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The contents of the English phonemes page were merged into International Phonetic Alphabet chart for English dialects on September 2005. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page.

The contents of the International Phonetic Alphabet for English page were merged into International Phonetic Alphabet chart for English dialects on January 2008. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page.

Can we sticky the columns with the lexical sets and examples too? I tried to, but couldn't figure out how to get it to work properly. -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 23:23, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply

There is more than 1 chart in this article so its title should be International Phonetic Alphabet charts for English dialects rather than the singular chart.

1.126.109.57 ( talk) 17:16, 19 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I'd argue that it is confusing to use the phrase 'International Phonetic Alphabet chart(s)' to refer to this article, as an IPA chart shows places and manners of articulation etc. and doesn't make distinctions between different languages. I think we should rename the article to something like 'Cross-dialectal Phonology of English', which is much clearer and actually describes what the article is about. The current title sounds like it describes an International Phonetic Alphabet chart that only uses English phones, which is way off. Citation unneeded ( talk) 15:06, 27 July 2024 (UTC) reply

forked to here Citation unneeded ( talk) 13:20, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I want to propose the addition of comments to the markup of at least the vowel chart to make it easier to find cells that editors are trying to edit. For example, the first few non-header cell of the vowel chart, which are currently:

| colspan="2" |ɛː~ɛə̯~eə̯
| colspan="2" | {{IPA|ɪə̯~eə̯~ɛɐ̯}}<ref name="shortatensing" />
| rowspan="4" |{{IPA link|æ}}
| colspan="2" |eə~ɛə

would instead become:

| colspan="2" |ɛː~ɛə̯~eə̯ <-- AAVE -->
| colspan="2" | {{IPA|ɪə̯~eə̯~ɛɐ̯}}<ref name="shortatensing" /> <-- Boston -->
| rowspan="4" |{{IPA link|æ}} <-- Cajun -->
| colspan="2" |eə~ɛə <-- California -->

or:

| <-- AAVE --> colspan="2" |ɛː~ɛə̯~eə̯
| <-- Boston --> colspan="2" | {{IPA|ɪə̯~eə̯~ɛɐ̯}}<ref name="shortatensing" />
| <-- Cajun --> rowspan="4" |{{IPA link|æ}}
| <-- California --> colspan="2" |eə~ɛə

As a related but separate proposal, I would find it helpful to include tags indicating the rows with the example word from the rightmost column; the first row, currently |-, would become |- <-- ham --> (or maybe |- <-- HAM -->).

Do other editors think these changes would make the current markup/code easier to use or more difficult? (I would of course volunteer to take on this effort; I'm not trying to propose more work for someone else.) - Literally Satan ( talk) 21:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

This page should be restricted to varieties of English with an educational basis. African voiceless lateral sounds and dialects from non-native countries do not belong here.

124.169.158.113 ( talk) 13:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC) reply

The table as shown in the article is a lot wider than it is tall. Would it not be a better idea to reorient the table vertically, so that the dialects are at the left and the diaphonemes are at the top and bottom? It would still be too wide for many people's screens, but at least not by as much as the table is now. - Gilgamesh ( talk) 02:02, 8 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Mainly reiterating my comment here. The current title is unintuitive and confusing. It suggests that the page is an International Phonetic Alphabet chart that only uses English phones, like the ones on English phonology but for many more dialects. What this page actually does is show the differences between the phonologies of different dialects of English (i.e. Cross-dialectal English phonology). Renaming it this also gets rid of the debate about whether it should be 'chart' or 'charts'. Citation unneeded ( talk) 13:19, 28 July 2024 (UTC) reply