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Is it really a good idea to slap on the latest NHC guidance track on Wikipedia? While I certainly would trust the NHC, I don't think it's necessarily in the form of an encyclopedia to put down a graphic that is subjective.
Well i would think it is a good idea as it demonstrates where all the hurricanne watches/warnings are Jason Rees 02:06, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Since Noel has affected most of the Carribean and it looks likely it may affect the USA/Canada, is it going to be a good idea to use the Same box for deaths as we used for dean if Noel becomes a hurricanne??
Besides, Noel won't be a Hurricane by the time it makes landfall in the Maritimes. Extratropical Storm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.7.217.94 ( talk) 13:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, Noel is (and will be when it hits the Maritimes) a category one hurricane. It may become extratropical and just be a noreaster, though. Juliancolton 18:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Can we not get any false-colour images including IR channels that clearly show the land-sea boundary? MODIS does provide these channels. 82.71.48.158 14:42, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
The article section organization is a little odd. Hispanolia is not considered western caribbean, nor is jamacia, etc.. A far better organization would be Lesser Antillies in one section and Great Antillies in another (Peurto Rico info thus moved to Greater section). As it stands now the article uses two different naming styles and not even accurately. Russeasby 21:21, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I think that there should be a section about the preparations and possible effects on New England that noel will have. Any thoughts? Juliancolton 18:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
It's going to have much more effect on Nova Scotia, where it will make direct hit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.59.177 ( talk) 20:48, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
But since Noel is no longer tropical, but a strong mid-latitude storm, should there still be a mention of a landfall in Canada? Juliancolton 14:57, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree. Agnes is also considered very significant in hurricane lore because its "extratropical landfall" (which essentially had the rain and almost the wind of a "Category 1") occured almost right over New York City (though most of the damage and casualties actually occurred inland in northeast Penn. and upstate NY). It is probably the only storm to have its name retired because of what it did while "extratropical" (though the Weather Channel thinks Noel will be retired too). This will be the biggest such storm in Atlantic Canada since Hurricane Juan (and thus one of the biggest storms in their history). hairymon 15:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
This article is bound to become pretty big. There is plenty of information out there to expand the tropical sections much more, and more will come as more reports come out. Seeing as Noel is shaping up to be a significant extratropical storm, I propose the Meteorology WikiProject make an article on the extratropical storm that was once Noel; perhaps November 2007 nor'easter? Starting as a sandbox would be a good idea, as there is still the chance it doesn't do much as an extratropical storm. This article could cover a brief (few sentences to 1 paragraph) of its storm history after becoming extratropical, and maybe mention just the overall impact. Then, the other article could give it details galore for New England and Canada (and other areas of NE US). The other article wouldn't have to have the name Noel in the title, seeing as Noel was the name of the tropical cyclone, but it should mention it. Hurricanehink ( talk) 16:02, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
The article isnt that big and probally the only major effects on Atlantic Canada will be widespread blackouts and downed trees with some potential damage to wharves due to storm surge. 156.34.66.74 16:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree that there should be a seperate article about noel after it became extratropical. I also like the idea of an article titled November 2007 Nor'easter. I just think that the article should not have too much mention on the actuall affects of the storm when it was still tropical. Juliancolton 23:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
No there shouldnt be another article on ET Noel as the only reason that i can see being putting forward at the minute that i can see is utter tosh as the space shuttle mission pages when complete are nearly 70KB long and even the Katrina (05) page is over 100Kb . Jason Rees 23:48, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I think one page is fine. If the article gets too big, we could create subarticles for Impact of Noel (by region if necessary), Pets frightened by Noel, etcetera.
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Somehow I don't understand why one should consider a renaming to November 2007 Nor'easter as an Nor'easter is a storm coming from the Northeast and not going there. However, CHC is calling the storm Post-tropical storm Noel. -- 213.155.231.26 18:15, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
A noreaster does not come from the northeast, but rather the from the southwest and moves along the east coast. A nor'easter is so named because the winds in a nor'easter come from the northeast. Juliancolton 20:41, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I was planning on starting an article titled Effects of Hurricane Noel (2007) on New England and then mabey another one: Effects of Hurricane Noel (2007) on Atlantic Canada. Any reason I should not wrtie this article? Post any thoughts on my talk page. Juliancolton 19:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Hurricane Noel is now considered a Extratropical Cyclone so I have fixed the Hurricane Warning Notice to "Extratropical Noel"- November 3, 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.204.47.67 ( talk) 18:23, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, since the CHC is the only storm centre that is tracking the storm specifically, and it is thus the only centre that has given it a prefix after transition, then we should go with them, even though they're not official. IPchanges the box 12:17, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Yahoo says that the Dominican Republic is requesting $100 million dollars in aid to help cleanup storm damage. Should we put this under damage in the infobox? :@ 156.34.64.164 17:17, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Would it be helpful to include the correct pronunciation after "Hurricane Noel..." I, and a few others thought it was the two syllable Noel (No-eL) instead of the one syllable name. -- Darkdan 04:49, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
If it was "No-el", it would have had an umlaut over the 'o'. Nice try. 142.167.231.141 13:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
The National Weather Service on thier pronunciation guide says that Noel is pronounced by the one-syllable version. "Noel NOL" is how they depict the name. Juliancolton 21:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I would like to see a good reference on the 10 million dollar figure, it seems quite unlikely considering the storm's effects on Hispaniola. The article states at least 30 million in crop damages in the Dominican Republic. 72.205.60.115 23:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Most news sites say 10s of millions dollars in damage so 10m would be at the low end but if 30m in crop damages has been done it should be updated. 204.82.159.219 13:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I've forgot to save that link - but a GFS map yesterday showed the storm at 973 mb in Labrador. Maybe it can be added with the link if it can be found in the appropriate area - although pressured not in the infobox since I guess that it is only the lowest pressure when having tropical characteristics.-- JForget 16:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
What do y'all think about using this table. I know that some people do not this table very much, though.
Deaths and damage from Hurricane Dean | ||||||||
Country | Total deaths |
State/ region |
State total |
County/ Municip. |
County total |
Direct deaths |
Damage (USD) |
Source |
Dominica | 2 | 2 | Unknown | [1] | ||||
Dominican Republic | 6 | 6 | Unknown | [2] | ||||
Haiti | 11 | 11 | Unknown | [3] | ||||
Jamaica | 3 | 3 | ~$2 billion | [4] [5] [6] | ||||
France | 2 | Martinique | 2 | 0 | ~$270 million | [7] | ||
Mexico | 14 | Hidalgo | 6 | Zacualtipán | 2 | 6 | ~$800 million | [8] [9] [10] |
Cuautepec | 2 | |||||||
San Agustín Tlaxiaca | 1 | |||||||
Pachuca | 1 | |||||||
Jalisco | 2 | Puerto Vallarta | 2 | 2 | [11] [12] | |||
Michoacán | 1 | Paracho | 1 | 1 | [8] [9] | |||
Puebla | 6 | Tepetzintla | 4 | 6 | [8] [13] | |||
Pahuatlán | 1 | |||||||
Unknown | 1 | |||||||
Veracruz | 1 | Xalapa | 1 | 0 | [14] [13] | |||
Nicaragua | 1 | 1 | Unknown | [15] | ||||
Saint Lucia | 1 | 1 | Unknown | [16] | ||||
United States | 1 | Florida | 1 | Sarasota | 1 | 1 | None | [17] |
Totals: | 42 | 39 | ~$3.8 billion | [18] | ||||
Because of differing sources, totals may not match. |
Juliancolton 02:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok. I will not put that up. Juliancolton 14:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
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I was under the impression that Noel caused record-breaking floods in Tabasco and other parts of Mexico, but that isn't mentioned at all. Can someone clarify? JQ 08:02, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, i know that this was already said, but the flooding was unrelated. Juliancolton 01:56, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I am supprised this is still a b class. The only problem i can see is the aftermath section, which i think needs a little more info. -- Juliancolton ( talk) 21:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
There's a separate sub-article on the effects in the U.S. That is up for featured article (FAC).
What should be do? Trim the section on US effects in this article? The untrimmed version is in the diffs.... http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Hurricane_Noel&diff=245733308&oldid=245188699
A trimmed version is being worked on and will appear shortly. Chergles ( talk) 21:20, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
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Is it really a good idea to slap on the latest NHC guidance track on Wikipedia? While I certainly would trust the NHC, I don't think it's necessarily in the form of an encyclopedia to put down a graphic that is subjective.
Well i would think it is a good idea as it demonstrates where all the hurricanne watches/warnings are Jason Rees 02:06, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Since Noel has affected most of the Carribean and it looks likely it may affect the USA/Canada, is it going to be a good idea to use the Same box for deaths as we used for dean if Noel becomes a hurricanne??
Besides, Noel won't be a Hurricane by the time it makes landfall in the Maritimes. Extratropical Storm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.7.217.94 ( talk) 13:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, Noel is (and will be when it hits the Maritimes) a category one hurricane. It may become extratropical and just be a noreaster, though. Juliancolton 18:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Can we not get any false-colour images including IR channels that clearly show the land-sea boundary? MODIS does provide these channels. 82.71.48.158 14:42, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
The article section organization is a little odd. Hispanolia is not considered western caribbean, nor is jamacia, etc.. A far better organization would be Lesser Antillies in one section and Great Antillies in another (Peurto Rico info thus moved to Greater section). As it stands now the article uses two different naming styles and not even accurately. Russeasby 21:21, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I think that there should be a section about the preparations and possible effects on New England that noel will have. Any thoughts? Juliancolton 18:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
It's going to have much more effect on Nova Scotia, where it will make direct hit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.59.177 ( talk) 20:48, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
But since Noel is no longer tropical, but a strong mid-latitude storm, should there still be a mention of a landfall in Canada? Juliancolton 14:57, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree. Agnes is also considered very significant in hurricane lore because its "extratropical landfall" (which essentially had the rain and almost the wind of a "Category 1") occured almost right over New York City (though most of the damage and casualties actually occurred inland in northeast Penn. and upstate NY). It is probably the only storm to have its name retired because of what it did while "extratropical" (though the Weather Channel thinks Noel will be retired too). This will be the biggest such storm in Atlantic Canada since Hurricane Juan (and thus one of the biggest storms in their history). hairymon 15:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
This article is bound to become pretty big. There is plenty of information out there to expand the tropical sections much more, and more will come as more reports come out. Seeing as Noel is shaping up to be a significant extratropical storm, I propose the Meteorology WikiProject make an article on the extratropical storm that was once Noel; perhaps November 2007 nor'easter? Starting as a sandbox would be a good idea, as there is still the chance it doesn't do much as an extratropical storm. This article could cover a brief (few sentences to 1 paragraph) of its storm history after becoming extratropical, and maybe mention just the overall impact. Then, the other article could give it details galore for New England and Canada (and other areas of NE US). The other article wouldn't have to have the name Noel in the title, seeing as Noel was the name of the tropical cyclone, but it should mention it. Hurricanehink ( talk) 16:02, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
The article isnt that big and probally the only major effects on Atlantic Canada will be widespread blackouts and downed trees with some potential damage to wharves due to storm surge. 156.34.66.74 16:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree that there should be a seperate article about noel after it became extratropical. I also like the idea of an article titled November 2007 Nor'easter. I just think that the article should not have too much mention on the actuall affects of the storm when it was still tropical. Juliancolton 23:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
No there shouldnt be another article on ET Noel as the only reason that i can see being putting forward at the minute that i can see is utter tosh as the space shuttle mission pages when complete are nearly 70KB long and even the Katrina (05) page is over 100Kb . Jason Rees 23:48, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I think one page is fine. If the article gets too big, we could create subarticles for Impact of Noel (by region if necessary), Pets frightened by Noel, etcetera.
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06:20, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Somehow I don't understand why one should consider a renaming to November 2007 Nor'easter as an Nor'easter is a storm coming from the Northeast and not going there. However, CHC is calling the storm Post-tropical storm Noel. -- 213.155.231.26 18:15, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
A noreaster does not come from the northeast, but rather the from the southwest and moves along the east coast. A nor'easter is so named because the winds in a nor'easter come from the northeast. Juliancolton 20:41, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I was planning on starting an article titled Effects of Hurricane Noel (2007) on New England and then mabey another one: Effects of Hurricane Noel (2007) on Atlantic Canada. Any reason I should not wrtie this article? Post any thoughts on my talk page. Juliancolton 19:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Hurricane Noel is now considered a Extratropical Cyclone so I have fixed the Hurricane Warning Notice to "Extratropical Noel"- November 3, 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.204.47.67 ( talk) 18:23, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, since the CHC is the only storm centre that is tracking the storm specifically, and it is thus the only centre that has given it a prefix after transition, then we should go with them, even though they're not official. IPchanges the box 12:17, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Yahoo says that the Dominican Republic is requesting $100 million dollars in aid to help cleanup storm damage. Should we put this under damage in the infobox? :@ 156.34.64.164 17:17, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Would it be helpful to include the correct pronunciation after "Hurricane Noel..." I, and a few others thought it was the two syllable Noel (No-eL) instead of the one syllable name. -- Darkdan 04:49, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
If it was "No-el", it would have had an umlaut over the 'o'. Nice try. 142.167.231.141 13:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
The National Weather Service on thier pronunciation guide says that Noel is pronounced by the one-syllable version. "Noel NOL" is how they depict the name. Juliancolton 21:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I would like to see a good reference on the 10 million dollar figure, it seems quite unlikely considering the storm's effects on Hispaniola. The article states at least 30 million in crop damages in the Dominican Republic. 72.205.60.115 23:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Most news sites say 10s of millions dollars in damage so 10m would be at the low end but if 30m in crop damages has been done it should be updated. 204.82.159.219 13:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I've forgot to save that link - but a GFS map yesterday showed the storm at 973 mb in Labrador. Maybe it can be added with the link if it can be found in the appropriate area - although pressured not in the infobox since I guess that it is only the lowest pressure when having tropical characteristics.-- JForget 16:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
What do y'all think about using this table. I know that some people do not this table very much, though.
Deaths and damage from Hurricane Dean | ||||||||
Country | Total deaths |
State/ region |
State total |
County/ Municip. |
County total |
Direct deaths |
Damage (USD) |
Source |
Dominica | 2 | 2 | Unknown | [1] | ||||
Dominican Republic | 6 | 6 | Unknown | [2] | ||||
Haiti | 11 | 11 | Unknown | [3] | ||||
Jamaica | 3 | 3 | ~$2 billion | [4] [5] [6] | ||||
France | 2 | Martinique | 2 | 0 | ~$270 million | [7] | ||
Mexico | 14 | Hidalgo | 6 | Zacualtipán | 2 | 6 | ~$800 million | [8] [9] [10] |
Cuautepec | 2 | |||||||
San Agustín Tlaxiaca | 1 | |||||||
Pachuca | 1 | |||||||
Jalisco | 2 | Puerto Vallarta | 2 | 2 | [11] [12] | |||
Michoacán | 1 | Paracho | 1 | 1 | [8] [9] | |||
Puebla | 6 | Tepetzintla | 4 | 6 | [8] [13] | |||
Pahuatlán | 1 | |||||||
Unknown | 1 | |||||||
Veracruz | 1 | Xalapa | 1 | 0 | [14] [13] | |||
Nicaragua | 1 | 1 | Unknown | [15] | ||||
Saint Lucia | 1 | 1 | Unknown | [16] | ||||
United States | 1 | Florida | 1 | Sarasota | 1 | 1 | None | [17] |
Totals: | 42 | 39 | ~$3.8 billion | [18] | ||||
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Ok. I will not put that up. Juliancolton 14:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
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I was under the impression that Noel caused record-breaking floods in Tabasco and other parts of Mexico, but that isn't mentioned at all. Can someone clarify? JQ 08:02, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, i know that this was already said, but the flooding was unrelated. Juliancolton 01:56, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I am supprised this is still a b class. The only problem i can see is the aftermath section, which i think needs a little more info. -- Juliancolton ( talk) 21:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
There's a separate sub-article on the effects in the U.S. That is up for featured article (FAC).
What should be do? Trim the section on US effects in this article? The untrimmed version is in the diffs.... http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Hurricane_Noel&diff=245733308&oldid=245188699
A trimmed version is being worked on and will appear shortly. Chergles ( talk) 21:20, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
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Could be better in B6, but overall it is a B. Titoxd( ?!? - cool stuff) 21:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC) |
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