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New users are required to sign up on sister sites (ex. amazon) which is just a money grab before that use can post topics on IMDb.com Very disappointed with IMDb for that.
So, can someone send me their old IMDb account? I’d very much appreciare it.
-G
I'm not keen on wildly distributing my personal phone number, which may be sold for commercial purposes. But, I’ll reconsider it and may just have to “bite the bullet” in order to use IMDb. But I’d still appreciate someone offering their old or multi account.
-G
Under the History section,
"Google Groups coverage of rec.arts.movies is incomplete during the relevant time period, with a 6-month gap in late 1988 and early 1989 and a number of missing articles after that. [2]"
Is the timeframe for that correct? Or is it referring to Yahoo! instead? Diulama 03:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I've been unable to find a way to search the IMDb message boards, and imdb.com/robots.txt does not invite spiders to visit the boards. Surely, this limits some aspects of their usefulness. Is there any way to search the message boards? Should this lack be noted factually in the article?
To the user who made the following comments in an edit: Restore legitimate criticims minus POV words, which should have been edited in lieu of suppressing the criticisms entirely. Article needs monitoring against pro-IMDb POV vandalism
Regarding your comments above, would you mind referring to Wikipedia:Civil guidelines which asks editors not to make "ill-considered accusations of impropriety of one kind or another"? Please also assume good faith on the part other editors. If you look at my contributions, you will see that I have made quite a detailed analysis of the flaws of the rating system used on IMDb. Although it is tempting to use emotive or extreme terms in making points, in my experience the points are actually made far more compellingly by letting facts speak for themselves.
A balanced decision must be made regarding whether edits are worth amending given the quantity and nature of issues pertaining to Wiki guidelines and policy. Please note that the whole ‘’criticisms’’ section is still subject to a request for verification as per Wikipedia:Verifiability. While I think some important points are made, unfortunatley most of the section does not meet the necessary criteria. I will soon be recommending that most of the section is deleted. I personally spent some time researching material to support these criticisms or related points. I appreciate the difficulties in doing this but without meeting reasonable criteria, as I’m sure you will understand, there is no way to know objectively verify whether the criticisms are valid.
I note that you have not cited any sources in support of the criticisms you made. On balance, however, most of them appear to be sensible statements of fact that can be verified by looking at the site itself and so forth, so I did not raise this issue. However, I have made more amendments to conform to NPOV. Common sense needs to be used on this and most guidelines. Please let’s work together to make points for and against in line with the Wiki policy and guidelines – not for the sake of it, but because the guidelines are valuable for developing quality articles. Cheers Holon 02:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Why don't you do something productive, like searching for the kind of citations you want yourself? And before you go deleting entire sections because of a word or sentence you perceives as POV, why don't you figure out a compromising rewrite? You seem to be one of those people who make Wikipedia impossible to take seriously or work with, a chronic fault-finder and nit-picker who is unable to contribute anything of value to an effort, but has plenty to say about what's "wrong" with it. Your lengthy POV defenses of IMDb from any and all criticism - to the point of threatening to recommend the entire Criticisms section (which appears only to bother you and Steve Crook) be summarily deleted at the wave of your magic wand - are becoming most tiresome. What is your real name? 12.73.196.186 14:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, everyone should give their real name and not hide behind a nom de plume - or an anonymous IP address :) SteveCrook 16:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Holon 01:03, 8 May 2006 (UTC) Thanks for your constructive comments 12.73.196.186.
The verifiability policy is as follows:
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Please take particular note of 3 in response to your question "Why don't you do something productive, like searching for the kind of citations you want yourself?".
I have placed the {{ Fact}} tag on the comments I think are most in need verification. As per Wikipedia policy, the criterion is not that the truth of criticisms is necessarily verified, but it must be possible to at least verifiy that the criticisms have been made in a reliable source. I think that if at least a few of these points are verified, the credibility of the section will be enhanced and it may become reasonable to remove remaining tags on the basis that the section is on balance generally well researched and founded. I did some research and found an article which mentioned specific errors being incorporated on IMDb then removed, so this should be verifiable (I'll do so if I can find it again). Criticisms should be voiced for balance in achieving a NPOV, however the additions to the section frequently read like complaints and are unverifiable (I know some of them to be either valid or plausible from experience with use of IMDb, but this is not enough). Specific points need to be verified to be retained. It does no good to the credibility of the article as a whole to have a number of points that cannot reasonably be verified in reliable sources. Holon 03:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I'm new here, so delete this if you don't like it, I woun't mind. I just wanted to pass a idea for an article about where imdb get's its data. Most of it is from volintary contributors, and the site lists the top 100 anually. So I thought it would be nice to have that on wikipedia as well as some aditional info. What do you think? (contribution by 213.213.134.251, 3 May 2006)
It's already there, in the main Overview it says Information is largely provided by a cadre of volunteers with expertise in various areas of film history. Please sign all comments using four tildes (~~~~
)
SteveCrook
23:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be nice to have an article about the top contributers? -- Steinninn 13:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Is the discussion of the statistical properties of the rating system really appropriate? Besides the fact that it just reads as being out of place, the lack of citations makes it perilously close to violating WP:NOR Liamdaly620 13:36, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
It could be factible to made one. A wiki is a great idea,all people can review the reliability of the data and it his update super instant. has more advantages than the IMDB.- Atenea26 13:15 , 19 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree. About moving the flaws of rating system to criticisms. While it is appropriate to make a brief comment there, the plan still remains to move a substantial amount of the rest of the discussion to another article. Holon 12:16, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
I deleted this text:
because I couldn't figure out what it was trying to say. What does "directly have" mean? -- JHunterJ 12:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
I have referenced the article which has appropriate information about use of averages for ordinal data. I am happy to cite any number of texts which say the same thing: averages should not be used for ordinal data. This is unnecessary though as Wikipedia already has an article on the subject with references, including to the original 1946 article by Stevens on the topic. The burden of proof lies with the person collecting data and computing averages to show that this is justified. It is not necessary to cite evidence that data are not interval-level when no evidence at all has been provided that they are interval-level. It is simply an observation related to a fact that is readily verified in any text on elementary stats and the like.
Also, I'm happy to leave out very in the description very misleading. Here are the facts though. (1) IMDb does not publish any information which would be accepted in a peer-reviewed article to support the fact that the data are interval-level measurements which means that at best they might claim they are ordinal data. (2) It is widely accepted that averages cannot be calculated for data ordinal data. (3) IMDb claims to be using proven statistical methods including weighted averages, when no kind of average is justified for the data. It is not just misleading -- it's plain nonsensical. So leave it out if you want. Let's not pretend though that this is a POV statement. It is actually an very tame description of patent nonsense. Holon 12:03, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
That's it: people won't bother calling out the IMDb in particular, then why should Wikipedia? That Wikipedia is doing it "alone" is what catches my attention. But I wish someone else would chime in here. :-) JHunterJ 01:26, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
1. The site does not call itself "The Internet Movie Database" throughout as Thorpe stated above, if you read the help pages and other info pages they generally refer to themselves as "IMDb" more than anything else. Unsigned contribution by 69.157.104.89 23:41, 29 May (UTC)
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SteveCrook
05:31, 30 May 2006 (UTC)2. POV. I came here looking for some DATA about the history of IMDb. Although I did find the DATA that I was looking for, I came away from this article with the impression that someone with an axe to grind wrote it. It has a very negative tone and strikes me as the rantings of someone who got banned from their chat boards. In particular, this phrase:
"The use of any kind of average is inappropriate because the level of measurement of movie ratings of this kind is ordinal"
is not appropriate at all here. To sum it up, after trying to plow through all the pointless garbage above, IMDb's opinion is that their statistical analysis methods are acceptable and this jackass' opinion is that they are not. THAT IS OPINION. NOT DATA. Take it somewhere else.
As I see more and more crap like this in Wikipedia, it encourages me to use it less and less, and even discourage others from using it as well. Wikipedia just can't be trusted. Unsigned contribution by 69.157.104.89 23:41, 29 May (UTC)
I think that most of your complaints seem to be with the Wiki itself rather than with just this article.
SteveCrook
05:49, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
'To sum it up, after trying to plow through all the pointless garbage above, IMDb's opinion is that their statistical analysis methods are acceptable and this jackass' opinion is that they are not. THAT IS OPINION. NOT DATA. Take it somewhere else.'
I have to wonder why you'd want to comment on something about which you clearly know nothing at all. This sort of point has been responded to above. I continue to be perplexed as to what leads people to believe that IMDb is an authority on measurement and statistics. It is not. It does not cite any scientific research to support its claims. I am not aware of it having any links to research institutions. No authority is invoked on its page regarding the use of weighted means and "proven" methods.
So while I agree with the general comment regarding some of the crticisims, it's not just this jackass' 'opinion' the data are ordinal or that averages are not justifiable for ordinal data .... for example [4] (restaurant ratings) [5] (rating displays) [6] (ref to rating scales) [7] (comment on rating stats appropriate to rating scales). [8] (rating bands as example of ordinal data) [9] (ref to ratings) [10] (ref to movie ratings) [11] (rating food as example). IMDb is free to publish data in this way if it so chooses. However, it is entirely legitimate to point out the problems associated with doing so. Plenty of others publish these sorts of averages, and so it is reasonable to point out the problems in every case, which is the reason for creating a new article as per the good suggestion above. Holon 09:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I could not find any parts in the article that mentioned that the IMDB is infamous for being innacurate, hence its nickname. If there isn't anything in there, there probably should be. (posted by KX-34 on 8 June 2006)
That's also in violation of WP:NPOV, though I agree about the inaccuracies. Mike 7 00:02, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
The user comments for a film are not in chronological order. How is the order decided then? I have only skimmed the article and searched for 'user comments'. To my surprise no hits. I suppose this is one of the most used parts of imdb, so is it named differently? Surely there should be some mention of it. DirkvdM 07:37, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
The accuracy would probably be greatly improved, as it is currently rubbish, and the more obscure shows would get more coverage. {````} - Unsigned comment by 195.82.104.122 22:04 8 July 2006
I't seems that IMDB is objective for vandal attacks. Today there are 2 reverts. what do you think about blocking this page to anonymous users, in order to prevent vandalism? -- User:Atenea26, 13:30 , 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I was trying trying to put a reference, but the format was wrong so I messed the page-- User:Atenea26, 10:30 , 15 July 2006 (UTC)
A citation is called for the following passage: Over the last five years the George W. Bush, Michael Jackson and Soapbox message boards (and, to a lesser extent, the Fahrenheit 9/11 and The Passion of the Christ message boards and other message boards for political and religious personas) have been major targets for heated debate, ranting and trolling. Would a link to those message boards, where one could see this is the case, suffice? -- Mr Beale 22:50, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Re: your following "correction": "TV episodes - Not true. There is now no distinction between regulars and guests)"
Sorry, but the information about IMDb confusing guests and regulars is VERY true. While the IMDb does shy away from actually using the words "guest" and "regular," all you have to do to verify the inaccuracies is look up a few TV shows on the IMDb. Neve Campbell (to list just one example out of dozens, to give you an idea of what I'm talking about) was a regular on the show "Party of Five" for years. The IMDb lists her as having appeared in only eight episodes. Meanwhile, actors who really have appeared on the show only once or twice or a handful of times (and would thus qualify as "guest stars") are often listed in the show's cast list rather than the page for specific episodes, which would be much more accurate. My reference/source is the IMDb itself, and it bears repeating that, before you argue with me or casually remove this information again, please look up a few shows on the IMDb to see for yourself. -- Minaker
I think that the wording of your latest alteration is very confusing, but at least we're getting somewhere, and I appreciate your trying to clarify matters in the article rather than just reverting or launching into some sort of verbal attack as some Wikipedia editors do with each other. (By the way, this was not my intent either, and I apologize if my statements above seem too aggressive.) I still feel that this article, as it's currently worded, does not adequately convey the state of confusion in so many of the IMDb's TV pages. You may provide an explanation here on the talk page, but that doesn't change the fact that many cast members (as I had originally stated) are not mentioned at all in the cast listings for such shows as "Kidnapped," "The Nine," and many others. This is a glaring omission that occurs time and again on the IMDb. And while it's true that the IMDb doesn't specifically use the words "guest star" and "regular," as you correctly point out, if Neve Campbell (to use my above example) appeared in nearly every episode of "Party of Five, she is a regular, while the IMDb's statement that she was in only eight episodes indicates that she was merely a guest, even if the words "guest star" aren't used. These are the IMDb inaccuracies I have been referring to. You're welcome to try to clarify these points in the article, but I still think that they need to be addressed; your explanation on this talk page for the reasons behind the errors doesn't make them any less worthy of mention in the article. For now, I will refrain from changing the article again, because I don't want to get into some sort of revert war, but I do think that my original statements have some merit, even if they needed clarification. -- Minaker
Regarding your comment that "If you care enough to write these comments, you should care enough to do something about it and submit the correct data for the series that you know about": I don't mean to sound lazy, but it's one thing to make corrections or engage in discussion on Wikipedia, a site which makes it easy (some even say too easy) to alter content. The IMDb is an entirely different matter, in which every single correction is a several-step process. Then, once you've finally submitted any one correction, let alone the dozens that we're talking about here, the people who run IMDb take an indefinite amount of time to review the new information. Surely you know about this failing if you're a "long time IMDb contributor"; these issues are even addressed (to a degree) in this very article. Sorry to be a bit repetitive here, but your argument that I should correct errors on the IMDb if I see them still doesn't change the fact that those errors exist (until they are corrected by me or someone else) and therefore deserve mention in this article. -- Minaker
Your argument that someone should correct errors on the IMDb still doesn't change the fact that those errors exist and therefore deserve mention in this article. At this point, you are no longer trying to work out a solution, nor are you concerned about Wikipedia accuracy; you're just being stubborn, as you have clearly ignored both the arguments above and the point of Wikipedia accuracy. Specific examples are cited, but you choose to ignore those too. Your own opinion on whether the IMDb is reliable is purely subjective, an argument backed up by specific examples is not. Unless you have some sort of actual REASON for changing this other than your own stubbornness or RESPONSE to this argument other than the fact that you just don't like people complaining about a site you contribute to, please do not revert changes. Once again, and I only repeat this because you have not listened to it the previous times I've said it, an argument that someone should correct errors on the IMDb doesn't change the fact that those errors exist. Wikipedia is about facts, not a reflection of how you think the world should be. Minaker 04:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Well I'm clearly outvoted here, so I guess I won't fight this anymore if the decision is apparently to just throw accuracy and Wikipedia rules out the window. You've got me convinced, Wikipedia is no place for actually talking about stupid things like details and facts. Minaker 23:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
How does one apply for board administrator?
Not a priority, but as IMDB's homepage has been slightly redesigned {searchbox), can someone update the image in the article to reflect the change? Bswee 18:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Are there any pictures of the IMDB homepages in older verious??? Like ones from when it first started and on wards, it would be interesting to see them. RaptorRobot 06:40, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
You can find the old versions at http://www.archive.org -- Steinninn 13:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
RAJESH KHANNA THE ROMANTIC HERO OF ALL TIMES IS THE ONLY SUPER STAR OF INDIAN CINEMA. HE IS A GREATEST OF ALL ACTORS —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.163.88.180 ( talk) 09:03, 30 December 2006 (UTC).
Whatever happened to this site? It used to be a fantastic site where people could make their own top-20 alltime lists of movies, but suddenly it's just gone, and it seems like it never existed. When you try typing www.ymdb.com it just goes straight to the www.imdb.com, did IMDb buy the rights to the popular YMDb-name, or did they sue their way to getting the name, or what? KnatLouie 30 December 2006
Should something be mentioned about the IMDb user who was arrested for the posts he made? In case you don't know, some User was arrested for threatening to kill teenage actresses, and posting pics of him with guns. I'll need to do a bit more research, but I think it at least deserves mention. -- MasterA113 13:22, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
The IMDb#Trivia section doesn't seem right to me.
I won't make the changes now, because I think we need to agree on what to include: do we need to say which actor is 00000001? What should the threshold for votes be? Do we want to list the actual oldest movies in the database (two titles from 1888)? Pruneau talk 11:33, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
When i look at
http://www.imdb.com/chart/top then I see:
1. 9.1 The Godfather (1972) 202,883
2. 9.1 The Shawshank Redemption (1994) 243,043
When I look at the pages of these movies (
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068646/ and
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111161/ )
then I see that the shawshank redemption has User Rating: 9.2/10 (243,043 votes)
and the godfather has User Rating: 9.1/10 (202,883 votes)
So the godfather has a lower user rating and less votes, doesn't this mean that number 1 and 2 should be switched in the top 250 ? Or am I missing something here ?
-- Garo 22:55, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Just like CNN this article should be under the name it's most commonly referred to as, which is IMDb rather than Internet Movie Database. Yonatan talk 23:40, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Could we change the screenshot to someone less cliche? Like Sean Connery or Leonard Nimoy or something. Except not either of those, but you get my point. How about Samuel L Jackson -- Krakko 01:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Something needs to be mentioned about the new authentication system (new accounts must be verified with an amazon.com account, credit-card or (some) cell phone sms networks before new users are able to post on the board system). This is quite a burden on new users. McDanger 17:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
At the end of the Overview section, it says:
"Many of these (message boards) are quite heated and sometimes slump into endless pages of insults very easily."
Although I agree with the sentiment (indeed, they can get quite insulting), is this a valid thing to include in Wikipedia or does it stray into original research? Ccm043 04:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus to move, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 00:59, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Internet Movie Database → IMDb — just like CNN, the more commonly used name Yonatan talk 22:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
99.6 million results for imdb compared to "internet+movie+database"&btnG=Search 42.7 million results for Internet Movie Database. Yonatan talk 00:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that some of the articles (for example The, A, An in English) are now placed at the beginning of titles, and not at the end (with a comma) as it was before. I'll appreciate any information regarding these recent changes, as the relevant FAQ ( http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?titleformat) does not mention them. -David Born —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.130.142.194 ( talk) 13:27, 17 April 2007 (UTC).
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New users are required to sign up on sister sites (ex. amazon) which is just a money grab before that use can post topics on IMDb.com Very disappointed with IMDb for that.
So, can someone send me their old IMDb account? I’d very much appreciare it.
-G
I'm not keen on wildly distributing my personal phone number, which may be sold for commercial purposes. But, I’ll reconsider it and may just have to “bite the bullet” in order to use IMDb. But I’d still appreciate someone offering their old or multi account.
-G
Under the History section,
"Google Groups coverage of rec.arts.movies is incomplete during the relevant time period, with a 6-month gap in late 1988 and early 1989 and a number of missing articles after that. [2]"
Is the timeframe for that correct? Or is it referring to Yahoo! instead? Diulama 03:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I've been unable to find a way to search the IMDb message boards, and imdb.com/robots.txt does not invite spiders to visit the boards. Surely, this limits some aspects of their usefulness. Is there any way to search the message boards? Should this lack be noted factually in the article?
To the user who made the following comments in an edit: Restore legitimate criticims minus POV words, which should have been edited in lieu of suppressing the criticisms entirely. Article needs monitoring against pro-IMDb POV vandalism
Regarding your comments above, would you mind referring to Wikipedia:Civil guidelines which asks editors not to make "ill-considered accusations of impropriety of one kind or another"? Please also assume good faith on the part other editors. If you look at my contributions, you will see that I have made quite a detailed analysis of the flaws of the rating system used on IMDb. Although it is tempting to use emotive or extreme terms in making points, in my experience the points are actually made far more compellingly by letting facts speak for themselves.
A balanced decision must be made regarding whether edits are worth amending given the quantity and nature of issues pertaining to Wiki guidelines and policy. Please note that the whole ‘’criticisms’’ section is still subject to a request for verification as per Wikipedia:Verifiability. While I think some important points are made, unfortunatley most of the section does not meet the necessary criteria. I will soon be recommending that most of the section is deleted. I personally spent some time researching material to support these criticisms or related points. I appreciate the difficulties in doing this but without meeting reasonable criteria, as I’m sure you will understand, there is no way to know objectively verify whether the criticisms are valid.
I note that you have not cited any sources in support of the criticisms you made. On balance, however, most of them appear to be sensible statements of fact that can be verified by looking at the site itself and so forth, so I did not raise this issue. However, I have made more amendments to conform to NPOV. Common sense needs to be used on this and most guidelines. Please let’s work together to make points for and against in line with the Wiki policy and guidelines – not for the sake of it, but because the guidelines are valuable for developing quality articles. Cheers Holon 02:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Why don't you do something productive, like searching for the kind of citations you want yourself? And before you go deleting entire sections because of a word or sentence you perceives as POV, why don't you figure out a compromising rewrite? You seem to be one of those people who make Wikipedia impossible to take seriously or work with, a chronic fault-finder and nit-picker who is unable to contribute anything of value to an effort, but has plenty to say about what's "wrong" with it. Your lengthy POV defenses of IMDb from any and all criticism - to the point of threatening to recommend the entire Criticisms section (which appears only to bother you and Steve Crook) be summarily deleted at the wave of your magic wand - are becoming most tiresome. What is your real name? 12.73.196.186 14:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, everyone should give their real name and not hide behind a nom de plume - or an anonymous IP address :) SteveCrook 16:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Holon 01:03, 8 May 2006 (UTC) Thanks for your constructive comments 12.73.196.186.
The verifiability policy is as follows:
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Please take particular note of 3 in response to your question "Why don't you do something productive, like searching for the kind of citations you want yourself?".
I have placed the {{ Fact}} tag on the comments I think are most in need verification. As per Wikipedia policy, the criterion is not that the truth of criticisms is necessarily verified, but it must be possible to at least verifiy that the criticisms have been made in a reliable source. I think that if at least a few of these points are verified, the credibility of the section will be enhanced and it may become reasonable to remove remaining tags on the basis that the section is on balance generally well researched and founded. I did some research and found an article which mentioned specific errors being incorporated on IMDb then removed, so this should be verifiable (I'll do so if I can find it again). Criticisms should be voiced for balance in achieving a NPOV, however the additions to the section frequently read like complaints and are unverifiable (I know some of them to be either valid or plausible from experience with use of IMDb, but this is not enough). Specific points need to be verified to be retained. It does no good to the credibility of the article as a whole to have a number of points that cannot reasonably be verified in reliable sources. Holon 03:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I'm new here, so delete this if you don't like it, I woun't mind. I just wanted to pass a idea for an article about where imdb get's its data. Most of it is from volintary contributors, and the site lists the top 100 anually. So I thought it would be nice to have that on wikipedia as well as some aditional info. What do you think? (contribution by 213.213.134.251, 3 May 2006)
It's already there, in the main Overview it says Information is largely provided by a cadre of volunteers with expertise in various areas of film history. Please sign all comments using four tildes (~~~~
)
SteveCrook
23:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be nice to have an article about the top contributers? -- Steinninn 13:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Is the discussion of the statistical properties of the rating system really appropriate? Besides the fact that it just reads as being out of place, the lack of citations makes it perilously close to violating WP:NOR Liamdaly620 13:36, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
It could be factible to made one. A wiki is a great idea,all people can review the reliability of the data and it his update super instant. has more advantages than the IMDB.- Atenea26 13:15 , 19 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree. About moving the flaws of rating system to criticisms. While it is appropriate to make a brief comment there, the plan still remains to move a substantial amount of the rest of the discussion to another article. Holon 12:16, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
I deleted this text:
because I couldn't figure out what it was trying to say. What does "directly have" mean? -- JHunterJ 12:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
I have referenced the article which has appropriate information about use of averages for ordinal data. I am happy to cite any number of texts which say the same thing: averages should not be used for ordinal data. This is unnecessary though as Wikipedia already has an article on the subject with references, including to the original 1946 article by Stevens on the topic. The burden of proof lies with the person collecting data and computing averages to show that this is justified. It is not necessary to cite evidence that data are not interval-level when no evidence at all has been provided that they are interval-level. It is simply an observation related to a fact that is readily verified in any text on elementary stats and the like.
Also, I'm happy to leave out very in the description very misleading. Here are the facts though. (1) IMDb does not publish any information which would be accepted in a peer-reviewed article to support the fact that the data are interval-level measurements which means that at best they might claim they are ordinal data. (2) It is widely accepted that averages cannot be calculated for data ordinal data. (3) IMDb claims to be using proven statistical methods including weighted averages, when no kind of average is justified for the data. It is not just misleading -- it's plain nonsensical. So leave it out if you want. Let's not pretend though that this is a POV statement. It is actually an very tame description of patent nonsense. Holon 12:03, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
That's it: people won't bother calling out the IMDb in particular, then why should Wikipedia? That Wikipedia is doing it "alone" is what catches my attention. But I wish someone else would chime in here. :-) JHunterJ 01:26, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
1. The site does not call itself "The Internet Movie Database" throughout as Thorpe stated above, if you read the help pages and other info pages they generally refer to themselves as "IMDb" more than anything else. Unsigned contribution by 69.157.104.89 23:41, 29 May (UTC)
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SteveCrook
05:31, 30 May 2006 (UTC)2. POV. I came here looking for some DATA about the history of IMDb. Although I did find the DATA that I was looking for, I came away from this article with the impression that someone with an axe to grind wrote it. It has a very negative tone and strikes me as the rantings of someone who got banned from their chat boards. In particular, this phrase:
"The use of any kind of average is inappropriate because the level of measurement of movie ratings of this kind is ordinal"
is not appropriate at all here. To sum it up, after trying to plow through all the pointless garbage above, IMDb's opinion is that their statistical analysis methods are acceptable and this jackass' opinion is that they are not. THAT IS OPINION. NOT DATA. Take it somewhere else.
As I see more and more crap like this in Wikipedia, it encourages me to use it less and less, and even discourage others from using it as well. Wikipedia just can't be trusted. Unsigned contribution by 69.157.104.89 23:41, 29 May (UTC)
I think that most of your complaints seem to be with the Wiki itself rather than with just this article.
SteveCrook
05:49, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
'To sum it up, after trying to plow through all the pointless garbage above, IMDb's opinion is that their statistical analysis methods are acceptable and this jackass' opinion is that they are not. THAT IS OPINION. NOT DATA. Take it somewhere else.'
I have to wonder why you'd want to comment on something about which you clearly know nothing at all. This sort of point has been responded to above. I continue to be perplexed as to what leads people to believe that IMDb is an authority on measurement and statistics. It is not. It does not cite any scientific research to support its claims. I am not aware of it having any links to research institutions. No authority is invoked on its page regarding the use of weighted means and "proven" methods.
So while I agree with the general comment regarding some of the crticisims, it's not just this jackass' 'opinion' the data are ordinal or that averages are not justifiable for ordinal data .... for example [4] (restaurant ratings) [5] (rating displays) [6] (ref to rating scales) [7] (comment on rating stats appropriate to rating scales). [8] (rating bands as example of ordinal data) [9] (ref to ratings) [10] (ref to movie ratings) [11] (rating food as example). IMDb is free to publish data in this way if it so chooses. However, it is entirely legitimate to point out the problems associated with doing so. Plenty of others publish these sorts of averages, and so it is reasonable to point out the problems in every case, which is the reason for creating a new article as per the good suggestion above. Holon 09:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I could not find any parts in the article that mentioned that the IMDB is infamous for being innacurate, hence its nickname. If there isn't anything in there, there probably should be. (posted by KX-34 on 8 June 2006)
That's also in violation of WP:NPOV, though I agree about the inaccuracies. Mike 7 00:02, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
The user comments for a film are not in chronological order. How is the order decided then? I have only skimmed the article and searched for 'user comments'. To my surprise no hits. I suppose this is one of the most used parts of imdb, so is it named differently? Surely there should be some mention of it. DirkvdM 07:37, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
The accuracy would probably be greatly improved, as it is currently rubbish, and the more obscure shows would get more coverage. {````} - Unsigned comment by 195.82.104.122 22:04 8 July 2006
I't seems that IMDB is objective for vandal attacks. Today there are 2 reverts. what do you think about blocking this page to anonymous users, in order to prevent vandalism? -- User:Atenea26, 13:30 , 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I was trying trying to put a reference, but the format was wrong so I messed the page-- User:Atenea26, 10:30 , 15 July 2006 (UTC)
A citation is called for the following passage: Over the last five years the George W. Bush, Michael Jackson and Soapbox message boards (and, to a lesser extent, the Fahrenheit 9/11 and The Passion of the Christ message boards and other message boards for political and religious personas) have been major targets for heated debate, ranting and trolling. Would a link to those message boards, where one could see this is the case, suffice? -- Mr Beale 22:50, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Re: your following "correction": "TV episodes - Not true. There is now no distinction between regulars and guests)"
Sorry, but the information about IMDb confusing guests and regulars is VERY true. While the IMDb does shy away from actually using the words "guest" and "regular," all you have to do to verify the inaccuracies is look up a few TV shows on the IMDb. Neve Campbell (to list just one example out of dozens, to give you an idea of what I'm talking about) was a regular on the show "Party of Five" for years. The IMDb lists her as having appeared in only eight episodes. Meanwhile, actors who really have appeared on the show only once or twice or a handful of times (and would thus qualify as "guest stars") are often listed in the show's cast list rather than the page for specific episodes, which would be much more accurate. My reference/source is the IMDb itself, and it bears repeating that, before you argue with me or casually remove this information again, please look up a few shows on the IMDb to see for yourself. -- Minaker
I think that the wording of your latest alteration is very confusing, but at least we're getting somewhere, and I appreciate your trying to clarify matters in the article rather than just reverting or launching into some sort of verbal attack as some Wikipedia editors do with each other. (By the way, this was not my intent either, and I apologize if my statements above seem too aggressive.) I still feel that this article, as it's currently worded, does not adequately convey the state of confusion in so many of the IMDb's TV pages. You may provide an explanation here on the talk page, but that doesn't change the fact that many cast members (as I had originally stated) are not mentioned at all in the cast listings for such shows as "Kidnapped," "The Nine," and many others. This is a glaring omission that occurs time and again on the IMDb. And while it's true that the IMDb doesn't specifically use the words "guest star" and "regular," as you correctly point out, if Neve Campbell (to use my above example) appeared in nearly every episode of "Party of Five, she is a regular, while the IMDb's statement that she was in only eight episodes indicates that she was merely a guest, even if the words "guest star" aren't used. These are the IMDb inaccuracies I have been referring to. You're welcome to try to clarify these points in the article, but I still think that they need to be addressed; your explanation on this talk page for the reasons behind the errors doesn't make them any less worthy of mention in the article. For now, I will refrain from changing the article again, because I don't want to get into some sort of revert war, but I do think that my original statements have some merit, even if they needed clarification. -- Minaker
Regarding your comment that "If you care enough to write these comments, you should care enough to do something about it and submit the correct data for the series that you know about": I don't mean to sound lazy, but it's one thing to make corrections or engage in discussion on Wikipedia, a site which makes it easy (some even say too easy) to alter content. The IMDb is an entirely different matter, in which every single correction is a several-step process. Then, once you've finally submitted any one correction, let alone the dozens that we're talking about here, the people who run IMDb take an indefinite amount of time to review the new information. Surely you know about this failing if you're a "long time IMDb contributor"; these issues are even addressed (to a degree) in this very article. Sorry to be a bit repetitive here, but your argument that I should correct errors on the IMDb if I see them still doesn't change the fact that those errors exist (until they are corrected by me or someone else) and therefore deserve mention in this article. -- Minaker
Your argument that someone should correct errors on the IMDb still doesn't change the fact that those errors exist and therefore deserve mention in this article. At this point, you are no longer trying to work out a solution, nor are you concerned about Wikipedia accuracy; you're just being stubborn, as you have clearly ignored both the arguments above and the point of Wikipedia accuracy. Specific examples are cited, but you choose to ignore those too. Your own opinion on whether the IMDb is reliable is purely subjective, an argument backed up by specific examples is not. Unless you have some sort of actual REASON for changing this other than your own stubbornness or RESPONSE to this argument other than the fact that you just don't like people complaining about a site you contribute to, please do not revert changes. Once again, and I only repeat this because you have not listened to it the previous times I've said it, an argument that someone should correct errors on the IMDb doesn't change the fact that those errors exist. Wikipedia is about facts, not a reflection of how you think the world should be. Minaker 04:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Well I'm clearly outvoted here, so I guess I won't fight this anymore if the decision is apparently to just throw accuracy and Wikipedia rules out the window. You've got me convinced, Wikipedia is no place for actually talking about stupid things like details and facts. Minaker 23:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
How does one apply for board administrator?
Not a priority, but as IMDB's homepage has been slightly redesigned {searchbox), can someone update the image in the article to reflect the change? Bswee 18:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Are there any pictures of the IMDB homepages in older verious??? Like ones from when it first started and on wards, it would be interesting to see them. RaptorRobot 06:40, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
You can find the old versions at http://www.archive.org -- Steinninn 13:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
RAJESH KHANNA THE ROMANTIC HERO OF ALL TIMES IS THE ONLY SUPER STAR OF INDIAN CINEMA. HE IS A GREATEST OF ALL ACTORS —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.163.88.180 ( talk) 09:03, 30 December 2006 (UTC).
Whatever happened to this site? It used to be a fantastic site where people could make their own top-20 alltime lists of movies, but suddenly it's just gone, and it seems like it never existed. When you try typing www.ymdb.com it just goes straight to the www.imdb.com, did IMDb buy the rights to the popular YMDb-name, or did they sue their way to getting the name, or what? KnatLouie 30 December 2006
Should something be mentioned about the IMDb user who was arrested for the posts he made? In case you don't know, some User was arrested for threatening to kill teenage actresses, and posting pics of him with guns. I'll need to do a bit more research, but I think it at least deserves mention. -- MasterA113 13:22, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
The IMDb#Trivia section doesn't seem right to me.
I won't make the changes now, because I think we need to agree on what to include: do we need to say which actor is 00000001? What should the threshold for votes be? Do we want to list the actual oldest movies in the database (two titles from 1888)? Pruneau talk 11:33, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
When i look at
http://www.imdb.com/chart/top then I see:
1. 9.1 The Godfather (1972) 202,883
2. 9.1 The Shawshank Redemption (1994) 243,043
When I look at the pages of these movies (
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068646/ and
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111161/ )
then I see that the shawshank redemption has User Rating: 9.2/10 (243,043 votes)
and the godfather has User Rating: 9.1/10 (202,883 votes)
So the godfather has a lower user rating and less votes, doesn't this mean that number 1 and 2 should be switched in the top 250 ? Or am I missing something here ?
-- Garo 22:55, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Just like CNN this article should be under the name it's most commonly referred to as, which is IMDb rather than Internet Movie Database. Yonatan talk 23:40, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Could we change the screenshot to someone less cliche? Like Sean Connery or Leonard Nimoy or something. Except not either of those, but you get my point. How about Samuel L Jackson -- Krakko 01:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Something needs to be mentioned about the new authentication system (new accounts must be verified with an amazon.com account, credit-card or (some) cell phone sms networks before new users are able to post on the board system). This is quite a burden on new users. McDanger 17:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
At the end of the Overview section, it says:
"Many of these (message boards) are quite heated and sometimes slump into endless pages of insults very easily."
Although I agree with the sentiment (indeed, they can get quite insulting), is this a valid thing to include in Wikipedia or does it stray into original research? Ccm043 04:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus to move, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 00:59, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Internet Movie Database → IMDb — just like CNN, the more commonly used name Yonatan talk 22:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
99.6 million results for imdb compared to "internet+movie+database"&btnG=Search 42.7 million results for Internet Movie Database. Yonatan talk 00:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that some of the articles (for example The, A, An in English) are now placed at the beginning of titles, and not at the end (with a comma) as it was before. I'll appreciate any information regarding these recent changes, as the relevant FAQ ( http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?titleformat) does not mention them. -David Born —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.130.142.194 ( talk) 13:27, 17 April 2007 (UTC).