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Since when is Iniki Hawaiian for Enid?
I lived thru Iniki, and I have never heard anything about it being called Enid. From what I remember, Iniki is a word for "Fierce Wind." I could understand if Iniki and Enid started with the same letter, but they don't, so it can't be a renamed storm or anything... --Max Johnson
I think the Hawaian people are intelligent enough to know our own language, (my grandfather spoke it fluently) but since written "proof" is asked for:
ʻiniki vi. To pinch, nip; sharp and piercing, as wind or pangs of love. (Probably ʻini- + -ki, transitivizer.) cf. ʻiniʻiniki, ʻīnikiniki. ʻIniki welawela, a sharp pinch. (PPN kiniti.)
Hawaiian Dictionary (Pukui/Elbert dictionary) Copyright © 2003 by University of Hawaiʻi Press
Hopefully this satisfies any insistence that "Enid" remain the definition of a storm that is a sharp and piercing wind. Does this satisfy, Golbez? - Kealaaumoe Brown, June 4, 2007
I have emailed the CPHC as requested.
I apologize to any good researchers and editors, but the stubborn attitude of a number of editors on this site has convinced me that Wikipedia is not a valid place for factual information. True researchers know how to find facts from different sources and especially which sources are more appropriate for which types of information. (As in the University of Hawaii Press being reliable for Hawaiian language facts.)
This site is too sloppy with who makes decisions and what is decided. It may sound like a beautiful idea, but it is irresponsible. Mature, experienced editors do not allow arrogant pride to cloud facts. Wikipedia does not have enough real editors checking the information being sent out to so many thousands of people every day.
I'm sure you will be pleased to know that I will not be coming back to this site except to make sure the proper changes are made to the Iniki definition.
Kealaaumoe Brown June 6, 2007
Jim Weyman June 25, 2007
I am the Director of the Central Pacific Hurricane Center (james.weyman@noaa.gov) and I would like to make some comments regarding this discussion and part of the beginning short write up on Hurricane Iniki: 1. After a detailed study and input from the University of Hawaii, Manoa Campus, Hawaiian Studies Department, the Central Pacific Hurricane Center is going to change our on-line report on Hurricane Iniki to read "Hurricane INIKI (Hawaiian for sharp and piercing wind)...". So we now confirmed Kealaaumoe Brown's and the Hawaiian Studies meaning is the correct one. 2. At the end of the first sentence, "in recorded history" should be "in the 20th century." 3. In the second paragraph, end of second sentence, it should read, "in the central Pacific." Because the east Pacific would include hurricanes which hit the Pacific side of Mexico or Central America. Thanks. James Weyman 00:01, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
In the area of hurricanes, the east Pacific does not include the central Pacific. The National Hurricane Center in Miami makes the forecasts and names tropical cyclones in the east Pacific. The Central Pacific Hurricane Center makes the forecasts and names tropical cyclone in the central Pacific. Even internationally, it is broken into central and east Pacific. Look at the World Meteorological Organization site and you will see Regional Specialized Meteorological Center (RSMC) Miami Hurricane Center is assigned the east Pacific and RSMC Honolulu Hurricane Center is assigned the central Pacific. So in the topic of hurricanes which this article is about, the central and east Pacific are divided nationally and internationally. For hurricanes, east Pacific does not include the central Pacific. I stand by my original change. Regarding recorded history, Samuel L. Shaw wrote "A History of Tropical Cyclones in the Central North Pacific (note use of Central) and the Hawaiian Islands 1832 - 1979" and published it in September 1981. In this document he describes the "North Kohala Cyclone" which passed over the northern part of the Big Island and Maui. Some could justifiably argue that this hurricane was as strong or stronger than Iniki. So saying Iniki was the strongest hurricane to hit Hawaii in the 20th Century is correct. Saying it is the strongest in recorded history may not be. James Weyman 01:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The 'storm history' for this storm is obnoxiously long. Jdorje 08:46, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
I lived through the storm at Puapu Beach. We were told soon after that it was a cat 5. One one govt website I saw it mentioned as un-categorized. Is 4 really correct? gary knopp
More impact, separate the preparations out of the storm history and put them into their own section, and the intro needs a little work. Jdorje 20:49, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Crap, no picture of it from that site. Oh well, I suppose it's good enough as it is. What more is needed for A class? Hurricanehink 20:22, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Is Iniki the costliest Pacific hurricane? It's certainly the most intense U.S. Pacific hurricane. These should be mentioned (probably in the intro and storm history). Should we have tables for these things (like {{ Costliest US Atlantic hurricanes}})? — jdorje ( talk) 23:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
So I guess it's the costliest U.S. Pacific hurricane? And, what's the source for this list? — jdorje ( talk) 01:36, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
We can't have a "trivia" section. However the info in it isn't trivia at all (except for the part about the coincidence). We should fold it into the impact or aftermath sections. — jdorje ( talk) 04:49, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
A trivia section would be great. Like did you know that this hurricane delayed filming of Jurassic Park? In some of the scenes the rain and clouds is from the storm. Filming had to be moved back to Universal Studios. Jurassic Park (film) 75.70.7.108 01:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
The article assessment recommended it, and I can't think of anything else to do here. And Hurricane Floyd has been promoted. — Cuiviénen ( Cuivië) 18:12, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
<------ Should we have a rare formation section? CPAC storms are rare, and Iniki is likely one of the strongest that formed in the basin (well, received its name in the basin). In addition, no tropical storm has hit Hawaii since Iniki. There could be enough information for a section like that. Hurricanehink 12:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Alright, I put it up for FAC. Be sure to bookmark the FAC page. Hurricanehink 19:56, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
The preparations and aftermath sections could do with a picture each. — jdorje ( talk) 00:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations everyone! We got another FA! Hurricanehink 12:37, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't the pronunciation be IPA? 74.106.19.218 00:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
"It was caused by Takuma Kobayashi" - seems like vandalism to me? – Rafiki ( talk) 09:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I thought that a huricane was only in the atlantic and when they were in the pacific that they were called typhoons? just asking, i could be wrong. Razor romance 14:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Where's the In Popular Culture section? Has Hurricane Iniki ever been mentioned on Buffy the Vampire Slayer? Surely a webcomic must have made some mention of it. Perhaps a video game contained some reference to it? With all the millions of garage bands out there, one of them must have written a song which at least referred to it in passing. All Wikipedia articles MUST contain an in popular culture section, with a bulleted list of trivia which readers can add to. If one isn't added promptly, then this article should surely be deleted, for utterly failing to live up to the standards which we, the Wikipedia reading public, have come to expect and depend on. -- Xyzzyplugh 18:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually trivia sections are being trimed down all over the place thus the addition of one would be pointless. - Dark Dragon Flame 18:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
It's interesting to note that you have managed to hide this away so that a Google search [2] for
doesn't find this article. Several which discuss and likely link to this article, but not this article itself. Gene Nygaard 19:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
so sick of hurricanes making featured articles
what about maths, science,culture, music, cars..etc etc —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.80.113.51 ( talk) 20:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC).
yea but that's only in march, I seen at least two more hurricans FA in the past few months
I'm sorry, but I feel this article is near FAR.
I encounter several problems. Y E Pacific Hurricane 22:49, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Hurricanehink, did you get through everything above? Can you resolve this? Perhaps it's there, but I couldn't find it. I found several other issues, so a close look might help. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:44, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
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@ KN2731: Have your issues above been resolved? If not, what still needs to be addressed? Z1720 ( talk) 02:54, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
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Since when is Iniki Hawaiian for Enid?
I lived thru Iniki, and I have never heard anything about it being called Enid. From what I remember, Iniki is a word for "Fierce Wind." I could understand if Iniki and Enid started with the same letter, but they don't, so it can't be a renamed storm or anything... --Max Johnson
I think the Hawaian people are intelligent enough to know our own language, (my grandfather spoke it fluently) but since written "proof" is asked for:
ʻiniki vi. To pinch, nip; sharp and piercing, as wind or pangs of love. (Probably ʻini- + -ki, transitivizer.) cf. ʻiniʻiniki, ʻīnikiniki. ʻIniki welawela, a sharp pinch. (PPN kiniti.)
Hawaiian Dictionary (Pukui/Elbert dictionary) Copyright © 2003 by University of Hawaiʻi Press
Hopefully this satisfies any insistence that "Enid" remain the definition of a storm that is a sharp and piercing wind. Does this satisfy, Golbez? - Kealaaumoe Brown, June 4, 2007
I have emailed the CPHC as requested.
I apologize to any good researchers and editors, but the stubborn attitude of a number of editors on this site has convinced me that Wikipedia is not a valid place for factual information. True researchers know how to find facts from different sources and especially which sources are more appropriate for which types of information. (As in the University of Hawaii Press being reliable for Hawaiian language facts.)
This site is too sloppy with who makes decisions and what is decided. It may sound like a beautiful idea, but it is irresponsible. Mature, experienced editors do not allow arrogant pride to cloud facts. Wikipedia does not have enough real editors checking the information being sent out to so many thousands of people every day.
I'm sure you will be pleased to know that I will not be coming back to this site except to make sure the proper changes are made to the Iniki definition.
Kealaaumoe Brown June 6, 2007
Jim Weyman June 25, 2007
I am the Director of the Central Pacific Hurricane Center (james.weyman@noaa.gov) and I would like to make some comments regarding this discussion and part of the beginning short write up on Hurricane Iniki: 1. After a detailed study and input from the University of Hawaii, Manoa Campus, Hawaiian Studies Department, the Central Pacific Hurricane Center is going to change our on-line report on Hurricane Iniki to read "Hurricane INIKI (Hawaiian for sharp and piercing wind)...". So we now confirmed Kealaaumoe Brown's and the Hawaiian Studies meaning is the correct one. 2. At the end of the first sentence, "in recorded history" should be "in the 20th century." 3. In the second paragraph, end of second sentence, it should read, "in the central Pacific." Because the east Pacific would include hurricanes which hit the Pacific side of Mexico or Central America. Thanks. James Weyman 00:01, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
In the area of hurricanes, the east Pacific does not include the central Pacific. The National Hurricane Center in Miami makes the forecasts and names tropical cyclones in the east Pacific. The Central Pacific Hurricane Center makes the forecasts and names tropical cyclone in the central Pacific. Even internationally, it is broken into central and east Pacific. Look at the World Meteorological Organization site and you will see Regional Specialized Meteorological Center (RSMC) Miami Hurricane Center is assigned the east Pacific and RSMC Honolulu Hurricane Center is assigned the central Pacific. So in the topic of hurricanes which this article is about, the central and east Pacific are divided nationally and internationally. For hurricanes, east Pacific does not include the central Pacific. I stand by my original change. Regarding recorded history, Samuel L. Shaw wrote "A History of Tropical Cyclones in the Central North Pacific (note use of Central) and the Hawaiian Islands 1832 - 1979" and published it in September 1981. In this document he describes the "North Kohala Cyclone" which passed over the northern part of the Big Island and Maui. Some could justifiably argue that this hurricane was as strong or stronger than Iniki. So saying Iniki was the strongest hurricane to hit Hawaii in the 20th Century is correct. Saying it is the strongest in recorded history may not be. James Weyman 01:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The 'storm history' for this storm is obnoxiously long. Jdorje 08:46, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
I lived through the storm at Puapu Beach. We were told soon after that it was a cat 5. One one govt website I saw it mentioned as un-categorized. Is 4 really correct? gary knopp
More impact, separate the preparations out of the storm history and put them into their own section, and the intro needs a little work. Jdorje 20:49, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Crap, no picture of it from that site. Oh well, I suppose it's good enough as it is. What more is needed for A class? Hurricanehink 20:22, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Is Iniki the costliest Pacific hurricane? It's certainly the most intense U.S. Pacific hurricane. These should be mentioned (probably in the intro and storm history). Should we have tables for these things (like {{ Costliest US Atlantic hurricanes}})? — jdorje ( talk) 23:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
So I guess it's the costliest U.S. Pacific hurricane? And, what's the source for this list? — jdorje ( talk) 01:36, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
We can't have a "trivia" section. However the info in it isn't trivia at all (except for the part about the coincidence). We should fold it into the impact or aftermath sections. — jdorje ( talk) 04:49, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
A trivia section would be great. Like did you know that this hurricane delayed filming of Jurassic Park? In some of the scenes the rain and clouds is from the storm. Filming had to be moved back to Universal Studios. Jurassic Park (film) 75.70.7.108 01:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
The article assessment recommended it, and I can't think of anything else to do here. And Hurricane Floyd has been promoted. — Cuiviénen ( Cuivië) 18:12, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
<------ Should we have a rare formation section? CPAC storms are rare, and Iniki is likely one of the strongest that formed in the basin (well, received its name in the basin). In addition, no tropical storm has hit Hawaii since Iniki. There could be enough information for a section like that. Hurricanehink 12:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Alright, I put it up for FAC. Be sure to bookmark the FAC page. Hurricanehink 19:56, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
The preparations and aftermath sections could do with a picture each. — jdorje ( talk) 00:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations everyone! We got another FA! Hurricanehink 12:37, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't the pronunciation be IPA? 74.106.19.218 00:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
"It was caused by Takuma Kobayashi" - seems like vandalism to me? – Rafiki ( talk) 09:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I thought that a huricane was only in the atlantic and when they were in the pacific that they were called typhoons? just asking, i could be wrong. Razor romance 14:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Where's the In Popular Culture section? Has Hurricane Iniki ever been mentioned on Buffy the Vampire Slayer? Surely a webcomic must have made some mention of it. Perhaps a video game contained some reference to it? With all the millions of garage bands out there, one of them must have written a song which at least referred to it in passing. All Wikipedia articles MUST contain an in popular culture section, with a bulleted list of trivia which readers can add to. If one isn't added promptly, then this article should surely be deleted, for utterly failing to live up to the standards which we, the Wikipedia reading public, have come to expect and depend on. -- Xyzzyplugh 18:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually trivia sections are being trimed down all over the place thus the addition of one would be pointless. - Dark Dragon Flame 18:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
It's interesting to note that you have managed to hide this away so that a Google search [2] for
doesn't find this article. Several which discuss and likely link to this article, but not this article itself. Gene Nygaard 19:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
so sick of hurricanes making featured articles
what about maths, science,culture, music, cars..etc etc —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.80.113.51 ( talk) 20:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC).
yea but that's only in march, I seen at least two more hurricans FA in the past few months
I'm sorry, but I feel this article is near FAR.
I encounter several problems. Y E Pacific Hurricane 22:49, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Hurricanehink, did you get through everything above? Can you resolve this? Perhaps it's there, but I couldn't find it. I found several other issues, so a close look might help. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:44, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
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Todo:
Will work on this over the next few days. ~ KN2731 { talk · contribs} 02:30, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
@ KN2731 and Hurricanehink: this is the first hurricane up at WP:URFA/2020, and it's time to get these moving to avoid a Featured article review. I have corrected the MOS:SANDWICHing. How is the rest of the list above progressing? It would be helpful to run through the article to check datedness and give date contexts for old statements like, "Hurricane Iniki was the most powerful hurricane to strike the U.S. state of Hawaii in recorded history", cited to a very old source. Are statements like this still true? Can "as of" dates be updated ? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:57, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
@ KN2731: Have your issues above been resolved? If not, what still needs to be addressed? Z1720 ( talk) 02:54, 29 October 2022 (UTC)