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I understand there was a recall on a batch because of a faulty firing pin. More info is needed regarding this, and specifically verification as to the recall itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SaturdayNightSpecial ( talk • contribs) 01:55, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
This handgun was actually designed in Israel. I thought this was a well-known fact. If I find corroborating references, can I change this entry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.243.137.56 ( talk) 23:06, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
As my comments here were not pleaded against with adequate sources-I changed the place of origin to both USA and Israel.-- Gilisa ( talk) 10:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
That's a copy of Wikipedia. It's a pretty obvious copy, too.-- LWF ( talk) 19:17, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that a lot of parts such as Size are generic, personal terms with no real data such as measuments, weight, etc. I will update it but if someone wants to help that would be great. Should a Bias tag be added to the entire article?
I've read several reports that limp-wristing is very common if you're trying to shoot the gun without a firm grip, due to the high recoil. Certainly I've seen more than one stovepipe, but nothing in the article mentions this now. - 205.251.80.95 09:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Requesting cleaning up this section, seems very biased, almost as if the person has never fired the desert eagle. I have fired many variants of the desert eagle. too many biased (uneducated?) opinions
Cherokee40 19:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I say clean up the article by killing that section. SouthernStang93 02:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree that issues regarding practicality that rely on anecdotal experience should not be posted. I personally find them to be terribly impractical for a variety of reasons (cost and availability of ammunition, weight, cost of firearm, availability of parts and accessories, size, etc.), but my personal indifference to this fire arm is my opinion - if you don't like it that is fine, but keep you personal views out of the article or provide peer reviewed research and create "criticisms" section.
Discussions of practicality must be based on good sources, but they should not be eliminated from the text altogether. The only reason I came to this page was to learn why the Desert Eagle was made, when it seems like such an impractical weapon. I'm sure I'm not the only one to come to this page for that reason, and I'm sure the person who wrote the original "practicality" section had this in mind. Something has to be added on this issue, because it IS relevant to understanding this weapon. 67.193.243.245 ( talk) 17:45, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
An anonymous user noted that the Mark VII was discontinued; the Magnum Research website still lists the Mark VII in 6 and 10 inch barrels. I'm going to dig a bit more into that and see if I can verify it's status; it could be out of production but still in stock (it's not like $1k hand cannons sell all that fast--well, except for the .45-70 T/C). scot 01:39, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Despite the fact that the company lists Minneapolis as its location on their website, it is actually located in Fridley, Mn. This is commonly done with addresses in first ring suburbs. I know this is a trivial detail, but I am going to change it nonetheless, both because it is more accurate and because I am adding Magnum Research to a list of companies located in Fridley. To verify this do a mapquest or google maps search for the address given on the company website, you will see that it is clearly in Fridley. Asedzie 11:41, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm changing all the IWI references back to IMI; my 26th Ed. Blue Book of Gun Values lists IMI and Saco as the makers; no IWI is listed in the Blue Book. If anyone can provide verifiable reference to an "IWI" (maybe IMI just changed their name?) then provide it and we can discuss what do do. scot 02:11, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
I recall back in the late-90s MR offered a stocked version of their pistols to the LEO/MIL market. It would be classed as a SBR, so civvies would have to jump through the NFA hoops.
It must have not be very successful, because I only recollect seeing one ad for it.
Anyone else remember this?
Per the AfD, I've condensed the Desert Eagle In Popular Culture list into a paragraph with a few examples of it's use. IMO I do not feel it is neccessary to add EVERY appearance it has made in movies or video games. Manmonk 04:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Desert Eagle was a gun used by the main character in the game, Ray, with animation very similar to South Park. Ray is a game found on "heavygames.com". I'm not trying to advertise. -- 66.218.12.60 02:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I Did not think you were persay advertising but i dought its that notable.( ForeverDEAD 00:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC))
Brought back the popular culture section. It's short, vague, and reference-less. Hopefully it'll be shaped up over time =p FoxDiamond 00:50, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
If some sources are added, especially for the "deagle" part I think that the popular culture section will be excellent. It avoids trivia better left to tvtropes and gives a brief overview. Stargate70 ( talk) 03:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Brought back pop DE in Media again, Quoting WP:whatever doesn't do any good because it is obvious that one or more people think that they own this page and they care not one whit for precedence. Nor have they noticed that Wikipedpia is frought with inconsistencies in the moribound bureaucratic rules which seem to proliferate here.-- 71.246.30.208 ( talk) 10:36, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
The second and third paragraphs in the Practicality section contain a lot of personal views. It needs to be an objective analysis to have a NPOV. - D'Agosta 20:48, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I think something needs to be added to the part about Practicality. I'm not sure about the stove pipe thing but since that's a common limpwristing problem on many handguns I don't think it should be pointed out as just a DE thing.
"This weapon is very powerful, however, the huge recoil and size make this gun hard to control. Additionally, the .50 AE cartridge is simply deemed by many to be unnecessarily powerful for self-defense or military purposes."
That part about recoil is subjective to the person shooting it. I'm a small person and I thought the .50 Desert Eagle was pretty tame especially in comparison to some revolvers I've shot. I thought a .44 Mag kicks more than this thing. Saying it has "huge recoil" and suggesting it is hard to control is subjective. Maybe for someone new to firearms but once again I think this statement is subjective. The second sentence quoted needs to be cited (although I agree with it.) The paragraph immediately following the quote above (about recoil) seems to turn around and suggest the recoil is less (which I agree with.) Makes it a bit confusing. 74.131.56.240 19:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Is "Deagle" commonly used to refer to the Desert Eagle or is that just a Counter strike thing? -- Ortzinator 21:01, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
So what is the consensus concerning this issue? Does anyone think that this term should at least be mentioned? I have heard the Desert Eagle called a "Deagle" by quite a few people for quite a while, and as such I believe that it deserves to be at least mentioned somewhere. Thoughts? -- OranL ( talk) 18:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Personally I think it should be at least mentioned. It's not just a Counter-Strike or Rainbow Six thing; gamers on the whole typically refer to the gun as a Deagle (and apparently so do people in Ghettos). "Deagle" is practically a word/name in its own right now, even if many fans of this weapon despise it. FoxDiamond 22:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have a picture of someone actually holding a Desert Eagle? I know it's referred to as large, but I can't find a picture of someone holding the gun through Google.
-- 58.179.115.136 10:25, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Millsy 02:38, 29 April 2007 (UTC) I have a few pictures of my hand holding a desert eagle. (.357, Mark VII) I don't know if it is a good reference though, as I have large hands (which is why I like the Desert eagle as much as I do, the grip is perfect for me) Links for now I'll upload them if someone else thinks they are good. First shot Second
How do you fix the main Desert Eagle page from saying "You're all fags" back to the original?
ive got a good image, Ill try and upload it soon
Well, we now have a scale picture in the article. I realized that a picture of someone holding it is still subject to scale problems, so I used a CD instead. Most everyone does know how big a CD is after all.-- LWF 19:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
How do you change the main page from the idiot who wrote "You're all fags", back to the original?
Other than a reference to U.S.-based production in 1995-2000, there's no indication of dates. When were the various marks first produced? Belltower 21:18, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be a slight dilemma in this article over the country the Desert Eagle originates from. I was wondering if we could weigh in on which country is the true country of origin, Israel, or the United States of America. The main problem is that the original design and patent originated in the USA, and were then refined by Israel, which then was given a license to manufacture Desert Eagles. This creates the problem of whether we go with the original design's origin, or if we go with first mass-producing country. I personally think that in this case it should be America, as the design is of American origin, and I license to manufacture being issued by an American company lends credence to the idea that the design's country of origin is the USA. Please tell me what you think and weigh in on this discussion.-- LWF 03:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Nice pic, truly scary sight :) Anon 003 18:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be more information about the performance and handling of the weapon? Including in relation to other calibers? Alexander 13:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not interested in caliber performance, as I'm well aware there are individual pages for such things. What am interested in is the performance of the weapon itself, and how it stacks up to weapons of similar design/caliber/class. Say we use the DE .44 as an example, well, how does it compare to other .44 pistols? Or other large bore autoloading pistols? How does the weapon in and of itself handle? What is the recoil, weight, refire rate, etc. Obviously one pistol will have different performance characteristics than another, even if they they are very similar. Adding information on such things is valuable to potential gun owners, as well as those who wish to understand as much as possible about something. I myself do not know this information for this particular weapon, but I'm sure someone on Wikipedia does. Alexander 04:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
The Jane's Infantry Weapons for 1989-90 indicates that the Desert Eagle was, at one point, chambered for the .41 AE cartridge. Though authoritative, I believe the Jane's guide may be in error and the researcher may have confused the .41 Magnum with the .41AE. Having said all that, if the pistol in question was ever chambered for the aforementioned cartridged, perhaps it should be added. 68.116.99.232 ( talk) 21:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't like the placement of this image, and I don't really think it contributes anything to the article. In addition, the image just doesn't look natural. I think that it should be removed from the article, but if anyone else thinks it could be moved to another area of the article, then please respond. -- OranL ( talk) 16:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Plenty of input now. I haven't heard from anybody (else) who likes this picture or thinks it belongs in the article. I believe I will switch on over to the article and delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcumpston ( talk • contribs) 23:42, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone explain why "drum" is listed under feed system? There is probably no such thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.84.44.140 ( talk) 21:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
http://www.modelguns.co.uk/images/ThompDrum.jpg -- Mcumpston ( talk) 21:34, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I can understand that, but are there any for the desert eagle? The link you put up was for the Thompson.
Probably not. One of the sites that hawks Desert eagles also has a drum fed gun. They put the advertising blurb together in such a way as to make it sound like the desert eagle has a drum mag: The SpecialistsIMI Desert Eagle .50AE Tremendous power coupled with high recoil make this handgun ... and can fire up to 360 rounds per minute from its drum magazine. ... www.specialistsmod.net/weapons/weapons.html - 32k - Cached - Similar pages that might have made its way into one of the revisions.
Desert Eagle → Magnum Research Desert Eagle — See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Firearms#Naming for naming conventions this article should have the manufactures name before the model of the pistol — MRIanthony ( talk) 17:58, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
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, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.MRIanthony ( talk) 17:59, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Oppose This gun is pretty well known and by its common name rather than any link with its manufacturer's name, the wikipedia naming conventions are pretty clear on common vs official names. Narson ( talk) 22:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Im re-opening this becuase i have thought of a compromise. "Desert Eagle" to "Desert Eagle pistol". Thoughts? БοņёŠɓɤĭĠ₳₯є 20:00, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Naming The names of firearm articles should start with the proper name of the manufacturer, followed by the firearm's name. Examples of this policy are Heckler & Koch MP7 instead of MP7 or Smith & Wesson Model 1006 instead of S&W Model 1006. Exceptions to this are firearms named with military designations such as M16 rifle or AK-47. See WP:WEAPON#Naming conventions for the guideline on naming military firearms.
I think that for the moment we should hold off on renaming this one. The Desert Eagle is an unusual case because of the way by which it came into being. I would suggest that the WikiProject Firearms discuss this first, and come to a consensus on what to do when one company owns the design, and another makes it and sells some, while the first distributes it.
I've been curious about this for awhile, but I can't find any information on it anywhere. Does anyone know why the .50AE Desert Eagle lacks a fluted barrel, whereas just about every other (XIX) model has one? Thanks in advance. FoxDiamond 22:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps a link to the Modern Firearms article would be of some benefit as it includes a photo of the original design. [11] 68.116.99.78 ( talk) 22:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I believe the following statement, as it is unsourced, to be an NPOV violation:
Due to its size, weight, and considerable report and muzzle flash, it is a clumsy and somewhat unwieldy weapon for self-defense purposes.
I'm no firearms expert, but I cannot see how "muzzle flash" and "considerable report" could negatively effect self-defense? If one is committing a murder, yeah, these could be drawbacks. If, however, you're legally defending yourself, a loud noise and big flash can only hurry the police to your side (because if a perp in hanging about when you've capped off anti-aircraft gun, you're obviously dealing with a mentally unstable individually!).
Some people may well feel that way, but without a source, it's just an editor's opinion and, thus, I think it should be removed unless a source to back it up can be found; e.g. a review in a firearms magazine or website.
I have a cousin who carries this weapon for self-defense and he tells me he has no problem "clearing leather". Tho', fortunately, he hasn't had to use it for self-defense (he carries makes big cash deposits for his business), he did draw down on an armed robber who attempted to rob a restaurant in which he was eating. The would-be criminal pulled out a .38, only to find himself facing my cousins DE .50, a .44 mag and 9mm Glock. Whoops! Needless to say, they disarmed him and held him for Dallas' finest to show up and take him to the House of Blue Lights.
PainMan ( talk) 00:40, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm no firearms expert either, but I think considerable report and muzzle flash could negatively affect self-defense because it might be disorienting, especially in a confined space where the sound waves are just going to reflect off all the walls and bombard your ears several times. If you miss your first shot, you're definitely going to want to make the next one, but if your ears are ringing and stars are dancing in your vision, that could be quite difficult, even without taking into consideration how large and heavy the Desert Eagle is.
Perhaps the sound waves could even disrupt the fluids in your inner ear, destroying your balance as well. However, that might be a stretch; the Desert Eagle is a loud gun, but its not like its a flashbang.
That's my two cents. FoxDiamond 19:56, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I noticed the popular culture section from 23:56, 12 January 2009 was promptly deleted via revert as though it were vandalism. Looking through the history I noticed there were past pop culture sections as well. Why are they all deleted? Splew ( talk) 01:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Please see WP:GUNS#Pop culture.-- LWF ( talk) 04:54, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Yeah yeah, EXCEPT that the DE is one of the most prolific weapons to come along and has developed a huge cult following. The article should be the exception to the rule.-- 71.246.30.208 ( talk) 10:38, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Interesting since most wikipedia gun articles are written by video game fanboys who never actually fire a real gun. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.198.89.243 ( talk) 11:44, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
I know that for a time, they sold barrels in .440 Cor-bon that you could order from them directly. I know this because I purchased one this way. Is there a reasonable way of incorporating this in the section? It's currently written as if no such beasts exist. Lagaman ( talk) 22:20, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I thought I remembered seeing a .22 conversion for this piece, as well. I'm guessing that it would have been around '94-'95 or so.... What sticks in my mind was that there was a warning that it would only fire a single shot at a time, and not automatic, which makes sense given the mechanism. I assume that it was an after-market conversion.... I'm not looking to change the article so much as I'm curious to see if the brain is still functioning or if this is a " brain fart". :) Thanks. -- Eliyahu S Talk 17:41, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
FYI there is a Brain fart article.-- 71.246.30.208 ( talk) 16:21, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
I have noticed a contradiction on the type of gas operation. In the (box table thingy) it says direct impingement. While in the section on the design, it describes long-stroke operation. Can I get confirmation of one or another? From what I understand (No, I don't own one.) it is long-stroke. 173.24.177.179 ( talk) 14:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
What are desert eagles designed for? Apart for the little info of "allows the Desert Eagle to compete in an area that had previously been dominated by magnum revolvers." I don't think it's stated what the purpose of the gun is. What is the area previously dominated by magnum revolvers? What was the desert eagle designed for? Is it designed for hunting? It's made by military industries, is it a military pistol? Just for show? Did someone make a big gun just for the sheer joy of making a big gun? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.243.149.101 ( talk) 16:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
The USA and Israel wanted to create the 'perfect' side arm to take down your enemy in one hit. ( TheGreenwalker ( talk) 15:26, 16 April 2010 (UTC))
I'm sorry, but that is what I read somewhere else before. ( TheGreenwalker ( talk) 17:22, 16 April 2010 (UTC))
I thought Wikipedia welcomes NPOVs? Maybe I was wrong then? If you are not being sarcastic, then maybe I will try and find this 'reliable source'. PS, I DON'T play, silly games on X-box, play station or any other silly things like that! ( TheGreenwalker ( talk) 19:10, 16 April 2010 (UTC))
Hello, should we add a section to confirm the armies/organisations that use the Desert Eagle? ( TheGreenwalker ( talk) 22:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC))
OK, I've just been researching and found out that no military in the world uses the Desert Eagle, because of it's size. However, in the article below, it confirms that collectors and gun enthusiasts like to have them. Should we add it?
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/desert-eagle-50-calibur.html
Thank you. ( TheGreenwalker ( talk) 15:22, 16 April 2010 (UTC))
OK, I've been researching and it is official. No armies, organisations use the Desert eagle, yet it is popular for target shooting, self-defence and hunting. Also, in the source I've found, the urban police in the states did use it for a little while, but stopped using them as they were too large and dangerours. Also, the US special forces reject using them, because of it's size.
http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/deserteagle.htm
( TheGreenwalker ( talk) 21:13, 23 April 2010 (UTC))
I have seen severlal special forces from police using this. gsg 9, sas, gign... they all use it... —Preceding
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Anything about the absurdly common belief that firing a desert eagle with one hand will break your wrist? Sera404 ( talk) 16:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm sure it's just meant as a joke, but someone might want to consider renaming the file name of the image used for the 10 inch barrel DE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.65.238.171 ( talk) 03:32, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
It will not break your wrist, but if your no holding it right, your wrist will hurt! Mr.AK-74 ( talk) 22:02, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
I don't find any reference saying that this weapon is only for gimmick because it is heavy, unreliable, small size of the magazine and overexpensive.
-- 190.21.144.107 ( talk) 01:15, 9 August 2011 (UTC)-- 190.21.144.107 ( talk) 01:15, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
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"The advantage of the gas operation is that it allows the use of far more powerful cartridges than traditional semi-automatic pistol designs." No citation for this, probably because it is simply untrue from an engineering perspective: gas operation is not necessary in order to design a pistol with "far more powerful" cartridges.
The most common pistol design is "short recoil": the Browning M1911, Browning Hi-Power, Beretta 92, SIG Pro, and Glocks, together with all their derivatives, are short-recoil. This same design principle is used by the Browning M2 heavy machine gun firing .50 BMG: obviously short recoil (and long recoil) operation is not inherently limited in the size of the cartridge that can be used. I will note that while most pistols are short-recoil operated, and the Browning M2 is far from unique in being large caliber short-recoil operation (e.g. Browning M1919 fires .30-06 which is a full powered rifle round), there's a notable lack of recoil (short or long) operated weapons between pistols and machineguns.
There are examples, including the Chauchat (long-recoil operation, 8mm Lebel rifle round), the Remington Model 8 (long-recoil operation, .25-.30 cal), Remington Auto-5 (long-recoil operation, shotgun), M1941 Johnson Rifle (short-recoil .30-06 rifle round). It is absolutely possible to design a short-recoil operation pistol firing, for example, .50 AE. The reason the Desert Eagle uses gas-operation is likely - but I cannot find any reputable source, and most of the internet is now regurgitating the misinformation here - for reasons of cost, weight, size, or reliability. This is not that same as being necessary, as the article suggests. The article really needs to explain the design considerations driving the selection of gas-operation over short-recoil and remove the misleading suggestion that short-recoil cannot be used for rounds like .44 Magnum or .50 AE. 114.198.23.97 ( talk) 13:53, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
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Magnum Research Desert Eagle – Magnum Research is the sole brand name under which it is and always has been sold. It is also the primary designer, and, as of 2019, the only manufacturer.
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I understand there was a recall on a batch because of a faulty firing pin. More info is needed regarding this, and specifically verification as to the recall itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SaturdayNightSpecial ( talk • contribs) 01:55, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
This handgun was actually designed in Israel. I thought this was a well-known fact. If I find corroborating references, can I change this entry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.243.137.56 ( talk) 23:06, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
As my comments here were not pleaded against with adequate sources-I changed the place of origin to both USA and Israel.-- Gilisa ( talk) 10:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
That's a copy of Wikipedia. It's a pretty obvious copy, too.-- LWF ( talk) 19:17, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that a lot of parts such as Size are generic, personal terms with no real data such as measuments, weight, etc. I will update it but if someone wants to help that would be great. Should a Bias tag be added to the entire article?
I've read several reports that limp-wristing is very common if you're trying to shoot the gun without a firm grip, due to the high recoil. Certainly I've seen more than one stovepipe, but nothing in the article mentions this now. - 205.251.80.95 09:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Requesting cleaning up this section, seems very biased, almost as if the person has never fired the desert eagle. I have fired many variants of the desert eagle. too many biased (uneducated?) opinions
Cherokee40 19:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I say clean up the article by killing that section. SouthernStang93 02:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree that issues regarding practicality that rely on anecdotal experience should not be posted. I personally find them to be terribly impractical for a variety of reasons (cost and availability of ammunition, weight, cost of firearm, availability of parts and accessories, size, etc.), but my personal indifference to this fire arm is my opinion - if you don't like it that is fine, but keep you personal views out of the article or provide peer reviewed research and create "criticisms" section.
Discussions of practicality must be based on good sources, but they should not be eliminated from the text altogether. The only reason I came to this page was to learn why the Desert Eagle was made, when it seems like such an impractical weapon. I'm sure I'm not the only one to come to this page for that reason, and I'm sure the person who wrote the original "practicality" section had this in mind. Something has to be added on this issue, because it IS relevant to understanding this weapon. 67.193.243.245 ( talk) 17:45, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
An anonymous user noted that the Mark VII was discontinued; the Magnum Research website still lists the Mark VII in 6 and 10 inch barrels. I'm going to dig a bit more into that and see if I can verify it's status; it could be out of production but still in stock (it's not like $1k hand cannons sell all that fast--well, except for the .45-70 T/C). scot 01:39, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Despite the fact that the company lists Minneapolis as its location on their website, it is actually located in Fridley, Mn. This is commonly done with addresses in first ring suburbs. I know this is a trivial detail, but I am going to change it nonetheless, both because it is more accurate and because I am adding Magnum Research to a list of companies located in Fridley. To verify this do a mapquest or google maps search for the address given on the company website, you will see that it is clearly in Fridley. Asedzie 11:41, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm changing all the IWI references back to IMI; my 26th Ed. Blue Book of Gun Values lists IMI and Saco as the makers; no IWI is listed in the Blue Book. If anyone can provide verifiable reference to an "IWI" (maybe IMI just changed their name?) then provide it and we can discuss what do do. scot 02:11, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
I recall back in the late-90s MR offered a stocked version of their pistols to the LEO/MIL market. It would be classed as a SBR, so civvies would have to jump through the NFA hoops.
It must have not be very successful, because I only recollect seeing one ad for it.
Anyone else remember this?
Per the AfD, I've condensed the Desert Eagle In Popular Culture list into a paragraph with a few examples of it's use. IMO I do not feel it is neccessary to add EVERY appearance it has made in movies or video games. Manmonk 04:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Desert Eagle was a gun used by the main character in the game, Ray, with animation very similar to South Park. Ray is a game found on "heavygames.com". I'm not trying to advertise. -- 66.218.12.60 02:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I Did not think you were persay advertising but i dought its that notable.( ForeverDEAD 00:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC))
Brought back the popular culture section. It's short, vague, and reference-less. Hopefully it'll be shaped up over time =p FoxDiamond 00:50, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
If some sources are added, especially for the "deagle" part I think that the popular culture section will be excellent. It avoids trivia better left to tvtropes and gives a brief overview. Stargate70 ( talk) 03:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Brought back pop DE in Media again, Quoting WP:whatever doesn't do any good because it is obvious that one or more people think that they own this page and they care not one whit for precedence. Nor have they noticed that Wikipedpia is frought with inconsistencies in the moribound bureaucratic rules which seem to proliferate here.-- 71.246.30.208 ( talk) 10:36, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
The second and third paragraphs in the Practicality section contain a lot of personal views. It needs to be an objective analysis to have a NPOV. - D'Agosta 20:48, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I think something needs to be added to the part about Practicality. I'm not sure about the stove pipe thing but since that's a common limpwristing problem on many handguns I don't think it should be pointed out as just a DE thing.
"This weapon is very powerful, however, the huge recoil and size make this gun hard to control. Additionally, the .50 AE cartridge is simply deemed by many to be unnecessarily powerful for self-defense or military purposes."
That part about recoil is subjective to the person shooting it. I'm a small person and I thought the .50 Desert Eagle was pretty tame especially in comparison to some revolvers I've shot. I thought a .44 Mag kicks more than this thing. Saying it has "huge recoil" and suggesting it is hard to control is subjective. Maybe for someone new to firearms but once again I think this statement is subjective. The second sentence quoted needs to be cited (although I agree with it.) The paragraph immediately following the quote above (about recoil) seems to turn around and suggest the recoil is less (which I agree with.) Makes it a bit confusing. 74.131.56.240 19:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Is "Deagle" commonly used to refer to the Desert Eagle or is that just a Counter strike thing? -- Ortzinator 21:01, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
So what is the consensus concerning this issue? Does anyone think that this term should at least be mentioned? I have heard the Desert Eagle called a "Deagle" by quite a few people for quite a while, and as such I believe that it deserves to be at least mentioned somewhere. Thoughts? -- OranL ( talk) 18:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Personally I think it should be at least mentioned. It's not just a Counter-Strike or Rainbow Six thing; gamers on the whole typically refer to the gun as a Deagle (and apparently so do people in Ghettos). "Deagle" is practically a word/name in its own right now, even if many fans of this weapon despise it. FoxDiamond 22:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have a picture of someone actually holding a Desert Eagle? I know it's referred to as large, but I can't find a picture of someone holding the gun through Google.
-- 58.179.115.136 10:25, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Millsy 02:38, 29 April 2007 (UTC) I have a few pictures of my hand holding a desert eagle. (.357, Mark VII) I don't know if it is a good reference though, as I have large hands (which is why I like the Desert eagle as much as I do, the grip is perfect for me) Links for now I'll upload them if someone else thinks they are good. First shot Second
How do you fix the main Desert Eagle page from saying "You're all fags" back to the original?
ive got a good image, Ill try and upload it soon
Well, we now have a scale picture in the article. I realized that a picture of someone holding it is still subject to scale problems, so I used a CD instead. Most everyone does know how big a CD is after all.-- LWF 19:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
How do you change the main page from the idiot who wrote "You're all fags", back to the original?
Other than a reference to U.S.-based production in 1995-2000, there's no indication of dates. When were the various marks first produced? Belltower 21:18, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be a slight dilemma in this article over the country the Desert Eagle originates from. I was wondering if we could weigh in on which country is the true country of origin, Israel, or the United States of America. The main problem is that the original design and patent originated in the USA, and were then refined by Israel, which then was given a license to manufacture Desert Eagles. This creates the problem of whether we go with the original design's origin, or if we go with first mass-producing country. I personally think that in this case it should be America, as the design is of American origin, and I license to manufacture being issued by an American company lends credence to the idea that the design's country of origin is the USA. Please tell me what you think and weigh in on this discussion.-- LWF 03:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Nice pic, truly scary sight :) Anon 003 18:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be more information about the performance and handling of the weapon? Including in relation to other calibers? Alexander 13:01, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not interested in caliber performance, as I'm well aware there are individual pages for such things. What am interested in is the performance of the weapon itself, and how it stacks up to weapons of similar design/caliber/class. Say we use the DE .44 as an example, well, how does it compare to other .44 pistols? Or other large bore autoloading pistols? How does the weapon in and of itself handle? What is the recoil, weight, refire rate, etc. Obviously one pistol will have different performance characteristics than another, even if they they are very similar. Adding information on such things is valuable to potential gun owners, as well as those who wish to understand as much as possible about something. I myself do not know this information for this particular weapon, but I'm sure someone on Wikipedia does. Alexander 04:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
The Jane's Infantry Weapons for 1989-90 indicates that the Desert Eagle was, at one point, chambered for the .41 AE cartridge. Though authoritative, I believe the Jane's guide may be in error and the researcher may have confused the .41 Magnum with the .41AE. Having said all that, if the pistol in question was ever chambered for the aforementioned cartridged, perhaps it should be added. 68.116.99.232 ( talk) 21:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't like the placement of this image, and I don't really think it contributes anything to the article. In addition, the image just doesn't look natural. I think that it should be removed from the article, but if anyone else thinks it could be moved to another area of the article, then please respond. -- OranL ( talk) 16:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Plenty of input now. I haven't heard from anybody (else) who likes this picture or thinks it belongs in the article. I believe I will switch on over to the article and delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcumpston ( talk • contribs) 23:42, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone explain why "drum" is listed under feed system? There is probably no such thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.84.44.140 ( talk) 21:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
http://www.modelguns.co.uk/images/ThompDrum.jpg -- Mcumpston ( talk) 21:34, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I can understand that, but are there any for the desert eagle? The link you put up was for the Thompson.
Probably not. One of the sites that hawks Desert eagles also has a drum fed gun. They put the advertising blurb together in such a way as to make it sound like the desert eagle has a drum mag: The SpecialistsIMI Desert Eagle .50AE Tremendous power coupled with high recoil make this handgun ... and can fire up to 360 rounds per minute from its drum magazine. ... www.specialistsmod.net/weapons/weapons.html - 32k - Cached - Similar pages that might have made its way into one of the revisions.
Desert Eagle → Magnum Research Desert Eagle — See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Firearms#Naming for naming conventions this article should have the manufactures name before the model of the pistol — MRIanthony ( talk) 17:58, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.MRIanthony ( talk) 17:59, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Oppose This gun is pretty well known and by its common name rather than any link with its manufacturer's name, the wikipedia naming conventions are pretty clear on common vs official names. Narson ( talk) 22:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Im re-opening this becuase i have thought of a compromise. "Desert Eagle" to "Desert Eagle pistol". Thoughts? БοņёŠɓɤĭĠ₳₯є 20:00, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Naming The names of firearm articles should start with the proper name of the manufacturer, followed by the firearm's name. Examples of this policy are Heckler & Koch MP7 instead of MP7 or Smith & Wesson Model 1006 instead of S&W Model 1006. Exceptions to this are firearms named with military designations such as M16 rifle or AK-47. See WP:WEAPON#Naming conventions for the guideline on naming military firearms.
I think that for the moment we should hold off on renaming this one. The Desert Eagle is an unusual case because of the way by which it came into being. I would suggest that the WikiProject Firearms discuss this first, and come to a consensus on what to do when one company owns the design, and another makes it and sells some, while the first distributes it.
I've been curious about this for awhile, but I can't find any information on it anywhere. Does anyone know why the .50AE Desert Eagle lacks a fluted barrel, whereas just about every other (XIX) model has one? Thanks in advance. FoxDiamond 22:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps a link to the Modern Firearms article would be of some benefit as it includes a photo of the original design. [11] 68.116.99.78 ( talk) 22:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I believe the following statement, as it is unsourced, to be an NPOV violation:
Due to its size, weight, and considerable report and muzzle flash, it is a clumsy and somewhat unwieldy weapon for self-defense purposes.
I'm no firearms expert, but I cannot see how "muzzle flash" and "considerable report" could negatively effect self-defense? If one is committing a murder, yeah, these could be drawbacks. If, however, you're legally defending yourself, a loud noise and big flash can only hurry the police to your side (because if a perp in hanging about when you've capped off anti-aircraft gun, you're obviously dealing with a mentally unstable individually!).
Some people may well feel that way, but without a source, it's just an editor's opinion and, thus, I think it should be removed unless a source to back it up can be found; e.g. a review in a firearms magazine or website.
I have a cousin who carries this weapon for self-defense and he tells me he has no problem "clearing leather". Tho', fortunately, he hasn't had to use it for self-defense (he carries makes big cash deposits for his business), he did draw down on an armed robber who attempted to rob a restaurant in which he was eating. The would-be criminal pulled out a .38, only to find himself facing my cousins DE .50, a .44 mag and 9mm Glock. Whoops! Needless to say, they disarmed him and held him for Dallas' finest to show up and take him to the House of Blue Lights.
PainMan ( talk) 00:40, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm no firearms expert either, but I think considerable report and muzzle flash could negatively affect self-defense because it might be disorienting, especially in a confined space where the sound waves are just going to reflect off all the walls and bombard your ears several times. If you miss your first shot, you're definitely going to want to make the next one, but if your ears are ringing and stars are dancing in your vision, that could be quite difficult, even without taking into consideration how large and heavy the Desert Eagle is.
Perhaps the sound waves could even disrupt the fluids in your inner ear, destroying your balance as well. However, that might be a stretch; the Desert Eagle is a loud gun, but its not like its a flashbang.
That's my two cents. FoxDiamond 19:56, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I noticed the popular culture section from 23:56, 12 January 2009 was promptly deleted via revert as though it were vandalism. Looking through the history I noticed there were past pop culture sections as well. Why are they all deleted? Splew ( talk) 01:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Please see WP:GUNS#Pop culture.-- LWF ( talk) 04:54, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Yeah yeah, EXCEPT that the DE is one of the most prolific weapons to come along and has developed a huge cult following. The article should be the exception to the rule.-- 71.246.30.208 ( talk) 10:38, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Interesting since most wikipedia gun articles are written by video game fanboys who never actually fire a real gun. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.198.89.243 ( talk) 11:44, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
I know that for a time, they sold barrels in .440 Cor-bon that you could order from them directly. I know this because I purchased one this way. Is there a reasonable way of incorporating this in the section? It's currently written as if no such beasts exist. Lagaman ( talk) 22:20, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I thought I remembered seeing a .22 conversion for this piece, as well. I'm guessing that it would have been around '94-'95 or so.... What sticks in my mind was that there was a warning that it would only fire a single shot at a time, and not automatic, which makes sense given the mechanism. I assume that it was an after-market conversion.... I'm not looking to change the article so much as I'm curious to see if the brain is still functioning or if this is a " brain fart". :) Thanks. -- Eliyahu S Talk 17:41, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
FYI there is a Brain fart article.-- 71.246.30.208 ( talk) 16:21, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
I have noticed a contradiction on the type of gas operation. In the (box table thingy) it says direct impingement. While in the section on the design, it describes long-stroke operation. Can I get confirmation of one or another? From what I understand (No, I don't own one.) it is long-stroke. 173.24.177.179 ( talk) 14:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
What are desert eagles designed for? Apart for the little info of "allows the Desert Eagle to compete in an area that had previously been dominated by magnum revolvers." I don't think it's stated what the purpose of the gun is. What is the area previously dominated by magnum revolvers? What was the desert eagle designed for? Is it designed for hunting? It's made by military industries, is it a military pistol? Just for show? Did someone make a big gun just for the sheer joy of making a big gun? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.243.149.101 ( talk) 16:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
The USA and Israel wanted to create the 'perfect' side arm to take down your enemy in one hit. ( TheGreenwalker ( talk) 15:26, 16 April 2010 (UTC))
I'm sorry, but that is what I read somewhere else before. ( TheGreenwalker ( talk) 17:22, 16 April 2010 (UTC))
I thought Wikipedia welcomes NPOVs? Maybe I was wrong then? If you are not being sarcastic, then maybe I will try and find this 'reliable source'. PS, I DON'T play, silly games on X-box, play station or any other silly things like that! ( TheGreenwalker ( talk) 19:10, 16 April 2010 (UTC))
Hello, should we add a section to confirm the armies/organisations that use the Desert Eagle? ( TheGreenwalker ( talk) 22:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC))
OK, I've just been researching and found out that no military in the world uses the Desert Eagle, because of it's size. However, in the article below, it confirms that collectors and gun enthusiasts like to have them. Should we add it?
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/desert-eagle-50-calibur.html
Thank you. ( TheGreenwalker ( talk) 15:22, 16 April 2010 (UTC))
OK, I've been researching and it is official. No armies, organisations use the Desert eagle, yet it is popular for target shooting, self-defence and hunting. Also, in the source I've found, the urban police in the states did use it for a little while, but stopped using them as they were too large and dangerours. Also, the US special forces reject using them, because of it's size.
http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/deserteagle.htm
( TheGreenwalker ( talk) 21:13, 23 April 2010 (UTC))
I have seen severlal special forces from police using this. gsg 9, sas, gign... they all use it... —Preceding
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I thought it was made for taking out a vehicle at a somewhat close range. (
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Anything about the absurdly common belief that firing a desert eagle with one hand will break your wrist? Sera404 ( talk) 16:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm sure it's just meant as a joke, but someone might want to consider renaming the file name of the image used for the 10 inch barrel DE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.65.238.171 ( talk) 03:32, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
It will not break your wrist, but if your no holding it right, your wrist will hurt! Mr.AK-74 ( talk) 22:02, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
I don't find any reference saying that this weapon is only for gimmick because it is heavy, unreliable, small size of the magazine and overexpensive.
-- 190.21.144.107 ( talk) 01:15, 9 August 2011 (UTC)-- 190.21.144.107 ( talk) 01:15, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Hey. Been contributing to this page for a while now and helped to clean it up. Anyway, I added the flags for Israel and the United States to the infobox. It makes the article look more professional and also adds a link to the countries. Hope you guys like it. ( Burmiester ( talk) 21:44, 17 July 2013 (UTC))
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"The advantage of the gas operation is that it allows the use of far more powerful cartridges than traditional semi-automatic pistol designs." No citation for this, probably because it is simply untrue from an engineering perspective: gas operation is not necessary in order to design a pistol with "far more powerful" cartridges.
The most common pistol design is "short recoil": the Browning M1911, Browning Hi-Power, Beretta 92, SIG Pro, and Glocks, together with all their derivatives, are short-recoil. This same design principle is used by the Browning M2 heavy machine gun firing .50 BMG: obviously short recoil (and long recoil) operation is not inherently limited in the size of the cartridge that can be used. I will note that while most pistols are short-recoil operated, and the Browning M2 is far from unique in being large caliber short-recoil operation (e.g. Browning M1919 fires .30-06 which is a full powered rifle round), there's a notable lack of recoil (short or long) operated weapons between pistols and machineguns.
There are examples, including the Chauchat (long-recoil operation, 8mm Lebel rifle round), the Remington Model 8 (long-recoil operation, .25-.30 cal), Remington Auto-5 (long-recoil operation, shotgun), M1941 Johnson Rifle (short-recoil .30-06 rifle round). It is absolutely possible to design a short-recoil operation pistol firing, for example, .50 AE. The reason the Desert Eagle uses gas-operation is likely - but I cannot find any reputable source, and most of the internet is now regurgitating the misinformation here - for reasons of cost, weight, size, or reliability. This is not that same as being necessary, as the article suggests. The article really needs to explain the design considerations driving the selection of gas-operation over short-recoil and remove the misleading suggestion that short-recoil cannot be used for rounds like .44 Magnum or .50 AE. 114.198.23.97 ( talk) 13:53, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
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Magnum Research Desert Eagle – Magnum Research is the sole brand name under which it is and always has been sold. It is also the primary designer, and, as of 2019, the only manufacturer.
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