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This article adds little over, and should be merged with, Ethernet, as should be obvious from the title of the next section. 18.26.0.18 05:09, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I'm not too enthusiastic about that idea. The Ethernet article is already big, if not too big. The large standards listing table is much better placed here. I suggest we leave it the way it is and update it as necessary. The Power Over Ethernet stuff, OTOH, might be better placed in the main article. Wefa 05:33, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Since there seems to be a consensus towards oppose, certainly on the Ethernet page (I also include myself in this opposition) I have removed the tag. The Ethernet article is too long to put a massive table of information in - there is no downside to keeping the two articles.
QmunkE 18:41, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
My draft text for power over ethernet, so I don't lose it:
Power Over Ethernet technology describes any system that transmits electrical power, in addition to data, to remote devices over standard twisted-pair wire in an Ethernet network. This technology is useful for powering IP telephones, wireless LAN access points, webcams, hubs, and other appliances where it would be inconvenient or infeasible to supply power separately. The technology is comparable to POTS telephones, which also receive power and data (although analog) through the same cable. It works without requiring any modification to the existing Ethernet cabling infrastructure. Power over Ethernet is standardized in IEEE 802.3af. There are several ad-hoc standards for supplying power over Ethernet cable that predate IEEE 802.3af, however most future solutions will probably adhere to the IEEE standard.
Rhobite 22:38, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)
This article starts "IEEE 802.3 is a collection of IEEE standards defining the physical layer and transport layer of ... Ethernet".
Transport layer links to the Transport layer article.
Surely, it should be Data Link layer? (Maybe transport layer is used in a slightly different context here but if so then it shouldn't link to the layer 4 article).
- Leon
Is DIX Ethernet v2.0 really thinnet, as the table here claims? v1.0 is thicknet. Guy Harris 06:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
This article says, "...DIX Ethernet, followed by Ethernet II," implying these are two different things. But Ethernet II framing says, "Ethernet II framing (also known as DIX Ethernet...," implying they are the same. I suggest this confusion be cleared up (in the article, not here on the talk page). Rees11 ( talk) 16:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
802.3 is probably better thought of as the name of the working group that produces Ethernet physical layer standards. This article should be changed to be more like 802.1. -- Kvng ( talk) 14:15, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Do we really need these? Especially when they have been done using a simplistic divide-by-8 method rather than considering how data is encoding for transmission. For example, 10 and 100Mbit ethernet both use 8b10b coding: every byte is ten bits long on the wire meaning the theoretical maximums are 1.0 and 10.0 megabytes per second before we even consider framing overhead and so on. More generally, techniques such as bit stuffing make calculations impossible since the conversion factor depends on the data being sent. The IEEE do not quote these figures, they are highly ambiguous (coding and framing are internal to the standards and therefore externally visible bandwidth will always be lower), and they are of little practical use. I think they should simply be dropped. Crispmuncher ( talk) 20:07, 26 October 2010 (UTC).
Is IEEE 802.3 a network layer technology? Tarian.liber claims that it is and prefers to discuss it at Template_talk:OSIstack#Network_.2F_Link_Layer_Muddle. Please visit there and help us sort this out. ~ KvnG 03:32, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
I'm having trouble seeing a clear improvement in these extensive anon edits. I have reverted. Let's discuss the purpose of these before restoring. ~ Kvng ( talk) 21:33, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
I'm having trouble finding a source that supports the 1983 date of the first version of the IEEE 802.3 standard. It seems that the first published version of the standard was actually 802.3-1985 (in 1985).
I'm basing this off of the following factors:
Factor 1: The IEEE page for 802.3-1985 does not specify that 802.3-1985 supersedes any other standard. Revisions include a section that specifies which version they supersede. See the IEEE page for 802.3-1998 for example.
Factor 2: The 802.3-1985 standard itself includes the following text (emphasis mine):
The most important part here is that 802.3-1985 says that it is the first edition and while it was approved by the IEEE Standards Board in 1983, it wasn't published until 1985.
Factor 3: I am unable to find a 1983 version of the 802.3 standard.
Based on these factors, I recommend merging the entry for "IEEE 802.3 standard" and "802.3-1985" and setting the date to 1985. Rob Donnelly ( talk) 23:43, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
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This article adds little over, and should be merged with, Ethernet, as should be obvious from the title of the next section. 18.26.0.18 05:09, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I'm not too enthusiastic about that idea. The Ethernet article is already big, if not too big. The large standards listing table is much better placed here. I suggest we leave it the way it is and update it as necessary. The Power Over Ethernet stuff, OTOH, might be better placed in the main article. Wefa 05:33, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Since there seems to be a consensus towards oppose, certainly on the Ethernet page (I also include myself in this opposition) I have removed the tag. The Ethernet article is too long to put a massive table of information in - there is no downside to keeping the two articles.
QmunkE 18:41, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
My draft text for power over ethernet, so I don't lose it:
Power Over Ethernet technology describes any system that transmits electrical power, in addition to data, to remote devices over standard twisted-pair wire in an Ethernet network. This technology is useful for powering IP telephones, wireless LAN access points, webcams, hubs, and other appliances where it would be inconvenient or infeasible to supply power separately. The technology is comparable to POTS telephones, which also receive power and data (although analog) through the same cable. It works without requiring any modification to the existing Ethernet cabling infrastructure. Power over Ethernet is standardized in IEEE 802.3af. There are several ad-hoc standards for supplying power over Ethernet cable that predate IEEE 802.3af, however most future solutions will probably adhere to the IEEE standard.
Rhobite 22:38, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)
This article starts "IEEE 802.3 is a collection of IEEE standards defining the physical layer and transport layer of ... Ethernet".
Transport layer links to the Transport layer article.
Surely, it should be Data Link layer? (Maybe transport layer is used in a slightly different context here but if so then it shouldn't link to the layer 4 article).
- Leon
Is DIX Ethernet v2.0 really thinnet, as the table here claims? v1.0 is thicknet. Guy Harris 06:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
This article says, "...DIX Ethernet, followed by Ethernet II," implying these are two different things. But Ethernet II framing says, "Ethernet II framing (also known as DIX Ethernet...," implying they are the same. I suggest this confusion be cleared up (in the article, not here on the talk page). Rees11 ( talk) 16:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
802.3 is probably better thought of as the name of the working group that produces Ethernet physical layer standards. This article should be changed to be more like 802.1. -- Kvng ( talk) 14:15, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Do we really need these? Especially when they have been done using a simplistic divide-by-8 method rather than considering how data is encoding for transmission. For example, 10 and 100Mbit ethernet both use 8b10b coding: every byte is ten bits long on the wire meaning the theoretical maximums are 1.0 and 10.0 megabytes per second before we even consider framing overhead and so on. More generally, techniques such as bit stuffing make calculations impossible since the conversion factor depends on the data being sent. The IEEE do not quote these figures, they are highly ambiguous (coding and framing are internal to the standards and therefore externally visible bandwidth will always be lower), and they are of little practical use. I think they should simply be dropped. Crispmuncher ( talk) 20:07, 26 October 2010 (UTC).
Is IEEE 802.3 a network layer technology? Tarian.liber claims that it is and prefers to discuss it at Template_talk:OSIstack#Network_.2F_Link_Layer_Muddle. Please visit there and help us sort this out. ~ KvnG 03:32, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
I'm having trouble seeing a clear improvement in these extensive anon edits. I have reverted. Let's discuss the purpose of these before restoring. ~ Kvng ( talk) 21:33, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
I'm having trouble finding a source that supports the 1983 date of the first version of the IEEE 802.3 standard. It seems that the first published version of the standard was actually 802.3-1985 (in 1985).
I'm basing this off of the following factors:
Factor 1: The IEEE page for 802.3-1985 does not specify that 802.3-1985 supersedes any other standard. Revisions include a section that specifies which version they supersede. See the IEEE page for 802.3-1998 for example.
Factor 2: The 802.3-1985 standard itself includes the following text (emphasis mine):
The most important part here is that 802.3-1985 says that it is the first edition and while it was approved by the IEEE Standards Board in 1983, it wasn't published until 1985.
Factor 3: I am unable to find a 1983 version of the 802.3 standard.
Based on these factors, I recommend merging the entry for "IEEE 802.3 standard" and "802.3-1985" and setting the date to 1985. Rob Donnelly ( talk) 23:43, 19 January 2024 (UTC)