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After a week of working with iPhone I am frustrate and disturbed by stupid limitations that iPhone has given me and I believe it is a duty on Wikipedia to give truth to people that this shiny phone has big limitations that everyone should be aware of it. It is purely informal expand Missing Features, and I suggest to change the title to "Limitation, Missing Features or Weaknesses" to provide more meaningful and broad coverage.
iPhone for sure can't forward an SMS and that is definitely a must know for anyone, it can't sends multi receiver sms and it can't sms notes or any text inside any webpage or et cetera, it can't send links but it can email notes. I think Steve totally forgot about SMS functions in a Phone, since now there are billions of SMS sent around the world on daily basis. it is more useful feature than the phone itself.
I have to switch SIM card if I want to send sms to group of users and it is a real pain if you want to forward someone else if you're on the move.
Another missing feature is deleting multiple SMS or Multiple email at a time. also SPAM reporting is missing in iPhone and Gmail is not even synched if you mark any email.
Deleting a Single SMS message is also impossible. and why should we not inform people that these "Necessary" options are missing in a cell phone?
I think iPhone has more animation rather than features and these facts has to be told to any person who's reading iPhone page.
For the start I will change the Missing Features from Paragraph to bullets, to make it easier to read. and please reply here your ideas and if you do not agree with me.
Good lucks
Zirnevis 11:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
This iPhone has more weaknesses not mentioned.
At least is has Bluetooth 2.0, but it you can't tether to laptop, it's only good for stereo headphones. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ignatius.kc ( talk • contribs) 16:18, 29 June 2007.
You're absolutely right, the Features section looks like an effing iPhone commercial. Unfortunatly I don't own one to state its weaknesses, bt I'm sure there are several. Slartibartfast ( 19 92) 21:37, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Every one of the weaknesses originally listed by Ignatius.kc are listed in the article. The lack of 3G, tethering, and an expansion slot are all listed in the section Absent features:
iPhone lacks a number of other handheld features that have not already been mentioned and are common in competing devices, including 3G support, voice dialing, voice recording, instant messaging, a memory card slot, MMS, tethering, A2DP, common Bluetooth file transfer (OBEX), GPS capability, copy and paste, native games, and support for MP3 files as ringtones. However, some of these features can be utilized by un-official means.
The lack of 3G—and the potential problems that causes—is also described in the section Web connectivity.
The non-replaceable battery is mentioned in the section Battery, including a description of complaints by a consumer rights group:
The Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights, a consumer advocate group, has sent a complaint to Apple and AT&T over the fee that consumers have to pay to get the battery replaced.[39] In addition, the scheme and pricing was not made known to buyers until after the product was launched.
The "questionable" status of the virtual keyboard is described in the subsection Touch screen, which is the first subsection of the Features section (and the fourth paragraph in the article):
The virtual keyboard has been considered its chief weakness and a risk for Apple. David Pogue of The New York Times and Walt Mossberg of The Wall Street Journal both...found learning to use it initially difficult, although eventually usable. Pogue stated use was "frustrating" and "text entry is not the iPhone’s strong suit" but Mossberg considered the keyboard a "nonissue." Both found that the typo-correcting feature of the iPhone was the key to using the virtual keyboard successfully.
The lack of third-party applications is described in the section Applications (though, admittedly, without an explanation of how this could be a problem):
...Apple Inc. announced that the iPhone will support third party "applications" via the Safari web browser that share the look and feel of the iPhone interface. The applications must be created in Ajax or JavaScript to maintain device security. The iPhone cannot officially install full programs from anyone but Apple, although Steve Jobs has hinted that future third party applications are in development. Enthusiasts have demonstrated the possibility of unauthorized native code...
The section Web connectivity states that " The iPhone does not support Flash or Java technology." Finally, the section Camera says: "The iPhone features a built in 2.0 megapixel camera located on the back for still digital photos, but not video recording."
All of the descriptions I mention above, except for one about the digital camera, were in the article as of July 28, when you (Lars Holm) posted the statement that "a lot of the ones suggested above have still not been added". At that time, the section on the camera described it as taking still digital pictures, but did not explicitly say it could not record video: "...built in 2.0 megapixel camera located on the back for still digital photos." In fact, all of Ignatius.kc's weaknesses, except for the lack of tethering, were listed on June 29, when Ignatius.kc posted his/her original comment.
Regarding your own suggestions, the lack of third-party applications, is, as I have pointed out, described in the article. So far as I can see, the other suggestions—about the lack of multitasking, ability to edit Microsoft Office or Adobe Acrobat documents, remote management, ability to change the settings on the camera—are not mentioned in the article. But if you think that they should be, why don't you add them to the article? — Mateo SA ( talk | contribs) 22:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
It is easy, really: find a reliable source that describe these weaknesses and you can summarize that source. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 22:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
The iphone cannot be multi-touch, this is impossible for a capacitance type touch screen. The zooming is done by detecting the capacitance change pattern of fingers moving apart. It it would be useless for identifying two seperate discrete button presses. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.145.34.220 ( talk • contribs) 22:13, 2007 August 7 (UTC).
Really stupid of me to ask this question ...but then .better late than never.. Is the IPhone screen LCD or a plasma? Yourdeadin 18:04, 9 August 2007 (UTC)Yourdeadin
3.5 ? What does this refer to ? centimeters ? That looks very small for a screen 195.68.44.148 11:54, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
There is much debate as to whether the iPhone is a smartphone. Since there is no mention that it is in the article and it's not included in the list of smartphones, I move that it be stricken from that category.—Preceding unsigned comment added by IanCavilia ( talk • contribs)
It doesn't miss smart phone features, it misses SIMPLE Cell phone features, since the dawn of the Cell phone you could forward your SMS and REINVENTED Phone by Apple, so Called iPhone you can't even delete a single sms (only conversation), can you give me 10 none-smart or smartphone beside iPhone that misses all these feature at same time and YET claiming to be REVOLUTIONARY or REINVENTED phone?
* Forwarding SMS! * Deleting a single SMS (Can only delete a whole conversation) * Sort SMS (Ascending/Descending) * User-changeable battery * copy and paste * MMS * A memory card slot * A2DP, common Bluetooth file transfer (OBEX) * voice dialing * Infrared * Single button hangup * Voice recording * Smart dialing * Video recording * Instant messaging * Tethering * GPS capability * Basic Spreadsheet software * Check duration of previous calls * Native games * E-book reading software (such as PDF). * Theme selection. * File browser * SMS to one than one person (CC or BCC) * Sync contacts over Bluetooth * Send/Receive e-Business cards * Arrow keys to move left/right/up/left (not even on-screen key)
Zirnevis 18:20, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
I have added the part about the new financial times reports of chosen European Service Providers, please feel free to edit as necessary as I am new at this!! :-)
Danfoster20 12:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I did, I changed it to report it not as fact, but as a report - none of the parties involved have confirmed the rumour as yet... Phooto 16:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
so, any reason why is the header image been replaced with a non-free image, when a free alternative not only exists, but was being used? – ɜɿøɾɪɹℲ ( тɐʟк • ¢ʘи†ʀ¡βs ) 16:15, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Basically the first all-software iPhone unlock is working: See: http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/24/iphone-unlocked-atandt-loses-iphone-exclusivity-august-24-2007
I think this is the first unlock that is working as a complete software-only unlock. Might be worth mentioning?
Cheers, Raayman 12:09, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Can someone please confirm the releases in South Africa and Brazil, as I have not heard of these? If not, would someone remove it? Thanks. Ğavin Ťing 17:41, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
The article surprisingly contains no information on the progs implementing organizer functionality, i.e. the adress book, iCal and Notes. Why? Thyl Engelhardt 213.70.217.172 09:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
http://live.gizmodo.com/ Also official: 4GB iPhone is now gone. Only thing left is the 8GB iPhone for $399.
But, Steve says they want to get even MORE aggressive. What does this mean? iPhone will be even MORE affordable, so they’re dropping the price of the 8GB model to $399. Two hundred dollar price drop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.226.68.113 ( talk) 18:17, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Is the reference to 'price skimming' really necessary? Surely this should only appear if some source has referred to the allegation? 24.168.114.30 20:16, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to phrase it, but I think there should be some mention of the iPod (and a link to it) in the article's lead. -- Steven Fisher 21:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm surprised that no mention is made of the 3rd party applications currently being developed for the iPhone and iPod Touch. See this list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt.stoker ( talk • contribs) 08:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
The current picture (Image:Iphone menu.jpg) features either a ColorWare-colored iPhone or an iPhone in a rubber 'skin'. I feel that an iPhone sitting in a dock, unmodified, would provide a better image for the article. 203.87.119.103 17:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
I can't find any evidence showing a Q1 Australian release. All I've found is Apple's 2008: Asia release intention. Could this be cited or fixed? (ie. to 2008) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mvjs ( talk • contribs) 11:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
The amateur photos of the iPhone are low quality and barely capture the iPhone's screen. -- 72.191.51.199 01:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
In the Global section where it says when europe and asia will get the iphone, the part that says when australia and canada get it, should be immediatly after the first sentence and not at the end. The paragraph would 'flow' better that way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.168.3.21 ( talk) 09:02, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
Under availability, can "South Africa - Q4 2007" be added?
Thanks Trinium 15:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
http://www.eetimes.eu/201805434 - will be interesting if true, I have been wondering how it would work in Europe, given the abscence of viable EDGE networks (or at least that the networks won't admit that they have them?) Phooto 15:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
There is now a Free, open-source software-only unlock. See this German news: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/95868 Files are available for download from the Dev Team, there are links to several tutorials available. However, since the procedure is a bit complicated for inexperienced users, they should not be linked from Wikipedia until there is a simple GUI solution. Anyway, it is worth mentioning in the article, since this is the first solution that probably many people will use (other solutions need hardware skills like the first unlock method or money like the comercially available one reported by Engadged). -- 84.178.106.10 10:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
hello there, i am curious about the 3gs's cpu spec, it says that the speed clock is 833 MHz underclocked to 600 MHz....
well, it's like the Palm Pre, same cpu...
the pre also can boost up to 800-1000 mhz if you want to push it, at the expense of the battery,
but doesn't mention it....humble?
palm pre wikipedia page is editable, like apple iphone is semi-protected...
i am little bit worried about these so-so facts from apple,
like the criticism area gone or so,
like there is an angel(dark?) who checks everything for the good image of the brand/products?
like people who had problems with their iphone, had to sign a clause of confidentiality....or be pursued...
is this normal?
where is the freedom, where is the truth?
to be continued... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.51.68 ( talk) 16:13, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | ← | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | → | Archive 10 |
After a week of working with iPhone I am frustrate and disturbed by stupid limitations that iPhone has given me and I believe it is a duty on Wikipedia to give truth to people that this shiny phone has big limitations that everyone should be aware of it. It is purely informal expand Missing Features, and I suggest to change the title to "Limitation, Missing Features or Weaknesses" to provide more meaningful and broad coverage.
iPhone for sure can't forward an SMS and that is definitely a must know for anyone, it can't sends multi receiver sms and it can't sms notes or any text inside any webpage or et cetera, it can't send links but it can email notes. I think Steve totally forgot about SMS functions in a Phone, since now there are billions of SMS sent around the world on daily basis. it is more useful feature than the phone itself.
I have to switch SIM card if I want to send sms to group of users and it is a real pain if you want to forward someone else if you're on the move.
Another missing feature is deleting multiple SMS or Multiple email at a time. also SPAM reporting is missing in iPhone and Gmail is not even synched if you mark any email.
Deleting a Single SMS message is also impossible. and why should we not inform people that these "Necessary" options are missing in a cell phone?
I think iPhone has more animation rather than features and these facts has to be told to any person who's reading iPhone page.
For the start I will change the Missing Features from Paragraph to bullets, to make it easier to read. and please reply here your ideas and if you do not agree with me.
Good lucks
Zirnevis 11:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
This iPhone has more weaknesses not mentioned.
At least is has Bluetooth 2.0, but it you can't tether to laptop, it's only good for stereo headphones. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ignatius.kc ( talk • contribs) 16:18, 29 June 2007.
You're absolutely right, the Features section looks like an effing iPhone commercial. Unfortunatly I don't own one to state its weaknesses, bt I'm sure there are several. Slartibartfast ( 19 92) 21:37, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Every one of the weaknesses originally listed by Ignatius.kc are listed in the article. The lack of 3G, tethering, and an expansion slot are all listed in the section Absent features:
iPhone lacks a number of other handheld features that have not already been mentioned and are common in competing devices, including 3G support, voice dialing, voice recording, instant messaging, a memory card slot, MMS, tethering, A2DP, common Bluetooth file transfer (OBEX), GPS capability, copy and paste, native games, and support for MP3 files as ringtones. However, some of these features can be utilized by un-official means.
The lack of 3G—and the potential problems that causes—is also described in the section Web connectivity.
The non-replaceable battery is mentioned in the section Battery, including a description of complaints by a consumer rights group:
The Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights, a consumer advocate group, has sent a complaint to Apple and AT&T over the fee that consumers have to pay to get the battery replaced.[39] In addition, the scheme and pricing was not made known to buyers until after the product was launched.
The "questionable" status of the virtual keyboard is described in the subsection Touch screen, which is the first subsection of the Features section (and the fourth paragraph in the article):
The virtual keyboard has been considered its chief weakness and a risk for Apple. David Pogue of The New York Times and Walt Mossberg of The Wall Street Journal both...found learning to use it initially difficult, although eventually usable. Pogue stated use was "frustrating" and "text entry is not the iPhone’s strong suit" but Mossberg considered the keyboard a "nonissue." Both found that the typo-correcting feature of the iPhone was the key to using the virtual keyboard successfully.
The lack of third-party applications is described in the section Applications (though, admittedly, without an explanation of how this could be a problem):
...Apple Inc. announced that the iPhone will support third party "applications" via the Safari web browser that share the look and feel of the iPhone interface. The applications must be created in Ajax or JavaScript to maintain device security. The iPhone cannot officially install full programs from anyone but Apple, although Steve Jobs has hinted that future third party applications are in development. Enthusiasts have demonstrated the possibility of unauthorized native code...
The section Web connectivity states that " The iPhone does not support Flash or Java technology." Finally, the section Camera says: "The iPhone features a built in 2.0 megapixel camera located on the back for still digital photos, but not video recording."
All of the descriptions I mention above, except for one about the digital camera, were in the article as of July 28, when you (Lars Holm) posted the statement that "a lot of the ones suggested above have still not been added". At that time, the section on the camera described it as taking still digital pictures, but did not explicitly say it could not record video: "...built in 2.0 megapixel camera located on the back for still digital photos." In fact, all of Ignatius.kc's weaknesses, except for the lack of tethering, were listed on June 29, when Ignatius.kc posted his/her original comment.
Regarding your own suggestions, the lack of third-party applications, is, as I have pointed out, described in the article. So far as I can see, the other suggestions—about the lack of multitasking, ability to edit Microsoft Office or Adobe Acrobat documents, remote management, ability to change the settings on the camera—are not mentioned in the article. But if you think that they should be, why don't you add them to the article? — Mateo SA ( talk | contribs) 22:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
It is easy, really: find a reliable source that describe these weaknesses and you can summarize that source. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 22:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
The iphone cannot be multi-touch, this is impossible for a capacitance type touch screen. The zooming is done by detecting the capacitance change pattern of fingers moving apart. It it would be useless for identifying two seperate discrete button presses. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.145.34.220 ( talk • contribs) 22:13, 2007 August 7 (UTC).
Really stupid of me to ask this question ...but then .better late than never.. Is the IPhone screen LCD or a plasma? Yourdeadin 18:04, 9 August 2007 (UTC)Yourdeadin
3.5 ? What does this refer to ? centimeters ? That looks very small for a screen 195.68.44.148 11:54, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
There is much debate as to whether the iPhone is a smartphone. Since there is no mention that it is in the article and it's not included in the list of smartphones, I move that it be stricken from that category.—Preceding unsigned comment added by IanCavilia ( talk • contribs)
It doesn't miss smart phone features, it misses SIMPLE Cell phone features, since the dawn of the Cell phone you could forward your SMS and REINVENTED Phone by Apple, so Called iPhone you can't even delete a single sms (only conversation), can you give me 10 none-smart or smartphone beside iPhone that misses all these feature at same time and YET claiming to be REVOLUTIONARY or REINVENTED phone?
* Forwarding SMS! * Deleting a single SMS (Can only delete a whole conversation) * Sort SMS (Ascending/Descending) * User-changeable battery * copy and paste * MMS * A memory card slot * A2DP, common Bluetooth file transfer (OBEX) * voice dialing * Infrared * Single button hangup * Voice recording * Smart dialing * Video recording * Instant messaging * Tethering * GPS capability * Basic Spreadsheet software * Check duration of previous calls * Native games * E-book reading software (such as PDF). * Theme selection. * File browser * SMS to one than one person (CC or BCC) * Sync contacts over Bluetooth * Send/Receive e-Business cards * Arrow keys to move left/right/up/left (not even on-screen key)
Zirnevis 18:20, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
I have added the part about the new financial times reports of chosen European Service Providers, please feel free to edit as necessary as I am new at this!! :-)
Danfoster20 12:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I did, I changed it to report it not as fact, but as a report - none of the parties involved have confirmed the rumour as yet... Phooto 16:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
so, any reason why is the header image been replaced with a non-free image, when a free alternative not only exists, but was being used? – ɜɿøɾɪɹℲ ( тɐʟк • ¢ʘи†ʀ¡βs ) 16:15, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Basically the first all-software iPhone unlock is working: See: http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/24/iphone-unlocked-atandt-loses-iphone-exclusivity-august-24-2007
I think this is the first unlock that is working as a complete software-only unlock. Might be worth mentioning?
Cheers, Raayman 12:09, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Can someone please confirm the releases in South Africa and Brazil, as I have not heard of these? If not, would someone remove it? Thanks. Ğavin Ťing 17:41, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
The article surprisingly contains no information on the progs implementing organizer functionality, i.e. the adress book, iCal and Notes. Why? Thyl Engelhardt 213.70.217.172 09:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
http://live.gizmodo.com/ Also official: 4GB iPhone is now gone. Only thing left is the 8GB iPhone for $399.
But, Steve says they want to get even MORE aggressive. What does this mean? iPhone will be even MORE affordable, so they’re dropping the price of the 8GB model to $399. Two hundred dollar price drop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.226.68.113 ( talk) 18:17, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Is the reference to 'price skimming' really necessary? Surely this should only appear if some source has referred to the allegation? 24.168.114.30 20:16, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to phrase it, but I think there should be some mention of the iPod (and a link to it) in the article's lead. -- Steven Fisher 21:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm surprised that no mention is made of the 3rd party applications currently being developed for the iPhone and iPod Touch. See this list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt.stoker ( talk • contribs) 08:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
The current picture (Image:Iphone menu.jpg) features either a ColorWare-colored iPhone or an iPhone in a rubber 'skin'. I feel that an iPhone sitting in a dock, unmodified, would provide a better image for the article. 203.87.119.103 17:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
I can't find any evidence showing a Q1 Australian release. All I've found is Apple's 2008: Asia release intention. Could this be cited or fixed? (ie. to 2008) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mvjs ( talk • contribs) 11:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
The amateur photos of the iPhone are low quality and barely capture the iPhone's screen. -- 72.191.51.199 01:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
In the Global section where it says when europe and asia will get the iphone, the part that says when australia and canada get it, should be immediatly after the first sentence and not at the end. The paragraph would 'flow' better that way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.168.3.21 ( talk) 09:02, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
Under availability, can "South Africa - Q4 2007" be added?
Thanks Trinium 15:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
http://www.eetimes.eu/201805434 - will be interesting if true, I have been wondering how it would work in Europe, given the abscence of viable EDGE networks (or at least that the networks won't admit that they have them?) Phooto 15:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
There is now a Free, open-source software-only unlock. See this German news: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/95868 Files are available for download from the Dev Team, there are links to several tutorials available. However, since the procedure is a bit complicated for inexperienced users, they should not be linked from Wikipedia until there is a simple GUI solution. Anyway, it is worth mentioning in the article, since this is the first solution that probably many people will use (other solutions need hardware skills like the first unlock method or money like the comercially available one reported by Engadged). -- 84.178.106.10 10:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
hello there, i am curious about the 3gs's cpu spec, it says that the speed clock is 833 MHz underclocked to 600 MHz....
well, it's like the Palm Pre, same cpu...
the pre also can boost up to 800-1000 mhz if you want to push it, at the expense of the battery,
but doesn't mention it....humble?
palm pre wikipedia page is editable, like apple iphone is semi-protected...
i am little bit worried about these so-so facts from apple,
like the criticism area gone or so,
like there is an angel(dark?) who checks everything for the good image of the brand/products?
like people who had problems with their iphone, had to sign a clause of confidentiality....or be pursued...
is this normal?
where is the freedom, where is the truth?
to be continued... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.51.68 ( talk) 16:13, 10 November 2009 (UTC)