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I was surprised to see that these two pages are separate - it seems to me that they describe essentially the same condition, just in different organisms. I reckon it'd make sense for them to be merged.
Hypoxia (environmental) Renamed from ( oxygen depletion)
Hypoxic hypoxia (does this exist? Seems to have some inbuilt redundancy here.)
Others similar?
And reroute existing or create new redirects on anoxic, anoxic, hypoxic, hypoxaemia, hypoxaemic, hypoxia. Happy to do this if there is consensus. Ex nihil 23:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
THIS MERGE HAS NOW BEEN DONE
What's the difference between this and Hypoxia (medical)? User:Jmeppley 03:30, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
I am a medical student and can say that the distinction between hypoxia and hypoxemia is a very important one (at least in my education and clinical exposure). These terms are not synonomous to most physicians. As someone has mentioned, hypoxemia can lead to diffuse tissue hypoxia; however, there can be many different underlying pathologic mechanisms in any given case of hypoxia. If these two pages are to be merged, it is important that this distinction be made absolutely clear. In fact, merging these pages may be a bad idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.230.18.96 ( talk • contribs)
Not sure if this is correct forum... but second paragraph of main article is redundant, uninformative, and confusing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.46.161 ( talk) 10:14, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
By what percentage must the pO2 decrease before the term 'hypoxia' can be applied? - Russell
The discussion then moved over to the Doctor's Mess. So I have copied that over to here: David Ruben Talk 03:39, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm not a clinician, and not familiar with typical use of these terms so I was unsure if I should put a merge tag on these articles. If merging the two is not advisable, hypoxemia could do with some cleanup. -- Uthbrian ( talk) 10:31, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Can I be a bit of a nit-picker? I agree that the terms are synonymous to some extent. I do not have a medical dictionary at hand, and I would be grateful if someone could check this, but in think there is an important distinction which is clinically relevant. Hypoxaemia is a generalised lack of oxygen in the blood, which can be caused by number of pathologies, as listed on the relevant page. Hypoxia, in my book, is more about a regional lack of oxygen. As such, hypoxia can happily exist without hypoxaemia. Some examples, and why they are relevant:
Sorry to be a pedant. Very happy to be contradicted. Jellytussle 04:44, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh I can identify with pedantry or I wouldn't be here, but we more commonly say a person is hypoxic than hypoxemic, don't we, and mean the same thing? But I admit, you have identified a couple more contexts in which the terms are not equivalent. Do you think they should be kept as two separate articles? I will also admit I havent even looked at the contents. alteripse 05:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Hypoxemia is when blood oxygen is low. Hypoxia is when tissue oxygen is low. Hypoxic is a term meaning less oxygen than should be there. I'd vote to put stuff under hypoxia, with hypoxemia being when blood is hypoxic. Kd4ttc 02:08, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
For the sake of people learning about pulmonary function, such as myself, I think they should be kept separate. If I was to write that they are essentially the same thing on an exam, I would really be penalized. There are small differences and it is important not to confuse people that need to know the differences.—Preceding unsigned comment added by cdlangen ( talk • contribs)
Merge if I'm allowed to vote! Keeping the two as separate pages involves duplicating 95% of the information for a 5% distinction which could as easily be made on the one page, IMHO. Nmg20 11:16, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Merge done - with a 7 to 1 (if my counting is correct) vote, consensus over this open vote of the last 4 months is in favour of merging. However I had no idea what the following meant, or where therefore to incorporate it.:
I left the physiology bits right at the bottom of the article as more specific than most readers might need, and the causes/classification system is very much an introduction to other more specialised articles here in wikipedia. David Ruben Talk 14:25, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Ref the changes to the section on high altitude sickness, HAPE and HACE my understanding is that these are not caused by hypoxic conditions but by the low partial pressure of carbon dioxide in the blood leading to acidosis. High altitude can certainly leave you breathless, or even unconscious but the headaches, insomnia, cerebral and pulmonary oedema and the nasty stuff that actually kills you in the end is low CO2 rather than low O2 and the medicines, the diuretics etc are aimed at normalising blood pH. This was certainly the mountain medicine textbook view when I was into that sort of climbing in the 70's, I doubt that has changed much. Can someone who knows sort this out? Ex nihil 23:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
As someone who was looking for clarification of the term in a botanical sense, there are some interesting comments as to whether the different versions of Anoxia should be merged or not. Why can't the terms be used as Anoxia (Botanical) and Anoxia (Medical)?
I've just added these two closely related/overlapping disorders to the shortlist of causes of hypoxia. I was surprised they weren't already on the list, given how common they are (and surely are a major cause of hypoxia). I had a quick look at the history entries -- didn't spot any reference to either term, but that's not conclusive. So I'm wondering, does anybody know if one or both was/were previously mentioned but removed from the article? In any event, I can see from the history & talk pages that a lot of work has gone into this relatively short article -- my thanks to everybody who's had a hand in it. Cgingold 15:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
One of the cited causes of hypoxic hypoxia is described here as "low partial pressur of atmospheric oxygen". This is very vague: I think it would be useful to say at what typical partial pressure values hypoxia begins to set in, and how the partial pressure influences the rate of onset; also the partial pressure values over which normal lung function takes place, and the typical partial pressure of atmospheric oxygen, eg in dry air at sea level. Can anyone add this data? Mooncow 00:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
There's a free image here: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2377/7/18. I just don't have time to upload it right now. If you'd like to upload it but don't know how, I'm glad to help, just drop me a note on my talk page. delldot ∇. 06:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I just ran across a casual mention of this: "...will pregnant exposed workers demand powered air purifying respirators given the data suggesting fetal hypoxia associated with filtering facepieces?" I haven't heard of this before, but it certainly makes sense. I've requested literature citations and will try to get back to this, but anybody feel free to run with it. 64.161.0.134 ( talk) 16:03, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
hi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.225.252.180 ( talk) 06:54, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Why are the items in the lists "lightheadedness / fatigue, numbness / tingling of extremities, nausea, and anoxia." and "ataxia, confusion / disorientation / hallucinations / behavioral change, severe headaches / reduced level of consciousness, papilloedema, breathlessness,[5] pallor,[7] tachycardia, and pulmonary hypertension" sometimes separated by commas and sometimes by oblique strokes? 86.132.223.30 ( talk) 15:05, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
NEJM doi:10.1056/NEJMra1612008 JFW | T@lk 19:57, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
This chapter (as well as big parts if other chapters) is in dire need of rewriting. As it is now this is not understandable to the general public in the way Wikipedia should be/ wants to be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:3032:413:CD0E:2:1:687E:B9B ( talk) 12:43, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Some researchers have suggested the use of microsaccades as a detection and study method for hypoxia. [1] I think this would be meaningful to include, though it is not clear to me where it would fit in the existing article structure. ParticipantObserver ( talk) 07:18, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
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I notice carbon monoxyde was cited as an example of hypoxemic hypoxia, I think it should be cited as an example of anemic hypoxia. Low hemoglobin and dyshemoglobinemia and all hemoglobine disorders (methemoglobine, etc.) should fit in this category. Note that in carbon monoxyde poisoning the PaO2 is normal and skin color of the victim normal also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.82.54.113 ( talk) 13:14, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
Is anyone going to object to taking the reference definitions out of the text and listing them in the references section? This allows them to be listed alphabetically, which is a big advantage for reuse and fixing formatting, and makes the wikitext far more readable. Please provide logical rationale for your objections. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 13:34, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
We seem to have acquired a large number of redlinks. Redlinks should not exist unless somebody is actively developing the target page. Do we have editors who are genuinely developing all these Redlinks? If not, maybe we should retire all or most of them. Ex nihil ( talk) 17:06, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Redlinks should not exist unless somebody is actively developing the target pagecitation needed
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Good enough. Promoting to B-class. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 08:27, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
Suggestions for improvements are invited. Do them yourself or leave a note, preferably with a relevant ref or two. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 08:50, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
Ideal sources for Wikipedia's health content are defined in the guideline
Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine) and are typically
review articles. Here are links to possibly useful sources of information about Hypoxia (medicine).
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This
level-5 vital article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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This article is written in American English, which has its own spelling conventions (color, defense, traveled) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. |
I was surprised to see that these two pages are separate - it seems to me that they describe essentially the same condition, just in different organisms. I reckon it'd make sense for them to be merged.
Hypoxia (environmental) Renamed from ( oxygen depletion)
Hypoxic hypoxia (does this exist? Seems to have some inbuilt redundancy here.)
Others similar?
And reroute existing or create new redirects on anoxic, anoxic, hypoxic, hypoxaemia, hypoxaemic, hypoxia. Happy to do this if there is consensus. Ex nihil 23:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
THIS MERGE HAS NOW BEEN DONE
What's the difference between this and Hypoxia (medical)? User:Jmeppley 03:30, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
I am a medical student and can say that the distinction between hypoxia and hypoxemia is a very important one (at least in my education and clinical exposure). These terms are not synonomous to most physicians. As someone has mentioned, hypoxemia can lead to diffuse tissue hypoxia; however, there can be many different underlying pathologic mechanisms in any given case of hypoxia. If these two pages are to be merged, it is important that this distinction be made absolutely clear. In fact, merging these pages may be a bad idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.230.18.96 ( talk • contribs)
Not sure if this is correct forum... but second paragraph of main article is redundant, uninformative, and confusing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.46.161 ( talk) 10:14, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
By what percentage must the pO2 decrease before the term 'hypoxia' can be applied? - Russell
The discussion then moved over to the Doctor's Mess. So I have copied that over to here: David Ruben Talk 03:39, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm not a clinician, and not familiar with typical use of these terms so I was unsure if I should put a merge tag on these articles. If merging the two is not advisable, hypoxemia could do with some cleanup. -- Uthbrian ( talk) 10:31, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Can I be a bit of a nit-picker? I agree that the terms are synonymous to some extent. I do not have a medical dictionary at hand, and I would be grateful if someone could check this, but in think there is an important distinction which is clinically relevant. Hypoxaemia is a generalised lack of oxygen in the blood, which can be caused by number of pathologies, as listed on the relevant page. Hypoxia, in my book, is more about a regional lack of oxygen. As such, hypoxia can happily exist without hypoxaemia. Some examples, and why they are relevant:
Sorry to be a pedant. Very happy to be contradicted. Jellytussle 04:44, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh I can identify with pedantry or I wouldn't be here, but we more commonly say a person is hypoxic than hypoxemic, don't we, and mean the same thing? But I admit, you have identified a couple more contexts in which the terms are not equivalent. Do you think they should be kept as two separate articles? I will also admit I havent even looked at the contents. alteripse 05:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Hypoxemia is when blood oxygen is low. Hypoxia is when tissue oxygen is low. Hypoxic is a term meaning less oxygen than should be there. I'd vote to put stuff under hypoxia, with hypoxemia being when blood is hypoxic. Kd4ttc 02:08, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
For the sake of people learning about pulmonary function, such as myself, I think they should be kept separate. If I was to write that they are essentially the same thing on an exam, I would really be penalized. There are small differences and it is important not to confuse people that need to know the differences.—Preceding unsigned comment added by cdlangen ( talk • contribs)
Merge if I'm allowed to vote! Keeping the two as separate pages involves duplicating 95% of the information for a 5% distinction which could as easily be made on the one page, IMHO. Nmg20 11:16, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Merge done - with a 7 to 1 (if my counting is correct) vote, consensus over this open vote of the last 4 months is in favour of merging. However I had no idea what the following meant, or where therefore to incorporate it.:
I left the physiology bits right at the bottom of the article as more specific than most readers might need, and the causes/classification system is very much an introduction to other more specialised articles here in wikipedia. David Ruben Talk 14:25, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Ref the changes to the section on high altitude sickness, HAPE and HACE my understanding is that these are not caused by hypoxic conditions but by the low partial pressure of carbon dioxide in the blood leading to acidosis. High altitude can certainly leave you breathless, or even unconscious but the headaches, insomnia, cerebral and pulmonary oedema and the nasty stuff that actually kills you in the end is low CO2 rather than low O2 and the medicines, the diuretics etc are aimed at normalising blood pH. This was certainly the mountain medicine textbook view when I was into that sort of climbing in the 70's, I doubt that has changed much. Can someone who knows sort this out? Ex nihil 23:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
As someone who was looking for clarification of the term in a botanical sense, there are some interesting comments as to whether the different versions of Anoxia should be merged or not. Why can't the terms be used as Anoxia (Botanical) and Anoxia (Medical)?
I've just added these two closely related/overlapping disorders to the shortlist of causes of hypoxia. I was surprised they weren't already on the list, given how common they are (and surely are a major cause of hypoxia). I had a quick look at the history entries -- didn't spot any reference to either term, but that's not conclusive. So I'm wondering, does anybody know if one or both was/were previously mentioned but removed from the article? In any event, I can see from the history & talk pages that a lot of work has gone into this relatively short article -- my thanks to everybody who's had a hand in it. Cgingold 15:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
One of the cited causes of hypoxic hypoxia is described here as "low partial pressur of atmospheric oxygen". This is very vague: I think it would be useful to say at what typical partial pressure values hypoxia begins to set in, and how the partial pressure influences the rate of onset; also the partial pressure values over which normal lung function takes place, and the typical partial pressure of atmospheric oxygen, eg in dry air at sea level. Can anyone add this data? Mooncow 00:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
There's a free image here: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2377/7/18. I just don't have time to upload it right now. If you'd like to upload it but don't know how, I'm glad to help, just drop me a note on my talk page. delldot ∇. 06:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I just ran across a casual mention of this: "...will pregnant exposed workers demand powered air purifying respirators given the data suggesting fetal hypoxia associated with filtering facepieces?" I haven't heard of this before, but it certainly makes sense. I've requested literature citations and will try to get back to this, but anybody feel free to run with it. 64.161.0.134 ( talk) 16:03, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
hi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.225.252.180 ( talk) 06:54, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Why are the items in the lists "lightheadedness / fatigue, numbness / tingling of extremities, nausea, and anoxia." and "ataxia, confusion / disorientation / hallucinations / behavioral change, severe headaches / reduced level of consciousness, papilloedema, breathlessness,[5] pallor,[7] tachycardia, and pulmonary hypertension" sometimes separated by commas and sometimes by oblique strokes? 86.132.223.30 ( talk) 15:05, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
NEJM doi:10.1056/NEJMra1612008 JFW | T@lk 19:57, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
This chapter (as well as big parts if other chapters) is in dire need of rewriting. As it is now this is not understandable to the general public in the way Wikipedia should be/ wants to be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:3032:413:CD0E:2:1:687E:B9B ( talk) 12:43, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Some researchers have suggested the use of microsaccades as a detection and study method for hypoxia. [1] I think this would be meaningful to include, though it is not clear to me where it would fit in the existing article structure. ParticipantObserver ( talk) 07:18, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
References
{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (
link)
I notice carbon monoxyde was cited as an example of hypoxemic hypoxia, I think it should be cited as an example of anemic hypoxia. Low hemoglobin and dyshemoglobinemia and all hemoglobine disorders (methemoglobine, etc.) should fit in this category. Note that in carbon monoxyde poisoning the PaO2 is normal and skin color of the victim normal also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.82.54.113 ( talk) 13:14, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
Is anyone going to object to taking the reference definitions out of the text and listing them in the references section? This allows them to be listed alphabetically, which is a big advantage for reuse and fixing formatting, and makes the wikitext far more readable. Please provide logical rationale for your objections. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 13:34, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
We seem to have acquired a large number of redlinks. Redlinks should not exist unless somebody is actively developing the target page. Do we have editors who are genuinely developing all these Redlinks? If not, maybe we should retire all or most of them. Ex nihil ( talk) 17:06, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Redlinks should not exist unless somebody is actively developing the target pagecitation needed
B |
Mostly good. A few exceptions, but generally acceptable. ✓ Pass Structure is good and appears to comply with WP:MEDMOS for medical conditions. ✓ Pass Looks OK to me. ✓ Pass There are some appropriate images. Looks OK. ✓ Pass Most technical terms are linked or explained in the text. If I have missed anything important, fix it or let me know. ✓ Pass |
Good enough. Promoting to B-class. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 08:27, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
Suggestions for improvements are invited. Do them yourself or leave a note, preferably with a relevant ref or two. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 08:50, 9 December 2022 (UTC)