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Processor is an ARM1176JZF running at 620MHz, the best source I could find is: http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/01/iphone-processor-found-620mhz-arm/ Nickcich ( talk) 04:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I found an article on the web that says the iPhone currently has 27% of the smartphone market. The URL is " http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/11/21/iphone-grabs-27-of-us-smartphone-market/". Can someone add this for me, since this is a protected article? Thanks, 74.163.236.92 ( talk) 06:02, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
It will out in Canada in Q1, 2008 in Canada? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.2.238 ( talk • contribs) 18:56, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I edited the SIM lock section just now. There is no proof that Apple deliberately messed up iPhones with its updates. Anytime a 3rd-party messes around with the code in any device, you cannot expect the manufacturer to update the device without failure. Testing of the updates are done in-house, and do not take account any non-authorized modifications to the firmware. And, updating firmware is not like installing patches on an operating system, i.e. firmware updates do not merge into the existing firmware. Rather, updates replace the firmware. That is why non-official mods like adding applications suddenly disappear when you do such an update. I'm an expert in the area of firmware - as I've developed firmware and ROM-BIOS software for several companies - including Phoenix Technologies, C&T, etc. BTW, in the Software/Applications section, there is even a cited sentence indicating that Apple does not deliberately damage the iPhone. So until someone can prove with forensic evidence and/or an email or other correspondence demonstrating that the firmware updates purposely mess around with the functionality of the iPhone, please leave this information out.
I also removed the mention of unlocking the iPhone. It was poorly written to the point where it couldn't be fixed. Also, the criticism should not be used to tell readers how to go about eliminating the feature. Instead, a new section outside of the criticism section should be developed. Groink ( talk) 07:55, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Is this the 15th time someone has tried to create a criticism section on this page? Criticisms are best done in the body of the article as opposed to being given its own section, this has been hashed over again and again. Much work was done to integrate criticisms into the appropriate place and yet every time that happens someone mistakenly creates the section again. It looks like I'm going to have to fix this article yet again. -- Atama sama 17:27, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I suspect this has been discussed before but why iPod without "the", while the iPhone with "the"? -- Taku ( talk) 22:18, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Come on! It may sound wrong and not be in line with conventions of the English language but it is always said and written by Apple with just 'iPhone', no 'the'. Phelim123 ( talk) 17:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
How can a cellphone not be "multimedia?" If it makes noise and has a display it's multimedia. This can probably be excluded. -FoxMajik 20:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
A photo is worth a thousand words. But if it takes a run-on sentence to describe a photo, then maybe - JUST maybe the photo isn't delivering the message effectively. Case in point - the photo demonstrating the functionality of the iPhone's built-in camera. Photos are supposed to fit the context of the section it supports. In this case, if a reader can't make ends out of the photo without reading a lengthy description of it, then IMHO the photo is a bad one. I recommend removing the photo and wait for a better one to appear. I've said this dozens of times - it isn't a travesty if an article or section lacks a photo. AND, a bad photo is better than having no photo no photo is better than a bad photo. Unfortunately, I don't have an iPhone. But if I had one and wanted to demonstrate the camera's functionality, I would take a photo of a famous monument or other object, and then place it side-by-side with an archived photo of the same thing from the Creative Commons collection. Usually this would be considered original research, which is taboo on Wikipedia. But for the sake of demonstrating the camera's functionality, something along the line of what I mentioned should be fine.
Groink (
talk)
22:47, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Whoops! Mistake on my part... I actually meant no photo is better than a bad photo. How the heck did I mess that one up, huh???? Hehehe... Groink ( talk) 00:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Per the above discussion, I replaced the image with more simple, straightfoward one (read boring) which I found in flickr. While this new one is a lot less confusing, I am not sure if it adds any value to the article. It's always a good idea to discuss features along with images, but I guess I don't know how images can help the discussion of the camera feature. I put the image just to stimulate the discussion. I'm more inclined to the no-photo option. -- Taku ( talk) 08:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
What about information about the unlocking and the firmware updates of the iphone? If you want me to write it , just post it in my talk. --KelvinHO wiki flight simmer( talk) 01:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
As this page is protected, I am not comfortable editing it (I am a newer user), however, I think the current trademark issues that Apple is struggling with in Canada is notable. The iPhone is still not available in Canada due to the fact that Comwave Telecomm currently owns the iPhone trademark in Canada. As of yet, they have not reached an agreement. The dispute has been ongoing for more than a year with no resolution in site. Here is a reference: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/10/11/tech-iphone-trademark.html ( SJM ( talk) 07:15, 25 December 2007 (UTC))
On December 1 2007, Tusmobil, Slovenian mobile operator, started selling "unlocked" iPhones without official contract with Apple, which caused a lot of confusion with Apple Europe, local media and local Apple representatives. [1]
Spanish company SevenClick, based on information from a manager at Telefónica, announced on their technology blog [2] that Telefónica Spain expects to be shipping 3G iPhones by May 2008. [3]
The iPhone normally prevents access to its media player and web features unless it has also been activated as a phone with an authorized carrier. On July 3 2007, Jon Lech Johansen reported on his blog that he had successfully bypassed this requirement and unlocked the iPhone's other features with a combination of custom software and modification of the iTunes binary. He published the software and offsets for others to use. [4] Mugunth( ping me!!!, contribs) 03:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I made a separate section for unlocking, I think there should even be a separate article on unlocking the iPhone, because it is unusual in the way that so many people want to unlock it and how Apple go out of their way to prevent it from being unlocked. Towel401 ( talk) 01:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
The speed of the 1176 part is 412 Mhz after the 1.1.2 update. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.75.138 ( talk) 04:40, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
The article says
The iPhone does not support Flash or Java technology.
however the 2 sources it cites for this do not confirm the claim that it does not support Java. So at least the 2nd reference (the one to Markoff, John. That iPhone Has a Keyboard, but It’s Not Mechanical) which is irrelevant to that statement should be removed from after the sentence.
Then, further clarification is needed on this statement. It's written in the context of the web browser. Even if the web browser of the iPhone does not support Java applets, that does not mean that the iPhone does not support standard Java J2ME games such as Jamtris. If it is indeed the case that the iPhone doesn't support those, either, I think that needs to be mentioned separately. This is definitely relevant information, since that's a feature that most other modern cell phones have. 88.217.85.118 ( talk) 18:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
It should be specifically noted that the iPhone/Touch models are not supported by Apple on Vista 64 and Xp 64 bit systems (those favored by hard-core gamers). The only known method of support is a dual boot with a 32 bit system. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbt003 ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I would like to suggest that this text on the iPhone page 'The web browser displays full web pages as opposed to simplified pages as on most non-smartphones.' be updated to include a link to another Wikipedia page which lists links to websites that have iPhone specific websites! Like this:
"The web browser displays full web pages as opposed to simplified pages as on most non-smartphones but there are many websites that have developed an iPhone specific layout for users accessing their sites from an iPhone."
AndrewGoldy ( talk) 22:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
How about the modified paragraph then ??? Does that satisfy the WP:NOT#LINK and WP:EL ??? AndrewGoldy ( talk) 22:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
The Hardware>Audio section says that you can get video out of the headset jack with a "three way jack plug." This seems very unlikely to me, because they would either have to squeeze at least five electrical contacts into the jack or they would have to re-purpose the microphone contact. In addition, this capability would be unnecessary because you can get composite or component video and audio out of the dock connector using adapters sold at the Apple store. Plus, the Apple store does not sell this headset to video adapter, which makes me doubt its existence. I will probably delete that statement unless someone corrects me. Fluoborate ( talk) 21:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Why is thre no section detailing the many various criticisms users and tech reviewers have regarding this product? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.60.210.5 ( talk) 20:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep in mind, boys and girls, that Wikipedia is not entirely a Web 2.0 site as most people want to believe. Articles do NOT need to be fair and balanced. And, articles do not need to cover EVERY concern about a device. Maybe something political or religious should be balanced, but not certainly a piece of electronics. Also, that NPOV comment by anon is totally off-base, as inclusion cannot be used as a form of argument under Wikipedia. Rather than saying, "Well, so-and-so information is included...", it is better to fix those other errors. Groink ( talk) 23:17, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Encyclopedias do not address "hacks", period. That's why, in the case of voice recordings, it is not an officially supported feature. This is why out-of-the-box is assumed in ALL Wikipedia articles - not just the iPhone and iPod touch articles. To start adding words that doesn't add any more meaning to the article is a waste. It is like me telling someone, "I'm at the corner of 3rd and Main Street. I'm currently standing on two of my feet, as I currently have only two feet, but that can change some day in the case I chop one of them off..." We should allow readers to assume to a certain extent. And it is not the responsibility of us editors to make sure that the readers know that there are officially supported features, and then there are hacks. If we need to keep telling readers that, "Remember now, although hackers have developed products that allow the iPhone to whistle Dixie and solve the quadratic formula, the features we discuss on Wikipedia are out-of-the-box." is on the edge of insulting both the reader and the encyclopedia concept itself. Groink ( talk) 18:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
My last word on this matter. You can mention jailbreaking for historical purposes, but you just can't tell people HOW to do it, as some editors have attempted to do in the past. You can point people to places so they can learn how to do it by use of the external links section. But, you just can't assume jailbreaking is a regular thing to do to the device throughout the article, as I indicated earlier because that's what you tried to pull with the out-of-the-box blurb. The other articles are consistent with what I've said - they do mention CPU overclocking and such, but they don't go into details on how to do it. And, when they discuss things like Microsoft Windows XP, they don't write the entire article assuming the person hacked it (ex: "Installing service pack 3 might break your WGA hack" or "only works on a Windows XP installation that is in factory condition" shouldn't have to be mentioned.) If you guys really want to out-do all the other web sites and start getting into jailbreaking and hacking in detail, I suggest creating a new article on the Wikibooks site and pour your technical guts out there. Groink ( talk) 21:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I apologize if this is considered irrelevant, but is it at all worth mentioning Blendtec grinding an iPhone to mere dust and selling its remains on ebay? And have their been any viruses of any kind developed for the iPhone, and I do the support the idea that there should be a stronger balance of view on the article. If the author's not inclined to add criticisms to his article, allow someone to insert valid, rational, verifiable counterpoints. That's the wiki in Wikipedia, isn't it?
-Alan 24.184.184.177 ( talk) 03:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Remember the Trojan War? Someone had to open the door and bring the bridge down in order for the Trojan horse to come across. And once inside, all hell broke loose! That's the root meaning of the word trojan when used in technology. And Atama is correct: a trojan is not an infection. Even though a person unknowingly lets a program into his system, it doesn't "infect" the system. Like the Trojan war, it just "takes over" the system without having to feed off of any resource or grow/multiply in numbers with time. Whereas a the root meaning of a virus is that the virus integrates itself into the system. That's what an infection is - it increases in strength and multiplies as it feeds off the resources of the system, and eventually destroys the system. Groink ( talk) 20:55, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
The article states that YouTube was going to have all of their videos converted to an iPhone-compatible format by the third quarter of 2007. Well the third quarter has come and gone so does anyone know if YouTube has indeed finished their conversion of their videos or is it still an ongoing process? Also, the wording in this article needs to be carefully reviewed because there are many proposed "possibilities" and "potential future features" that may be introduced or may have already been introduced; care should be taken to make sure that the article remains up-to-date as much and as quickly as possible. Rajrajmarley ( talk) 05:49, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
A solution for the jailbreak links problem might be to simply add a link to the iPhone category on DMOZ, which is pretty complete.
http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Systems/Handhelds/Smartphones/iPhone/
The DMOZ category has a link to the wikipedia iPhone article.
~kara
204.210.204.190 ( talk) 22:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I'll email that editor and ask him to remove the link to the wikipedia article then. Jerk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.210.204.190 ( talk) 19:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know the official month of the year the Version 2 iPhone will be released? The article has yet to be updated as it still refers to the new release as 2008. — Imdanumber1 ( talk • contribs • email) 00:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
As of february 5, there is now a 32gb version available-- Sean7021 ( talk) 23:52, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
grams are more official, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.60.243 ( talk) 22:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
More people in the world use Metric; most of the Commonwealth uses Metric as opposed to Imperial except for the US. JimpsEd ( talk) 11:25, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Towel401 hit the nail on the head. As long as both measurement are given, it's not really a problem worth arguing over. Rajrajmarley ( talk) 22:18, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm a little curious of the 833MHz clock speed based on these references supplied below:
3GS: Samsung S5PC100 ARM Cortex-A8
833 MHz underclocked to 600 MHz
PowerVR SGX GPU
http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3579&p=2
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/t-mobile-accidentally-posts-secret-iphone-3g-s-specs/
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Archive 1 | ← | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 |
Processor is an ARM1176JZF running at 620MHz, the best source I could find is: http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/01/iphone-processor-found-620mhz-arm/ Nickcich ( talk) 04:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I found an article on the web that says the iPhone currently has 27% of the smartphone market. The URL is " http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/11/21/iphone-grabs-27-of-us-smartphone-market/". Can someone add this for me, since this is a protected article? Thanks, 74.163.236.92 ( talk) 06:02, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
It will out in Canada in Q1, 2008 in Canada? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.2.238 ( talk • contribs) 18:56, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I edited the SIM lock section just now. There is no proof that Apple deliberately messed up iPhones with its updates. Anytime a 3rd-party messes around with the code in any device, you cannot expect the manufacturer to update the device without failure. Testing of the updates are done in-house, and do not take account any non-authorized modifications to the firmware. And, updating firmware is not like installing patches on an operating system, i.e. firmware updates do not merge into the existing firmware. Rather, updates replace the firmware. That is why non-official mods like adding applications suddenly disappear when you do such an update. I'm an expert in the area of firmware - as I've developed firmware and ROM-BIOS software for several companies - including Phoenix Technologies, C&T, etc. BTW, in the Software/Applications section, there is even a cited sentence indicating that Apple does not deliberately damage the iPhone. So until someone can prove with forensic evidence and/or an email or other correspondence demonstrating that the firmware updates purposely mess around with the functionality of the iPhone, please leave this information out.
I also removed the mention of unlocking the iPhone. It was poorly written to the point where it couldn't be fixed. Also, the criticism should not be used to tell readers how to go about eliminating the feature. Instead, a new section outside of the criticism section should be developed. Groink ( talk) 07:55, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Is this the 15th time someone has tried to create a criticism section on this page? Criticisms are best done in the body of the article as opposed to being given its own section, this has been hashed over again and again. Much work was done to integrate criticisms into the appropriate place and yet every time that happens someone mistakenly creates the section again. It looks like I'm going to have to fix this article yet again. -- Atama sama 17:27, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I suspect this has been discussed before but why iPod without "the", while the iPhone with "the"? -- Taku ( talk) 22:18, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Come on! It may sound wrong and not be in line with conventions of the English language but it is always said and written by Apple with just 'iPhone', no 'the'. Phelim123 ( talk) 17:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
How can a cellphone not be "multimedia?" If it makes noise and has a display it's multimedia. This can probably be excluded. -FoxMajik 20:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
A photo is worth a thousand words. But if it takes a run-on sentence to describe a photo, then maybe - JUST maybe the photo isn't delivering the message effectively. Case in point - the photo demonstrating the functionality of the iPhone's built-in camera. Photos are supposed to fit the context of the section it supports. In this case, if a reader can't make ends out of the photo without reading a lengthy description of it, then IMHO the photo is a bad one. I recommend removing the photo and wait for a better one to appear. I've said this dozens of times - it isn't a travesty if an article or section lacks a photo. AND, a bad photo is better than having no photo no photo is better than a bad photo. Unfortunately, I don't have an iPhone. But if I had one and wanted to demonstrate the camera's functionality, I would take a photo of a famous monument or other object, and then place it side-by-side with an archived photo of the same thing from the Creative Commons collection. Usually this would be considered original research, which is taboo on Wikipedia. But for the sake of demonstrating the camera's functionality, something along the line of what I mentioned should be fine.
Groink (
talk)
22:47, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Whoops! Mistake on my part... I actually meant no photo is better than a bad photo. How the heck did I mess that one up, huh???? Hehehe... Groink ( talk) 00:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Per the above discussion, I replaced the image with more simple, straightfoward one (read boring) which I found in flickr. While this new one is a lot less confusing, I am not sure if it adds any value to the article. It's always a good idea to discuss features along with images, but I guess I don't know how images can help the discussion of the camera feature. I put the image just to stimulate the discussion. I'm more inclined to the no-photo option. -- Taku ( talk) 08:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
What about information about the unlocking and the firmware updates of the iphone? If you want me to write it , just post it in my talk. --KelvinHO wiki flight simmer( talk) 01:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
As this page is protected, I am not comfortable editing it (I am a newer user), however, I think the current trademark issues that Apple is struggling with in Canada is notable. The iPhone is still not available in Canada due to the fact that Comwave Telecomm currently owns the iPhone trademark in Canada. As of yet, they have not reached an agreement. The dispute has been ongoing for more than a year with no resolution in site. Here is a reference: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/10/11/tech-iphone-trademark.html ( SJM ( talk) 07:15, 25 December 2007 (UTC))
On December 1 2007, Tusmobil, Slovenian mobile operator, started selling "unlocked" iPhones without official contract with Apple, which caused a lot of confusion with Apple Europe, local media and local Apple representatives. [1]
Spanish company SevenClick, based on information from a manager at Telefónica, announced on their technology blog [2] that Telefónica Spain expects to be shipping 3G iPhones by May 2008. [3]
The iPhone normally prevents access to its media player and web features unless it has also been activated as a phone with an authorized carrier. On July 3 2007, Jon Lech Johansen reported on his blog that he had successfully bypassed this requirement and unlocked the iPhone's other features with a combination of custom software and modification of the iTunes binary. He published the software and offsets for others to use. [4] Mugunth( ping me!!!, contribs) 03:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I made a separate section for unlocking, I think there should even be a separate article on unlocking the iPhone, because it is unusual in the way that so many people want to unlock it and how Apple go out of their way to prevent it from being unlocked. Towel401 ( talk) 01:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
The speed of the 1176 part is 412 Mhz after the 1.1.2 update. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.75.138 ( talk) 04:40, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
The article says
The iPhone does not support Flash or Java technology.
however the 2 sources it cites for this do not confirm the claim that it does not support Java. So at least the 2nd reference (the one to Markoff, John. That iPhone Has a Keyboard, but It’s Not Mechanical) which is irrelevant to that statement should be removed from after the sentence.
Then, further clarification is needed on this statement. It's written in the context of the web browser. Even if the web browser of the iPhone does not support Java applets, that does not mean that the iPhone does not support standard Java J2ME games such as Jamtris. If it is indeed the case that the iPhone doesn't support those, either, I think that needs to be mentioned separately. This is definitely relevant information, since that's a feature that most other modern cell phones have. 88.217.85.118 ( talk) 18:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
It should be specifically noted that the iPhone/Touch models are not supported by Apple on Vista 64 and Xp 64 bit systems (those favored by hard-core gamers). The only known method of support is a dual boot with a 32 bit system. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbt003 ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I would like to suggest that this text on the iPhone page 'The web browser displays full web pages as opposed to simplified pages as on most non-smartphones.' be updated to include a link to another Wikipedia page which lists links to websites that have iPhone specific websites! Like this:
"The web browser displays full web pages as opposed to simplified pages as on most non-smartphones but there are many websites that have developed an iPhone specific layout for users accessing their sites from an iPhone."
AndrewGoldy ( talk) 22:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
How about the modified paragraph then ??? Does that satisfy the WP:NOT#LINK and WP:EL ??? AndrewGoldy ( talk) 22:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
The Hardware>Audio section says that you can get video out of the headset jack with a "three way jack plug." This seems very unlikely to me, because they would either have to squeeze at least five electrical contacts into the jack or they would have to re-purpose the microphone contact. In addition, this capability would be unnecessary because you can get composite or component video and audio out of the dock connector using adapters sold at the Apple store. Plus, the Apple store does not sell this headset to video adapter, which makes me doubt its existence. I will probably delete that statement unless someone corrects me. Fluoborate ( talk) 21:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Why is thre no section detailing the many various criticisms users and tech reviewers have regarding this product? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.60.210.5 ( talk) 20:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep in mind, boys and girls, that Wikipedia is not entirely a Web 2.0 site as most people want to believe. Articles do NOT need to be fair and balanced. And, articles do not need to cover EVERY concern about a device. Maybe something political or religious should be balanced, but not certainly a piece of electronics. Also, that NPOV comment by anon is totally off-base, as inclusion cannot be used as a form of argument under Wikipedia. Rather than saying, "Well, so-and-so information is included...", it is better to fix those other errors. Groink ( talk) 23:17, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Encyclopedias do not address "hacks", period. That's why, in the case of voice recordings, it is not an officially supported feature. This is why out-of-the-box is assumed in ALL Wikipedia articles - not just the iPhone and iPod touch articles. To start adding words that doesn't add any more meaning to the article is a waste. It is like me telling someone, "I'm at the corner of 3rd and Main Street. I'm currently standing on two of my feet, as I currently have only two feet, but that can change some day in the case I chop one of them off..." We should allow readers to assume to a certain extent. And it is not the responsibility of us editors to make sure that the readers know that there are officially supported features, and then there are hacks. If we need to keep telling readers that, "Remember now, although hackers have developed products that allow the iPhone to whistle Dixie and solve the quadratic formula, the features we discuss on Wikipedia are out-of-the-box." is on the edge of insulting both the reader and the encyclopedia concept itself. Groink ( talk) 18:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
My last word on this matter. You can mention jailbreaking for historical purposes, but you just can't tell people HOW to do it, as some editors have attempted to do in the past. You can point people to places so they can learn how to do it by use of the external links section. But, you just can't assume jailbreaking is a regular thing to do to the device throughout the article, as I indicated earlier because that's what you tried to pull with the out-of-the-box blurb. The other articles are consistent with what I've said - they do mention CPU overclocking and such, but they don't go into details on how to do it. And, when they discuss things like Microsoft Windows XP, they don't write the entire article assuming the person hacked it (ex: "Installing service pack 3 might break your WGA hack" or "only works on a Windows XP installation that is in factory condition" shouldn't have to be mentioned.) If you guys really want to out-do all the other web sites and start getting into jailbreaking and hacking in detail, I suggest creating a new article on the Wikibooks site and pour your technical guts out there. Groink ( talk) 21:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I apologize if this is considered irrelevant, but is it at all worth mentioning Blendtec grinding an iPhone to mere dust and selling its remains on ebay? And have their been any viruses of any kind developed for the iPhone, and I do the support the idea that there should be a stronger balance of view on the article. If the author's not inclined to add criticisms to his article, allow someone to insert valid, rational, verifiable counterpoints. That's the wiki in Wikipedia, isn't it?
-Alan 24.184.184.177 ( talk) 03:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Remember the Trojan War? Someone had to open the door and bring the bridge down in order for the Trojan horse to come across. And once inside, all hell broke loose! That's the root meaning of the word trojan when used in technology. And Atama is correct: a trojan is not an infection. Even though a person unknowingly lets a program into his system, it doesn't "infect" the system. Like the Trojan war, it just "takes over" the system without having to feed off of any resource or grow/multiply in numbers with time. Whereas a the root meaning of a virus is that the virus integrates itself into the system. That's what an infection is - it increases in strength and multiplies as it feeds off the resources of the system, and eventually destroys the system. Groink ( talk) 20:55, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
The article states that YouTube was going to have all of their videos converted to an iPhone-compatible format by the third quarter of 2007. Well the third quarter has come and gone so does anyone know if YouTube has indeed finished their conversion of their videos or is it still an ongoing process? Also, the wording in this article needs to be carefully reviewed because there are many proposed "possibilities" and "potential future features" that may be introduced or may have already been introduced; care should be taken to make sure that the article remains up-to-date as much and as quickly as possible. Rajrajmarley ( talk) 05:49, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
A solution for the jailbreak links problem might be to simply add a link to the iPhone category on DMOZ, which is pretty complete.
http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Systems/Handhelds/Smartphones/iPhone/
The DMOZ category has a link to the wikipedia iPhone article.
~kara
204.210.204.190 ( talk) 22:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I'll email that editor and ask him to remove the link to the wikipedia article then. Jerk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.210.204.190 ( talk) 19:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know the official month of the year the Version 2 iPhone will be released? The article has yet to be updated as it still refers to the new release as 2008. — Imdanumber1 ( talk • contribs • email) 00:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
As of february 5, there is now a 32gb version available-- Sean7021 ( talk) 23:52, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
grams are more official, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.60.243 ( talk) 22:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
More people in the world use Metric; most of the Commonwealth uses Metric as opposed to Imperial except for the US. JimpsEd ( talk) 11:25, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Towel401 hit the nail on the head. As long as both measurement are given, it's not really a problem worth arguing over. Rajrajmarley ( talk) 22:18, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm a little curious of the 833MHz clock speed based on these references supplied below:
3GS: Samsung S5PC100 ARM Cortex-A8
833 MHz underclocked to 600 MHz
PowerVR SGX GPU
http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3579&p=2
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/t-mobile-accidentally-posts-secret-iphone-3g-s-specs/
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