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DJ and I have moved massive slabs of text from Mel Gibson to The Passion and Hutton Gibson. -- Uncle Ed 14:52, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Walt Disney's parents, grand parents and great grand parents are here. Do we really need to worry about it? RickK 06:36, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)
This page was removed from VfD on October 3rd because the majority wanted it kept.
Hutton said that there was not enough fuel to burn the bodies of the millions of Jews killed. "It takes 20 liters to burn a body." It takes a lot of power to burn roast beef too, but once it sets on fire more beef would just add to the flames. Bodies do burn. I suppose that Hutton is one of the nuts that say the whole U.S. space program is a farce produced in Hollywood. (UTC)
To the person that answered, go deny the holocaust somewhere else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.158.18.11 ( talk) 14:45, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
I removed the word 'mainstream' because it's one of those weasel adjectives that revisionists use to cast doubt on the veracity of proper historical research. Revisionists like to think of themselves on the cutting edge of history, away from the mainstream (excuse the mixed metaphor). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.144.149 ( talk • contribs) 2006-08-22T07:41:58
"Mel also firmly dismissed rumours which depict his father as being an "anti-Semite", pointing out friendship between Hutton and certain Jewish Catholics."
What the hell is a Jewish Catholic? If nobody finds a source for this sentence within a week, I'm deleting it. -- GHcool 07:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
"Pal" is spelled with one L genius. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.158.18.11 ( talk) 14:47, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
I removed some material that I couldn't source to the mentioned citation. Anyways, -- Tom 15:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Hutton Gibson has endorsed Ron Paul. [1] -- noosph e re 14:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
We have links to a blog and a Myspace page. Is that at all appropriate? Wowest ( talk) 19:11, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I removed them because they seem fake. The real Hutton Gibson wouldn't need to plagiarize wikipedia for his biography. Claisen ( talk) 01:33, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
DumZiBoT ( talk) 03:49, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
There is some questionable, controversial and even libelous material here that will be removed per WP:BLP by tonight or tomorrow am if it is not sourced. I have not put up the {BLP dispute} notice here like I did on Mel Gibson but the same rules apply- such info can and should be removed IMMEDIATELY. This is not a matter for discussion on whether unsourced material can stay, as someone mistakenly wrote on my talk page. Carol Moore 15:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC) Carolmooredc
Shouldn't there be some more information/focus on the fact that this man is a noted Holocaust denier?? WacoJacko ( talk) 08:27, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
The radio interview does not indicate that Gibson entirely denies the "existence" of the Holocaust. He calls the term "Holocaust" a misnomer and states an opinion that "most" of it is a "lie". That isn't denying the existence of it - it is questioning the extent of it and the name given to it. In no ways do I defend his views but to claim that "by his words" he has "denied the existence" of the Holocaust is simply not supported by the reference and is therefore an unreferenced BLP violation and original research. My rephrasing of the text was responsible and reflected the actual reference. Afterwriting ( talk) 08:48, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Talk:David_Cole is releasing an interview with Hutton Gibson. [1] [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.91.228 ( talk) 01:57, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
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I came to the article just now, wanting to read up on Mel Gibson's family. However had, the very first paragraph already casts a very negative light on him. And this is strange, because even if these statements are true, WHY are they in the very first part? Why not a separate subsection lateron? I reason that people who come to the page may be more interested in his whole life - not necessarily the one that wikipedia seeks to convey and portray initially. Who wrote that page? Anyway, my gripe is not with the content per se (I have no means to verify any of it), but with the STRUCTURE. I reason that it should not be the introduction, because as it is, it is a very negative and biased introduction and hardly seems to be objective enough - unless you do this for EVERYONE ELSE too. So my suggestion is to word the general introduction less biased, and if you still want to retain criticism, do so in separate subsections lateron. As it presently is, I am being presented with information that is only marginally interesting to me on the INITIAL first page, but whoever wrote it clearly had an agenda to WANT to convey and portray it that way, which I don't think is appropriate for wikipedia. Wikipedia should be objective as much as possible; factual statements are great, but they should be presented in a factual manner too, rather than suddenly become the dominating factor on a given person's webpage per se, as the introduction. 2A02:8388:1641:8380:3AD5:47FF:FE18:CC7F ( talk) 22:49, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
was just removed. That was a weird way of putting it, so the wording itself is no big loss. But now, the word "antisemitism" is gone completely from the article. Do we have no sources on Gibson's antisemitism? Or is this anti-Judaism, its predecessor? Before the nineteenth century, repression and massacres of Jews were motivated by religion, and then antisemitism was invented - calling Jews a "race" - and replaced it as a murder motive. This whole biography seems like "antisemitism" is indeed the wrong word. He seems to have more in common with the crusaders who, on their way to Palestine, slaughtered all the Jewish "Christ killers" they found, than with the race fanatics Wagner, Chamberlain and Hitler. What do the sources say? -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 05:53, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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DJ and I have moved massive slabs of text from Mel Gibson to The Passion and Hutton Gibson. -- Uncle Ed 14:52, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Walt Disney's parents, grand parents and great grand parents are here. Do we really need to worry about it? RickK 06:36, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)
This page was removed from VfD on October 3rd because the majority wanted it kept.
Hutton said that there was not enough fuel to burn the bodies of the millions of Jews killed. "It takes 20 liters to burn a body." It takes a lot of power to burn roast beef too, but once it sets on fire more beef would just add to the flames. Bodies do burn. I suppose that Hutton is one of the nuts that say the whole U.S. space program is a farce produced in Hollywood. (UTC)
To the person that answered, go deny the holocaust somewhere else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.158.18.11 ( talk) 14:45, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
I removed the word 'mainstream' because it's one of those weasel adjectives that revisionists use to cast doubt on the veracity of proper historical research. Revisionists like to think of themselves on the cutting edge of history, away from the mainstream (excuse the mixed metaphor). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.144.149 ( talk • contribs) 2006-08-22T07:41:58
"Mel also firmly dismissed rumours which depict his father as being an "anti-Semite", pointing out friendship between Hutton and certain Jewish Catholics."
What the hell is a Jewish Catholic? If nobody finds a source for this sentence within a week, I'm deleting it. -- GHcool 07:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
"Pal" is spelled with one L genius. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.158.18.11 ( talk) 14:47, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
I removed some material that I couldn't source to the mentioned citation. Anyways, -- Tom 15:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Hutton Gibson has endorsed Ron Paul. [1] -- noosph e re 14:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
We have links to a blog and a Myspace page. Is that at all appropriate? Wowest ( talk) 19:11, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I removed them because they seem fake. The real Hutton Gibson wouldn't need to plagiarize wikipedia for his biography. Claisen ( talk) 01:33, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
DumZiBoT ( talk) 03:49, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
There is some questionable, controversial and even libelous material here that will be removed per WP:BLP by tonight or tomorrow am if it is not sourced. I have not put up the {BLP dispute} notice here like I did on Mel Gibson but the same rules apply- such info can and should be removed IMMEDIATELY. This is not a matter for discussion on whether unsourced material can stay, as someone mistakenly wrote on my talk page. Carol Moore 15:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC) Carolmooredc
Shouldn't there be some more information/focus on the fact that this man is a noted Holocaust denier?? WacoJacko ( talk) 08:27, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
The radio interview does not indicate that Gibson entirely denies the "existence" of the Holocaust. He calls the term "Holocaust" a misnomer and states an opinion that "most" of it is a "lie". That isn't denying the existence of it - it is questioning the extent of it and the name given to it. In no ways do I defend his views but to claim that "by his words" he has "denied the existence" of the Holocaust is simply not supported by the reference and is therefore an unreferenced BLP violation and original research. My rephrasing of the text was responsible and reflected the actual reference. Afterwriting ( talk) 08:48, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Talk:David_Cole is releasing an interview with Hutton Gibson. [1] [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.91.228 ( talk) 01:57, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
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I came to the article just now, wanting to read up on Mel Gibson's family. However had, the very first paragraph already casts a very negative light on him. And this is strange, because even if these statements are true, WHY are they in the very first part? Why not a separate subsection lateron? I reason that people who come to the page may be more interested in his whole life - not necessarily the one that wikipedia seeks to convey and portray initially. Who wrote that page? Anyway, my gripe is not with the content per se (I have no means to verify any of it), but with the STRUCTURE. I reason that it should not be the introduction, because as it is, it is a very negative and biased introduction and hardly seems to be objective enough - unless you do this for EVERYONE ELSE too. So my suggestion is to word the general introduction less biased, and if you still want to retain criticism, do so in separate subsections lateron. As it presently is, I am being presented with information that is only marginally interesting to me on the INITIAL first page, but whoever wrote it clearly had an agenda to WANT to convey and portray it that way, which I don't think is appropriate for wikipedia. Wikipedia should be objective as much as possible; factual statements are great, but they should be presented in a factual manner too, rather than suddenly become the dominating factor on a given person's webpage per se, as the introduction. 2A02:8388:1641:8380:3AD5:47FF:FE18:CC7F ( talk) 22:49, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
was just removed. That was a weird way of putting it, so the wording itself is no big loss. But now, the word "antisemitism" is gone completely from the article. Do we have no sources on Gibson's antisemitism? Or is this anti-Judaism, its predecessor? Before the nineteenth century, repression and massacres of Jews were motivated by religion, and then antisemitism was invented - calling Jews a "race" - and replaced it as a murder motive. This whole biography seems like "antisemitism" is indeed the wrong word. He seems to have more in common with the crusaders who, on their way to Palestine, slaughtered all the Jewish "Christ killers" they found, than with the race fanatics Wagner, Chamberlain and Hitler. What do the sources say? -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 05:53, 22 September 2020 (UTC)