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Move the Linksys phone back NOW. Apple cannot call their cell phone the iPhone because Cisco has the trademark. EricJosepi 18:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
They're working out a deal with Cisco (owns Linksys), as per this Marketwatch article [1]. Obviously Apple would know better. So trademark shouldn't be a concern, Eric. CapYoda 19:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd say put this at Apple iPhone, like we do when two different companies make products with the same name. Night Gyr ( talk/ Oy) 23:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
wow, the apple fanboys are rabid here... regardless of what most people will think, the iPhone has been trademarked since 1996... it's cisco's product and the title of iPhone should lead to disambiguous AT THE LEAST with an iPhone(apple) and iPhone(linksys) :P
The term 'iPhone' should be a disambiguation and people should be free to select whether they mean to navigate to the "real" iPhone from Linksys, or what Apple is hoping they will be able to call their cell phone. Apple fanboys really are rabid. To muck up the Wikipedia by claiming a clearly disputed (and documented copyrighted) product name as an Apple product is inappropriate.
It doesn't matter what people are looking for, the Cisco iPhone came first. Apple should change the name.
Agreed! It is *not* reasonable to assume the public is searching *only* for an apple product. It would be more reasonable and unbiased to provide links to both ipod (Linksys) and ipod (Apple). whointhe 17:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
This is so wrong. iPhone belongs to Linksys, not Apple. Those who reason that most people are searching for iPhone Apple and hence this is fine to default iPhone to the Apple product are wrong. Does "Apple" default to Apple the company or Apple the fruit? Guys, this is wikipedia, not Macworld blog. Stop the fanboyism now. 12.47.208.50 16:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I came across this page actually looking for the Linksys phone but for some very odd reson i was directed to the apple phone, surely i should have been redirected to a disambiguous page. The Linksys phone is named iphone (Linksys) so why isnt the apple titled iphone (Apple) it just seems to me Wiki is becomeing Apple orientated, they copy and others inovate, so why should they have the first rights to Wiki? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.41.19.93 ( talk • contribs) 11:34, 11 January 2007.
Again, WP:NAME. Havok (T/ C/ e/ c) 08:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe it may be correct that at this moment in time, more people will be looking for Apple's iPhone. However, that has at least a little to do with short-term buzz less than a week after the product's launch, but that doesn't mean that it will remain this way for the forseeable future. (Cisco could launch a Linksys iPhone marketing campaign and raise just as much interest.) A more timeless method would be to redirect iPhone to redirect to the disambiguation page. I implore the involved persons to remove their biases and look at this in a reasonable fashion. No matter what the result of the lawsuit, this is not the best use of Wikipedia. If Apple wins this legal struggle or settles, there will still be more than one iPhone out there, and if Apple does not win it, then the page will need to be renamed to the new product's name anyways. 209.181.233.233 19:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
The term "i-" practically belongs to Apple. ipod. imac. So many products of theirs either have an apple or an i before it. Cisco is just sueing because they can. Stealthkey 14:16 13 January 2007
Yet again. If there is any debate. We should defer to a an unbiased viewpoint. Links to both Apple's product and Linksys' product should be provided. -- Whointhe 21:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Wiki is about what is right and correct and not what is more "popular". The legitimate owner of the iPhone trademark in the US is Cisco. No question (USPTO). This is where the device was pre-announced. The fair way to solve this until resolved is to have the iPhone article be an article describing the litigation and in the header, obvious two links one to an article about the LinkSys iPhone and another one to the Apple "iPhone". 75.208.12.15
Err, Excuse me, I don't really do much Wikipedia editing unless I note a spelling error or something really small. But perhaps it would be of interest to take a look at this ( * US Trademark Office Search Results for "iPhone" ) if you are going to argue that Cisco holds the Trademark, and therefore should be placed in the almighty iPhone location, perhaps you should note that Cisco isn't the only one. That link I added in the article was already removed, for a valid reason I guess. I agree that the Apple iPhone should stay, on the "iPhone" page. Update: The search expired, I searched for it here using the "New User Form (Basic)" search with the Keyword iPhone. -SL
I'm all for Stealthkey: the "i-Something" has been used by Apple since it introduced the iMac in 1998. The general public, being comprised mostly by Windows users, might not know other products for the OS X (Mac users's been familiar with) like the iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, iWeb, iTunes, iPod and now the iPhone. One cannot imagine a move to register an "i-Product" being not an opportunism (or a possible opportunity) to sue Apple. Paulomatsui 19:50 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Infogear's original filing for the trademark dates to March 20, 1996 - before Apple started their iMac/iPod line. Cisco aquired Infogear years ago. Linksys, a division of Cisco, has been shipping a new family of iPhone products since early 2006. While I agree that many people may be searching for the illegally named Apple Iphone, there are also many that may be searching for the Linksys Iphone. Being a fan of Apple does not give you the right to put in print what you deem as more "Apple friendly". Someone please do the right/unbiased thing and include links to both Apple's iphone and Linksys' iphone. Give people a choice on their own. Don't make the choice for them. Including a small, easily overlooked link to Linksys does not give it the same needed attention as the large picture of the Apple product, multiple links to Apple, and use of the Apple logo. -- Whointhe 12:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I case someone sane reads this, I suppose it's most appropriate to redirect IPhone to "controversy about the iphone trademark" article for now and not have it redirected to apple, nor linksys. Kirils 00:31, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Honestly it should be moved to a disambiguous page as people are searching for the Linksys iphone (Such as myself) and I don't think that apple should be the first thing we see. Hell, if I was searching for the Linksys iphone and came across this, I probably would have thought I got the company wrong and settle for Apple. And please, don't flame like a Apple fanboy. Cdscottie 17:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Ignoring the fanboy comment, I find it incredibly likely, and i think its been said before, that people are searching for Apple's iPhone the Cisco's thing. By law anyways, they should've proved that they have an actual product called iPhone, not a box with iPhone stamped across it. They should've lost it anyways( http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/experts_cisco_lost_rights_to_iphone_trademark_last_year/) , and there could be a third company in a position to take the trademark all themselves. I say let it play itself, wiki doesn't care about the legallity of a name; only info about the product in question. - The Walkin Dude 18:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for insulting me with that Fanboy comment. I was just looking for the Cisco iPhone as my area just received VOIP coverage and I have come accustomed to using Cisco products for my networking needs. I was researching the advantages of VOIP and at the same time I felt like researching a phone for it. The reason why I feel that a disambiguous page be used is to be fair to people searching for each type of phone. I mean really, is it that big a deal that it doesn't automatically come to this page? Cdscottie 12:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
To those that assume that the only reason the iPhone is here is due to Apple fanboys, this is not the case. It makes more sense for the Apple's iPhone to have the iPhone because due to the years of hype over the formerly non existent product, and the media coverage, it is fairly safe to assume that the majority will indeed be looking for Apple's product. It is the same reason that Apple is located at Apple Inc. instead of Apple, due to not everyone caring about the legal department or the tech world, it is safe to assume more people would be looking up the fruit instead, or Adobe is located at Adobe Systems when people usually just call it Adobe, but more people would likely be looking up the Mud Bricks. Redirecting it to a contriversy makes no sense, and neither does a disambiguation with 2 items. People will search for the Linksys iPhone as well, and for those people, there is a handy link at the top of the iPhone page. Sebastianlewis 03:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
That "handy link" is a lame attempt to placate the Cisco/Linksys fan-base. Meanwhile, the Apple fan-base seems to have currently "won out" by locking the contents of the homepage itself and hoping that instead the Cisco/Linksys fan-base vent their frustrations here. :( Way to bait and switch Apple fans. It was mentioned earlier that Wikipedia does not care who owns what. Wikipedia is a collective consciousness that serves to educate, *not* market. The assumption that a search for iPhone indicates that people wish to learn more about Apple's product is wrong. If people want to learn more about the Apple product let them go to the Apple website. The iPhone links should educate people about with what the word itself is associated not advertise one product over another. Don't merely acknowledge a competitor that is legitmately lawful in fine print and hope they go away. Wikipedia cares about laws! Take a look at the blurb below that says "Content that violates any copyright will be deleted." -- Whointhe 16:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
It would be better to call this page Apple iPhone. Iphone page should give information about the name disputes and offer links to Apple iPhone and Cisco Iphone. Capitalization (iPhone vs. Iphone) doesn't make difference with URLs. 209.121.69.85 16:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I see that Roguegeek moved and redirected the iPhone article to Apple iPhone, saying [5] "redirected to proper naming". How is "Apple iPhone" more proper than "iPhone"? Other Apple products, like the iPod, MacBook, and AirPort, aren't so-named, and I think iPhone is more compliant with WP:NAME, which says, "Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize". schi talk 19:54, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
There, it's back to iPhone again. Havok (T/ C/ e/ c) 20:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
When one types in iphone without a capital P, the redirect goes to the Cisco iPhone. As this article is named iPhone and the Cisco version is named iPhone (Linksys), shouldn't the redirect for iphone without the capital P be to this page, as it is correctly titled? I don't know if it should be changed. Thanks, Tcpekin 04:43, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Personally I Think It Should Be Called iMobile? :D Sorry I Dunno How To Sign :( 09:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC) 121.6.108.126
it's operation system was never called "Mac OS X" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.178.142.237 ( talk • contribs).
I removed the citation stating that iPhones run the full version of Mac OS X, since it was a Newsweek opinion piece and did not make any attempt to justify its claim. The author of that piece seems to have just been confused. — Epastore 04:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
It's not Mac OS X strictly speaking it's "iPhone OS X" since iPhones don't fall in the computer category. But I agree with Henriok, it's one and the same, maybe missing a few features found in Mac OS X, and with a different GUI, but still the same OS. Sfacets 15:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Please refer the longer discussion here: Talk:OS_X. Thanks. — Epastore 18:23, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Before it was annnouced the iphone was one of those apple rumors that wouldnt go away esp the last 4 months i think the history and big thing we all know it was on the internet deserves its own section in the "iPhone Article" - QACJared
Good job editors! I'll look on the Apple site for the pic that is 'squashed' here and see if I can do something. I think I'm gonna have to break my Sprint contract for this baby! Hoooo-Yeah! - Fairness And Accuracy For All 08:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Will this phone have a vibrate feature? gujamin 14:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I doubt it would... it would cause havoc to the sensors otherwise...
Sfacets
22:45, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
In Jobs' speech he specifically said there was a button to set the phone on vibrate. So.... I'm guessing there's a vibrate feature. 66.68.5.236 01:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I thought Steve said it was a Ring/Silent switch, a-la Treo. I've been reading all over and have not seen any mention that it has or doesn't have a vibrate feature. mgahs 04:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree. Where in the keynote did he say "vibrate"? Do you have a timecode for it? gujamin 14:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Anyone know what type of CPU it uses or what speed? Is it the Intel XScale at 624 MHz? -- 70.48.68.147 20:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Can everyone who is a representative of Cisco, PLEASE leave Wikipedia to unbiased editors. 171.71.37.171 is one, and I'm sure the others are so as well. Believe it or not Wikipedia is very much capable of policing itself. Also, what you are doing will only make getting consensus harder. Please have a look at WP:NAME and you will see why this article is reserved for Apple's iPhone. Thank you. Havok (T/ C/ e/ c) 20:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I beleive that when Havoc mentioned that "Wikipedia is very much capable of policing itself" he/she was referring to the wiki community, and not to him/herself. There are grounds for being banned from Wikipdia, and being disruptive after being warned for whatever reason is one of them. Sfacets 06:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
The trademark for "iPhone" has been registered since 1997, and is currently owned by Cisco. This article should be renamed iPhone (Apple) and the article currently at iPhone (Linksys) needs to be put here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.127.122.7 ( talk) 21:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC).
All reputable sources out there, call this device the iPhone. Let's leave it at that. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
An editor had removed the Smartphone category from the article, claiming that the iPhone wasn't one. I reverted. However, his argument is that "A smartphone must be able to run native applications that can be loaded or unloaded from the device." Anyone agree? The article smartphone does claim that "A key feature of a smartphone is that additional native applications can be installed on the device" - but I question that (arbitrary?) requirement since no citation is provided. Just thought I'd toss it out to this crowd to see what the opinions are. -- ZimZalaBim ( talk) 23:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
75.209.74.41 20:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC) The Wiki article is very clear. It is one of the main differentiation between SmartPhones and "high end feature phones". Third party applications. It is a deliberate choice on Apple's part for good or bad. But it is a choice for now.
Since the classification is disputed, I've reworded the introduction to avoid any controversy, and moved the claims to an independent (stub) section. IMHO the iPhone 'does' run third party applications, it has a fully capable web browser. The apps will be sandboxed, but I don't see how that runs against the definition of Smartphone. Diego 19:51, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
As the trademark section grows in length, I'm wondering if we should split it into its own article, say, iPhone trademark dispute. -- ZimZalaBim ( talk) 02:23, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
The plot thickens: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=236 - Perhaps a trademark dispute page is warranted now, this has certainly taken some bizarre twists and turns. - CHAIRBOY ( ☎) 23:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
What about these 2 products? http://www.telephonemagic.com/teledex-voip-hotel-iphone.htm and http://www.amazon.com/iPhone-Skype-Ready-Phone-Black/dp/B000I0U5HU? Will Cisco sue them too? Shouldn't Cisco sue them first since they are already selling products with the same name. Ikenn 11:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
All reports that I have heard either confirm there is no voice control on the iPhone or that there is no evidence to suggest it. I suggest removing this information under specifications Scottydude 02:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
An interesting reading. -- ReyBrujo 03:16, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Here is a simple view on the Apple iPhone that looks reasonable: The Smartphone and Camera Phone Blog One thing that stands out to many is that Apple needs to get a third party application developer program going asap. Else the iPhone is likely to become irrelevant. 75.208.12.15 13:16, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
It may be unfair to say that the lack of developer support is a shortcoming. Nobody knows. What is known is that it is a strategic decision. 75.209.23.23 13:35, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually I don't agree, we should probably keep it. Doesn't look like spam to me. Neither put up by Apple PR or Microsoft PR! There is no advertizing and no promotion and pretty insightful comments on that blog. I just read it. It seems constructive and helpful to the talk about the article. In particular they discuss the accelerometer, the developer program and the impact on the indstry. There is really no downside to have the link there. No commercial content at all, in fact no hyperlinks. Just a flat file. 75.208.145.38 12:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Spam doesn't have to be commercial, or directly commercial. If this guy is promoting his blog (which he is) he's getting something in return for posting something irrelevant on this page. Anyway the point is that the blog has no useful information on it. Darkov 22:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
That looks like anti-Apple. Not neutral for sure. Today's post says that "eve the iphone will go the way of the Newton..... it iwll generate a lot of innovation"... That's not nice! So question to everyone: There is controversy with the iPhone, understantement... But the article reads like a spec sheet except for the name litigation, which really has nothing to do with the iPhone. In the interest of encyclopedic completeness, should we create a section that is relevant. Maybe something like "Industry positioning and reaction"? HuskyMoon 01:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Apple's defence is that they are the first to use the name in a mobile phone. The lawyer for Cisco will simply point out that Apple has spent the last six years threatening to sue any company anywhere in the world who try to incorporate the term "pod" into their products - even when said products are not portable music players (or in some cases even consumer electronics). (Never mind the fact that before the iPod came along there were already many products - including electronic and music-related - that used the name (as any guitarist, for example, will happily tell you).)
Bully-boy tactics: what goes around, comes around, Jobs. 86.17.247.135 17:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok, so both these things happened, now what is your point? Companies do these things all the time. They don't have feelings - they're companies. Much more interesting is this which has verifiable facts.
Why are the suppliers of parts for this item noteworthy for encyclopedic mention? Neither iMac, PlayStation Portable nor Xbox, for example, mention their suppliers. Methinks this should be dumped. -- ZimZalaBim ( talk) 22:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Because we are an encyclopedia and our mission is to build an article that has "all there is to know about the iPhone", knowing the part suppliers is most helpful. If it is missing in the other articles we should add it there, not substract it. In fact it would be great to have pictures of the inside of the iPhone with call lines telling us, the kids, and the world where the parts are. It would be great to make this standard for any device. Wiki would be more complete for it and less like an advertising spec sheet for makers of such devices. What do you all think? HuskyMoon 03:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
That is exactly what I am saying and we agree 100%: The article right now is the Apple fact sheet. That just a collection of facts. if we now start writing about the insides etc... of the iPhone we will start writing about how the iPhone works, what makes it work etc... Those aren't facts. That's in-depth analysis. That is in the spirit of the great Encyclopedie. Something to be proud of and that will be appreciated by all readers as this information is not easy to come by. An Apple fact sheet is about everythwere and nobody nees Wiki for that. That's pure PR/Advertising.— Preceding unsigned comment added by HuskyMoon ( talk • contribs)
We are encyclopedists carrying the spirit of Diderot and Dalembert. That's why we congragate and work together at Wiki. Not having a description of part suppliers, how they relate to each other etc.. would be like have the article on gravitation just say "Force that between two objects" and never have a discussion about the nature of that force, the laws that describe that force or what that force means for objects around the universe. Someone who has never read or heard about the iPhone should read the article and know "all that there is to know about the iPhone" (within reason). Different people need to know different things. ˆ know that I'd love to know how the parts are spread out on the boards, who makes the accelerometer, how it actually senses portrait or landscale, why it works better than the systems that I've seen before etc.... That's all cool. And nice to turn to one place to find acurate information without PR spin, ads and agendas. HuskyMoon 00:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree. So why not have that section as a placeholder signaling that we are looking for the correct information. We already know for example for sure who makes some of the part. They are usually second-sourced. That's all good. By having the section there we will get good verifiable information over time and improve the quality of Wiki. In other words there is no downside in having that section. I wonder why it was removed. Next to each part we have a qualifier as to whether it is correct or speculation and what the source is. What do you think? HuskyMoon 01:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I think that we should stay focused on the issue: When you buy an iPhone you buy all the parts in the device and most of us are most interested in the insides. If we don't do a good job at it, other sources will do a better job than we would. To address your point every word at the edge of knowledge requires some qualifier, including the Apple fact sheet that this article has turned into. There is no more useful information in this article as there is on Apple.com. In fact there is much more on Apple.com. That means that we are failing and have been neutered by the Apple PR, spin machine: We simply reprint their marketing material. We are better than that aren't we? In fact I believe that this is in the very best interest of Apple: Knowledge is good. That's why we are pasionate about Wiki and what it means. We all work hard at it, so I think that if we all try to understand each other's point of view we can make a positive step forward. There are a lot of rules that can govern Wiki, but that of "useful knowleddge beyond reasonable doubt" is a good one. Reasonable doubt is a good criteria. Used in every major courthouse. There is no better one usually.
That's seems a long way of saying "I'm not really interesting in following existing guidelines, polcy and accepted good practice" - if you want to change any of those, feel free to put forward the relevent suggestions. However individual item pages are not the place to do that. General readers are NOT interested in the parts inside a mobile phone - geeks are. -- Larry laptop 11:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, if you'd follow that logic, who is the reader? Where should the information of what is in the iPhone be found? A special Wiki for more technically aware people (like our generation, I mean sun-25 who grew up digital)? I don't think of myself as a geek, but I really like to understand how things work and what is inside. That's the first thing that I wanted to know about the Wii. I can go to the Nintendo website for the spec sheet. But not for real knowledge. There has to be a difference between an accumulation of data facts and knowledge. My understanding from the spirit of Dierot and Dalembert (which are still fresh in my studies) is that their focus was on knowledge. It is clear from looking and reading the great Encyclopedie. IMHO that is what we should be pursuing. I've tried to think about your comment but it sounds to me more like censorship then a thrust towards expanding knowledge. Am I missing something? HuskyMoon 22:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes an undertanding of censorship to start with - something I cannot engage in as a private individual here. A special Wiki for more technically aware people (like our generation, I mean sun-25 who grew up digital)? just for clarfication I'm not under-25 that was a long time ago. You seem to be confused about what wikipedia is, it's not to expand knowledge about everything under the sun, it's to produce well-written and concise articles on subjects. -- Larry laptop 22:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Husky, please read WP:VERIFY. Come back when you have "reliable sources" on the iPhone internals. Until then there is nothing for us to discuss. AlistairMcMillan 22:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Alistair, thank you. I agree. What do you think about including the section with the part suppliers and the components and incrementally filling the blanks? Would this not have the side-effect of prompting for verifiable sources and structure our article for the future? HuskyMoon 22:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
How did the specifications at http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html of:
Wireless data: Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) + EDGE + Bluetooth 2.0
morph into
Integrated WiFi (802.11b/802.11g), EDGE and Bluetooth 2.0 with EDR and A2DP
in the Wikipedia entry?
I've seen no reference to A2DP for the iPhone. To the contrary, the Apple iPhone headset shown breifly during Job's product intro was clearly a mono (HS/HF like) device, not a stereo A2DP one. Likewise, the shown iPhone stereo headphone with integrated mic was clearly a wired device, not a BlueTooth one.
Is there any real evidence for A2DP inclusion in the specifications? John0902 22:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Please take your time and go to the article and compare it to the Apple fact sheet.... Do we want to just reprint fact sheets? Our job is to make sure that the article reflects "all that there is to know about the iPhone". My suggestions are as follow, three categories.
1. Inside the iPhone: Re-establish the parts suppliers list. This is important knowldege. Knowledge is what Wiki is about 2. Developers: Describe the third party developer relationship. Windgets but not applications. For now. At least that is what transpires from the NYT interview. That is an Aplle decision. Most Cingular handsets supports downloads from third party Java applications. It is an important part of the iPhone: Focus on maintaining the functional integrity of the platform and the user experience. There is a developer program and it's Widgets. That good and useful information. No java spagheti code. 3. Positioning: Describe the relative positioning of the iPhone with the other camera-phones, mucis-phones. The iPhone is a Great Music-Phone (iPod) with a great Camera-Phone (Editing software, great screen, automatic switch from portrait to landscale etc...) That is part of the Apple, iLife experience. That is really what the iPhone is about: A camera-phone inside an iPod all nicely integrated with a great user experience.
I think that this will help the iPhone article carry more real knowledge and be most helpful to anyone wanting to know about the iPhone.
Thoughts? HuskyMoon 01:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I understand your point Darkov. However, if we can write about Saddam Hussein surely we should be able to do something more than reprint Apple's fact sheets. There may be more lobbying for this article actually than most, which is very interesting. HuskyMoon 23:33, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Well WP:BOLD then - write what it is you think should be in the article and other people will then edit it in line with policy. Oh and your "there may be more lobbying" is awfully close to suggesting that editors here have an agenda - if you have something to say, don't use weasel words - come out and say it. -- Larry laptop 23:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Larry, it seems to me that there are a lot of emotions pro and anti Apple running in this page. In fact I would think that it is pretty obvious. And as such there is a lot of lobbying on behalf and against Apple. Of course the dispute over the trademark makes it even more difficult. All in all I think that the team is doing an admirable job under lots of pressure. HuskyMoon 11:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Will this phone be able to have AIM on it? I've never tried SMS before, and I don't want to pay for instant messages. I'm a noob. Sam 02:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Please keep an eye out for edits by Wikoogle. He seems intent on linkspamming this article to promote his rather lame blog, in particular he attempts to cite his blog as a reference for facts in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkov ( talk • contribs) 22:30, January 16, 2007
If he keeps at it, we will get it blacklisted (unless of course Steve Jobs or Bill Gates or someone like that stops by for an exclusive interview). -- Larry laptop 22:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
He's also perpetrating copyright violation by copying text verbatim from Wikipedia without licensing his blog under the GFDL. For shame. Darkov 22:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Not sure to the veracity of this claim: "Cisco lost rights to iPhone trademark last year, experts say". Source is ZDNet blog. Worth putting in the article? -- ZimZalaBim ( talk) 16:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, someone else refuted it. So no. Scepia 03:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I keep adding a tone tag to the Specifications section, only to have it removed or when it is turned to prose reverted to a bullet list. Just because PS2 and SLVR has a section that is similar doesn't mean we should add a specs section that looks like the back of a software box sitting in a store. Find me a featured article with a similarly bulleted specs section and then we're talk'n, but if you can't then I vote the section should be turned back to prose. What do people think? JoeSmack Talk 04:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Over the Lowercase tag edit war! Good job, guys! -- BenBurch 04:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed the logo with the following edit summary:
"Apple iPhone" is already stated. A graphic of Apple's logo doesn't need to be injected into the opening sentence. It breaks word flow and doesn't provide any useful information.
This was reverted ( the logo was re-added) with the following edit summary:
disagree, it adds valuable information on how the iPhone is portrayed...
I contend that the logo does not, in fact, add any valuable information, and possibly no information at all. The only thing I can think of is that it shows that Apple places its logo with the iPhone in its advertising and promotional materials; this is in no way remarkable, since Apple places its logo with all its products in its advertising and promotional materials.
Additionally, three words into the opening sentence is a poor place to have a parenthetical note that contains a non-ASCII graphic. It definitely breaks the flow of the sentence. The inclusion of the logo may be worth mentioning later in the article, and perhaps in better context, but it seems distinctly out of place here. Comments? -- S0uj1r0 06:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm not even sure if Apple uses the symbol before the 'iPhone', like they do for the AppleTV for example - however IF they do it does merit inclusion, and the opening sentence does seem the best place to present it.
The logo in question is a low quality PNG, so it can^t really be resized to fit correctly without loss of clarity. Sfacets 06:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I saw the logo once on Apple.com. The problem I have is fair use. That logo is mostly decoration, and the Apple logo is copyrighted. Scepia 06:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand how using the apple icon to represent the product's own marketing representation would be a fair use violation. Also, check out Apple_TV, which has the icon within the article title itself. -- ZimZalaBim ( talk) 03:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I found in the Futura Lt BT font. It shows up as in the font for the edit window, but it appears as the Apple Logo in this font. Have fun.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍) 04:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Engaget says there was a Reuters report, but I couldn't find it, it sounds like hearsay. I think it's premature to add that spec. But having said that it's almost certainly an ARM. There isn't really a reliable source on this. Darkov 23:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Andy Ihnatko of the Chicago Sun-Times had 45 minutes with the iPhone and apparently received solid answers to some key questions regarding touch screen as fingers only, 3rd party apps, OSX version, etc. Full article is here. I'll leave it to other editors about if/how to incorporate into iPhone. -- ZimZalaBim ( talk) 04:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Nice find ZimZalaBim, you are "wired" to this stuff! The article is very interesting. The bit about the developer program is important and absent from our iPhone article. I find what he says pertinenet and reasonable. On the keyboard side, the Treo has a very poor experience compared to the latest Blackberries. That's my personal experience. But it is all subjective. The notion of a soft keyboard is not new and it is terrific to see and new and improved implementation. Would you say that the par that is meaningful for inclusion here would be the developer support part? Good work finding this source. It's articulate and clear. HuskyMoon 10:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Zim, one more thing. Something that we don't have in the spec and that was announced by Apple are the sensors. In particular the "Accelerometer". The light and proximity sensors are very specific, but the accelerometer provides for new funtionality. So maybe a subhead: Sensors with in the body: Accelerometer, Proximity, Light. Note that the Accelerometer is significant enough to warrant its own Wiki article and a distinguising feature of the iPhone in some ways. And offcially announced by Apple. HuskyMoon 02:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Why no mention of Ive? His page says he designed the iPhone so he deserves a mention here as much as Jobs. 86.17.247.135 02:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Reference -- ZimZalaBim ( talk) 05:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Ive is the industrial designer for most of Apple products. From the iMac to the iPod. 202.128.52.61 08:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't thing it's particularly notable - he's VP of industrial design (or whatever) at Apple and the his is very collaborative, so it might not actually be exactly true. Pasting his name over every popular Apple product is just buying into the hype. Better to fashion a more balanced description of his influence on the Apple page or on his page. Darkov 14:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
There are specific quotes from him regarding designing the iPhone. They can be found at Time. I cited them in a new IPhone#History section I just created in the article. -- Jason C.K. 19:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
There are many, it's a problem with the general tone of the article, like a mobile phone user guide. For example :
"The iPhone allows conferencing, call holding, call merging, caller ID, and integration with other iPhone features. A playing song fades out when the user receives a call. Once the call is ended the music fades back on without delay."
"Text messages are presented chronologically..."
What next? - When a person makes a call, the iPhone emits electromagnetic microwaves?
Also, how can the phone run a "stripped down version of Mac OS X 10.5" of the mac desktops when the former has an Xscale processor and macs are x86.
I feel it should be restructured like the Nokia N95 article.
thestick 19:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I think "The iPhone allows conferencing, call holding, call merging, caller ID, and integration with other iPhone features. A playing song fades out when the user receives a call. Once the call is ended the music fades back on without delay." is important. We need to give some idea of what the features are. Not all phones have conference, holding, merging, etc. Is there a source for those, however? We do have to point out things that may be obvious (ie "it's a phone"). And not everyone instinctively realizes the music would fade out for a call, so we must make it obvious. Scepia 20:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Does Apple refer to the iPhone as a "smartphone" anywhere? I can't see it in their press release or on their iPhone pages at apple.com. As far as I remember the only time Jobs mentioned smartphones in the keynote, was when he was criticising them. AlistairMcMillan 22:49, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Alistair, I looked. The reference that I found was in the Jobs key-note. But more importantly maybe, we should talk about what the iPhone is, as opposed to "positioning". It is cearly a camera phone a multimedia player etc... As presently described. That's really pretty good. So the question is to pick from "Smartphone" or "High tech mobile phone that combines several functions typical of information appliances"..... In fact, I'd argue that that is a pretty good definition of a Smartphone. I like it better than the one that is on there now with PDAs etc... Which nobody really knows what they really are. Every phone has a calendar, contact list, notepad etc.... these days. In some ways it would be worth updating the Smartphone article? HuskyMoon 00:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
No. It isn't up to us to work out how we think things should be defined. Please read our policies. WP:VERIFY in particular. If Apple never uses the word "smartphone", if over and over and over they call it a "mobile phone" then that is what we call it.
And as for the smartphone article. We can say how other people define "smartphone", we can't come up with our own definition. AlistairMcMillan 01:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
So maybe it is worth mentioning it in the discussion page of the SmartPhone article. HuskyMoon 05:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I restored the "smartphone" phrase. It's a class of device that's a commonly-used and commonly-accepted term in this field. Jobs also compared iPhone to smartphones, so it's pretty clearly a similar class of device. One thing is for sure, "high tech" is a bloody awful phrase to use in an encyclopedia article. Wikipedia:Avoid peacock terms.
Here's a few definitions I found:
Jobs's efforts to discredit the "smartphone" label is a function of reality distortion field marketing trickery, and should be ignored in favour of presenting the device using commonly-used terms. -/- Warren 18:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Schi, these are excellent points. In reading all of these references and given that most camera phones have PDAs and "computer like functionality", it seems to me that SmartPhone in today's market means "High-end phone". The kind that sells for more than a few hundred US Dollars.... That's what there is in common it seems... HuskyMoon 10:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Cool. I'm fine with all that. I just object to anyone adding content explaining why Apple are lying by marketing their phone as a smartphone, [12] when it doesn't seem they did or do. AlistairMcMillan 19:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
here you'll find an interesting article about the smartphone controversy: [13]. -- 87.167.240.140 14:26, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I think that at this time it is a bit semantics. Our own Wiki definition of a Smartphone is nebulous about programability. The iPhone does support Widgets. About half-way. But still. More importantly, pricing will define positioning. The iphone will be priced like Blackberries, Mobile Windows and Symbian higher-end phones and that is what most people refer to as "Smartphones" whether it is right ow not. I read someone who chracterized the iPhone as: The best camera-phone with a built-in iPod. That's probably as accurate as anything, but a long sentence. So why now a Smartphone: Costs as much, looks as big, sits on the same shelf..... Must be a Smartphone.... HuskyMoon 00:01, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree, Jobs himself compared it to a list of phones that are 'smartphones' in his keynote. 'smartphone' is the best currently widely accepted category for the iPhone. DaisyField 18:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Can we skip the whole smartphone thing and just say:
-Gomm 04:03, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually, the first sentence should be: "The iPhone is a combination multimedia player, mobile phone, and internet communication device developed by Apple, Inc. (Forget about mentioning Steve Jobs; how many products have the company CEO's name in the first line?). Second sentence: "The multimedia player component comprises of a widescreen iPod. Ramallite (talk) 05:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
If we want to include all the gadgits that it includes, then the first sentence should be: "The iPhone is a combination multimedia player, mobile phone, digital camara, personal digital assitant, and internet communication device developed by Apple, Inc." and we still haven't even noted that it is handheld. If we don't want to define it in terms of the bunch of things it replaces, then we have to define it as a thing with functionalities, and specify them. -Gomm 05:45, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Note sure why 'smartphone' is so important, especially since it's just a marketing term and a meaningless one at that. Why do we have to follow marketingspeak so slavishly when it's arbitrary and driven by commerce, not fact. My phone, the Nokia 6230i is not a smartphone (according to an article) but it makes conference calls, sends messages, does email, edits notes, takes pictures and movies, plays music and movies, has internet access and a browser and pretty much everything the iPhone has, except the large touchscreen. Can't we side-step this back and forth by just using plain English? Phrases like "an integrated device" or "multi-function device" or something. Maybe 'modern integrated mobile phone'? Surely we as editors have enough brains between us to think of something better than parroting marketing-droids? Darkov 06:02, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
As described by earlier discussion in this talk page, the debate is where "iphone" should link to, given that it can refer to both the product being released by Apple and the current Linksys VoIP-based phone by Cisco. Some of the points made include:
I came to this page from the RfC page and, although somewhat interested in Apple's iphone, am removed from this naming issue. From the article standpoint, I'd suggest:
Altogether, to me it would seem most neutral and consistent with Wikipedia to rename this article iphone (Apple) and have iphone link to a disambiguation page. Akevin 07:13, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Can somebody put whether the phone vibrates or not? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bobguy89 ( talk • contribs) 03:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC).
Watch the keynote, steve says it does. — Preceding
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I think our References are WAY too wikilinked! This seems counter to the Manual of Style. A reader is going to see a sea of blue and barely know where to click, or know that precisely where they click matters a great deal. Given that we want this to be easy to the reader, I have a hard time seeing the merit of linking anything other than the article itself. Not the author's name, not the source publication entry on wikipedia, and for heaven's sake, certainly not the date, nor the word "press release"! Just how confusing do we want to be? I think we are making it too hard for a person to effectively find the source material. I'm all for linking to facilitate surfing, but any time I'm doing 2 links right next to each other so they run together as blue (i.e.--"[[foo]] [[bar]]") I think VERY carefully about whether I really need to do it. But in our References we'll constantly have 4 links right next to each other! -- Jason C.K. 18:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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Move the Linksys phone back NOW. Apple cannot call their cell phone the iPhone because Cisco has the trademark. EricJosepi 18:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
They're working out a deal with Cisco (owns Linksys), as per this Marketwatch article [1]. Obviously Apple would know better. So trademark shouldn't be a concern, Eric. CapYoda 19:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd say put this at Apple iPhone, like we do when two different companies make products with the same name. Night Gyr ( talk/ Oy) 23:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
wow, the apple fanboys are rabid here... regardless of what most people will think, the iPhone has been trademarked since 1996... it's cisco's product and the title of iPhone should lead to disambiguous AT THE LEAST with an iPhone(apple) and iPhone(linksys) :P
The term 'iPhone' should be a disambiguation and people should be free to select whether they mean to navigate to the "real" iPhone from Linksys, or what Apple is hoping they will be able to call their cell phone. Apple fanboys really are rabid. To muck up the Wikipedia by claiming a clearly disputed (and documented copyrighted) product name as an Apple product is inappropriate.
It doesn't matter what people are looking for, the Cisco iPhone came first. Apple should change the name.
Agreed! It is *not* reasonable to assume the public is searching *only* for an apple product. It would be more reasonable and unbiased to provide links to both ipod (Linksys) and ipod (Apple). whointhe 17:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
This is so wrong. iPhone belongs to Linksys, not Apple. Those who reason that most people are searching for iPhone Apple and hence this is fine to default iPhone to the Apple product are wrong. Does "Apple" default to Apple the company or Apple the fruit? Guys, this is wikipedia, not Macworld blog. Stop the fanboyism now. 12.47.208.50 16:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I came across this page actually looking for the Linksys phone but for some very odd reson i was directed to the apple phone, surely i should have been redirected to a disambiguous page. The Linksys phone is named iphone (Linksys) so why isnt the apple titled iphone (Apple) it just seems to me Wiki is becomeing Apple orientated, they copy and others inovate, so why should they have the first rights to Wiki? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.41.19.93 ( talk • contribs) 11:34, 11 January 2007.
Again, WP:NAME. Havok (T/ C/ e/ c) 08:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe it may be correct that at this moment in time, more people will be looking for Apple's iPhone. However, that has at least a little to do with short-term buzz less than a week after the product's launch, but that doesn't mean that it will remain this way for the forseeable future. (Cisco could launch a Linksys iPhone marketing campaign and raise just as much interest.) A more timeless method would be to redirect iPhone to redirect to the disambiguation page. I implore the involved persons to remove their biases and look at this in a reasonable fashion. No matter what the result of the lawsuit, this is not the best use of Wikipedia. If Apple wins this legal struggle or settles, there will still be more than one iPhone out there, and if Apple does not win it, then the page will need to be renamed to the new product's name anyways. 209.181.233.233 19:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
The term "i-" practically belongs to Apple. ipod. imac. So many products of theirs either have an apple or an i before it. Cisco is just sueing because they can. Stealthkey 14:16 13 January 2007
Yet again. If there is any debate. We should defer to a an unbiased viewpoint. Links to both Apple's product and Linksys' product should be provided. -- Whointhe 21:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Wiki is about what is right and correct and not what is more "popular". The legitimate owner of the iPhone trademark in the US is Cisco. No question (USPTO). This is where the device was pre-announced. The fair way to solve this until resolved is to have the iPhone article be an article describing the litigation and in the header, obvious two links one to an article about the LinkSys iPhone and another one to the Apple "iPhone". 75.208.12.15
Err, Excuse me, I don't really do much Wikipedia editing unless I note a spelling error or something really small. But perhaps it would be of interest to take a look at this ( * US Trademark Office Search Results for "iPhone" ) if you are going to argue that Cisco holds the Trademark, and therefore should be placed in the almighty iPhone location, perhaps you should note that Cisco isn't the only one. That link I added in the article was already removed, for a valid reason I guess. I agree that the Apple iPhone should stay, on the "iPhone" page. Update: The search expired, I searched for it here using the "New User Form (Basic)" search with the Keyword iPhone. -SL
I'm all for Stealthkey: the "i-Something" has been used by Apple since it introduced the iMac in 1998. The general public, being comprised mostly by Windows users, might not know other products for the OS X (Mac users's been familiar with) like the iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, iWeb, iTunes, iPod and now the iPhone. One cannot imagine a move to register an "i-Product" being not an opportunism (or a possible opportunity) to sue Apple. Paulomatsui 19:50 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Infogear's original filing for the trademark dates to March 20, 1996 - before Apple started their iMac/iPod line. Cisco aquired Infogear years ago. Linksys, a division of Cisco, has been shipping a new family of iPhone products since early 2006. While I agree that many people may be searching for the illegally named Apple Iphone, there are also many that may be searching for the Linksys Iphone. Being a fan of Apple does not give you the right to put in print what you deem as more "Apple friendly". Someone please do the right/unbiased thing and include links to both Apple's iphone and Linksys' iphone. Give people a choice on their own. Don't make the choice for them. Including a small, easily overlooked link to Linksys does not give it the same needed attention as the large picture of the Apple product, multiple links to Apple, and use of the Apple logo. -- Whointhe 12:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I case someone sane reads this, I suppose it's most appropriate to redirect IPhone to "controversy about the iphone trademark" article for now and not have it redirected to apple, nor linksys. Kirils 00:31, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Honestly it should be moved to a disambiguous page as people are searching for the Linksys iphone (Such as myself) and I don't think that apple should be the first thing we see. Hell, if I was searching for the Linksys iphone and came across this, I probably would have thought I got the company wrong and settle for Apple. And please, don't flame like a Apple fanboy. Cdscottie 17:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Ignoring the fanboy comment, I find it incredibly likely, and i think its been said before, that people are searching for Apple's iPhone the Cisco's thing. By law anyways, they should've proved that they have an actual product called iPhone, not a box with iPhone stamped across it. They should've lost it anyways( http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/experts_cisco_lost_rights_to_iphone_trademark_last_year/) , and there could be a third company in a position to take the trademark all themselves. I say let it play itself, wiki doesn't care about the legallity of a name; only info about the product in question. - The Walkin Dude 18:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for insulting me with that Fanboy comment. I was just looking for the Cisco iPhone as my area just received VOIP coverage and I have come accustomed to using Cisco products for my networking needs. I was researching the advantages of VOIP and at the same time I felt like researching a phone for it. The reason why I feel that a disambiguous page be used is to be fair to people searching for each type of phone. I mean really, is it that big a deal that it doesn't automatically come to this page? Cdscottie 12:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
To those that assume that the only reason the iPhone is here is due to Apple fanboys, this is not the case. It makes more sense for the Apple's iPhone to have the iPhone because due to the years of hype over the formerly non existent product, and the media coverage, it is fairly safe to assume that the majority will indeed be looking for Apple's product. It is the same reason that Apple is located at Apple Inc. instead of Apple, due to not everyone caring about the legal department or the tech world, it is safe to assume more people would be looking up the fruit instead, or Adobe is located at Adobe Systems when people usually just call it Adobe, but more people would likely be looking up the Mud Bricks. Redirecting it to a contriversy makes no sense, and neither does a disambiguation with 2 items. People will search for the Linksys iPhone as well, and for those people, there is a handy link at the top of the iPhone page. Sebastianlewis 03:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
That "handy link" is a lame attempt to placate the Cisco/Linksys fan-base. Meanwhile, the Apple fan-base seems to have currently "won out" by locking the contents of the homepage itself and hoping that instead the Cisco/Linksys fan-base vent their frustrations here. :( Way to bait and switch Apple fans. It was mentioned earlier that Wikipedia does not care who owns what. Wikipedia is a collective consciousness that serves to educate, *not* market. The assumption that a search for iPhone indicates that people wish to learn more about Apple's product is wrong. If people want to learn more about the Apple product let them go to the Apple website. The iPhone links should educate people about with what the word itself is associated not advertise one product over another. Don't merely acknowledge a competitor that is legitmately lawful in fine print and hope they go away. Wikipedia cares about laws! Take a look at the blurb below that says "Content that violates any copyright will be deleted." -- Whointhe 16:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
It would be better to call this page Apple iPhone. Iphone page should give information about the name disputes and offer links to Apple iPhone and Cisco Iphone. Capitalization (iPhone vs. Iphone) doesn't make difference with URLs. 209.121.69.85 16:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I see that Roguegeek moved and redirected the iPhone article to Apple iPhone, saying [5] "redirected to proper naming". How is "Apple iPhone" more proper than "iPhone"? Other Apple products, like the iPod, MacBook, and AirPort, aren't so-named, and I think iPhone is more compliant with WP:NAME, which says, "Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize". schi talk 19:54, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
There, it's back to iPhone again. Havok (T/ C/ e/ c) 20:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
When one types in iphone without a capital P, the redirect goes to the Cisco iPhone. As this article is named iPhone and the Cisco version is named iPhone (Linksys), shouldn't the redirect for iphone without the capital P be to this page, as it is correctly titled? I don't know if it should be changed. Thanks, Tcpekin 04:43, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Personally I Think It Should Be Called iMobile? :D Sorry I Dunno How To Sign :( 09:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC) 121.6.108.126
it's operation system was never called "Mac OS X" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.178.142.237 ( talk • contribs).
I removed the citation stating that iPhones run the full version of Mac OS X, since it was a Newsweek opinion piece and did not make any attempt to justify its claim. The author of that piece seems to have just been confused. — Epastore 04:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
It's not Mac OS X strictly speaking it's "iPhone OS X" since iPhones don't fall in the computer category. But I agree with Henriok, it's one and the same, maybe missing a few features found in Mac OS X, and with a different GUI, but still the same OS. Sfacets 15:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Please refer the longer discussion here: Talk:OS_X. Thanks. — Epastore 18:23, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Before it was annnouced the iphone was one of those apple rumors that wouldnt go away esp the last 4 months i think the history and big thing we all know it was on the internet deserves its own section in the "iPhone Article" - QACJared
Good job editors! I'll look on the Apple site for the pic that is 'squashed' here and see if I can do something. I think I'm gonna have to break my Sprint contract for this baby! Hoooo-Yeah! - Fairness And Accuracy For All 08:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Will this phone have a vibrate feature? gujamin 14:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I doubt it would... it would cause havoc to the sensors otherwise...
Sfacets
22:45, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
In Jobs' speech he specifically said there was a button to set the phone on vibrate. So.... I'm guessing there's a vibrate feature. 66.68.5.236 01:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I thought Steve said it was a Ring/Silent switch, a-la Treo. I've been reading all over and have not seen any mention that it has or doesn't have a vibrate feature. mgahs 04:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree. Where in the keynote did he say "vibrate"? Do you have a timecode for it? gujamin 14:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Anyone know what type of CPU it uses or what speed? Is it the Intel XScale at 624 MHz? -- 70.48.68.147 20:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Can everyone who is a representative of Cisco, PLEASE leave Wikipedia to unbiased editors. 171.71.37.171 is one, and I'm sure the others are so as well. Believe it or not Wikipedia is very much capable of policing itself. Also, what you are doing will only make getting consensus harder. Please have a look at WP:NAME and you will see why this article is reserved for Apple's iPhone. Thank you. Havok (T/ C/ e/ c) 20:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I beleive that when Havoc mentioned that "Wikipedia is very much capable of policing itself" he/she was referring to the wiki community, and not to him/herself. There are grounds for being banned from Wikipdia, and being disruptive after being warned for whatever reason is one of them. Sfacets 06:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
The trademark for "iPhone" has been registered since 1997, and is currently owned by Cisco. This article should be renamed iPhone (Apple) and the article currently at iPhone (Linksys) needs to be put here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.127.122.7 ( talk) 21:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC).
All reputable sources out there, call this device the iPhone. Let's leave it at that. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
An editor had removed the Smartphone category from the article, claiming that the iPhone wasn't one. I reverted. However, his argument is that "A smartphone must be able to run native applications that can be loaded or unloaded from the device." Anyone agree? The article smartphone does claim that "A key feature of a smartphone is that additional native applications can be installed on the device" - but I question that (arbitrary?) requirement since no citation is provided. Just thought I'd toss it out to this crowd to see what the opinions are. -- ZimZalaBim ( talk) 23:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
75.209.74.41 20:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC) The Wiki article is very clear. It is one of the main differentiation between SmartPhones and "high end feature phones". Third party applications. It is a deliberate choice on Apple's part for good or bad. But it is a choice for now.
Since the classification is disputed, I've reworded the introduction to avoid any controversy, and moved the claims to an independent (stub) section. IMHO the iPhone 'does' run third party applications, it has a fully capable web browser. The apps will be sandboxed, but I don't see how that runs against the definition of Smartphone. Diego 19:51, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
As the trademark section grows in length, I'm wondering if we should split it into its own article, say, iPhone trademark dispute. -- ZimZalaBim ( talk) 02:23, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
The plot thickens: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=236 - Perhaps a trademark dispute page is warranted now, this has certainly taken some bizarre twists and turns. - CHAIRBOY ( ☎) 23:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
What about these 2 products? http://www.telephonemagic.com/teledex-voip-hotel-iphone.htm and http://www.amazon.com/iPhone-Skype-Ready-Phone-Black/dp/B000I0U5HU? Will Cisco sue them too? Shouldn't Cisco sue them first since they are already selling products with the same name. Ikenn 11:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
All reports that I have heard either confirm there is no voice control on the iPhone or that there is no evidence to suggest it. I suggest removing this information under specifications Scottydude 02:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
An interesting reading. -- ReyBrujo 03:16, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Here is a simple view on the Apple iPhone that looks reasonable: The Smartphone and Camera Phone Blog One thing that stands out to many is that Apple needs to get a third party application developer program going asap. Else the iPhone is likely to become irrelevant. 75.208.12.15 13:16, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
It may be unfair to say that the lack of developer support is a shortcoming. Nobody knows. What is known is that it is a strategic decision. 75.209.23.23 13:35, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually I don't agree, we should probably keep it. Doesn't look like spam to me. Neither put up by Apple PR or Microsoft PR! There is no advertizing and no promotion and pretty insightful comments on that blog. I just read it. It seems constructive and helpful to the talk about the article. In particular they discuss the accelerometer, the developer program and the impact on the indstry. There is really no downside to have the link there. No commercial content at all, in fact no hyperlinks. Just a flat file. 75.208.145.38 12:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Spam doesn't have to be commercial, or directly commercial. If this guy is promoting his blog (which he is) he's getting something in return for posting something irrelevant on this page. Anyway the point is that the blog has no useful information on it. Darkov 22:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
That looks like anti-Apple. Not neutral for sure. Today's post says that "eve the iphone will go the way of the Newton..... it iwll generate a lot of innovation"... That's not nice! So question to everyone: There is controversy with the iPhone, understantement... But the article reads like a spec sheet except for the name litigation, which really has nothing to do with the iPhone. In the interest of encyclopedic completeness, should we create a section that is relevant. Maybe something like "Industry positioning and reaction"? HuskyMoon 01:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Apple's defence is that they are the first to use the name in a mobile phone. The lawyer for Cisco will simply point out that Apple has spent the last six years threatening to sue any company anywhere in the world who try to incorporate the term "pod" into their products - even when said products are not portable music players (or in some cases even consumer electronics). (Never mind the fact that before the iPod came along there were already many products - including electronic and music-related - that used the name (as any guitarist, for example, will happily tell you).)
Bully-boy tactics: what goes around, comes around, Jobs. 86.17.247.135 17:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok, so both these things happened, now what is your point? Companies do these things all the time. They don't have feelings - they're companies. Much more interesting is this which has verifiable facts.
Why are the suppliers of parts for this item noteworthy for encyclopedic mention? Neither iMac, PlayStation Portable nor Xbox, for example, mention their suppliers. Methinks this should be dumped. -- ZimZalaBim ( talk) 22:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Because we are an encyclopedia and our mission is to build an article that has "all there is to know about the iPhone", knowing the part suppliers is most helpful. If it is missing in the other articles we should add it there, not substract it. In fact it would be great to have pictures of the inside of the iPhone with call lines telling us, the kids, and the world where the parts are. It would be great to make this standard for any device. Wiki would be more complete for it and less like an advertising spec sheet for makers of such devices. What do you all think? HuskyMoon 03:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
That is exactly what I am saying and we agree 100%: The article right now is the Apple fact sheet. That just a collection of facts. if we now start writing about the insides etc... of the iPhone we will start writing about how the iPhone works, what makes it work etc... Those aren't facts. That's in-depth analysis. That is in the spirit of the great Encyclopedie. Something to be proud of and that will be appreciated by all readers as this information is not easy to come by. An Apple fact sheet is about everythwere and nobody nees Wiki for that. That's pure PR/Advertising.— Preceding unsigned comment added by HuskyMoon ( talk • contribs)
We are encyclopedists carrying the spirit of Diderot and Dalembert. That's why we congragate and work together at Wiki. Not having a description of part suppliers, how they relate to each other etc.. would be like have the article on gravitation just say "Force that between two objects" and never have a discussion about the nature of that force, the laws that describe that force or what that force means for objects around the universe. Someone who has never read or heard about the iPhone should read the article and know "all that there is to know about the iPhone" (within reason). Different people need to know different things. ˆ know that I'd love to know how the parts are spread out on the boards, who makes the accelerometer, how it actually senses portrait or landscale, why it works better than the systems that I've seen before etc.... That's all cool. And nice to turn to one place to find acurate information without PR spin, ads and agendas. HuskyMoon 00:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree. So why not have that section as a placeholder signaling that we are looking for the correct information. We already know for example for sure who makes some of the part. They are usually second-sourced. That's all good. By having the section there we will get good verifiable information over time and improve the quality of Wiki. In other words there is no downside in having that section. I wonder why it was removed. Next to each part we have a qualifier as to whether it is correct or speculation and what the source is. What do you think? HuskyMoon 01:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I think that we should stay focused on the issue: When you buy an iPhone you buy all the parts in the device and most of us are most interested in the insides. If we don't do a good job at it, other sources will do a better job than we would. To address your point every word at the edge of knowledge requires some qualifier, including the Apple fact sheet that this article has turned into. There is no more useful information in this article as there is on Apple.com. In fact there is much more on Apple.com. That means that we are failing and have been neutered by the Apple PR, spin machine: We simply reprint their marketing material. We are better than that aren't we? In fact I believe that this is in the very best interest of Apple: Knowledge is good. That's why we are pasionate about Wiki and what it means. We all work hard at it, so I think that if we all try to understand each other's point of view we can make a positive step forward. There are a lot of rules that can govern Wiki, but that of "useful knowleddge beyond reasonable doubt" is a good one. Reasonable doubt is a good criteria. Used in every major courthouse. There is no better one usually.
That's seems a long way of saying "I'm not really interesting in following existing guidelines, polcy and accepted good practice" - if you want to change any of those, feel free to put forward the relevent suggestions. However individual item pages are not the place to do that. General readers are NOT interested in the parts inside a mobile phone - geeks are. -- Larry laptop 11:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, if you'd follow that logic, who is the reader? Where should the information of what is in the iPhone be found? A special Wiki for more technically aware people (like our generation, I mean sun-25 who grew up digital)? I don't think of myself as a geek, but I really like to understand how things work and what is inside. That's the first thing that I wanted to know about the Wii. I can go to the Nintendo website for the spec sheet. But not for real knowledge. There has to be a difference between an accumulation of data facts and knowledge. My understanding from the spirit of Dierot and Dalembert (which are still fresh in my studies) is that their focus was on knowledge. It is clear from looking and reading the great Encyclopedie. IMHO that is what we should be pursuing. I've tried to think about your comment but it sounds to me more like censorship then a thrust towards expanding knowledge. Am I missing something? HuskyMoon 22:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes an undertanding of censorship to start with - something I cannot engage in as a private individual here. A special Wiki for more technically aware people (like our generation, I mean sun-25 who grew up digital)? just for clarfication I'm not under-25 that was a long time ago. You seem to be confused about what wikipedia is, it's not to expand knowledge about everything under the sun, it's to produce well-written and concise articles on subjects. -- Larry laptop 22:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Husky, please read WP:VERIFY. Come back when you have "reliable sources" on the iPhone internals. Until then there is nothing for us to discuss. AlistairMcMillan 22:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Alistair, thank you. I agree. What do you think about including the section with the part suppliers and the components and incrementally filling the blanks? Would this not have the side-effect of prompting for verifiable sources and structure our article for the future? HuskyMoon 22:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
How did the specifications at http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html of:
Wireless data: Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) + EDGE + Bluetooth 2.0
morph into
Integrated WiFi (802.11b/802.11g), EDGE and Bluetooth 2.0 with EDR and A2DP
in the Wikipedia entry?
I've seen no reference to A2DP for the iPhone. To the contrary, the Apple iPhone headset shown breifly during Job's product intro was clearly a mono (HS/HF like) device, not a stereo A2DP one. Likewise, the shown iPhone stereo headphone with integrated mic was clearly a wired device, not a BlueTooth one.
Is there any real evidence for A2DP inclusion in the specifications? John0902 22:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Please take your time and go to the article and compare it to the Apple fact sheet.... Do we want to just reprint fact sheets? Our job is to make sure that the article reflects "all that there is to know about the iPhone". My suggestions are as follow, three categories.
1. Inside the iPhone: Re-establish the parts suppliers list. This is important knowldege. Knowledge is what Wiki is about 2. Developers: Describe the third party developer relationship. Windgets but not applications. For now. At least that is what transpires from the NYT interview. That is an Aplle decision. Most Cingular handsets supports downloads from third party Java applications. It is an important part of the iPhone: Focus on maintaining the functional integrity of the platform and the user experience. There is a developer program and it's Widgets. That good and useful information. No java spagheti code. 3. Positioning: Describe the relative positioning of the iPhone with the other camera-phones, mucis-phones. The iPhone is a Great Music-Phone (iPod) with a great Camera-Phone (Editing software, great screen, automatic switch from portrait to landscale etc...) That is part of the Apple, iLife experience. That is really what the iPhone is about: A camera-phone inside an iPod all nicely integrated with a great user experience.
I think that this will help the iPhone article carry more real knowledge and be most helpful to anyone wanting to know about the iPhone.
Thoughts? HuskyMoon 01:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I understand your point Darkov. However, if we can write about Saddam Hussein surely we should be able to do something more than reprint Apple's fact sheets. There may be more lobbying for this article actually than most, which is very interesting. HuskyMoon 23:33, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Well WP:BOLD then - write what it is you think should be in the article and other people will then edit it in line with policy. Oh and your "there may be more lobbying" is awfully close to suggesting that editors here have an agenda - if you have something to say, don't use weasel words - come out and say it. -- Larry laptop 23:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Larry, it seems to me that there are a lot of emotions pro and anti Apple running in this page. In fact I would think that it is pretty obvious. And as such there is a lot of lobbying on behalf and against Apple. Of course the dispute over the trademark makes it even more difficult. All in all I think that the team is doing an admirable job under lots of pressure. HuskyMoon 11:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Will this phone be able to have AIM on it? I've never tried SMS before, and I don't want to pay for instant messages. I'm a noob. Sam 02:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Please keep an eye out for edits by Wikoogle. He seems intent on linkspamming this article to promote his rather lame blog, in particular he attempts to cite his blog as a reference for facts in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkov ( talk • contribs) 22:30, January 16, 2007
If he keeps at it, we will get it blacklisted (unless of course Steve Jobs or Bill Gates or someone like that stops by for an exclusive interview). -- Larry laptop 22:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
He's also perpetrating copyright violation by copying text verbatim from Wikipedia without licensing his blog under the GFDL. For shame. Darkov 22:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Not sure to the veracity of this claim: "Cisco lost rights to iPhone trademark last year, experts say". Source is ZDNet blog. Worth putting in the article? -- ZimZalaBim ( talk) 16:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, someone else refuted it. So no. Scepia 03:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I keep adding a tone tag to the Specifications section, only to have it removed or when it is turned to prose reverted to a bullet list. Just because PS2 and SLVR has a section that is similar doesn't mean we should add a specs section that looks like the back of a software box sitting in a store. Find me a featured article with a similarly bulleted specs section and then we're talk'n, but if you can't then I vote the section should be turned back to prose. What do people think? JoeSmack Talk 04:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Over the Lowercase tag edit war! Good job, guys! -- BenBurch 04:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed the logo with the following edit summary:
"Apple iPhone" is already stated. A graphic of Apple's logo doesn't need to be injected into the opening sentence. It breaks word flow and doesn't provide any useful information.
This was reverted ( the logo was re-added) with the following edit summary:
disagree, it adds valuable information on how the iPhone is portrayed...
I contend that the logo does not, in fact, add any valuable information, and possibly no information at all. The only thing I can think of is that it shows that Apple places its logo with the iPhone in its advertising and promotional materials; this is in no way remarkable, since Apple places its logo with all its products in its advertising and promotional materials.
Additionally, three words into the opening sentence is a poor place to have a parenthetical note that contains a non-ASCII graphic. It definitely breaks the flow of the sentence. The inclusion of the logo may be worth mentioning later in the article, and perhaps in better context, but it seems distinctly out of place here. Comments? -- S0uj1r0 06:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm not even sure if Apple uses the symbol before the 'iPhone', like they do for the AppleTV for example - however IF they do it does merit inclusion, and the opening sentence does seem the best place to present it.
The logo in question is a low quality PNG, so it can^t really be resized to fit correctly without loss of clarity. Sfacets 06:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I saw the logo once on Apple.com. The problem I have is fair use. That logo is mostly decoration, and the Apple logo is copyrighted. Scepia 06:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand how using the apple icon to represent the product's own marketing representation would be a fair use violation. Also, check out Apple_TV, which has the icon within the article title itself. -- ZimZalaBim ( talk) 03:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I found in the Futura Lt BT font. It shows up as in the font for the edit window, but it appears as the Apple Logo in this font. Have fun.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍) 04:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Engaget says there was a Reuters report, but I couldn't find it, it sounds like hearsay. I think it's premature to add that spec. But having said that it's almost certainly an ARM. There isn't really a reliable source on this. Darkov 23:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Andy Ihnatko of the Chicago Sun-Times had 45 minutes with the iPhone and apparently received solid answers to some key questions regarding touch screen as fingers only, 3rd party apps, OSX version, etc. Full article is here. I'll leave it to other editors about if/how to incorporate into iPhone. -- ZimZalaBim ( talk) 04:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Nice find ZimZalaBim, you are "wired" to this stuff! The article is very interesting. The bit about the developer program is important and absent from our iPhone article. I find what he says pertinenet and reasonable. On the keyboard side, the Treo has a very poor experience compared to the latest Blackberries. That's my personal experience. But it is all subjective. The notion of a soft keyboard is not new and it is terrific to see and new and improved implementation. Would you say that the par that is meaningful for inclusion here would be the developer support part? Good work finding this source. It's articulate and clear. HuskyMoon 10:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Zim, one more thing. Something that we don't have in the spec and that was announced by Apple are the sensors. In particular the "Accelerometer". The light and proximity sensors are very specific, but the accelerometer provides for new funtionality. So maybe a subhead: Sensors with in the body: Accelerometer, Proximity, Light. Note that the Accelerometer is significant enough to warrant its own Wiki article and a distinguising feature of the iPhone in some ways. And offcially announced by Apple. HuskyMoon 02:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Why no mention of Ive? His page says he designed the iPhone so he deserves a mention here as much as Jobs. 86.17.247.135 02:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Reference -- ZimZalaBim ( talk) 05:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Ive is the industrial designer for most of Apple products. From the iMac to the iPod. 202.128.52.61 08:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't thing it's particularly notable - he's VP of industrial design (or whatever) at Apple and the his is very collaborative, so it might not actually be exactly true. Pasting his name over every popular Apple product is just buying into the hype. Better to fashion a more balanced description of his influence on the Apple page or on his page. Darkov 14:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
There are specific quotes from him regarding designing the iPhone. They can be found at Time. I cited them in a new IPhone#History section I just created in the article. -- Jason C.K. 19:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
There are many, it's a problem with the general tone of the article, like a mobile phone user guide. For example :
"The iPhone allows conferencing, call holding, call merging, caller ID, and integration with other iPhone features. A playing song fades out when the user receives a call. Once the call is ended the music fades back on without delay."
"Text messages are presented chronologically..."
What next? - When a person makes a call, the iPhone emits electromagnetic microwaves?
Also, how can the phone run a "stripped down version of Mac OS X 10.5" of the mac desktops when the former has an Xscale processor and macs are x86.
I feel it should be restructured like the Nokia N95 article.
thestick 19:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I think "The iPhone allows conferencing, call holding, call merging, caller ID, and integration with other iPhone features. A playing song fades out when the user receives a call. Once the call is ended the music fades back on without delay." is important. We need to give some idea of what the features are. Not all phones have conference, holding, merging, etc. Is there a source for those, however? We do have to point out things that may be obvious (ie "it's a phone"). And not everyone instinctively realizes the music would fade out for a call, so we must make it obvious. Scepia 20:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Does Apple refer to the iPhone as a "smartphone" anywhere? I can't see it in their press release or on their iPhone pages at apple.com. As far as I remember the only time Jobs mentioned smartphones in the keynote, was when he was criticising them. AlistairMcMillan 22:49, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Alistair, I looked. The reference that I found was in the Jobs key-note. But more importantly maybe, we should talk about what the iPhone is, as opposed to "positioning". It is cearly a camera phone a multimedia player etc... As presently described. That's really pretty good. So the question is to pick from "Smartphone" or "High tech mobile phone that combines several functions typical of information appliances"..... In fact, I'd argue that that is a pretty good definition of a Smartphone. I like it better than the one that is on there now with PDAs etc... Which nobody really knows what they really are. Every phone has a calendar, contact list, notepad etc.... these days. In some ways it would be worth updating the Smartphone article? HuskyMoon 00:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
No. It isn't up to us to work out how we think things should be defined. Please read our policies. WP:VERIFY in particular. If Apple never uses the word "smartphone", if over and over and over they call it a "mobile phone" then that is what we call it.
And as for the smartphone article. We can say how other people define "smartphone", we can't come up with our own definition. AlistairMcMillan 01:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
So maybe it is worth mentioning it in the discussion page of the SmartPhone article. HuskyMoon 05:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I restored the "smartphone" phrase. It's a class of device that's a commonly-used and commonly-accepted term in this field. Jobs also compared iPhone to smartphones, so it's pretty clearly a similar class of device. One thing is for sure, "high tech" is a bloody awful phrase to use in an encyclopedia article. Wikipedia:Avoid peacock terms.
Here's a few definitions I found:
Jobs's efforts to discredit the "smartphone" label is a function of reality distortion field marketing trickery, and should be ignored in favour of presenting the device using commonly-used terms. -/- Warren 18:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Schi, these are excellent points. In reading all of these references and given that most camera phones have PDAs and "computer like functionality", it seems to me that SmartPhone in today's market means "High-end phone". The kind that sells for more than a few hundred US Dollars.... That's what there is in common it seems... HuskyMoon 10:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Cool. I'm fine with all that. I just object to anyone adding content explaining why Apple are lying by marketing their phone as a smartphone, [12] when it doesn't seem they did or do. AlistairMcMillan 19:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
here you'll find an interesting article about the smartphone controversy: [13]. -- 87.167.240.140 14:26, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I think that at this time it is a bit semantics. Our own Wiki definition of a Smartphone is nebulous about programability. The iPhone does support Widgets. About half-way. But still. More importantly, pricing will define positioning. The iphone will be priced like Blackberries, Mobile Windows and Symbian higher-end phones and that is what most people refer to as "Smartphones" whether it is right ow not. I read someone who chracterized the iPhone as: The best camera-phone with a built-in iPod. That's probably as accurate as anything, but a long sentence. So why now a Smartphone: Costs as much, looks as big, sits on the same shelf..... Must be a Smartphone.... HuskyMoon 00:01, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree, Jobs himself compared it to a list of phones that are 'smartphones' in his keynote. 'smartphone' is the best currently widely accepted category for the iPhone. DaisyField 18:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Can we skip the whole smartphone thing and just say:
-Gomm 04:03, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually, the first sentence should be: "The iPhone is a combination multimedia player, mobile phone, and internet communication device developed by Apple, Inc. (Forget about mentioning Steve Jobs; how many products have the company CEO's name in the first line?). Second sentence: "The multimedia player component comprises of a widescreen iPod. Ramallite (talk) 05:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
If we want to include all the gadgits that it includes, then the first sentence should be: "The iPhone is a combination multimedia player, mobile phone, digital camara, personal digital assitant, and internet communication device developed by Apple, Inc." and we still haven't even noted that it is handheld. If we don't want to define it in terms of the bunch of things it replaces, then we have to define it as a thing with functionalities, and specify them. -Gomm 05:45, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Note sure why 'smartphone' is so important, especially since it's just a marketing term and a meaningless one at that. Why do we have to follow marketingspeak so slavishly when it's arbitrary and driven by commerce, not fact. My phone, the Nokia 6230i is not a smartphone (according to an article) but it makes conference calls, sends messages, does email, edits notes, takes pictures and movies, plays music and movies, has internet access and a browser and pretty much everything the iPhone has, except the large touchscreen. Can't we side-step this back and forth by just using plain English? Phrases like "an integrated device" or "multi-function device" or something. Maybe 'modern integrated mobile phone'? Surely we as editors have enough brains between us to think of something better than parroting marketing-droids? Darkov 06:02, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
As described by earlier discussion in this talk page, the debate is where "iphone" should link to, given that it can refer to both the product being released by Apple and the current Linksys VoIP-based phone by Cisco. Some of the points made include:
I came to this page from the RfC page and, although somewhat interested in Apple's iphone, am removed from this naming issue. From the article standpoint, I'd suggest:
Altogether, to me it would seem most neutral and consistent with Wikipedia to rename this article iphone (Apple) and have iphone link to a disambiguation page. Akevin 07:13, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Can somebody put whether the phone vibrates or not? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bobguy89 ( talk • contribs) 03:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC).
Watch the keynote, steve says it does. — Preceding
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I think our References are WAY too wikilinked! This seems counter to the Manual of Style. A reader is going to see a sea of blue and barely know where to click, or know that precisely where they click matters a great deal. Given that we want this to be easy to the reader, I have a hard time seeing the merit of linking anything other than the article itself. Not the author's name, not the source publication entry on wikipedia, and for heaven's sake, certainly not the date, nor the word "press release"! Just how confusing do we want to be? I think we are making it too hard for a person to effectively find the source material. I'm all for linking to facilitate surfing, but any time I'm doing 2 links right next to each other so they run together as blue (i.e.--"[[foo]] [[bar]]") I think VERY carefully about whether I really need to do it. But in our References we'll constantly have 4 links right next to each other! -- Jason C.K. 18:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)