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Yep...Igdir. One of the new districts made a province while I was away :-) Thanks for the correction! mu5ti 01:14, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I removed the 1919-1920 sentence. "Genocide" supposedly was between 1915-1917, but the sentence says "Igdir was mostly Armenian untill 1919-1920, untill the genocide" (I guess the Turks from 1915 travelled the future to 1919 and killed everyone). Obvious discrepancy.
Igdir in 1919 at the time under the control Armenian forces [1]. Armenians did constitute the largest ethnic group but the majority of the population was not Armenian, it was Yezidi, Tatar and Turk combination [2] All types of people (including non-Armenians) died from famine, not from anything else. If requested, I can upload the entire newspaper. Let me know if you need more sources. -- Oguz1 16:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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...are not a reliable source. We go by what reliable sources say and nothing more. The reliable sources say the province is majority Kurdish. Athenean ( talk) 05:26, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
Abbatai states that the demographics in Igdir province was historically Azerbaijani. Can you please provide the source for that? If that is indeed the case, we should work on a compromise together. For example, we can add something like "The province was historically Azerbaijani, and the its capital city was majority Armenian" or something. Étienne Dolet ( talk) 20:17, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
No, not at all. I did not claim the demographics in Iğdir province was historically Azerbaijani. It was you claiming "However, the majority of the population was historically Armenian..." historical Armenian majority in this . First of all city population data from 1897 cannot be added to province and then said historically the province had Armenian majority. The history of province starts from 1992. Between 1992-2016 there has never been an Armenian majority. You clearly pov pushing. Even though we could add the 1897 statistics your edit is still problematic. Here you are: According to the Russian family lists accounts from 1886, of the total 71,066 inhabitants of the districts 34,351 were Azerbaijanis (48.3%, mentioned as 'Tatars' in the source), 22,096 Armenians (31.1%) and 14,619 Kurds (20.6%). [1] In Iğdır city article it says Azerbaijanis were majority at some point. Clearly your edit was Armenian POV push. -- Abbatai 21:11, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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Yep...Igdir. One of the new districts made a province while I was away :-) Thanks for the correction! mu5ti 01:14, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I removed the 1919-1920 sentence. "Genocide" supposedly was between 1915-1917, but the sentence says "Igdir was mostly Armenian untill 1919-1920, untill the genocide" (I guess the Turks from 1915 travelled the future to 1919 and killed everyone). Obvious discrepancy.
Igdir in 1919 at the time under the control Armenian forces [1]. Armenians did constitute the largest ethnic group but the majority of the population was not Armenian, it was Yezidi, Tatar and Turk combination [2] All types of people (including non-Armenians) died from famine, not from anything else. If requested, I can upload the entire newspaper. Let me know if you need more sources. -- Oguz1 16:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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...are not a reliable source. We go by what reliable sources say and nothing more. The reliable sources say the province is majority Kurdish. Athenean ( talk) 05:26, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
Abbatai states that the demographics in Igdir province was historically Azerbaijani. Can you please provide the source for that? If that is indeed the case, we should work on a compromise together. For example, we can add something like "The province was historically Azerbaijani, and the its capital city was majority Armenian" or something. Étienne Dolet ( talk) 20:17, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
No, not at all. I did not claim the demographics in Iğdir province was historically Azerbaijani. It was you claiming "However, the majority of the population was historically Armenian..." historical Armenian majority in this . First of all city population data from 1897 cannot be added to province and then said historically the province had Armenian majority. The history of province starts from 1992. Between 1992-2016 there has never been an Armenian majority. You clearly pov pushing. Even though we could add the 1897 statistics your edit is still problematic. Here you are: According to the Russian family lists accounts from 1886, of the total 71,066 inhabitants of the districts 34,351 were Azerbaijanis (48.3%, mentioned as 'Tatars' in the source), 22,096 Armenians (31.1%) and 14,619 Kurds (20.6%). [1] In Iğdır city article it says Azerbaijanis were majority at some point. Clearly your edit was Armenian POV push. -- Abbatai 21:11, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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@ 37.155.68.33 Dear IP, please acquaint yourself with the Wikipedia policy " Original Research" – Basically, since the original source doesn't explicitly say Tatars (the Russian Empire's term for Azerbaijanis) or Turks, we cannot interpret 100% of the "Shia Muslims" and "Sunni Muslims" written in the source to be Azerbaijanis and Turks, respectively. However, if you found a reliable source that interprets the Caucasian Calendar's "Shia Muslims" and "Sunni Muslims" to be Azerbaijanis and Turks, that would provide sufficient grounds for change. To be clear, if you reference a source which simply states that most Azerbaijanis are Shia Muslim and most Turks Sunni Muslim, that may be considered WP:SYNTH to apply it specifically in the case of the Caucasian Calendar. If you still have any more questions, feel free to post them and I will try to answer. – Olympian loquere 10:22, 17 September 2022 (UTC)