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I didn't want to put this in without references, but I work for Rogers in Canada, and we are to be the sole providers of the iPhone in Canada, with a tentative November release date (only info I got was Nov/07). No pricing details have been announced. If we do a news release I'll put it in, but until then I won't-- Lostcause365 18:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
It reads like a marketing brochure for the iPhone rather than an encyclopaedic entry. There is no criticism section, no competitor section, no background...
I have nothing against the iPhone and wish it every success. But this article has obviously been largely written by Apple employees or fans.
Come on people. You can do better than that. If you are blinded by affection, then at least try to encourage contributions from NPOV writers. Or even opponents. It would balance up the article. ( Ajkgordon 15:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC))
There's plenty of valid criticism one can make of the iPhone even before it is released. One major criticism I've seen in newspapers is that AT&T's EDGE network is considered the worst among all its rivals. Pricing and the two year contract are others I see often. -- C S (Talk) 16:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't they be included in the specifications, actually, shouldn't they be the no. 1 specification, how much radio frequency radiation our body is subjected to, and forced to absorb, with the various health issues involved? As an encyclopaedia we should make every effort to include such information. Ultimately who cares about battery times when the phone you are using might pose a high (or higher wrt others) health risk? VERY SERIOUS OMMISION. (I tried to find information on the web about it but it seems what with all the publicity around iphone the apple people (i wonder why...) are very hush hush about it, I only found pages refering to their getting a permission of their phone being in accordance with u.s. specifications on sar (which is kind of obvious since they are going public) but nowhere did I find a specific value...) Anyone here can help? 84.254.52.96 03:39, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks guys great work, I'll try to figure out anything I can from these links and post it here. Like I said, with mobile manufactures now being obliged to mention sar in their specifications, and with a plethora of studies on the effects of mobile phones (ranging from the small to the very damaging to the brain and body), sar specification should one way or another find its place in the iphone too. Besides if the encyclopaedias raison d'etre is education and public awareness health issues should prioritized. There's no better way to force the mobile phone manufactures to push these limits to their minimums and ensurer our safety than raising awareness and thus competition. 84.254.50.69 01:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Points well taken. I am not in the bussiness of advocating for or against anything and breaching wikipedia's policies, I just want the facts reported in a neutral point of view. And since the ipod is a few days from being launched and with all the media hype, the sar ratings should be part of making this article as complete as possible for all the thousands of people who will in the near future log in to wikipedia to be responsibly informed. I have still not had the time to extract the appropriate information from the links posted and I hope if I can't make it someone else will. 84.254.50.225 14:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok. I 've just added the SAR rating as mentioned on cnet.com. Someone please add the reference link properly because I don't know how to. 84.254.51.4 19:00, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
how many edits has this article got? The special page has been disable since last year! 124.168.8.164 11:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
After the announcement today, someone added a section just for youtube, I'm not sure that youtube deserves its own section, but there's nowhere else it fits in. Perhaps there should be an "applications" section. Hemidemisemiquaver 19:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Someone might want to mention this, as it's worth noting, in the article:
The iPhone will have a different return policy than the rest of AT&T's devices. A 14-day return period rather than a 30-day period, and customers will be charged a restocking fee equal to 50% the cost of the device upon return.
does anyone know when iPhone will be released in australia? Lillianspall 00:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
67.175.179.166 16:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)According to the Apple website the return policy is 14 days but the restocking fee is only 10% IF it is opened. If it's not opened, there is no restocking fee.
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16:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
AT&T Also wants to charge the $175 [5] early termination fee] if you want to cancel your contract but do not want to (or can not) return the phone.
Skitchthg 17:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I think we should add a section aboujt iphone hype and all these websites and media buzz about the iphone -- Zayani 07:47, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I live in US too, and there is plenty of hype in the major newspapers, e.g. NY Times [6]. It's actually pretty incredible the amount of hype over this phone. If a section were to be added on it, one would have to be very careful to keep it encyclopedic; for example, sourcing to only encyclopedic type sources (like good newspapers and periodicals). On the other hand, there's no need to rush to do so. Time will tell how much of the hype is justified...the phone hasn't even come out yet! -- C S (Talk) 16:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I definitely think there should be a section on hype/free publicity that apple has been getting for this device. Considering the limited amount of advertising they've done, the spotlight they've garnered is absurd. 60.209.83.163 11:43, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
A Hype section makes absolute sense. The phone's hype has been bigger than any 'gadget' I've seen in numerous years. I work in newspaper design and the number of iPhone teasers we've done has been a bit crazy.
Someone replaced the picture in the summary with one from the iPhone demo video. I think that the old picture illustrated how the device actually looks much better. The new one just looks like a rounded rectangle. Any other opinions? Hemidemisemiquaver 02:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Is Sidney Bailey (the person used in several of the iPhone demos, and on the current top picture in this article) a real person? Just curious... — Epastore 03:14, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
does anyone know what the song that's playing in the background of the calimari, safari, etc. ads? Was it custom music like the switch ads? Anyone have links to just the music?
It's called "Perfect Timing," by a band called Orba Squara. I'm adding it to the article. =David( talk)( contribs) 17:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I moved:
Anyone up for a push to get iPhone into featured candidate status in time for the launch on Friday? A quick review of the article looks ok, the two areas that seem to need work are criteria 1c (there are some unsourced statements that need to be cleaned up) and 1e (the article is still fluxing a little bit because of the upcoming release). Before anyone nominates it, I'd appreciate some of the really gifted FAC-folks going through it with a fine-tooth comb. Thoughts? - CHAIRBOY ( ☎) 03:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I think the Criticisms should be merged into a new receptions section that will talk about what the critics said about the iPhone, both good and bad. What do you all think? Mahanga Talk 16:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
The article would indeed be better with a reception section, the following links include pros and cons. But overall, the critics' responses were positive. - DMCer 20:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC) http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1639068,00.html http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/06/30/MNGSCQOVMV1.DTL&feed=rss.news http://solution.allthingsd.com/20070626/the-iphone-is-breakthrough-handheld-computer/ http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9026018&pageNumber=1 http://www.tech.co.uk/gadgets/phones/mobile-phones/features/iphone-making-the-pda-sexy-again?page=2&zoom=
http://www.apple.com/iphone/usingiphone/activation_small.html This video from apple states that, Apple iPhone could work with corporate email networks. I've marked a {{fact}} tag for that criticism. Someone, please find a suitable/reliable reference, quote it and remove the tag. Mugunth 05:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
What does it mean the phone is exclusive to AT&T Mobility? Is it that you can only call, email, or browse the internet with their wireless network, or you have to be a subcriber to them just purchase the phone at all, which would seem ridiculous. Rodrigue 18:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
-The articles sited as a reference in notes 33 and 86 don't say anything at all about a "pre-paid plan" for people who have bad credit-
Currently the article contains a subsection of the "controversy" section, titled "LG PRADA controversy". While I was rewriting it, I was having great difficulty finding sourcing. There were two quotes which turned out be from a writer's reporting rather than statements from LG. So I wanted to find the original statement from LG. Well, it turns out that except for a brief mention on the Telecoms Korea website, there hasn't been any more news on this. Sure some blogs and blog-type reporting exists, but none by mainstream media.
LG has remained quiet, and in fact, I've not been able to find a followup story on Telecoms Korea. It raises the suspicion that while certain groups of tech bloggers are making some noise about this, this is really not newsworthy. The next subsection is on the Cisco thing, which is certainly just a big contrast to the Prada thing, which I don't think many people even know about.
So my question is, where is the controversy? There was a buzz when some Apple-related, tech sources picked it up, but it seems to have died down. In the history of iPhone coverage thus far, it seems to be only a small blip. -- C S (Talk) 15:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Get ready everyone, to remove that "expected or future product" tag at the top of the article at 6:00 today!!! =) 69.108.94.164 15:56, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
The iPhone is activated online through iTunes. In which section should this info go? -- IanCavilia 21:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I just realized the article has been semiprotected for over three months. Considering the launch, I believe we should unprotect it. Sure, vandalism, but also good edits. Anyone against it? -- ReyBrujo 22:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Considering it's the iPhone, is this section really necessary? It should really be done all Apple pages. Who cares if some M$ fanboy has some gripes. 67.173.249.150 00:58, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
I paid $599 and it has been worth it to me. I absolutely love it.
I seriously hope the first poster was joking. Wikipedia is not here to market the iPhone, and as there are valid criticims, it would be biased. Also, MS fanboy? Me thinks if youre looking for a fanboy to whine about, you need look no further than the mirror. You might have seen that in your post, although I suppose your head is probably too far up your own ass to have read it.
Stating that EDGE is a 2G technology is incorrect. EDGE is classified as a 2.5G/2.75G technology. The true 2G data technology is GPRS.
It's classified as 2.75G and not 2.5G as the article states.. EDGE is way faster than gprs..
I don't mean to criticize the person that uploaded the current picture, but perhaps someone could upload a better one. Two problems with the current one: 1) glare near the top of the iPhone, which also reveals a smudge 2) "slide to unlock" is partially shadowed. -- C S (Talk) 09:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
I think there could be some copyright issues by putting a photo from the Apple website. The "Sidney" picture was taken before the iPhone release by somebody outside a display case. Unless some Wikipedia person who actually has an iPhone takes a picture of their iPhone, there could be "free licensing" issues as well. The iPhone displayed before release was there for everyone to see. 69.108.92.112 15:32, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Should be the correct title. I am happy with the disambiguation re:Linksys, but iPhone should redirect to "Apple iPhone" which is the brand name of the device.-- Cerejota 15:23, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of the fact that the iPhone cannot send MMS (multimedia messages)? I think the majority of people would be surprised to discover this as most if not all new phones have this capability and it is an important criticism of the phone. See this link for more info http://www.cnet.com.au/mobilephones/pdaphones/0,239036203,339279031,00.htm Danielcohen 04:14, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
The section on Applications says "At the WWDC 2007 Conference on June 11, 2007 Apple, Inc. announced that the iPhone will support third party applications via the Safari web browser." It's true that Apple said that, but I'd call it marketing spin. It would be more accurate, IMHO, to say that the iPhone does not support third party applications, but one can make a web site that behaves in some respects like an application and runs in Safari.-- Jwwalker 22:57, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree. I fixed that. =) Stealthkey 02:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Is the table containing the rate plans of the iPhone really necessary? Seems more like advertisement than encyclopedic. Amazingracer 16:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
This article should be updated to remove the reference to Microsoft Exchange. The article implies that the iPhone can connect to Microsoft Exchange as well as using IMAP4 and POP3. In fact, the only ways the iPhone can currently connect to Microsoft Exchange is though IMAP4 and POP3. The way the article is phrased, it give the impression that the iPhone can connect to Exchange servers the way most smartphones can (though Exchange ActiveSync). This is not the case and gives the false impression that this device can natively exchange messaging, calendaring and contacts data with Microsoft Exchange.
It may be time for another archive of the talk page, as it is getting pretty long, and hardly any of these discussions even deal with the article. I do not know how to archive a talk page, so maybe some one with a little know-how could perform the task? Cheers. Amazingracer 18:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Like in the PS3 article criticism is being treated as vandalism. Have some respect, please, this is an encyclopedia not an advertising website. Apple should have some respect and leave this encyclopedic article alone. 66.201.169.49
No criticism section, very interesting, how come there is such a large one for Nike Inc. and even iPod? Obviously the iPhone doesnt allow you to remove and replace the battery yourself, isnt that a fair-dinkum criticism? 203.214.98.123 08:24, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Reports from various sources say that the IPhone is being disassembled for various reasons, from wanting to find out whats on it to finding ways to hack it. Would a section on this be appropriate? Bladesofhalo 20:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
According to this article:
http://sikod.com/blog/2007/07/02/iphone-launch-mania/
The Ipod Nano2G reportedly has a similar processor; namely the S5L8701.
82.74.225.106 21:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
There is an excess of release day photos, which seems a symptom of over-exuberance. I will remove two of them, although I don't think we even need one. People should keep in mind that this is meant to be an encyclopedia article, and we need to keep proper perspective. Having these photos, with captions explaining how buyers are applauded, may seem relevant and important now, but a year down the line, it will appear dated and fanboy-ish. -- C S (Talk) 04:14, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be a little bit of a contradiction in two sections of the article:
From section "Pricing and Availability": The iPhone may be purchased with a two-year service plan with AT&T[30] or pre-paid month to month at a slightly higher rate.
From section "Dispute", subsection "Release": iPhone is only available for those who subscribe to a two-year AT&T service plan[26] unless they have poor credit, in which case they can use a pre-paid plan.
So which one is it? Is there an option that can be made freely, as the first sentence indicates, or is it only made available if one meets certain prerequisites (poor credit, which would need to be expanded upon, imho)?
Redux
20:46, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Should another page be created for information pertaining to developing web applications for the iPhone? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Michaelspivey ( talk • contribs).
I can't add it myself, because I'm a new user, but how about adding technical specifications to this entry. I have confirmed iPhone technical specifications on my site, and you're welcome to stick them in the wikipedia entry. See http://www.iphonedope.com/index.php/Tech_specs Skitchthg 17:35, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
This article is as bad as Al Gore's. Thislove fest needs to be tempered with opposing POV.
There needs to be a section of how these things are messing up wifi routers by spamming requests for addresses.
I see the discussion above about having a critism section or a controversy section, but what about a technical problems section such as the article for Xbox 360 has. Things such as [7] could be included. Fineric 20:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
The headphones included contain a microphone on the cord. They also contain a button that serves many purposes while using the phone's different modes. It should be pointed out the headphones included are different than the ones that are included with an iPod. Bombadier337 01:01, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Since so many people have the iPhone, wouldn't it be better to have a current photo of the iPhone (with the AT&T Service name rather than the Cingular service name)? -- GrayApple 23:17, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Why this article doesn't have a controversy section? There is a lot of controversy revolving iPhone: usage of single service, inferior battery management, load of publicity for apple, inferior memory space etc. A simple google search is enough! -- 18jahremädchen 11:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
The best articles tend not to have a criticism or controversy section, although sometimes there can be a good reason for it. It not only stifles good writing but ends up creating a kind of internal "POV fork", where one side edits one part of an article, while another edits the other part. I believe if you look at the Featured Article nominations, one of the usual things done is to remove these sections and merge them into the whole of the article.
One tendency with criticism sections, particularly ones that look like bullet lists, is that a lot of things end up in it that just is not important. The same goes with "trivia" sections. Why should a biography on some notable person have a "trivia" section? There really is no good reason, and the usual practice there too, is to try and merge it, if important, into the main body of the article.
The article reads a lot better as a whole, so thanks to Bobblehead for the cleanup. -- C S (Talk) 02:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
"That's all in Missing common handheld features" - Maybe it used to be, but no such section exists currently. — Red XIV ( talk) 11:47, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
certain missing features should be added that would be surprising or very distressing for certain common uses of the iphone: i believe these should easily verified by an owner of an iphone. with at least a $1800 obligation, this is a crucial topic for readers of the iphone, presumably not existing users. this is a much more an important topic on this topic than on almost all other entries because it is not obvious.
no video or flash on the camera - quite unusual in any phone.
no etching on the glass or tactile feedback on phone. not usable without looking at keyboard or by the blind.
i believe you lose ipod and web functionality if you no longer subscribe to the att plan, for example, if you need to replace the iphone with another type of phone for any reason with a phone on the same number (you'd have to pay an upgrade) can anyone verify whether your iphone is useless when your plan or the phone used on the plan ends. again, can you still listen to your music, video, and the web if you don't continue the plan?
since the iphone was launched in summer, this is not yet an issue. however, calls or other usage of the iphone is not possible without taking off your glove (like in winter) this is not always easy or quick, or even possible. i think this is a unique issue with the iphone and not expected.
the 2g network is reported to be very slow compared to expectation ... does att have the capacity to support millions of extra users? should users expect this to degrade significantly during their contract? (this topic may not have any source or be verifiable.)
there is no camera-less version. some large corporations will not let you carry these types of phones into their buildings.
no user or password storage for automatic login of web pages.
-- despite this list, the iphone is a beautiful device Radrad 06:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Changed "No stylus is needed, nor can an ordinary one be used, as the touch screen is sensitive to heat emitted by skin," to "Because the screen is a capacitive touch screen, no stylus is needed, nor can one be used," and added cite to How Stuff Works iPhone article. I could find nothing in the original Pogue article citation to support the statement that the screen was heat sensitive. Woodega 01:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Is there not a single Wikipedian with an iPhone and a camera who is willing to take a better photo of the device than the ones from MacWorld Expo? — Epastore 18:43, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Apple Computer has a five year agreement with AT&T, until then, they will be the sole cellular provider in the United States. Jaimysessanna 16:15, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I heard this from Paul Thurrott and Leo Laporte on the Windows Weekly podcast. Jaimysessanna 01:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Why is there a "See Also" link to the Neo1973? The way it is posted seems like an advertisement. I suggest it be deleted on the grounds that
I am now deleting it, but suspect it will pop up again, and think if it does, there should be discussion. 71.213.13.173 04:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
i dare say that someone originally mentioned it, but it was deleted by apple fans. The Neo1973 is a Direct Competitor using the Linux operating system. This is a notable phone in this discussion as it is very similar to the iphone, but open source, unlike the locked iphone. this link SHOULD be but back in. 86.128.227.189 11:31, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
The phone will be released on June 29th "in the U.S. at 6 p.m 'local time,' meaning that the Eastern Time Zone will have the iPhone three hours before the Pacific." Hey, I'm just as excited as everyone else, but isn't this detail taking it a bit too far? — Viriditas | Talk 12:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
http://blogs.chron.com/nickanderson/archives/and062107blog.jpg
Can someone please check to see if it's possible to send and recieve files (music, videos etc) using bluetooth? 90.224.152.178/HSB 2007-06-29
yes this would be a massive disadvantage for the consumer. However, i think that apple have purposefully not included this, as otherwise people would be sharing music and videos which would then sap money from itunes. I think this should be mentioned in the article. 86.128.227.189 11:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC) - Careful before slating Apple for this, don't forget most iTunes music is DRM protected at the moment - you may find it's a network restriction which may not be applied on other networks. Phooto 13:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC) and checking the manual, it's an AT&T specific manual, so may well be different on other networks. Phooto 13:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I just got an iPhone. (yay) Want me to take some pics of it and replace the main image with them?- Samnuva 04:11, 9 July 2007 (UTC) P.S.- I'll put this at the bottom of the list as soon as i have a responce, i just have found that it is rarely noticed if it is in the middle of bottom of a talk page as big as this
The caption under the editorial cartoon near the bottom of the article says "citation needed." The cartoon appears to be from Brian Duffy, who is the editorial cartoonist at the Des Moines Register: http://data.dmregister.com/duffy/details.php?id=2007-07-01
Dr. T. 14:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Since iPhone does not stream .pls MP3, why is Jossi reverting the posts with this clarification? Stick with the facts!
Libertyforall1776 18:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Should this article mention the cascade of news articles now talking about an iPhone nano? 132.205.44.5 21:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Hello advert section mention Apple's history with "Hello"? (like various Mac things) 132.205.44.5 21:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
http://telephonyonline.com/wireless/news/iphone_activation_synchronoss_070907/
this would seem to the appropriate article to mention "Synchronoss Technologies, the company responsible for coordinating the activation of those phones between the iTunes interface and AT&T’s back office system"
Mathiastck 23:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
In the article, under Other Platform Support, it says:
It is also worth noting that the iPhone is not compatible with any 64 bit version of Windows such as Windows XP x64 or any 64 bit edition of Windows Vista
I don't think that's a correct way of saying such a thing. Isn't it more decent to say something like:
Although Windows is a supported platform, the Apple didn't build in support for the 64-bit versions of Windows, like Windows XP x64 or any 64-bit edition of Windows Vista. —The preceding
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Shouldn't there be more about the iPhonEration? There's a vaste amount of current culture enveloped in this device. The merger of the iPod with cell and Internet.
Scone47 19:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)scone47
Three things wrong with this statement - not including a lack of references - which really says nothing but just adds more text to an already über-verbose article:
Fact is, we don't know, so why is there an "however" which attempts to undermine LGs overt claim? It isn't commentary, it's opinion and justifies the regular attacks on this article and many of its contributors - I'd delete it but I know it will be restored in 15 seconds and I'll get called a vandal. -- Delsource (talk) 13:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm kind of missing the NPOV here. Are you seriously telling me nobody has anything bad to say about this thing? That it really deserves all the hype it's gotten? Strange. ChrisStansfield 03:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Just a suggestion that the Australian release date is changed from 2008 to 2009 or 2008/2009, the recent news items in this country appearing due to the impending release in the US have revelase no Australian providers haven't even talked to Apple (It will probably be Telstra in the end though) and all the articles mentioned a pre 2009 release was unlikely.
I can't find a link at the moment to use as a source but other Aussies should be able to confirm this.
Three is extremely interested in the phone. We so far the most likely Australian provider to have the iPhone. Telstra has already said no. Optus is sharing a fair bit of interest but doesn't seem so happy on Apple's conditions on web usage pricing. 124.168.28.42 15:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I counted 10 instances of the word However. This is not an editorial, or an op-ed. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 03:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be nice if the donator of the current Public domain iPhone picture took another picture of the IPhone displaying not the wiki page, but the current iPhone Wikipedia page with his own picture of the iPhone in it, effectively creating the droste effect, and also making the wikipedia user instantly sure of what the IPhone was displaying. At the moment, the picture is clearly displaying a wikipedia page, but it is a bit bland, and not instantly recognizable. Creating a new version with the iPhone displaying the same website page the user is looking at would be very nice! P.S the effect would not be completely recursive, but that would not matter too much. Mahjongg 22:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to add something along the following lines but am struggling, would appreciate if someone could do the honours
"Reports that a uk service provider has been chosen have been seen on numerous websites, including ( http://uk.gizmodo.com/2007/07/06/o2_wins_iphone_uk_contract.html)
It has been said that Telefonica's O2 has won the deal, these reports are, however, unconfirmed as of 16th July 2007
Danfoster20 18:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
There are quite a lot of iPhone applications (websites really). There's a list over at http://wwww.iphonetweaks.net/applications/applications.php. Maybe this should be mentioned in the article? 18:33, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Rumors are included in the text and referenced as fact. Example, under 'Web connectivity', a referene is made to FINEEDGE. This is nothing but a rumor, but has been presented as, I quote, "This is probably due to the new "Fine EDGE" upgrades AT&T has been making to their network prior to the launch." should have started at the very least as "It has been rumored that ...", after all a mac rumor site has been referenced. Then I also want to bring up the danger, and ethic consequences of including rumors as this can mislead readers. What I really would like to see is a comparison between technologies, including theorethical and actually achieved numbers. Jdesmet 06:19, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I know Wikipedia is being used for advertising, but this is ridiculous. 83.77.220.39 12:06, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
I think references are a good thing. Most of them are just news articles and Apple talks anyways. =) 69.108.92.112 15:25, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Along the same lines, the links to other touchscreen phones certainly don't belong in “See Also”; this would be better served by inclusion in appropriate categories (as has already been done). — Cygfrydd Llewellyn 17:40, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I saw in the article it says Vista Basic isn't supported. Does anyone know why? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.24.114.27 ( talk • contribs).
This page needs to be archived due to its length, making some text obsolete and hard to navigate. Since I do not know how yet to archive, can another user do this immediately. T saston 16:23, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Wow ... i dont think i have ever read a better advertisement than this wikipedia article...you know this is an encyclopedia folks..not a catologue. Zendainc 17:47, 23 July 2007 (EST)
I've seen brief mentions that the iPhone can automatically download and install it's own patches but haven't found a reliable source. If true, I think that would be worthwhile to mention, particularly on the section entitled 'Exploits'. Anyone have any direct info on this? Ronnotel 20:40, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for removing the back door article about the spy phone, you must not let the americans in on this, good job you commy fools. I wonder, do you even care about your own rights? You are helping shape a great tomorrow and you will be judged because of it. I hope you have fun in hell bitches!!!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.26.119.123 ( talk • contribs)
According to a Russian hacker team called “web-hack,” Apple’s much heralded and overly hyped iPhone contains “a built-in function which sends all data from an iPhone to a specified web-server. Contacts from a phonebook, SMS, recent calls, history of Safari browser” can be hijacked, as the VS iPhone blog reports.
In a white paper, according to the blog, the Russians indicate a possible “debug feature or a built-in backdoor module for some governmental structures,” i.e., the National Security Agency, the lead governmental structure responsible for violating en masse the constitutional rights of Americans.
Of course, it helps that “Apple has chosen AT&T, the best and most popular carrier in the US with over 62 million subscribers, to be Apple’s exclusive carrier partner for iPhone in the United States,” as the AT&T website boasts. As we know, the telecom leviathan illegally collaborated with the NSA to break the law.
“AT&T violated the law, and the rights of its customers, by allowing and assisting with the illegal wiretapping and data-mining. The government’s spying program on ordinary Americans would not be possible without AT&T collaborating in violating your privacy,” explains an Electronic Frontier Foundation FAQ. “EFF alleges that under the NSA domestic spying program, major telecommunications companies—and AT&T specifically—gave the NSA direct access to their vast databases of communications records, including information about whom their customers have phoned or emailed with in the past. EFF alleges that AT&T, in addition to allowing the NSA direct access to the phone and Internet communications passing over its network, and gave the government unfettered access to its over 300 terabyte ‘Daytona’ database of caller information—one of the largest databases in the world.”
“The essential hardware elements of a (Total Information Awareness)-type spy program are being surreptitiously slipped into ‘real world’ telecommunications offices,” Wired News reported former AT&T technician Mark Klein as writing. According to Klein and a report published by the New York Times, the NSA-AT&T “Orwellian project… is vastly bigger” than previously figured “and was directly authorized by President Bush, as he himself has now admitted, in flagrant violation of specific statutes and constitutional protections for civil liberties.” In the meantime, Bush has signed a number of executive orders essentially granting himself the power of a Roman Magister Populi, a dictatorial master over the commoners.
Considering all of this, it makes perfect sense for the Apple iPhone to double as an NSA iSnoop device.
“Last year, it was discovered that AT&T has been secretly spying on Americans for the government,” notes Adam Frucci for the Gizmodo blog. “Maybe it still is. Then, just recently, it announced that it planned to spy on Internet surfers yet again, looking for pirated media files, presumably to the delight of the RIAA and MPAA. If you don’t want to get spied on and want to switch ISPs, guess what? Depending on where you live, you might not have any other options. And if AT&T snoops on all data passing through its network, most US Internet users will be affected, not just AT&T customers. It runs a significant amount of the backbone infrastructure of the Internet, leaving little traffic outside its grasp.”
But never mind. Apple’s iPhone is so cool and trendy a lot of buyers and potential buyers will shrug off the fact the device is—if the Russian hackers who reverse engineered the gadget are correct—a custom-made snoop device that routes your personal data right to an NSA Cray super computer.
I didn't post this directly to the article because it is missing a criticisms or problems section and any attempt to add one has been repeatedly shot down by supporters of the Iphone. Reports have been surfacing of people unhappy with Iphone screens with serial numbers starting with "7" which can be determined by entering the phone into "Field Mode" (which is accessed by typing: *3001#12345#*). Users have begun complaining on the Apple forums and elsewhere. I don't own an Iphone nor will I because its not my thing but I've watched this article and thought this might be a necessary add. Here are sources to back this up:
http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/4675 http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1043463&tstart=0 http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=328862 http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9027978&intsrc=hm_list http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=711
Oh and uhh....*puts on extra flame retardant suit*...flame away :) -- Wootonius 16:00, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Apple recently released new software (avaliable through iTunes) that fixed bugs and problems with the iPhone. So now the software on my iPhone is 1.0.1.
That was a rumor, (at least for now) and there was also a rumored iPhone shuffle. Which defeats the purpose, because one of the iPhone's main features is the touch screen, and an iPhone shuffle would have no screen..
MacNN has obtained disassembly photos of Apple's iPhone in an effort to better learn about the manufacturing process that Apple engineers settled on for the cellular handset. The photos were provided by iFixIt, which sells parts for most Apple products. MacNN obtained an iPhone just after the device launched earlier today, and has posted photos of the device as it was unpacked from the original packaging and turned on to await activation.
http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/06/29/first.iphone.disassembly/
In my opinion the information about iPhone on Wikipedia should be significantly increased. Meaning several of the sections of this article should be separate articles - e.g. one article dealing with the "history of iPhone" / "development of iPhone", another with "why we should all buy iphone" a third with "Is Steve Jobs messiah and iphone the new bible?" and so forth. The article as it stands is very good, but I miss separate artcles that goes more in detail on the issues, particularly about the history and development of the device.
With an average of 50-100 million hits for the word "iPhone" on Google for the past 5-6 months, such an expansion is certainly justified. Particularly in light of the many much longer articles found on wikipedia dealing with much less known or even partially irrelevant issues.
At news.google.com, "iphone" has currently about 20.000 hits, compared to about 30.000 for "George Bush", 15.000 for "Iraq war" and 14.000 for "Hurricane Katrina", and more than for the 2008 presidential election. - These are just some random examples, but the Wikipedia entries for all the mentioned keywords are certainly much much larger than that of the iPhone, and are divided into many separate articles, so why isn't this the case for the iPhone?
Also, the iPhone's broad coverage on the various news-media suggests that the phenomena is not just associated with the world wide web, but in the society as a whole. (And also on a global scale, e.g. Asia and Europe.)
So based on this, the information about the iPhone on the Wikipedia should, in my opinion, ideally be increased 10-fold...
Jakobat 09:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I think the objections by people are coming from sentiment such that spelled out in Wikipedia: The world will not end tomorrow. Sure the iPhone may be the biggest technological development since the original Macintosh (I doubt it is, but let's assume for the purpose of argument). But we should wait until it is clear that it is, not only so we don't jump the gun, but so we will have more reliable sources and publications to use in creating an article. For example, with the Macintosh, it's not at all hard finding info on its revolutionary features and its history.
Certainly the hype is that it is the Next Big Thing, with Jobs apparently considering the phone the greatest thing since the Macintosh. According to a recent New York Times article, Asian cell phone manufacturers, who have been rather blase, after having seen the iPhone, are now rather concerned and moving fast to produce their iPhone clones. They seem to believe the iPhone and Apple's way of doing things will revolutionize the mobile handset industry. At this point, however, a lot of this is just speculation. We certainly don't need to take the extreme step of spinning off several articles. I know there isn't enough material to create high quality articles anyway. The number of Google hits is really irrelevant to these concerns. -- C S (Talk) 00:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
It has been documented elsewhere that there are Pre-Pay plans for the Apple iPhone.
http://www.tuaw.com/2007/07/01/prepaid-iphone-in-a-nutshell/
It should be changed that the iPhone is not only available with a 2 year contract. —The preceding
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I have an iPhone, and do have pictures of it, but, I'm not sure of how to post images to articles. I'd be happy to post them if someone told me how to. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Avocados ( talk • contribs) 20:52, 2007 11 July (UTC).
In the page, mention is made of the headphone jack being recessed such that many standard headphone will not fit. It should be noted that simple modifications may be made to standard headphones that will permit their usage with iphone. Proper sourcing may be found at: http://iphone.macworld.com/2007/07/minor_surgery_enables_bose_hea.php
I've done it myself, and didn't need to spend money on an adapter to avoid wearing the painful apple headphone.
I don't have edit capabilities on the main page, so if someone could add this, that would be great.
The 270,000 iPhones sold is a misleading number. This figure released by Apple includes Apple and third party iPhone accessories and the article should note this. 67.169.34.85
The section on sales was edited but it is still not accurate. Apple Insider's news item is not accurate and should not be used as a source. Apple's own quarterly report is available here and it clearly states that iPhone sales were NOT 270,000 units.
The footnote on the Q3 2007 results states (6) Consists of iPhones and Apple-branded and third-party iPhone accessories 67.169.34.85
Mixed in with Apple's Financial Results, Apple announced that they sold 270,000 iPhones in the first 30 hours of iPhone sales.
The number was included with their financial results product breakdown and vaguely listed as 270,000 "iPhones and Related Products and Services".
Despite this wording, during the conference call, Peter Oppenheimer clearly states that Apple sold 270,000 iPhones in the first 30 hours of sales.
[11] Paul C/ T + 23:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
In response to an analyst’s question, Apple noted that the 270,000 iPhones “sold” figure also included iPhones in transit to AT&T stores during the initial 30-hour launch window
Both sources are primary sources and the wording does contradict each other, but since most of the media is quoting from one of these primary sources, we might as well follow that too. It should be watched, though, if anything other information were to develop in the future. Roguegeek ( talk) 00:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that the information regarding the two vulnerabilities I found (added, by the way, by someone else) has since been removed - is there any reason for this? There's still a number of people who appear to be posting traces of their Yahoo connections, apparently with live account details. I honestly think this is important information that should be noted, and I'm mildly concerned that someone has removed it believing that either it's not true (it is, feel free to verify) or through a misplaced sense of duty toward Apple or Yahoo. Details can be found at http://blog.dave.cridland.net/ 217.155.137.61 20:35, 22 July 2007 (UTC) Ah, gotcha, verifiability, and it's self-published. Would it help that the user who posted it is the editor of the RFC on SASL, and that it's been picked up by Ferris Research http://blog.ferris.com/2007/07/iphone-imap-vul.html and Tech.co.uk http://www.tech.co.uk/gadgets/phones/mobile-phones/news/anyone-can-access-your-yahoo-mail-on-iphone?articleid=1644128097 ? 217.155.137.61 21:11, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
what is the source for the september07 release date for south africa Nicoli nicolivich 14:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Should the article say something about the fact that a Hello World program can be run on the iPhone? just wondering... http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2007/07/iphack-becomes-.html Ben.yarmis 23:34, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't we start listing some iphone wifi hotspots directories? I did a google search there are a few listings that appear when you type in "iphone wifi hotspots" (without the quotes) Daabomb
Some people might wonder why I have stated in the touch screen section that the IPhone can be used with gloves, but that special "electrically conductive" gloves must be used to operate the IPhone. The fact is that really the only reason that the IPhone cannot be operated with gloves on (if you ignore that wearing normal gloves will make your fingers thicker) is the fact that they are normally made from an electrically insulating material, and this prevents the capacitive touch screen from detecting an electrically conductive object, namely your finger, placed on the touch screen. However, when the glove -does- conduct electricity, there is really no reason why the touch screen would not work. I do not doubt that, looking at the many accessories there are now for the IPod, if there really is a need for gloves with which you can still use the IPhone some entrepreneur will create them. Mahjongg 13:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
There are two products with the name iPhone - one is released by Linksys, and the other by Apple. The entry for the former is under "Linksys iPhone" while the Apple one is simply under "iPhone". Perhaps for the sake of consistency, this entry should be called "Apple iPhone", with "iPhone" being a disambiguation page. Djedi 01:02, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Can someone put the story on the kid unlocking the iPhone under the controversy section. I would, but I am not a techie. Story is here. Miranda 22:12, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Added some about the kid who broke the link between apple and AT&T. He probably deserves his own page....someone else can do that though.. :) Snotrockets13 23:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
{{editsemiprotected}} There is only a minor mention of the original iPhone activation process. The original 2.5G has a revolutionary activation process that allowed users to buy the phone cold and then activate it from the comfort of their homes via itunes. This preventing having to wait in the store to activate and also made acquiring the device and "gifting" is significantly simpler for the purchaser and receiver. Apple also had AT&T create new "small/medium/larger" voice and data plans nationally for the device to simplify activation via itunes. I would like to add this information to the article. Pat.doran —Preceding undated comment added 17:00, 6 December 2009 (UTC).
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I didn't want to put this in without references, but I work for Rogers in Canada, and we are to be the sole providers of the iPhone in Canada, with a tentative November release date (only info I got was Nov/07). No pricing details have been announced. If we do a news release I'll put it in, but until then I won't-- Lostcause365 18:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
It reads like a marketing brochure for the iPhone rather than an encyclopaedic entry. There is no criticism section, no competitor section, no background...
I have nothing against the iPhone and wish it every success. But this article has obviously been largely written by Apple employees or fans.
Come on people. You can do better than that. If you are blinded by affection, then at least try to encourage contributions from NPOV writers. Or even opponents. It would balance up the article. ( Ajkgordon 15:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC))
There's plenty of valid criticism one can make of the iPhone even before it is released. One major criticism I've seen in newspapers is that AT&T's EDGE network is considered the worst among all its rivals. Pricing and the two year contract are others I see often. -- C S (Talk) 16:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't they be included in the specifications, actually, shouldn't they be the no. 1 specification, how much radio frequency radiation our body is subjected to, and forced to absorb, with the various health issues involved? As an encyclopaedia we should make every effort to include such information. Ultimately who cares about battery times when the phone you are using might pose a high (or higher wrt others) health risk? VERY SERIOUS OMMISION. (I tried to find information on the web about it but it seems what with all the publicity around iphone the apple people (i wonder why...) are very hush hush about it, I only found pages refering to their getting a permission of their phone being in accordance with u.s. specifications on sar (which is kind of obvious since they are going public) but nowhere did I find a specific value...) Anyone here can help? 84.254.52.96 03:39, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks guys great work, I'll try to figure out anything I can from these links and post it here. Like I said, with mobile manufactures now being obliged to mention sar in their specifications, and with a plethora of studies on the effects of mobile phones (ranging from the small to the very damaging to the brain and body), sar specification should one way or another find its place in the iphone too. Besides if the encyclopaedias raison d'etre is education and public awareness health issues should prioritized. There's no better way to force the mobile phone manufactures to push these limits to their minimums and ensurer our safety than raising awareness and thus competition. 84.254.50.69 01:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Points well taken. I am not in the bussiness of advocating for or against anything and breaching wikipedia's policies, I just want the facts reported in a neutral point of view. And since the ipod is a few days from being launched and with all the media hype, the sar ratings should be part of making this article as complete as possible for all the thousands of people who will in the near future log in to wikipedia to be responsibly informed. I have still not had the time to extract the appropriate information from the links posted and I hope if I can't make it someone else will. 84.254.50.225 14:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok. I 've just added the SAR rating as mentioned on cnet.com. Someone please add the reference link properly because I don't know how to. 84.254.51.4 19:00, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
how many edits has this article got? The special page has been disable since last year! 124.168.8.164 11:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
After the announcement today, someone added a section just for youtube, I'm not sure that youtube deserves its own section, but there's nowhere else it fits in. Perhaps there should be an "applications" section. Hemidemisemiquaver 19:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Someone might want to mention this, as it's worth noting, in the article:
The iPhone will have a different return policy than the rest of AT&T's devices. A 14-day return period rather than a 30-day period, and customers will be charged a restocking fee equal to 50% the cost of the device upon return.
does anyone know when iPhone will be released in australia? Lillianspall 00:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
67.175.179.166 16:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)According to the Apple website the return policy is 14 days but the restocking fee is only 10% IF it is opened. If it's not opened, there is no restocking fee.
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AT&T Also wants to charge the $175 [5] early termination fee] if you want to cancel your contract but do not want to (or can not) return the phone.
Skitchthg 17:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I think we should add a section aboujt iphone hype and all these websites and media buzz about the iphone -- Zayani 07:47, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I live in US too, and there is plenty of hype in the major newspapers, e.g. NY Times [6]. It's actually pretty incredible the amount of hype over this phone. If a section were to be added on it, one would have to be very careful to keep it encyclopedic; for example, sourcing to only encyclopedic type sources (like good newspapers and periodicals). On the other hand, there's no need to rush to do so. Time will tell how much of the hype is justified...the phone hasn't even come out yet! -- C S (Talk) 16:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I definitely think there should be a section on hype/free publicity that apple has been getting for this device. Considering the limited amount of advertising they've done, the spotlight they've garnered is absurd. 60.209.83.163 11:43, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
A Hype section makes absolute sense. The phone's hype has been bigger than any 'gadget' I've seen in numerous years. I work in newspaper design and the number of iPhone teasers we've done has been a bit crazy.
Someone replaced the picture in the summary with one from the iPhone demo video. I think that the old picture illustrated how the device actually looks much better. The new one just looks like a rounded rectangle. Any other opinions? Hemidemisemiquaver 02:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Is Sidney Bailey (the person used in several of the iPhone demos, and on the current top picture in this article) a real person? Just curious... — Epastore 03:14, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
does anyone know what the song that's playing in the background of the calimari, safari, etc. ads? Was it custom music like the switch ads? Anyone have links to just the music?
It's called "Perfect Timing," by a band called Orba Squara. I'm adding it to the article. =David( talk)( contribs) 17:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I moved:
Anyone up for a push to get iPhone into featured candidate status in time for the launch on Friday? A quick review of the article looks ok, the two areas that seem to need work are criteria 1c (there are some unsourced statements that need to be cleaned up) and 1e (the article is still fluxing a little bit because of the upcoming release). Before anyone nominates it, I'd appreciate some of the really gifted FAC-folks going through it with a fine-tooth comb. Thoughts? - CHAIRBOY ( ☎) 03:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I think the Criticisms should be merged into a new receptions section that will talk about what the critics said about the iPhone, both good and bad. What do you all think? Mahanga Talk 16:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
The article would indeed be better with a reception section, the following links include pros and cons. But overall, the critics' responses were positive. - DMCer 20:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC) http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1639068,00.html http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/06/30/MNGSCQOVMV1.DTL&feed=rss.news http://solution.allthingsd.com/20070626/the-iphone-is-breakthrough-handheld-computer/ http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9026018&pageNumber=1 http://www.tech.co.uk/gadgets/phones/mobile-phones/features/iphone-making-the-pda-sexy-again?page=2&zoom=
http://www.apple.com/iphone/usingiphone/activation_small.html This video from apple states that, Apple iPhone could work with corporate email networks. I've marked a {{fact}} tag for that criticism. Someone, please find a suitable/reliable reference, quote it and remove the tag. Mugunth 05:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
What does it mean the phone is exclusive to AT&T Mobility? Is it that you can only call, email, or browse the internet with their wireless network, or you have to be a subcriber to them just purchase the phone at all, which would seem ridiculous. Rodrigue 18:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
-The articles sited as a reference in notes 33 and 86 don't say anything at all about a "pre-paid plan" for people who have bad credit-
Currently the article contains a subsection of the "controversy" section, titled "LG PRADA controversy". While I was rewriting it, I was having great difficulty finding sourcing. There were two quotes which turned out be from a writer's reporting rather than statements from LG. So I wanted to find the original statement from LG. Well, it turns out that except for a brief mention on the Telecoms Korea website, there hasn't been any more news on this. Sure some blogs and blog-type reporting exists, but none by mainstream media.
LG has remained quiet, and in fact, I've not been able to find a followup story on Telecoms Korea. It raises the suspicion that while certain groups of tech bloggers are making some noise about this, this is really not newsworthy. The next subsection is on the Cisco thing, which is certainly just a big contrast to the Prada thing, which I don't think many people even know about.
So my question is, where is the controversy? There was a buzz when some Apple-related, tech sources picked it up, but it seems to have died down. In the history of iPhone coverage thus far, it seems to be only a small blip. -- C S (Talk) 15:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Get ready everyone, to remove that "expected or future product" tag at the top of the article at 6:00 today!!! =) 69.108.94.164 15:56, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
The iPhone is activated online through iTunes. In which section should this info go? -- IanCavilia 21:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I just realized the article has been semiprotected for over three months. Considering the launch, I believe we should unprotect it. Sure, vandalism, but also good edits. Anyone against it? -- ReyBrujo 22:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Considering it's the iPhone, is this section really necessary? It should really be done all Apple pages. Who cares if some M$ fanboy has some gripes. 67.173.249.150 00:58, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
I paid $599 and it has been worth it to me. I absolutely love it.
I seriously hope the first poster was joking. Wikipedia is not here to market the iPhone, and as there are valid criticims, it would be biased. Also, MS fanboy? Me thinks if youre looking for a fanboy to whine about, you need look no further than the mirror. You might have seen that in your post, although I suppose your head is probably too far up your own ass to have read it.
Stating that EDGE is a 2G technology is incorrect. EDGE is classified as a 2.5G/2.75G technology. The true 2G data technology is GPRS.
It's classified as 2.75G and not 2.5G as the article states.. EDGE is way faster than gprs..
I don't mean to criticize the person that uploaded the current picture, but perhaps someone could upload a better one. Two problems with the current one: 1) glare near the top of the iPhone, which also reveals a smudge 2) "slide to unlock" is partially shadowed. -- C S (Talk) 09:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
I think there could be some copyright issues by putting a photo from the Apple website. The "Sidney" picture was taken before the iPhone release by somebody outside a display case. Unless some Wikipedia person who actually has an iPhone takes a picture of their iPhone, there could be "free licensing" issues as well. The iPhone displayed before release was there for everyone to see. 69.108.92.112 15:32, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Should be the correct title. I am happy with the disambiguation re:Linksys, but iPhone should redirect to "Apple iPhone" which is the brand name of the device.-- Cerejota 15:23, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of the fact that the iPhone cannot send MMS (multimedia messages)? I think the majority of people would be surprised to discover this as most if not all new phones have this capability and it is an important criticism of the phone. See this link for more info http://www.cnet.com.au/mobilephones/pdaphones/0,239036203,339279031,00.htm Danielcohen 04:14, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
The section on Applications says "At the WWDC 2007 Conference on June 11, 2007 Apple, Inc. announced that the iPhone will support third party applications via the Safari web browser." It's true that Apple said that, but I'd call it marketing spin. It would be more accurate, IMHO, to say that the iPhone does not support third party applications, but one can make a web site that behaves in some respects like an application and runs in Safari.-- Jwwalker 22:57, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree. I fixed that. =) Stealthkey 02:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Is the table containing the rate plans of the iPhone really necessary? Seems more like advertisement than encyclopedic. Amazingracer 16:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
This article should be updated to remove the reference to Microsoft Exchange. The article implies that the iPhone can connect to Microsoft Exchange as well as using IMAP4 and POP3. In fact, the only ways the iPhone can currently connect to Microsoft Exchange is though IMAP4 and POP3. The way the article is phrased, it give the impression that the iPhone can connect to Exchange servers the way most smartphones can (though Exchange ActiveSync). This is not the case and gives the false impression that this device can natively exchange messaging, calendaring and contacts data with Microsoft Exchange.
It may be time for another archive of the talk page, as it is getting pretty long, and hardly any of these discussions even deal with the article. I do not know how to archive a talk page, so maybe some one with a little know-how could perform the task? Cheers. Amazingracer 18:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Like in the PS3 article criticism is being treated as vandalism. Have some respect, please, this is an encyclopedia not an advertising website. Apple should have some respect and leave this encyclopedic article alone. 66.201.169.49
No criticism section, very interesting, how come there is such a large one for Nike Inc. and even iPod? Obviously the iPhone doesnt allow you to remove and replace the battery yourself, isnt that a fair-dinkum criticism? 203.214.98.123 08:24, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Reports from various sources say that the IPhone is being disassembled for various reasons, from wanting to find out whats on it to finding ways to hack it. Would a section on this be appropriate? Bladesofhalo 20:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
According to this article:
http://sikod.com/blog/2007/07/02/iphone-launch-mania/
The Ipod Nano2G reportedly has a similar processor; namely the S5L8701.
82.74.225.106 21:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
There is an excess of release day photos, which seems a symptom of over-exuberance. I will remove two of them, although I don't think we even need one. People should keep in mind that this is meant to be an encyclopedia article, and we need to keep proper perspective. Having these photos, with captions explaining how buyers are applauded, may seem relevant and important now, but a year down the line, it will appear dated and fanboy-ish. -- C S (Talk) 04:14, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be a little bit of a contradiction in two sections of the article:
From section "Pricing and Availability": The iPhone may be purchased with a two-year service plan with AT&T[30] or pre-paid month to month at a slightly higher rate.
From section "Dispute", subsection "Release": iPhone is only available for those who subscribe to a two-year AT&T service plan[26] unless they have poor credit, in which case they can use a pre-paid plan.
So which one is it? Is there an option that can be made freely, as the first sentence indicates, or is it only made available if one meets certain prerequisites (poor credit, which would need to be expanded upon, imho)?
Redux
20:46, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Should another page be created for information pertaining to developing web applications for the iPhone? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Michaelspivey ( talk • contribs).
I can't add it myself, because I'm a new user, but how about adding technical specifications to this entry. I have confirmed iPhone technical specifications on my site, and you're welcome to stick them in the wikipedia entry. See http://www.iphonedope.com/index.php/Tech_specs Skitchthg 17:35, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
This article is as bad as Al Gore's. Thislove fest needs to be tempered with opposing POV.
There needs to be a section of how these things are messing up wifi routers by spamming requests for addresses.
I see the discussion above about having a critism section or a controversy section, but what about a technical problems section such as the article for Xbox 360 has. Things such as [7] could be included. Fineric 20:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
The headphones included contain a microphone on the cord. They also contain a button that serves many purposes while using the phone's different modes. It should be pointed out the headphones included are different than the ones that are included with an iPod. Bombadier337 01:01, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Since so many people have the iPhone, wouldn't it be better to have a current photo of the iPhone (with the AT&T Service name rather than the Cingular service name)? -- GrayApple 23:17, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Why this article doesn't have a controversy section? There is a lot of controversy revolving iPhone: usage of single service, inferior battery management, load of publicity for apple, inferior memory space etc. A simple google search is enough! -- 18jahremädchen 11:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
The best articles tend not to have a criticism or controversy section, although sometimes there can be a good reason for it. It not only stifles good writing but ends up creating a kind of internal "POV fork", where one side edits one part of an article, while another edits the other part. I believe if you look at the Featured Article nominations, one of the usual things done is to remove these sections and merge them into the whole of the article.
One tendency with criticism sections, particularly ones that look like bullet lists, is that a lot of things end up in it that just is not important. The same goes with "trivia" sections. Why should a biography on some notable person have a "trivia" section? There really is no good reason, and the usual practice there too, is to try and merge it, if important, into the main body of the article.
The article reads a lot better as a whole, so thanks to Bobblehead for the cleanup. -- C S (Talk) 02:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
"That's all in Missing common handheld features" - Maybe it used to be, but no such section exists currently. — Red XIV ( talk) 11:47, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
certain missing features should be added that would be surprising or very distressing for certain common uses of the iphone: i believe these should easily verified by an owner of an iphone. with at least a $1800 obligation, this is a crucial topic for readers of the iphone, presumably not existing users. this is a much more an important topic on this topic than on almost all other entries because it is not obvious.
no video or flash on the camera - quite unusual in any phone.
no etching on the glass or tactile feedback on phone. not usable without looking at keyboard or by the blind.
i believe you lose ipod and web functionality if you no longer subscribe to the att plan, for example, if you need to replace the iphone with another type of phone for any reason with a phone on the same number (you'd have to pay an upgrade) can anyone verify whether your iphone is useless when your plan or the phone used on the plan ends. again, can you still listen to your music, video, and the web if you don't continue the plan?
since the iphone was launched in summer, this is not yet an issue. however, calls or other usage of the iphone is not possible without taking off your glove (like in winter) this is not always easy or quick, or even possible. i think this is a unique issue with the iphone and not expected.
the 2g network is reported to be very slow compared to expectation ... does att have the capacity to support millions of extra users? should users expect this to degrade significantly during their contract? (this topic may not have any source or be verifiable.)
there is no camera-less version. some large corporations will not let you carry these types of phones into their buildings.
no user or password storage for automatic login of web pages.
-- despite this list, the iphone is a beautiful device Radrad 06:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Changed "No stylus is needed, nor can an ordinary one be used, as the touch screen is sensitive to heat emitted by skin," to "Because the screen is a capacitive touch screen, no stylus is needed, nor can one be used," and added cite to How Stuff Works iPhone article. I could find nothing in the original Pogue article citation to support the statement that the screen was heat sensitive. Woodega 01:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Is there not a single Wikipedian with an iPhone and a camera who is willing to take a better photo of the device than the ones from MacWorld Expo? — Epastore 18:43, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Apple Computer has a five year agreement with AT&T, until then, they will be the sole cellular provider in the United States. Jaimysessanna 16:15, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I heard this from Paul Thurrott and Leo Laporte on the Windows Weekly podcast. Jaimysessanna 01:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Why is there a "See Also" link to the Neo1973? The way it is posted seems like an advertisement. I suggest it be deleted on the grounds that
I am now deleting it, but suspect it will pop up again, and think if it does, there should be discussion. 71.213.13.173 04:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
i dare say that someone originally mentioned it, but it was deleted by apple fans. The Neo1973 is a Direct Competitor using the Linux operating system. This is a notable phone in this discussion as it is very similar to the iphone, but open source, unlike the locked iphone. this link SHOULD be but back in. 86.128.227.189 11:31, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
The phone will be released on June 29th "in the U.S. at 6 p.m 'local time,' meaning that the Eastern Time Zone will have the iPhone three hours before the Pacific." Hey, I'm just as excited as everyone else, but isn't this detail taking it a bit too far? — Viriditas | Talk 12:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
http://blogs.chron.com/nickanderson/archives/and062107blog.jpg
Can someone please check to see if it's possible to send and recieve files (music, videos etc) using bluetooth? 90.224.152.178/HSB 2007-06-29
yes this would be a massive disadvantage for the consumer. However, i think that apple have purposefully not included this, as otherwise people would be sharing music and videos which would then sap money from itunes. I think this should be mentioned in the article. 86.128.227.189 11:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC) - Careful before slating Apple for this, don't forget most iTunes music is DRM protected at the moment - you may find it's a network restriction which may not be applied on other networks. Phooto 13:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC) and checking the manual, it's an AT&T specific manual, so may well be different on other networks. Phooto 13:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I just got an iPhone. (yay) Want me to take some pics of it and replace the main image with them?- Samnuva 04:11, 9 July 2007 (UTC) P.S.- I'll put this at the bottom of the list as soon as i have a responce, i just have found that it is rarely noticed if it is in the middle of bottom of a talk page as big as this
The caption under the editorial cartoon near the bottom of the article says "citation needed." The cartoon appears to be from Brian Duffy, who is the editorial cartoonist at the Des Moines Register: http://data.dmregister.com/duffy/details.php?id=2007-07-01
Dr. T. 14:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Since iPhone does not stream .pls MP3, why is Jossi reverting the posts with this clarification? Stick with the facts!
Libertyforall1776 18:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Should this article mention the cascade of news articles now talking about an iPhone nano? 132.205.44.5 21:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Hello advert section mention Apple's history with "Hello"? (like various Mac things) 132.205.44.5 21:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
http://telephonyonline.com/wireless/news/iphone_activation_synchronoss_070907/
this would seem to the appropriate article to mention "Synchronoss Technologies, the company responsible for coordinating the activation of those phones between the iTunes interface and AT&T’s back office system"
Mathiastck 23:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
In the article, under Other Platform Support, it says:
It is also worth noting that the iPhone is not compatible with any 64 bit version of Windows such as Windows XP x64 or any 64 bit edition of Windows Vista
I don't think that's a correct way of saying such a thing. Isn't it more decent to say something like:
Although Windows is a supported platform, the Apple didn't build in support for the 64-bit versions of Windows, like Windows XP x64 or any 64-bit edition of Windows Vista. —The preceding
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Shouldn't there be more about the iPhonEration? There's a vaste amount of current culture enveloped in this device. The merger of the iPod with cell and Internet.
Scone47 19:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)scone47
Three things wrong with this statement - not including a lack of references - which really says nothing but just adds more text to an already über-verbose article:
Fact is, we don't know, so why is there an "however" which attempts to undermine LGs overt claim? It isn't commentary, it's opinion and justifies the regular attacks on this article and many of its contributors - I'd delete it but I know it will be restored in 15 seconds and I'll get called a vandal. -- Delsource (talk) 13:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm kind of missing the NPOV here. Are you seriously telling me nobody has anything bad to say about this thing? That it really deserves all the hype it's gotten? Strange. ChrisStansfield 03:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Just a suggestion that the Australian release date is changed from 2008 to 2009 or 2008/2009, the recent news items in this country appearing due to the impending release in the US have revelase no Australian providers haven't even talked to Apple (It will probably be Telstra in the end though) and all the articles mentioned a pre 2009 release was unlikely.
I can't find a link at the moment to use as a source but other Aussies should be able to confirm this.
Three is extremely interested in the phone. We so far the most likely Australian provider to have the iPhone. Telstra has already said no. Optus is sharing a fair bit of interest but doesn't seem so happy on Apple's conditions on web usage pricing. 124.168.28.42 15:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I counted 10 instances of the word However. This is not an editorial, or an op-ed. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 03:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be nice if the donator of the current Public domain iPhone picture took another picture of the IPhone displaying not the wiki page, but the current iPhone Wikipedia page with his own picture of the iPhone in it, effectively creating the droste effect, and also making the wikipedia user instantly sure of what the IPhone was displaying. At the moment, the picture is clearly displaying a wikipedia page, but it is a bit bland, and not instantly recognizable. Creating a new version with the iPhone displaying the same website page the user is looking at would be very nice! P.S the effect would not be completely recursive, but that would not matter too much. Mahjongg 22:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to add something along the following lines but am struggling, would appreciate if someone could do the honours
"Reports that a uk service provider has been chosen have been seen on numerous websites, including ( http://uk.gizmodo.com/2007/07/06/o2_wins_iphone_uk_contract.html)
It has been said that Telefonica's O2 has won the deal, these reports are, however, unconfirmed as of 16th July 2007
Danfoster20 18:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
There are quite a lot of iPhone applications (websites really). There's a list over at http://wwww.iphonetweaks.net/applications/applications.php. Maybe this should be mentioned in the article? 18:33, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Rumors are included in the text and referenced as fact. Example, under 'Web connectivity', a referene is made to FINEEDGE. This is nothing but a rumor, but has been presented as, I quote, "This is probably due to the new "Fine EDGE" upgrades AT&T has been making to their network prior to the launch." should have started at the very least as "It has been rumored that ...", after all a mac rumor site has been referenced. Then I also want to bring up the danger, and ethic consequences of including rumors as this can mislead readers. What I really would like to see is a comparison between technologies, including theorethical and actually achieved numbers. Jdesmet 06:19, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I know Wikipedia is being used for advertising, but this is ridiculous. 83.77.220.39 12:06, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
I think references are a good thing. Most of them are just news articles and Apple talks anyways. =) 69.108.92.112 15:25, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Along the same lines, the links to other touchscreen phones certainly don't belong in “See Also”; this would be better served by inclusion in appropriate categories (as has already been done). — Cygfrydd Llewellyn 17:40, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I saw in the article it says Vista Basic isn't supported. Does anyone know why? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.24.114.27 ( talk • contribs).
This page needs to be archived due to its length, making some text obsolete and hard to navigate. Since I do not know how yet to archive, can another user do this immediately. T saston 16:23, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Wow ... i dont think i have ever read a better advertisement than this wikipedia article...you know this is an encyclopedia folks..not a catologue. Zendainc 17:47, 23 July 2007 (EST)
I've seen brief mentions that the iPhone can automatically download and install it's own patches but haven't found a reliable source. If true, I think that would be worthwhile to mention, particularly on the section entitled 'Exploits'. Anyone have any direct info on this? Ronnotel 20:40, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for removing the back door article about the spy phone, you must not let the americans in on this, good job you commy fools. I wonder, do you even care about your own rights? You are helping shape a great tomorrow and you will be judged because of it. I hope you have fun in hell bitches!!!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.26.119.123 ( talk • contribs)
According to a Russian hacker team called “web-hack,” Apple’s much heralded and overly hyped iPhone contains “a built-in function which sends all data from an iPhone to a specified web-server. Contacts from a phonebook, SMS, recent calls, history of Safari browser” can be hijacked, as the VS iPhone blog reports.
In a white paper, according to the blog, the Russians indicate a possible “debug feature or a built-in backdoor module for some governmental structures,” i.e., the National Security Agency, the lead governmental structure responsible for violating en masse the constitutional rights of Americans.
Of course, it helps that “Apple has chosen AT&T, the best and most popular carrier in the US with over 62 million subscribers, to be Apple’s exclusive carrier partner for iPhone in the United States,” as the AT&T website boasts. As we know, the telecom leviathan illegally collaborated with the NSA to break the law.
“AT&T violated the law, and the rights of its customers, by allowing and assisting with the illegal wiretapping and data-mining. The government’s spying program on ordinary Americans would not be possible without AT&T collaborating in violating your privacy,” explains an Electronic Frontier Foundation FAQ. “EFF alleges that under the NSA domestic spying program, major telecommunications companies—and AT&T specifically—gave the NSA direct access to their vast databases of communications records, including information about whom their customers have phoned or emailed with in the past. EFF alleges that AT&T, in addition to allowing the NSA direct access to the phone and Internet communications passing over its network, and gave the government unfettered access to its over 300 terabyte ‘Daytona’ database of caller information—one of the largest databases in the world.”
“The essential hardware elements of a (Total Information Awareness)-type spy program are being surreptitiously slipped into ‘real world’ telecommunications offices,” Wired News reported former AT&T technician Mark Klein as writing. According to Klein and a report published by the New York Times, the NSA-AT&T “Orwellian project… is vastly bigger” than previously figured “and was directly authorized by President Bush, as he himself has now admitted, in flagrant violation of specific statutes and constitutional protections for civil liberties.” In the meantime, Bush has signed a number of executive orders essentially granting himself the power of a Roman Magister Populi, a dictatorial master over the commoners.
Considering all of this, it makes perfect sense for the Apple iPhone to double as an NSA iSnoop device.
“Last year, it was discovered that AT&T has been secretly spying on Americans for the government,” notes Adam Frucci for the Gizmodo blog. “Maybe it still is. Then, just recently, it announced that it planned to spy on Internet surfers yet again, looking for pirated media files, presumably to the delight of the RIAA and MPAA. If you don’t want to get spied on and want to switch ISPs, guess what? Depending on where you live, you might not have any other options. And if AT&T snoops on all data passing through its network, most US Internet users will be affected, not just AT&T customers. It runs a significant amount of the backbone infrastructure of the Internet, leaving little traffic outside its grasp.”
But never mind. Apple’s iPhone is so cool and trendy a lot of buyers and potential buyers will shrug off the fact the device is—if the Russian hackers who reverse engineered the gadget are correct—a custom-made snoop device that routes your personal data right to an NSA Cray super computer.
I didn't post this directly to the article because it is missing a criticisms or problems section and any attempt to add one has been repeatedly shot down by supporters of the Iphone. Reports have been surfacing of people unhappy with Iphone screens with serial numbers starting with "7" which can be determined by entering the phone into "Field Mode" (which is accessed by typing: *3001#12345#*). Users have begun complaining on the Apple forums and elsewhere. I don't own an Iphone nor will I because its not my thing but I've watched this article and thought this might be a necessary add. Here are sources to back this up:
http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/4675 http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1043463&tstart=0 http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=328862 http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9027978&intsrc=hm_list http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=711
Oh and uhh....*puts on extra flame retardant suit*...flame away :) -- Wootonius 16:00, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Apple recently released new software (avaliable through iTunes) that fixed bugs and problems with the iPhone. So now the software on my iPhone is 1.0.1.
That was a rumor, (at least for now) and there was also a rumored iPhone shuffle. Which defeats the purpose, because one of the iPhone's main features is the touch screen, and an iPhone shuffle would have no screen..
MacNN has obtained disassembly photos of Apple's iPhone in an effort to better learn about the manufacturing process that Apple engineers settled on for the cellular handset. The photos were provided by iFixIt, which sells parts for most Apple products. MacNN obtained an iPhone just after the device launched earlier today, and has posted photos of the device as it was unpacked from the original packaging and turned on to await activation.
http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/06/29/first.iphone.disassembly/
In my opinion the information about iPhone on Wikipedia should be significantly increased. Meaning several of the sections of this article should be separate articles - e.g. one article dealing with the "history of iPhone" / "development of iPhone", another with "why we should all buy iphone" a third with "Is Steve Jobs messiah and iphone the new bible?" and so forth. The article as it stands is very good, but I miss separate artcles that goes more in detail on the issues, particularly about the history and development of the device.
With an average of 50-100 million hits for the word "iPhone" on Google for the past 5-6 months, such an expansion is certainly justified. Particularly in light of the many much longer articles found on wikipedia dealing with much less known or even partially irrelevant issues.
At news.google.com, "iphone" has currently about 20.000 hits, compared to about 30.000 for "George Bush", 15.000 for "Iraq war" and 14.000 for "Hurricane Katrina", and more than for the 2008 presidential election. - These are just some random examples, but the Wikipedia entries for all the mentioned keywords are certainly much much larger than that of the iPhone, and are divided into many separate articles, so why isn't this the case for the iPhone?
Also, the iPhone's broad coverage on the various news-media suggests that the phenomena is not just associated with the world wide web, but in the society as a whole. (And also on a global scale, e.g. Asia and Europe.)
So based on this, the information about the iPhone on the Wikipedia should, in my opinion, ideally be increased 10-fold...
Jakobat 09:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I think the objections by people are coming from sentiment such that spelled out in Wikipedia: The world will not end tomorrow. Sure the iPhone may be the biggest technological development since the original Macintosh (I doubt it is, but let's assume for the purpose of argument). But we should wait until it is clear that it is, not only so we don't jump the gun, but so we will have more reliable sources and publications to use in creating an article. For example, with the Macintosh, it's not at all hard finding info on its revolutionary features and its history.
Certainly the hype is that it is the Next Big Thing, with Jobs apparently considering the phone the greatest thing since the Macintosh. According to a recent New York Times article, Asian cell phone manufacturers, who have been rather blase, after having seen the iPhone, are now rather concerned and moving fast to produce their iPhone clones. They seem to believe the iPhone and Apple's way of doing things will revolutionize the mobile handset industry. At this point, however, a lot of this is just speculation. We certainly don't need to take the extreme step of spinning off several articles. I know there isn't enough material to create high quality articles anyway. The number of Google hits is really irrelevant to these concerns. -- C S (Talk) 00:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
It has been documented elsewhere that there are Pre-Pay plans for the Apple iPhone.
http://www.tuaw.com/2007/07/01/prepaid-iphone-in-a-nutshell/
It should be changed that the iPhone is not only available with a 2 year contract. —The preceding
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I have an iPhone, and do have pictures of it, but, I'm not sure of how to post images to articles. I'd be happy to post them if someone told me how to. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Avocados ( talk • contribs) 20:52, 2007 11 July (UTC).
In the page, mention is made of the headphone jack being recessed such that many standard headphone will not fit. It should be noted that simple modifications may be made to standard headphones that will permit their usage with iphone. Proper sourcing may be found at: http://iphone.macworld.com/2007/07/minor_surgery_enables_bose_hea.php
I've done it myself, and didn't need to spend money on an adapter to avoid wearing the painful apple headphone.
I don't have edit capabilities on the main page, so if someone could add this, that would be great.
The 270,000 iPhones sold is a misleading number. This figure released by Apple includes Apple and third party iPhone accessories and the article should note this. 67.169.34.85
The section on sales was edited but it is still not accurate. Apple Insider's news item is not accurate and should not be used as a source. Apple's own quarterly report is available here and it clearly states that iPhone sales were NOT 270,000 units.
The footnote on the Q3 2007 results states (6) Consists of iPhones and Apple-branded and third-party iPhone accessories 67.169.34.85
Mixed in with Apple's Financial Results, Apple announced that they sold 270,000 iPhones in the first 30 hours of iPhone sales.
The number was included with their financial results product breakdown and vaguely listed as 270,000 "iPhones and Related Products and Services".
Despite this wording, during the conference call, Peter Oppenheimer clearly states that Apple sold 270,000 iPhones in the first 30 hours of sales.
[11] Paul C/ T + 23:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
In response to an analyst’s question, Apple noted that the 270,000 iPhones “sold” figure also included iPhones in transit to AT&T stores during the initial 30-hour launch window
Both sources are primary sources and the wording does contradict each other, but since most of the media is quoting from one of these primary sources, we might as well follow that too. It should be watched, though, if anything other information were to develop in the future. Roguegeek ( talk) 00:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that the information regarding the two vulnerabilities I found (added, by the way, by someone else) has since been removed - is there any reason for this? There's still a number of people who appear to be posting traces of their Yahoo connections, apparently with live account details. I honestly think this is important information that should be noted, and I'm mildly concerned that someone has removed it believing that either it's not true (it is, feel free to verify) or through a misplaced sense of duty toward Apple or Yahoo. Details can be found at http://blog.dave.cridland.net/ 217.155.137.61 20:35, 22 July 2007 (UTC) Ah, gotcha, verifiability, and it's self-published. Would it help that the user who posted it is the editor of the RFC on SASL, and that it's been picked up by Ferris Research http://blog.ferris.com/2007/07/iphone-imap-vul.html and Tech.co.uk http://www.tech.co.uk/gadgets/phones/mobile-phones/news/anyone-can-access-your-yahoo-mail-on-iphone?articleid=1644128097 ? 217.155.137.61 21:11, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
what is the source for the september07 release date for south africa Nicoli nicolivich 14:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Should the article say something about the fact that a Hello World program can be run on the iPhone? just wondering... http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2007/07/iphack-becomes-.html Ben.yarmis 23:34, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't we start listing some iphone wifi hotspots directories? I did a google search there are a few listings that appear when you type in "iphone wifi hotspots" (without the quotes) Daabomb
Some people might wonder why I have stated in the touch screen section that the IPhone can be used with gloves, but that special "electrically conductive" gloves must be used to operate the IPhone. The fact is that really the only reason that the IPhone cannot be operated with gloves on (if you ignore that wearing normal gloves will make your fingers thicker) is the fact that they are normally made from an electrically insulating material, and this prevents the capacitive touch screen from detecting an electrically conductive object, namely your finger, placed on the touch screen. However, when the glove -does- conduct electricity, there is really no reason why the touch screen would not work. I do not doubt that, looking at the many accessories there are now for the IPod, if there really is a need for gloves with which you can still use the IPhone some entrepreneur will create them. Mahjongg 13:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
There are two products with the name iPhone - one is released by Linksys, and the other by Apple. The entry for the former is under "Linksys iPhone" while the Apple one is simply under "iPhone". Perhaps for the sake of consistency, this entry should be called "Apple iPhone", with "iPhone" being a disambiguation page. Djedi 01:02, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Can someone put the story on the kid unlocking the iPhone under the controversy section. I would, but I am not a techie. Story is here. Miranda 22:12, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Added some about the kid who broke the link between apple and AT&T. He probably deserves his own page....someone else can do that though.. :) Snotrockets13 23:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
{{editsemiprotected}} There is only a minor mention of the original iPhone activation process. The original 2.5G has a revolutionary activation process that allowed users to buy the phone cold and then activate it from the comfort of their homes via itunes. This preventing having to wait in the store to activate and also made acquiring the device and "gifting" is significantly simpler for the purchaser and receiver. Apple also had AT&T create new "small/medium/larger" voice and data plans nationally for the device to simplify activation via itunes. I would like to add this information to the article. Pat.doran —Preceding undated comment added 17:00, 6 December 2009 (UTC).