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I well understand that there are terms of the art. However this is an encyclopaedia not intended for the elect, but for the general reader. As a general reader, I have no inkling what the term "urge" means, nor do I understand why it is necessary to write "authored", when "wrote" would serve just as well. -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. ( talk) 03:03, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
There are significant problems with the opening and apparent definition of this topic. This is the text I am referring to: "Hyper-Calvinism is a branch of Protestant theology that denies the universal duty of human beings to believe in Christ for the salvation of their souls. It is at times regarded as a variation of Calvinism, but critics emphasize its differences from traditional Calvinistic beliefs. Hyper-Calvinism distinguishes itself from traditional Calvinism as regards the "sufficiency and efficiency" of Christ's atonement." This sounds like a straw man written by a Calvinist, trying to slander Hyper-Calvinism, making it sound like it is not even Christianity (you don't have to believe in Jesus to have salvation). I am going to quote the definition of Hyper-Calvinism from Toon's book, page 144, where he defines it. This will give us a clear definition. I am going to delete the text cited above, since it is without citations, and it contradicts Toon's definition, for the aforementioned reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgrupp ( talk • contribs) 07:15, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
I see you reverted my block quote. Fine, but the opening sentence you have is incorrect, absolutely not at all the definition of Hyper-Calvinism, and no citation connected to that definition. I will write a replacement sentence, based on Toon's work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgrupp ( talk • contribs) 03:05, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
I want to start off by recognizing that folks have put work into this article since 2004. So, it's a bit awkward addressing the problems with it. Nonetheless,
Maybe there's an earlier version of this article without these problems? Currently it reads more like a personal theological essay than WP. It seems I'm not the first person to mention this, so I'm sorry that other editors have not helped fix the situation. ProfGray ( talk) 15:57, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
The current version is based on a religious POVs that are antagonistic to the purported object of study (if there is a distinct branch of Calvinist theology for this article), emphasis added:
These definitions are unacceptable for an encyclopedia article about a "branch of theology." ProfGray ( talk) 15:10, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
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I well understand that there are terms of the art. However this is an encyclopaedia not intended for the elect, but for the general reader. As a general reader, I have no inkling what the term "urge" means, nor do I understand why it is necessary to write "authored", when "wrote" would serve just as well. -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. ( talk) 03:03, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
There are significant problems with the opening and apparent definition of this topic. This is the text I am referring to: "Hyper-Calvinism is a branch of Protestant theology that denies the universal duty of human beings to believe in Christ for the salvation of their souls. It is at times regarded as a variation of Calvinism, but critics emphasize its differences from traditional Calvinistic beliefs. Hyper-Calvinism distinguishes itself from traditional Calvinism as regards the "sufficiency and efficiency" of Christ's atonement." This sounds like a straw man written by a Calvinist, trying to slander Hyper-Calvinism, making it sound like it is not even Christianity (you don't have to believe in Jesus to have salvation). I am going to quote the definition of Hyper-Calvinism from Toon's book, page 144, where he defines it. This will give us a clear definition. I am going to delete the text cited above, since it is without citations, and it contradicts Toon's definition, for the aforementioned reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgrupp ( talk • contribs) 07:15, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
I see you reverted my block quote. Fine, but the opening sentence you have is incorrect, absolutely not at all the definition of Hyper-Calvinism, and no citation connected to that definition. I will write a replacement sentence, based on Toon's work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgrupp ( talk • contribs) 03:05, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
I want to start off by recognizing that folks have put work into this article since 2004. So, it's a bit awkward addressing the problems with it. Nonetheless,
Maybe there's an earlier version of this article without these problems? Currently it reads more like a personal theological essay than WP. It seems I'm not the first person to mention this, so I'm sorry that other editors have not helped fix the situation. ProfGray ( talk) 15:57, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
The current version is based on a religious POVs that are antagonistic to the purported object of study (if there is a distinct branch of Calvinist theology for this article), emphasis added:
These definitions are unacceptable for an encyclopedia article about a "branch of theology." ProfGray ( talk) 15:10, 25 July 2022 (UTC)