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Does WP:ENGVAR apply to categories as well as articles? Seeing as the spelling of "organised" is used in Ireland whereas "organized" is used in the USA, should there be categories that use the former spelling in parallel with the latter? Autarch ( talk) 22:34, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Propose changing name from 2015-16 to 2015-17 as the feud is ongoing. Ănes-pur-sĂ ng ( talk) 20:11, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Looking at H:DL, it says that Do not use a semicolon (;) simply to bold a line without defining a value using a colon (:). This usage renders invalid HTML5 and creates issues with screen readers. Probably best to have section headers instead. Autarch ( talk) 13:18, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
I tagged the article because there is no context or background provided (other than that there's a "feud") for a long list of murders. There's a background section in place that nobody has ever provided content for. It appears that the article has been like this for several years. Hopefully the tags will motivate someone who's interested in the topic to provide information to help readers make sense of it all. Schazjmd (talk) 22:02, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: MOVE to HutchâKinahan feud. Although KinahanâHutch feud may be slightly more prevalent, as acknowledged by the OP, HutchâKinahan feud is "actually marginally less prevalent". As pointed-out by participants, consistency urges us to give the title in alphabetical order more weight as that is common practice in similar article titles. ---Â Coffeeand crumbs 17:58, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
2015â19 Irish gangland feud â
Kinahan-Hutch feud (EDIT: or
Hutch-Kinahan feud) â
I noticed this evening that some IP edit have added murders that do not seem to be related to the Hutch-Kinahan feud, including some that predate the start of the feud (which was in 2015). At least one has removed sourced material related to the feud. The users involved are: 213.202.136.217, 88.202.161.17 (deleted Clive Staunton shooting), 78.19.254.214 (added murders preceding start of feud), 78.18.18.60 (added unsourced claims, including a version of Clive Staunton murder without references - added shooting that may not be related to feud, was temporarily blocked for disruptive edits), 137.191.229.4, 78.18.115.211 (added possibly unrelated murder), 78.18.238.156, 78.18.19.209 (added multiple apparently unrelated murders, was warned about disruptive edits), 213.202.136.217 (added murders possibly not related - was warned about edits to other articles).
At one point the IP address edits had the article in such poor shape that it was nominated for deletion. It seems to be one person doing these IP addresses as they have the following traits in common:
The original name of the article may have given someone the impression that all organised crime murders were covered by it - but some of those added may not be related to organised crime. The editor is possibly editing in good faith, but seems to lack the skills to write clearly and to reference articles. At the very least the article needs a cleanup to:
Given that the edits are made by someone using only an IP address it may be necessary to get the page protected. Autarch ( talk) 22:07, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Which should be followed? Where they agree:
Autarch ( talk) 22:39, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
The total number of fatalities was one of the details vandalised by anon IP editors late last year. The reference in the infobox puts it at 18 - this is consistent with the number of subsections with the word "murder" in them. Autarch ( talk) 14:14, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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Murders of Sean Little and Vincent Ryan respectively are not in any way linked to the Hutch-Kinahan feud. This is clear mis-information. Please remove both texts completely from this article. 79.97.40.111 ( talk) 16:17, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
He was also close to people centrally involved in the Kinahan-Hutch feud, and although not currently cited in the article (I will add it shortly, since the current reference doesn't mention the feud) RTĂ say Vincent Ryan was
the fifth victim of the ongoing Hutch-Kinahan feud. I am happy to further discuss whether Sean Little needs to be removed though. FDW777 ( talk) 16:24, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
The RS state that the total number of dead in the feud is 18 - but the total number of deaths on this page is more than that. The excess deaths are part of the Coolock feud, so I suggest merging information from this page that overlaps with the Coolock feud there. Autarch ( talk) 10:10, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
This article should be renamed Kinahan-Hutch feud. More sources call it that than Hutch-Kinahan. 7 cited sources have Kinahan-Hutch in the title, 3 have Hutch-Kinahan. Xx78900 ( talk) 15:08, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Have you actually read the discussions above?
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After rebuilding the article I have removed the tag.... please feel free to return it or part of it if you feel items are still missing. Ănes-pur-sĂ ng ( talk) 07:39, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
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Does WP:ENGVAR apply to categories as well as articles? Seeing as the spelling of "organised" is used in Ireland whereas "organized" is used in the USA, should there be categories that use the former spelling in parallel with the latter? Autarch ( talk) 22:34, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Propose changing name from 2015-16 to 2015-17 as the feud is ongoing. Ănes-pur-sĂ ng ( talk) 20:11, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Looking at H:DL, it says that Do not use a semicolon (;) simply to bold a line without defining a value using a colon (:). This usage renders invalid HTML5 and creates issues with screen readers. Probably best to have section headers instead. Autarch ( talk) 13:18, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
I tagged the article because there is no context or background provided (other than that there's a "feud") for a long list of murders. There's a background section in place that nobody has ever provided content for. It appears that the article has been like this for several years. Hopefully the tags will motivate someone who's interested in the topic to provide information to help readers make sense of it all. Schazjmd (talk) 22:02, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: MOVE to HutchâKinahan feud. Although KinahanâHutch feud may be slightly more prevalent, as acknowledged by the OP, HutchâKinahan feud is "actually marginally less prevalent". As pointed-out by participants, consistency urges us to give the title in alphabetical order more weight as that is common practice in similar article titles. ---Â Coffeeand crumbs 17:58, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
2015â19 Irish gangland feud â
Kinahan-Hutch feud (EDIT: or
Hutch-Kinahan feud) â
I noticed this evening that some IP edit have added murders that do not seem to be related to the Hutch-Kinahan feud, including some that predate the start of the feud (which was in 2015). At least one has removed sourced material related to the feud. The users involved are: 213.202.136.217, 88.202.161.17 (deleted Clive Staunton shooting), 78.19.254.214 (added murders preceding start of feud), 78.18.18.60 (added unsourced claims, including a version of Clive Staunton murder without references - added shooting that may not be related to feud, was temporarily blocked for disruptive edits), 137.191.229.4, 78.18.115.211 (added possibly unrelated murder), 78.18.238.156, 78.18.19.209 (added multiple apparently unrelated murders, was warned about disruptive edits), 213.202.136.217 (added murders possibly not related - was warned about edits to other articles).
At one point the IP address edits had the article in such poor shape that it was nominated for deletion. It seems to be one person doing these IP addresses as they have the following traits in common:
The original name of the article may have given someone the impression that all organised crime murders were covered by it - but some of those added may not be related to organised crime. The editor is possibly editing in good faith, but seems to lack the skills to write clearly and to reference articles. At the very least the article needs a cleanup to:
Given that the edits are made by someone using only an IP address it may be necessary to get the page protected. Autarch ( talk) 22:07, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Which should be followed? Where they agree:
Autarch ( talk) 22:39, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
The total number of fatalities was one of the details vandalised by anon IP editors late last year. The reference in the infobox puts it at 18 - this is consistent with the number of subsections with the word "murder" in them. Autarch ( talk) 14:14, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Murders of Sean Little and Vincent Ryan respectively are not in any way linked to the Hutch-Kinahan feud. This is clear mis-information. Please remove both texts completely from this article. 79.97.40.111 ( talk) 16:17, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
He was also close to people centrally involved in the Kinahan-Hutch feud, and although not currently cited in the article (I will add it shortly, since the current reference doesn't mention the feud) RTĂ say Vincent Ryan was
the fifth victim of the ongoing Hutch-Kinahan feud. I am happy to further discuss whether Sean Little needs to be removed though. FDW777 ( talk) 16:24, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
The RS state that the total number of dead in the feud is 18 - but the total number of deaths on this page is more than that. The excess deaths are part of the Coolock feud, so I suggest merging information from this page that overlaps with the Coolock feud there. Autarch ( talk) 10:10, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
This article should be renamed Kinahan-Hutch feud. More sources call it that than Hutch-Kinahan. 7 cited sources have Kinahan-Hutch in the title, 3 have Hutch-Kinahan. Xx78900 ( talk) 15:08, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Have you actually read the discussions above?
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After rebuilding the article I have removed the tag.... please feel free to return it or part of it if you feel items are still missing. Ănes-pur-sĂ ng ( talk) 07:39, 14 April 2023 (UTC)