalities of Moldavia and Wallachia merged to form Romania, with Iaşi as its first capital."
"Iaşi is an outstanding educational centre, strongly linked to French culture."
"The city preserves a splendid architecture"
IulianU 14:44, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
What shall I cite? Iasi was the first capital of Rumania.
Fact. If you're from Iasi, why are you asking me this? I don't care who intended what. Iasi was the first capital of Rumania. It only lasted four years, but it was still a capital.
I didn't write the part of Iasi being connected to French culture, but again, if you're from Iasi, then you probably know that there is a French consultant there, French exchange students, etc.
"The city preserves a splendid architecture" -- then you say: No it doesn't
Yes, it does. You can't be from Iasi. You must be a Bucharest agent. Why don't you go and corrupt the Bucharest article, instead? If you don't revert (or at least keep the fact that Iasi was the first capital of Rumania), I will do it myself -- Anittas 14:52, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
Please, do not move around my text when replying. Respect its structure. If you wish to quote me, fine; if you want to reply below my message, even better. As it was said: Iasi was the capital when the two principalities merged in 1859. Seperate governments, but the same ruler: Cuza - and he ruled in Iasi.
http://www.iasi.ro/about/brief.html
No, Iasi is not connected to Middle Eastern culture, you agent of Bucharest!
It don't matter if Iasi has one zillion Arab students; what matters is the curriculum in schoos and the cultural influence! There might be a German cultural centre, but French culture dominated - and still dominates - the curriculum. This, however, applies to most of Romania, and not just Iasi. -- Anittas 16:31, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
That site is the official site of Iasi. It might not be very well written, but the context is what matters. First you ask me for a link, then you diss it. Iasi was the first capital of Romania. It was the capital of the two principalities, was it not? It was where our 'constitution' - if you can call it that - was written.
Yes, Iasi is linked to French culture. That doesn't mean it's a copy of French culture. Why would it be a copy? It is linked, as in connected. Do you understand the difference? You might not see it to-day, but in the old days, when the boyars sent their children to study in Paris and Wien, you would've noticed it. You said that Iasi is more connected to Arab culture. In what way, if I may ask? This isn't about popularity in student numbers!
The architecture of Iasi is significant, for Romania. I think it should be mentioned. The Traian hotel was designed by Eiffel, the Trei Ierarhi used to be imbeded with gold on the outside, Palatul Culturii is said to be the Romanian Louvre, etc. Why shouldn't we credit these things?
And Jews are mentioned in the article, but if you think it should say more about them and Armenians, then please contribute. After all, this is Wiki. I'm sure no one will remove your contribution. -- Anittas 01:59, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
Rectification needed: It is not "the citizens" of Iasi City which started the 1941 pogrom in the first place. It was the authorities, the state of war, the global hysteria, the collision between the nazi world and the soviet world. In such issues the nations do not decide. Governments do. Nations [the "citizens"] cannot be globally blamed for psychopatic governments.
[RECTIFICATION ADDED BY A CITIZEN OF THE CITY OF IASI].
12:39, 18 October 2005 User:193.226.101.26 (rajaciasi.ro)
In that case, write as it says in that report. Don't say that citizens went out and started to kill. That makes it sound like the ordinary citizen went out to kill Jews. -- Anittas 20:57, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
Some did. Most didn't. Let's blame the entire city for what some corrupted people did, shall we? Some Romanians risked their lives, hiding Jews in their homes, but don't write about that. Only bad things. In fact, why not bring Fox News to write about the history of Iasi? They know how to report news and history! -- Anittas 01:02, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm not disputing the facts; I only ask for all facts to be presented. I disagree with the way you present these events. If those people killed the Jews, then also tell about the people - even if they were few in comparation with the mob, who opposed these acts.
I also question your intentions in writing about this. I do think that we should be open about the Holocaust and admit all crimes, but you guys picked on Iasi specifically and say that it was "among the most hideous murders committed against Jews anywhere during the Holocaust". I think it's disrespectul to measure suffering, but let's get real here: they were murdured. They were not stripped of their clothes and gased en masse; children, parents, and grandparents together. No one committed medical experiences on them; no doctors tortured them.
Look, I'm not trying to defend the crimes, but now you even involve Bucharest by saying that some doctor fled to the capital because of threats committed against her. That thief city was the mastermind behind all of that stuff, anyway. Are you another agent of Bucharest, paid to make Iasi look bad?
Also, and this time I'm repeating myself; you specifically pick on Iasi. There were many, many cities in Europe that either directly killed Jews, or sent them to concentration camps by train. Even neutral Sweden did this, but no one dares saying anything about that, because Swedes are politically correct.
Another thing that I think should be examined is the reason behind the killing. Again, let's be 100-honest. Those people who killed the Jews were evil, but why weren't all Jews killed? You said it your self: "half the Jewish population, was either systematically massacred by citizens, police, and soldiers, or else placed on "death trains". What happened to the other half? Why were they spared?
Also, Romania stopped sending Jews to concentration camps 18-months before the war ended. That's a considerable time that saved the life of many Jews. Why isn't this being mentioned? Should we only be bad guys? Should we not have any heroes at all? You guys just want to worsen our image by presenting only the negative aspect of the events. -- Anittas 04:37, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't know how much blame can be put on Romania for murdering the 300,000 Jews. Much of the murdering was committed in Basarabia where the government didn't really control the area. I don't like the wording of that fragment where it describes the events.
Example: "was either systematically massacred by citizens". I don't like that part where it claims they were massacred by citizens. It makes it sound as the citizens went for a walk, bought an icecream, killed a Jew, and went home. It was only some who did it! Not the average Iasian! -- Anittas 05:48, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
I said that I won't deny facts, so stop trying to get me to deny them! The so-called Romanian goverment was a fascist, corrupted goverment that came to power by a coupe d'etat. They threw Nicolae Titulescu out, then the Iron Guard took control of things, leaving Antonescu without control - until he destroyed them. If you want to blame an entire population for a corrupted fascist organization, then you must be doing something wrong. As I said: the government didn't even fully control Basarabia. The Iron Guard did what they wanted there. And yes, I think it's better to replace that sentence with "a portion of the citizens of Iasi". -- Anittas 06:19, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
We need a photo of Palatul Culturii. Can't we use this one from Romanian Wiki? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ro/9/99/Iasi.jpg -- Anittas 20:32, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
"The inscription by which the existence of a Jassiorum municipium in the time of the Roman Empire is sought to be proved, lies open to grave suspicion."
This is an intriguing statement, so I started to dig where it comes from. According to István Gyárfás, a Roman inscription was discovered near Osijek (Croatia): „pro salute et felici Pont. Max. et Anniae Faustinae Aug. Coniugi C. Clod. VI. Praef. M. Dacorum Jassiorum hanc statuam in Auraria numinibus”, dating to the time of Antoninus Pius (AD 140). Gyárfás was a 19th century Hungarian historian who researched history of the jász (ias), jazyg people, as he himself belonged to the jász people who settled in Hungary. The quote appears in the book "A jász-kunok története" (The History of the Jazyg-Comans) published in 1870. vfek.vfmk.hu/gyarfas_istvan/jaszkunok/
Gyárfás mentions the source also: "Katanchich Istri Accol. Geogr. vet. P. II. 239. Nro. 151."
Matija Petar Katancic (Valpovo, 1750 - Budim 1825) was an archeologist, writer and the fist translator of the Bible into Croatian (he was a Franciscan friar). He wrote a book about the roman milestone: A Tractate on the Roman Milestone Discovered near Osijek - DISSERTATIO / DE / COLVMNA MILLIARIA / AD / ESZEKVM / REPERTA / QVAM / PETRVS KATANCIVS / PANNONIVS / O.S. FRANCISCI / SCHOL. HVMAN. PROFESSOR P.O. / CONSCRIPSIT. /ESZEKI / TYPIS IOANN. MART. DIWALT / MDCCLXXXII. Osijek: I. M. Divald, 1782. Along with an exhausting tractate, it also contains a drawing of this lost milestone. [ [2]]
So the milestone is lost... but I cannot find any "grave suspicion" on this Croatian Franciscan friar.-- Sattila 23:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
In what sense was Iaşi "under Nazi control" during the Iaşi Pogrom? I'm aware that the SS were present, and participated in the pogrom, but as far as I know, no portion of Romania was occupied by Germany at any point during the war. Antonescu's regime was quite in control of Iaşi, and whatever Antonescu may have been, he was not a Nazi. Nor was this during the period of the Legionary state: the Iron Guard were already out of power. At this time, Romania had just recently officially joined the Axis, but as a member, not an occupied country. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:59, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't think is so much relevant to have the text: 99,5% Romanians and the other 0,5% gipsy. What do you think? I can offer you many examples of cities that don't offer such examples. Iasi 07:25, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that is important to have the lines on the minority %-age of a city with 99,5% majority of other people. Don't you agree with me? I know another city e.g. Focsani with more than 99,999% romanians. Apropos, why are you calling me Bonaparte and what is with all those warnings? -- Iasi 06:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
I fully agree that information is irrelevant, and also the name of the city in Hungarian, since there is no such minority in Iasi, and the links with Hungary were at best indirect.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.180.223.106 ( talk • contribs) 27 November 2006.
The other names were decided on the basis of communal presence and tradition (I have to wonder, however, about the alternatives present there). Consider Names of European cities in different languages. Dahn 12:20, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I got hold of someone at Yad Vashem. Here's their reply:
I consulted our Romanian-speaking experts, and they told me that in contradistinction to the Polish Jews, who used to give the localities also Yiddish names, the Romanian Jews named their towns as it was commonly accepted, in the particular case as Ias (Yash), Russian-influenced name was Iasi (Yassy).
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So there is apparently no distinct Yiddish name. - Jmabel | Talk 18:35, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
The Palace of Culture is lovely, but do we really need two pictures of it in an article on the city? (More would be appropriate in an article on the building itself.) - Jmabel | Talk 05:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Try aboutromania.com Basketball110 16:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Iasi population (July 1st, 2004): 317812
Source: National Institute of Statistics
http://www.insse.ro/publicatii/Romania_in_cifre.pdf (Scroll to page 9).
In the Gallery section, the third picture caption should be Lapusneanu Street, not Lapusneanul Street.
I'm surprised there's no picture of the "Vasile Alecsandri" National Theatre. It's one of the symbols of the city and the oldest theatre in Romania.
http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teatrul_Naţional_%22Vasile_Alecsandri%22_Iaşi —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.22.173.10 ( talk) 13:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
Why do we need pictures with Iulius Mall, Moldova Mall or The Central Hall? No picture from Copou, no picture with "Teiul lui Eminescu", no picture with "Bojdeuca lui Creanga", no "Trei Ierarhi", no Golia, and other monumets. But we have 3 shops and 3 pictures with the streets. And a black picture with the first university from Romania. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cristi.falcas ( talk • contribs) January 15, 2007.
Isn't Monterrey, MX, a sister city of Iaşi? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.157.111.126 ( talk) 04:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC).
I understand that there was a progrom in which many Jews were systematically killed, but why must the section of this event be included in the article, in such a large space? There is already a separate article for this. From a historial perspective, I don't see this event holding such a great significance for the history of Iasi. I believe that Iasi was burned down at least 6 times (Tatars, Turks, etc.) and many people were killed. If we were to give each slaughter an equally long section, the article would be too long. I suggest the section to be shortened. Also, the Jewish history of Iasi is also too long. How is that of any significance for the article? If every minority was to have an equally long section, again: the article would become too long. The history of the Jews only mention a statistics of numbers, but where's the legacy? A theater that was only popular to the Jews? A cemetary and a synagogue? What's the big deal about that? In fact, the Greeks hold a much richer history in Iasi: many of the Princes were of Greek origin; many of the scholars that studied at Iasi, were of Greek origin; and the Greek revolution, which was going to turn very bloody, started at Iasi. Yet I don't see a section of the Greek history in the article, taking a lot of space. -- Thus Spake Anittas 14:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I didn't propose to delete the section, but to shorten it. Dahn actually agrees to this practice. This is what he did to the Moldavia article by creating other articles about Moldavian military, etc. This section is too long and is not really relevant to the city of Iasi any more than any other tragic event. Also, much of the Jewish history of Iasi is not notable enough to have it in the article. How is it notable to mention that there is a Jewish cemetary from the 18th century? And in fact, why is there a seperate section for the Jewish history of Iasi? Did they not take part of the same city? Shouldn't their history belong to the rest of the history of the city? -- Thus Spake Anittas 21:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
The Pogrom concerns more the history of the Jews, or a history of the jewish community in Iasi, than the history of Iasi.~~
According to "factmonster.com," Iasi is the second largest city. I don't believe it, but they have sources. I'd really like to find out. ( Basketball110 ( talk) 02:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC))
See this pdf file from the Romanian National Institute of Statistics [3] Iasi is indeed second. Edgar ( talk) 11:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, Basketball110 22:05, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
That PDF linked by Edgar81 is a bit old; this article [4] published in a Cluj-Napoca newspaper now ranks Cluj-Napoca ahead of Iasi for the title of second-largest city in the land. Király-Seth ( talk) 00:31, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to see sources, thanks.-- mrg3105 ( comms) ♠♥♦♣ 03:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
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Edgar ( talk) 07:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Noting that Iaşi is used instead of Iași. The spelling with s-comma is the correct one. Don't know if this was a conscience decision or just overlooked.
Russell.harper ( talk) 21:11, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
I have some serious doubts about some of the nicknames listed in this article. For instance, "Cultural Capital of Romania" only appears as a passing reference on a local tourist site, and there are websites that make similar claims about Sibiu [5]. I suggest we refrain from including such dubious, "local pride"-related nicknames and stick to ones which are actually recognized and used by people in general. CaptainFugu ( talk) 16:49, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
I don't know who wrote that, but it's simply false. The "i" is just shorter, not silent. That is the case for many words ending in "i". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.112.44.135 ( talk) 05:04, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
There are a lot of controversy about the deportation of Jewish people called by zionists as pogrom. A lot of historians as Constantiniu F,[17], Dragan I.C. [18], Buzatu Ghe., [19], Stoenescu Al. [20],Solomonovici T. [21] wrote about different perception about the deportation. Deportations were usually in all Europe and US in the second WW. All germans and nippons were sent in camps in US during the war. The same situation was in Romania but a lot of people died because of some extremists and bad conditions of transport system. Exaggerations are typically for zionists. Starting with a bad and false hypothesis their conclusions are false. Example of exaggerations: zionists claims 13,266 peopele died but historical reports (references mentioned above)show above 1000-1500 people. This is why exaggerations make impossible to understand the true. Readder ( talk) 09:35, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
"there is no historical equivalence between the killings associated with Iasi at this time and your (frankly bizarre) link to the internment of Japanese and German civilians in the US during the war" ??? It is a connection. You need to read more. I entered a lot of references because it is better to know all historic opinions not only the opinions of some activists. Historians showed there was a deportation and during the transport, a lot of people died. In the city of Iasi there was some chaotic killings started by some extremists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Readder ( talk • contribs) 09:31, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
According to Wiki rules, it is better to know the opinion from different sources.So I added some historians in this section. Readder ( talk) 10:01, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes it is better to know all local historians research and opinions and not only activist's opinions. A lot of people wander why Romanian historians are silent. But this silent is produced by censors. Comparing opinions is better than listening a singular voice. 79.112.18.244 ( talk) 13:32, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
The Iasians lived among the Cumans and they left the Caucasus after the first Mongolian campaign in the West (battle of Kalka). The ethnic name of Jasz which is given to Iasians by Hungarians has been erroneously identified with Jazyges. Also the word jasz is a loan word from Slavon language. A.P. Horvath, Pechenegs,Cumans,Iasians, Hereditas, Budapest, 1989, p. 64 Eurocentral ( talk) 04:35, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Just a remind. Consensus should incorporate all editors' legitimate concerns, while respecting Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Some important naming conventions which the article's lead violates ( WP:LEAD#General guidelines and WP:LEAD#Separate section usage): Once a Names or Etymology section or paragraph is created, the alternative English or foreign names should not be moved back to the first line. As an exception, a local official name different from a widely accepted English name should be retained in the lead. (Foreign language: Local name; known also by several alternative names)".' If the case is exceptional, common sense may be applied to ignore all rules. Please discuss to decide whether this is an exceptional case or not. 2A02:2430:3:2500:0:0:B807:3DA0 ( talk) 04:27, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
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If the city of Iași in English is called Jassy is still written Iași ? Why can not it? That is the treatises and other documents appear to be Jassy.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raresrares20 ( talk • contribs) 00:11, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
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Are you sure the name "Iassy" exists? Never heard of it; neither in historical, nor in modern contexts. I know that a source which supposedly mentions this name is given, but I am afraid it could be a misspelling of "Jassy".
Jassy, on the other hand, is a real name and should be in the opening, since it was not only officially used until the end of WW2, but is also used in modern times, especially among Jewish communities, for some reason.
I've removed "Iassy"; if you disagree, let's talk about it here. Lupishor ( talk) 17:31, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
It should be updated. It is to vague. I am a Romanian historian and can contribute, bust most of my titles are in Romanian. I can still find some translated authors, like Keith Hitchins (Romania, 1866-147) or Neagu Djuvara (A short illustrated history of the Romanians). Tudorvisanmiu ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:24, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
De ce aeroportul din iași arată așa provincial în comparație cu cel din Chișinău? Buganicu91 ( talk) 12:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
mai multe poze, informații critice Buganicu91 ( talk) 12:03, 2 March 2023 (UTC)