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OK, I've been digging around fruitlessly, trying to figure out if this is a closed platform (like the iPod), or an open platform (like MacOS X).
So far, I found no indication as to whether third-party developers can write applications for the iPhone. If anybody knows, that would be nice to include in the article. emk ( talk)
"It is very pretty"? Is it a enciclopedic notation? Maitreya
Apple's iPhone video on its website features an iPhone bookmarked for Wikipedia, and a screenshot of the iPod article. Very cool. - Nunh-huh 19:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
And here it is: Image:Wikipedia on IPhone.jpg - Nunh-huh 20:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
We must cover developing applications for the Apple iPhone, including "syncing them" from iTunes. This is a very important part of the Apple strategy to have the iTunes "vending machine" ( similar to the BREW Qualcomm model) feeding applications for the Apple iPhone (and the iPod) 75.208.152.191 01:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
There is no information available on the apple site for developing applications for the ipod or iPhone. There now are several games for the iPod available, developed by external developers but there isn't any information on how to become an iPod or iPhone application developer. Anyone know something about this? 75.210.58.197 04:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
For now Apple's position is that there are *NO* third party applications and therefore no developers. This must be clarified in the body of the article. It is a choice that Apple is making, right or wrong. It is a different choice as all other smart phones have a developer program. It must be emphasized and not burried in the specification. This is an important part of how the iPhone is differentiated from other smartphones and camera phones. In fact over time it make become the biggest differentiaton. 75.209.23.23 13:32, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
is the ability to do Google Maps, etc, really a special feature due to a special agreement with Google? I presumed it was just part of the normal web browsing capabilities, and that it can also do MapQuest or Yahoo or any online service (but they just chose to feature Google). --
ZimZalaBim (
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20:48, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't think it has GPS. someone confirm and edit the page —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.98.89.171 ( talk • contribs).
I believe that when they talk about location awareness they refer to the fact that it senses when you are holding it to your ear (like a phone) and turns off the screen to save power and prevent accidental botton press with your cheek. Biglig 17:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree. Nowhere in the keynote did Steve say anything about GPS capabilities, and MSNBC seems to be the only one reporting that it does (Microsoft anyone?) I have made changes accordingly. Sfacets 18:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
To be fair, the MSNBC source is actually from AP. CNN ran basically the same article off of AP. My personal impression is the same as others: I think AP's reporter mistook the google map demonstrations for GPS. 65.220.90.243 20:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
The reason I thought there might be location awareness was that the Keynote had him demonstrating Google Maps, and there was an off-the-cuff mention on the live keynote feed about it knowing where he was because it had the Moscone center already set. A friend re-watched the video of the presentation last night, and it appears to have been bookmarked, so it's unlikely that it has anything like GPS or triangulation. - CHAIRBOY ( ☎) 21:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
""The iPhone is really going to revolutionize the world as Steve described it," Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak said following Jobs's keynote speech today. (Wozniak, wearing a bike helmet, had been cornered on his Segway scooter by reporters and Apple fans outside Moscone Convention Center in San Francisco, and was answering questions.)
Wozniak had two regrets about the device: that it will come with 8 Gbytes of memory rather than 40 Gbytes and that it had no built-in GPS hardware." [1] TheNewMinistry 01:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
What on earth does this mean (under the 'specifications')? iPod portion features Cover Flow interface and 3-D effects Please delineate it there properly! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.12.137.58 ( talk) 22:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC).
The iPhone is simply a 2G (or 2.5G due to EDGE) phone with Wi-fi (802.11b/g[ [2]]). Why say it's "Beyond 3G"? The definition given for "Beyond 3G" in the article is for data rates of 100Mbps or more. 802.11g goes up to 54mbps only. Marcosleal 23:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Folks, remember: The World Will Not End Tomorrow. We're not here to score points, or scoop each other. Slow down, take your time and fact-check before making an edit. I'm as excited about this as anyone else, but we want to make sure we're putting out a good article, instead of a lot of random edits. -- Kesh 00:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I'm trying to read this article and it keeps changing every second! 205.174.22.25 00:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Would it be same to say that those changes make a good news article but a bad encyclopedia entry? :) Sfacets 22:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
The picture with the iphone using safari is squashed. If someone could fix the picture/ un-squash it that would be helpful, as I do not know how to do it. - User:Musicaldemon on January 9th, 2007 at 9:50 P.M.
The whole lead-in paragraph needs rewritten. It's crammed with way too many buzzwords, information that belongs in the Specifications section and just generally is difficult to read. Also, the article needs to stick to announced features and capabilities, not speculation. I admire Wikipedians' fervor to add information, but the article is a bit of a mess right now. -- Kesh 04:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
The article writes that it will be available in Canada in June. I am pretty sure there was no mention of this in the keynote, or did I miss something? 70.80.66.195 04:53, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
From what I can gather, Rogers will be releasing it in Q4 2007/Q1 2008.
http://www.johnwiseman.ca/blogging/technology/apples-new-iphone-availability-in-canada/
142.150.8.249
16:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Already had to cut out "Mike Jones", more vandalism expected. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KevinCLovesU ( talk • contribs) 06:16, 10 January 2007 (UTC).
Agreed. This page should be locked to prevent vandalism. Weters 00:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
i read somewhere (i think) that the iphone would include two batteries. one for the mp3 and one for the phone. im not sure if this is correct and how they would manage to fit it into the phone. could someone please confirm or deny this please?
This was from a early rumor site, not from fact. I'd have to watch it again, but I think that Kevin from Digg said it, I'd have to rewatch, but regardless, its not mentioned under tech specs http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html, so it shouldn't be mentioned.
Does anyone have any info on what the battery specs are beyond the capacity? Are they the same kind used in iPods?, are they replaceable..? Sfacets 22:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Two batteries would not be needed to prevent music and video-playback from draining the phone. It would be much easier to just disable these functions in software once the battery reach a certain charge-level, like 10 percent or whatever.
Well there are usually two batteries in electronic devices - which maintain the time for example, so that the machine can tell which time it is when it is switched back on. I don't think this is what the user means though, I think he is refering to a Diggnation episode where the host makes a comment on the possibilities of their being two batteries in the upcoming iPhone. Seems dodgy to me that the batteries won't be replaceable (at least not with major surgery) Apple batteries have had a track record of either failing after a while and even exploding. Sfacets 15:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
They are built into the phone just like in the iPod. You have to recharge it and I guess when the battery goes, you ship it off to get it replaced like with the iPod.
I've noticed the disputes that had flared up over the fair use of the promotional images, and I think this would be the best place to discuss the issue more broadly. There are already some images on Flickr posted with free licenses [3] (some legitimately, others not), so I guess the question is, "Do any of them 'adequately give the same information' according to the fair use criteria?" Dancter 08:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
iPhone should be a redirect to iPhone (disambiguation) page or Linksys iPhone. I fail to see why wikipedia should endorse trademark violations by linking iPhone to a product that infringes on Cisco's trademark at the time of Steve Job's announcement. Kommodorekerz 10:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Apparently not THAT soon... http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/01/10/D8MIN3LO0.html Cisco is suing Apple.
Cisco is the rightful holder of the trademarked name "iPhone"; therefore iPhone on Wikipedia should link either to the Cisco product or to a disambiguation page. -- PhoenixVTam 17:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
According to Apple Italy, the iphone will be released with 3G & Super UMTS when released in Europe. Dont know if anybody else can confirm this but personaly I think the iphone is already out of date with its current features, most phone in Europe recently released have Super UMTS, wifi ect. Check out the HTC TyTN which is already 6 months old and has all the iphones features and alot more (apart from 8GB memory).
I agree. Without 3G and a decent battery lifetime the iphone will fade into obscurity before even being released everywhere. I'm not sure people will care so much about a dozen of cool add-on features as long as their new 400-600$ mobile phone is below average. --- Alan F.
In the keynote, Jobs showed only two applications he called widgets: Weather and Stocks. The other applications being referred to in this article as "widgets" seem more like full fledged "applications" on the phone. Are we using the correct terminology here to call all of "SMS, Calendar, Photos, Camera, Calculator, Stocks, Maps, Weather, Notes, and Clock." as Widgets? Mike Koss 11:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to write for this section without being redundant with either the infobox or with the Features section. What's in there now seems like an arbitrary restatement of features in odd priority and capitalization. RVJ 11:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Under "Third-Party Development", The article reads:
Apple has said that the iPhone runs "widgets," certainly, but does it run the same widgets as MacOS X Dashboard, and can third-party developers actually load them onto phone without Apple's permission?
Is there any source for the statement in the article? Can we confirm this? (I can find speculation here [4], but that's about it.)
If there's no source for this statement, I'm going to remove it, or edit it to say the official status is uncertain. emk ( talk) 12:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
its a bit of a tough one. Since widgets are HTML/CSS/Javascript, they may do the same thing as with Tiger to let you load them. However, Cocoa Dashboard widgets is where it gets funny because while Steve Jobs officially said the iphone uses Cocoa at the keynote, he never said if dashboard will. But I agree with EMK I guess, I assumed, possibly wrongly before that third party would be supported. I believe we should mention Widgets under the development section though still, because it is very likely they will be also third party. But maybe keep it how it was changed now.
Auzy
12:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
somebody should post about where the speakers are Bobguy89 13:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
If you watch the keynote video (free download form the iTunes podcasts section), you'll see that Steve mentioned that the speaker is on the let of the bottom side, next to the 30-pin "iPod" connector and microphone.
This is an officially announced product, whose specs and details have been published by the manufacturer. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 15:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Jossi, the two templates are distinct. It this template starts on this article, then it can spread to other articles as well which have been wrongly categorized. Sfacets 18:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
The information here isn't preliminary, which makes all the difference. Sfacets 19:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
But that's just it, the template doesn't make that assumption, or any assumption. Sfacets 19:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
The information in this article *is* preliminary. Several times through Apple's history, and even more often in the world outside Apple, the specs of a product have changed (sometimes drastically) between announcement and release, and the FCC may require changes to the iPhone before it hits stores. The {{future product}} template says that the article may contain preliminary or speculative information which may not reflect the final version of the product; this applies in this case. I just don't understand the point of the {{announced product}} template: when it says the article "may contain information released by the manufacturer, and other reliable sources only", is it warning the user that the article might not contain information about popular reaction to the product or references to it in media, or is it telling an editor that such information is prohibited? (There's no Wikipedia prohibition against information such as that.) I just don't understand whether the {{announced product}} template is warning what kind of information the article might contain or declaring what kind of information the article can contain. - Brian Kendig 19:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't matter, the template {{ announced product}} doesn't make any assumptions on wether the product is preliminary or not, but rather focuses on what data is given by official sources. Sfacets 19:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I suggest you go to every one of the pages here (Windows Vista, for example, whose specs have also been released by the manufacturer) and add the "announced product" to all the products which have been announced, lest you appear NPOV. cacophony ◄ ► 02:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Is 4:6 widescreen? I thought that term was reserved for 16:9 (or maybe 16:10?). cacophony ◄ ► 15:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Note - I've commented out the image above. Please resize it to a thumbnail here, as not all of us are using a high-resolution screen! -- Kesh 04:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Flickr has this image and this image. I'm not sure about exactly which CC images are OK, but I think thes are OK. The current images are not OK. - Peregrine Fisher 20:27, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Can't we find any better free images? These are fine, for the moment, but no match for the earlier ones in terms of clarity and aesthetics
Sfacets
21:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to point out that they are still copyrighted. Apple owns the copyright to the user interface. That image should not have been on the Wikimedia Commons, as the Commons can only host free use images. I nominated it for speedy deletion and it was deleted. If you would like to upload the file on Wikipedia, feel free to do so, but it is FAIR USE, not FREE USE. All images of the iPhone will be fair use, AKA copyrighted, as the user interface is copyrighted. Showing the iPhone with the screen blank would not show the function of the phone, so we will have to use fair use. Scepia 00:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Can the images from www.apple.com/pr consider as free? The agreement is to use it as is.
I resized and re-cropped the image of the iPhone displaying Safari and uploaded it last night. I 'thought' I used the license for 'Macintosh Software' but it didn't seem to note that with the upload. I just got a message that the image is listed for deletion. I don't know much about Wiki copyright and licensing requirements, so perhaps somone who does can do what is needed. - Thanks FAAFA (I want an iPhone NOW) 21:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
From David Pogue's hands-on:
Link AlistairMcMillan 21:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
At the moment the article only mentions that the iPhone can play Mp3's. Conceviably it can play everything (and more?) an iPod video can... of course this is only speculation unless we can find sources... Sfacets 22:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
The criticism section mentioned an article published in APC Magazine, and stated that the magazine was an MSN publication. The magazine is published by Australian Consolidated Press. ACP's parent company PBL co-owns the ninemsn portal, which is why there is a banner for it at the top of the APC Magazine website.
Since the attribution is incorrect, and there was no comment left when the attribution was added ( diff), I've removed it.
My guess is that the text was added to discredit the article by association with one of Apple's chief competitors -- James 09:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
If we are to describe "criticism" of the iPhone, we ought to describe also the extraordinarily positive response in the press. Section marked as a POV violation. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 17:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Stating the trademark concerns does not matter is not good. Wiki is a objective source of information
Even this attempt(*) to see things in a more objective perspective are deleted.I am sorry to see that Apple fanboys are taking over Wiki.
(*) The trademark iPhone is currently used for at least two products. Linksys , the trademark holder( a Cisco company) is using it for the iPhone internet VOIP solution appliances.
And Apple for it’s newly announced iPhone Wireless cell phone. ( see further) In jan 2007 Cisco sued Apple for infringement of it’s trademark.
Be Objective, do not threathen to block users who are trying to be objective. Fact: the name iPhone belongs to a existing product. Show at least both products before you give more information. This is a Encyclopedia and not a PR forum for Apple fanboys! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.90.13.169 ( talk • contribs).
I requested a semi-protection for this article, I hope it will protect it from all these vandals. -- Have a nice day. Running 18:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
This is a Encyclopedia and not a PR instrument for Apple Inc. A reference to iPhone should start with the name of a existing product as is the case since 1997. Linksys is the trademark holder and as such should be named at least first. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WikisedEN ( talk • contribs).
[quote]It is reasonable to assume that the vast majority of people looking for an article on iPhone are looking for the Apple product.[/quote] That's not the question here. People who use a Encyclopedia are looking for information about a certain topic. It's a FACT that when you look for iPhone there are two products with that name. It's essential information about the topic. It the reason why you use a Encyclopedia! If you are asuming they only want part of the truth ( the Apple Inc part that is) your are breaking down the fundamentals of a Encyclopedia. If i wanted types of censorship i can move to China.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by WikisedEN ( talk • contribs).
Why is there a review section? Hardly anyone has even physically touched iPhone, let alone reviewed it. This section also contains references to problems with iPhone that amount to pure speculation, yet is presented as "review." Sjenkins7000 23:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
As I recall seeing reports from the time of Job's address Apple hadn't (at the time) got permission from the relevant federal agency: "This device has not been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission". Has Apple got the green light yet? Kommodorekerz 03:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Apple iPhone Fansite Unofficial Fan Site that has potential. Impostal22 05:22, 12 January 2007 (UTC)impostal22
I've heard many rumors (including some from my brother who actually works at the Cingular store) about Microsoft's involvement with the design and development with this iPhone (unlike Linksys's version). Should we mention this somewhere in the article? I think it's quite important. Also, what are the real upgrade differences between this model and the one put out in 1996 by Linksys? I think if functions and specs have changed, we should be mentioning them in the article, or at least in the talk section? Maybe we should include a hyperlink to Cingular's mailing address in case people without computer or telephone access have problems changing their service from the Linksys version to the Apple one. These are just some ideas. I'd really like to help get this article off the ground, especially regarding the differences between the two models. Also, with this newer version, will the Linksys model still be produced? Are those going to still be available at the Apple Store? Let's work on these issues and I'm sure this article will come together nicely. Cynthia18 10:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
The lowercase tag is not showing for me in Firefox. Anyone having that problem? Solution? -- ZimZalaBim ( talk) 19:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
One of the major selling points of the iPhone is the novel interaction, as it was the case with the iPod. I feel that it has to have a promintent section describing it, and that it has to be mentioned in the leading paragraph. Diego 23:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
It could have a short mention, like a sentence, but I agree that the intro can very easily become very long. Sfacets 00:08, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
For Jossi and Sfacets: if you review my contribution, you'll see that I didn't remove a single comma - so Jossi's claims that I deleted properly sourced material are wrong. Diego 00:14, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Existing a "freer" image that gives as much information as the promotional one, there is no doubt. The first point of our Fair use criteria is very clear. There was an image that did not have the GUI, if I find it, I will change this one with that one because it is a fully free one. -- ReyBrujo 21:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I recently removed [5] mention that Job's demo call on the iPhone was a "prank call" to Starbucks. The editor who placed it notified me [6] s/he wants to put it back since it "is just the kind of content that will interest readers." While there is all kinds of content that might be of interest to readers, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and the content/context of this call is, IMO, not of encyclopedia value. -- ZimZalaBim ( talk) 22:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it doesn't belong in this article. If anywhere it would belong in an article dedicated to the Keynote in question. (strange that there isn't an article for the yearly Macworlds...) Sfacets 22:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
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OK, I've been digging around fruitlessly, trying to figure out if this is a closed platform (like the iPod), or an open platform (like MacOS X).
So far, I found no indication as to whether third-party developers can write applications for the iPhone. If anybody knows, that would be nice to include in the article. emk ( talk)
"It is very pretty"? Is it a enciclopedic notation? Maitreya
Apple's iPhone video on its website features an iPhone bookmarked for Wikipedia, and a screenshot of the iPod article. Very cool. - Nunh-huh 19:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
And here it is: Image:Wikipedia on IPhone.jpg - Nunh-huh 20:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
We must cover developing applications for the Apple iPhone, including "syncing them" from iTunes. This is a very important part of the Apple strategy to have the iTunes "vending machine" ( similar to the BREW Qualcomm model) feeding applications for the Apple iPhone (and the iPod) 75.208.152.191 01:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
There is no information available on the apple site for developing applications for the ipod or iPhone. There now are several games for the iPod available, developed by external developers but there isn't any information on how to become an iPod or iPhone application developer. Anyone know something about this? 75.210.58.197 04:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
For now Apple's position is that there are *NO* third party applications and therefore no developers. This must be clarified in the body of the article. It is a choice that Apple is making, right or wrong. It is a different choice as all other smart phones have a developer program. It must be emphasized and not burried in the specification. This is an important part of how the iPhone is differentiated from other smartphones and camera phones. In fact over time it make become the biggest differentiaton. 75.209.23.23 13:32, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
is the ability to do Google Maps, etc, really a special feature due to a special agreement with Google? I presumed it was just part of the normal web browsing capabilities, and that it can also do MapQuest or Yahoo or any online service (but they just chose to feature Google). --
ZimZalaBim (
talk)
20:48, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't think it has GPS. someone confirm and edit the page —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.98.89.171 ( talk • contribs).
I believe that when they talk about location awareness they refer to the fact that it senses when you are holding it to your ear (like a phone) and turns off the screen to save power and prevent accidental botton press with your cheek. Biglig 17:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree. Nowhere in the keynote did Steve say anything about GPS capabilities, and MSNBC seems to be the only one reporting that it does (Microsoft anyone?) I have made changes accordingly. Sfacets 18:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
To be fair, the MSNBC source is actually from AP. CNN ran basically the same article off of AP. My personal impression is the same as others: I think AP's reporter mistook the google map demonstrations for GPS. 65.220.90.243 20:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
The reason I thought there might be location awareness was that the Keynote had him demonstrating Google Maps, and there was an off-the-cuff mention on the live keynote feed about it knowing where he was because it had the Moscone center already set. A friend re-watched the video of the presentation last night, and it appears to have been bookmarked, so it's unlikely that it has anything like GPS or triangulation. - CHAIRBOY ( ☎) 21:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
""The iPhone is really going to revolutionize the world as Steve described it," Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak said following Jobs's keynote speech today. (Wozniak, wearing a bike helmet, had been cornered on his Segway scooter by reporters and Apple fans outside Moscone Convention Center in San Francisco, and was answering questions.)
Wozniak had two regrets about the device: that it will come with 8 Gbytes of memory rather than 40 Gbytes and that it had no built-in GPS hardware." [1] TheNewMinistry 01:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
What on earth does this mean (under the 'specifications')? iPod portion features Cover Flow interface and 3-D effects Please delineate it there properly! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.12.137.58 ( talk) 22:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC).
The iPhone is simply a 2G (or 2.5G due to EDGE) phone with Wi-fi (802.11b/g[ [2]]). Why say it's "Beyond 3G"? The definition given for "Beyond 3G" in the article is for data rates of 100Mbps or more. 802.11g goes up to 54mbps only. Marcosleal 23:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Folks, remember: The World Will Not End Tomorrow. We're not here to score points, or scoop each other. Slow down, take your time and fact-check before making an edit. I'm as excited about this as anyone else, but we want to make sure we're putting out a good article, instead of a lot of random edits. -- Kesh 00:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I'm trying to read this article and it keeps changing every second! 205.174.22.25 00:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Would it be same to say that those changes make a good news article but a bad encyclopedia entry? :) Sfacets 22:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
The picture with the iphone using safari is squashed. If someone could fix the picture/ un-squash it that would be helpful, as I do not know how to do it. - User:Musicaldemon on January 9th, 2007 at 9:50 P.M.
The whole lead-in paragraph needs rewritten. It's crammed with way too many buzzwords, information that belongs in the Specifications section and just generally is difficult to read. Also, the article needs to stick to announced features and capabilities, not speculation. I admire Wikipedians' fervor to add information, but the article is a bit of a mess right now. -- Kesh 04:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
The article writes that it will be available in Canada in June. I am pretty sure there was no mention of this in the keynote, or did I miss something? 70.80.66.195 04:53, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
From what I can gather, Rogers will be releasing it in Q4 2007/Q1 2008.
http://www.johnwiseman.ca/blogging/technology/apples-new-iphone-availability-in-canada/
142.150.8.249
16:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Already had to cut out "Mike Jones", more vandalism expected. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KevinCLovesU ( talk • contribs) 06:16, 10 January 2007 (UTC).
Agreed. This page should be locked to prevent vandalism. Weters 00:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
i read somewhere (i think) that the iphone would include two batteries. one for the mp3 and one for the phone. im not sure if this is correct and how they would manage to fit it into the phone. could someone please confirm or deny this please?
This was from a early rumor site, not from fact. I'd have to watch it again, but I think that Kevin from Digg said it, I'd have to rewatch, but regardless, its not mentioned under tech specs http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html, so it shouldn't be mentioned.
Does anyone have any info on what the battery specs are beyond the capacity? Are they the same kind used in iPods?, are they replaceable..? Sfacets 22:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Two batteries would not be needed to prevent music and video-playback from draining the phone. It would be much easier to just disable these functions in software once the battery reach a certain charge-level, like 10 percent or whatever.
Well there are usually two batteries in electronic devices - which maintain the time for example, so that the machine can tell which time it is when it is switched back on. I don't think this is what the user means though, I think he is refering to a Diggnation episode where the host makes a comment on the possibilities of their being two batteries in the upcoming iPhone. Seems dodgy to me that the batteries won't be replaceable (at least not with major surgery) Apple batteries have had a track record of either failing after a while and even exploding. Sfacets 15:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
They are built into the phone just like in the iPod. You have to recharge it and I guess when the battery goes, you ship it off to get it replaced like with the iPod.
I've noticed the disputes that had flared up over the fair use of the promotional images, and I think this would be the best place to discuss the issue more broadly. There are already some images on Flickr posted with free licenses [3] (some legitimately, others not), so I guess the question is, "Do any of them 'adequately give the same information' according to the fair use criteria?" Dancter 08:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
iPhone should be a redirect to iPhone (disambiguation) page or Linksys iPhone. I fail to see why wikipedia should endorse trademark violations by linking iPhone to a product that infringes on Cisco's trademark at the time of Steve Job's announcement. Kommodorekerz 10:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Apparently not THAT soon... http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/01/10/D8MIN3LO0.html Cisco is suing Apple.
Cisco is the rightful holder of the trademarked name "iPhone"; therefore iPhone on Wikipedia should link either to the Cisco product or to a disambiguation page. -- PhoenixVTam 17:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
According to Apple Italy, the iphone will be released with 3G & Super UMTS when released in Europe. Dont know if anybody else can confirm this but personaly I think the iphone is already out of date with its current features, most phone in Europe recently released have Super UMTS, wifi ect. Check out the HTC TyTN which is already 6 months old and has all the iphones features and alot more (apart from 8GB memory).
I agree. Without 3G and a decent battery lifetime the iphone will fade into obscurity before even being released everywhere. I'm not sure people will care so much about a dozen of cool add-on features as long as their new 400-600$ mobile phone is below average. --- Alan F.
In the keynote, Jobs showed only two applications he called widgets: Weather and Stocks. The other applications being referred to in this article as "widgets" seem more like full fledged "applications" on the phone. Are we using the correct terminology here to call all of "SMS, Calendar, Photos, Camera, Calculator, Stocks, Maps, Weather, Notes, and Clock." as Widgets? Mike Koss 11:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to write for this section without being redundant with either the infobox or with the Features section. What's in there now seems like an arbitrary restatement of features in odd priority and capitalization. RVJ 11:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Under "Third-Party Development", The article reads:
Apple has said that the iPhone runs "widgets," certainly, but does it run the same widgets as MacOS X Dashboard, and can third-party developers actually load them onto phone without Apple's permission?
Is there any source for the statement in the article? Can we confirm this? (I can find speculation here [4], but that's about it.)
If there's no source for this statement, I'm going to remove it, or edit it to say the official status is uncertain. emk ( talk) 12:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
its a bit of a tough one. Since widgets are HTML/CSS/Javascript, they may do the same thing as with Tiger to let you load them. However, Cocoa Dashboard widgets is where it gets funny because while Steve Jobs officially said the iphone uses Cocoa at the keynote, he never said if dashboard will. But I agree with EMK I guess, I assumed, possibly wrongly before that third party would be supported. I believe we should mention Widgets under the development section though still, because it is very likely they will be also third party. But maybe keep it how it was changed now.
Auzy
12:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
somebody should post about where the speakers are Bobguy89 13:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
If you watch the keynote video (free download form the iTunes podcasts section), you'll see that Steve mentioned that the speaker is on the let of the bottom side, next to the 30-pin "iPod" connector and microphone.
This is an officially announced product, whose specs and details have been published by the manufacturer. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 15:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Jossi, the two templates are distinct. It this template starts on this article, then it can spread to other articles as well which have been wrongly categorized. Sfacets 18:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
The information here isn't preliminary, which makes all the difference. Sfacets 19:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
But that's just it, the template doesn't make that assumption, or any assumption. Sfacets 19:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
The information in this article *is* preliminary. Several times through Apple's history, and even more often in the world outside Apple, the specs of a product have changed (sometimes drastically) between announcement and release, and the FCC may require changes to the iPhone before it hits stores. The {{future product}} template says that the article may contain preliminary or speculative information which may not reflect the final version of the product; this applies in this case. I just don't understand the point of the {{announced product}} template: when it says the article "may contain information released by the manufacturer, and other reliable sources only", is it warning the user that the article might not contain information about popular reaction to the product or references to it in media, or is it telling an editor that such information is prohibited? (There's no Wikipedia prohibition against information such as that.) I just don't understand whether the {{announced product}} template is warning what kind of information the article might contain or declaring what kind of information the article can contain. - Brian Kendig 19:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't matter, the template {{ announced product}} doesn't make any assumptions on wether the product is preliminary or not, but rather focuses on what data is given by official sources. Sfacets 19:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I suggest you go to every one of the pages here (Windows Vista, for example, whose specs have also been released by the manufacturer) and add the "announced product" to all the products which have been announced, lest you appear NPOV. cacophony ◄ ► 02:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Is 4:6 widescreen? I thought that term was reserved for 16:9 (or maybe 16:10?). cacophony ◄ ► 15:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Note - I've commented out the image above. Please resize it to a thumbnail here, as not all of us are using a high-resolution screen! -- Kesh 04:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Flickr has this image and this image. I'm not sure about exactly which CC images are OK, but I think thes are OK. The current images are not OK. - Peregrine Fisher 20:27, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Can't we find any better free images? These are fine, for the moment, but no match for the earlier ones in terms of clarity and aesthetics
Sfacets
21:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to point out that they are still copyrighted. Apple owns the copyright to the user interface. That image should not have been on the Wikimedia Commons, as the Commons can only host free use images. I nominated it for speedy deletion and it was deleted. If you would like to upload the file on Wikipedia, feel free to do so, but it is FAIR USE, not FREE USE. All images of the iPhone will be fair use, AKA copyrighted, as the user interface is copyrighted. Showing the iPhone with the screen blank would not show the function of the phone, so we will have to use fair use. Scepia 00:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Can the images from www.apple.com/pr consider as free? The agreement is to use it as is.
I resized and re-cropped the image of the iPhone displaying Safari and uploaded it last night. I 'thought' I used the license for 'Macintosh Software' but it didn't seem to note that with the upload. I just got a message that the image is listed for deletion. I don't know much about Wiki copyright and licensing requirements, so perhaps somone who does can do what is needed. - Thanks FAAFA (I want an iPhone NOW) 21:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
From David Pogue's hands-on:
Link AlistairMcMillan 21:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
At the moment the article only mentions that the iPhone can play Mp3's. Conceviably it can play everything (and more?) an iPod video can... of course this is only speculation unless we can find sources... Sfacets 22:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
The criticism section mentioned an article published in APC Magazine, and stated that the magazine was an MSN publication. The magazine is published by Australian Consolidated Press. ACP's parent company PBL co-owns the ninemsn portal, which is why there is a banner for it at the top of the APC Magazine website.
Since the attribution is incorrect, and there was no comment left when the attribution was added ( diff), I've removed it.
My guess is that the text was added to discredit the article by association with one of Apple's chief competitors -- James 09:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
If we are to describe "criticism" of the iPhone, we ought to describe also the extraordinarily positive response in the press. Section marked as a POV violation. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 17:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Stating the trademark concerns does not matter is not good. Wiki is a objective source of information
Even this attempt(*) to see things in a more objective perspective are deleted.I am sorry to see that Apple fanboys are taking over Wiki.
(*) The trademark iPhone is currently used for at least two products. Linksys , the trademark holder( a Cisco company) is using it for the iPhone internet VOIP solution appliances.
And Apple for it’s newly announced iPhone Wireless cell phone. ( see further) In jan 2007 Cisco sued Apple for infringement of it’s trademark.
Be Objective, do not threathen to block users who are trying to be objective. Fact: the name iPhone belongs to a existing product. Show at least both products before you give more information. This is a Encyclopedia and not a PR forum for Apple fanboys! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.90.13.169 ( talk • contribs).
I requested a semi-protection for this article, I hope it will protect it from all these vandals. -- Have a nice day. Running 18:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
This is a Encyclopedia and not a PR instrument for Apple Inc. A reference to iPhone should start with the name of a existing product as is the case since 1997. Linksys is the trademark holder and as such should be named at least first. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WikisedEN ( talk • contribs).
[quote]It is reasonable to assume that the vast majority of people looking for an article on iPhone are looking for the Apple product.[/quote] That's not the question here. People who use a Encyclopedia are looking for information about a certain topic. It's a FACT that when you look for iPhone there are two products with that name. It's essential information about the topic. It the reason why you use a Encyclopedia! If you are asuming they only want part of the truth ( the Apple Inc part that is) your are breaking down the fundamentals of a Encyclopedia. If i wanted types of censorship i can move to China.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by WikisedEN ( talk • contribs).
Why is there a review section? Hardly anyone has even physically touched iPhone, let alone reviewed it. This section also contains references to problems with iPhone that amount to pure speculation, yet is presented as "review." Sjenkins7000 23:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
As I recall seeing reports from the time of Job's address Apple hadn't (at the time) got permission from the relevant federal agency: "This device has not been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission". Has Apple got the green light yet? Kommodorekerz 03:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Apple iPhone Fansite Unofficial Fan Site that has potential. Impostal22 05:22, 12 January 2007 (UTC)impostal22
I've heard many rumors (including some from my brother who actually works at the Cingular store) about Microsoft's involvement with the design and development with this iPhone (unlike Linksys's version). Should we mention this somewhere in the article? I think it's quite important. Also, what are the real upgrade differences between this model and the one put out in 1996 by Linksys? I think if functions and specs have changed, we should be mentioning them in the article, or at least in the talk section? Maybe we should include a hyperlink to Cingular's mailing address in case people without computer or telephone access have problems changing their service from the Linksys version to the Apple one. These are just some ideas. I'd really like to help get this article off the ground, especially regarding the differences between the two models. Also, with this newer version, will the Linksys model still be produced? Are those going to still be available at the Apple Store? Let's work on these issues and I'm sure this article will come together nicely. Cynthia18 10:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
The lowercase tag is not showing for me in Firefox. Anyone having that problem? Solution? -- ZimZalaBim ( talk) 19:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
One of the major selling points of the iPhone is the novel interaction, as it was the case with the iPod. I feel that it has to have a promintent section describing it, and that it has to be mentioned in the leading paragraph. Diego 23:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
It could have a short mention, like a sentence, but I agree that the intro can very easily become very long. Sfacets 00:08, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
For Jossi and Sfacets: if you review my contribution, you'll see that I didn't remove a single comma - so Jossi's claims that I deleted properly sourced material are wrong. Diego 00:14, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Existing a "freer" image that gives as much information as the promotional one, there is no doubt. The first point of our Fair use criteria is very clear. There was an image that did not have the GUI, if I find it, I will change this one with that one because it is a fully free one. -- ReyBrujo 21:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I recently removed [5] mention that Job's demo call on the iPhone was a "prank call" to Starbucks. The editor who placed it notified me [6] s/he wants to put it back since it "is just the kind of content that will interest readers." While there is all kinds of content that might be of interest to readers, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and the content/context of this call is, IMO, not of encyclopedia value. -- ZimZalaBim ( talk) 22:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it doesn't belong in this article. If anywhere it would belong in an article dedicated to the Keynote in question. (strange that there isn't an article for the yearly Macworlds...) Sfacets 22:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)