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A similar question was raised during Hurricane Dean. Is it possible to maintain a past-tense approach to this article other than in the leading sentence saying "Hurricane Felix is..."? For example, we could say "as of 5pm, the active warnings were...", rather than "as of 5pm, the active warnings are...". There are many other cases where present-tense may creep in to the article, but as we are basing this article on already available information, we can only really report what has already happened, not what is happening. This is a minor detail, but it would re-enforce the warning notice at the top of the article that the information in this article is not current. Sancho 22:15, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
It makes little linguistic sense to say "as of X, it is...". It only is if it truly is present tense, but 8am was be past the moment they issued the bulletin. -- Golbez 10:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Just like what was done with Dean, I moved Hurricane Felix to being a redirect to this page (and the dab was moved to Tropical Storm Felix). It seemed to work well, and the high intensity suggests that many will be looking straight for Felix. (If it fizzles, it can be relocated back) CrazyC83 00:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Is Hurricane Felix a Category 4 or a Category 5? The Weather Channel states its a Cat 4.
There's a comment that it's Sept 3 UTC, which is accurate. But from the discussion on Hurricane Dean I understood the policy on hurricanes was to give the local time of the notable event, in which case it would be late Sept 2. Bhudson 01:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Should we add the definition of Graupel, as most of the public doesnt know what it is (Snow thats rimmed by the wind)....... Anung Mwka 03:17, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Got a prelim storm track up at Felix 2007 track.png. Q T C 12:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
"Felix set records for the second fastest pressure drop in 12 hours (50 millibars) and the third fastest in 24 hours (63 millibars"
The 24-hour record at least is wrong - it should be fourth by my reckoning (after 97mb in Wilma, 72mb in Gilbert and 70mb in Rita). I don't know how I'm going to source this however. Pobbie Rarr 11:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I removed the section, seeing as there were no reliable sources. First, Ethel in 1960 officially has the record for fastest intensification from TD to Cat. 5. Second, the two Cat. 5 records isn't a storm record, it's a season record; seeing as Felix couldn't have done it without Dean, that record should go in the season page. Third, I'd like to see a NHC source saying that; at the very least, wait until post-season data to confirm it. The fourth is also a seasonal record. Hurricanehink ( talk) 13:56, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Records
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Shouldn't this article now be tracking this in either Central Standard Time instead of AST? It's been over land for the last several hours over Nic. and they are in Central Standard Time. What I'm not sure of is if they observe daylight savings or not. Jon 20:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
http://uk.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUKN0129218720070906
Should be 38.(Not that it won't be rising later) 66.75.25.210 01:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
52 of the 200 Miskito Indians who were missing at sea have been found alive. I am too busy to update the article unfortunately. http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN0129218720070906?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews. The great kawa 12:39, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Could you please change this table to fit in Felix. It could be very useful.
Deaths and damage from Hurricane Dean | ||||||||
Country | Total deaths |
State/ region |
State total |
County/ Municip. |
County total |
Direct deaths |
Damage (USD) |
Source |
Dominica | 2 | 2 | Unknown | [1] | ||||
Dominican Republic | 6 | 6 | Unknown | [2] | ||||
Haiti | 11 | 11 | Unknown | [3] | ||||
Jamaica | 3 | 3 | ~$2 billion | [4] [5] [6] | ||||
France | 2 | Martinique | 2 | 0 | ~$270 million | [7] | ||
Mexico | 14 | Hidalgo | 6 | Zacualtipán | 2 | 6 | ~$800 million | [8] [9] [10] |
Cuautepec | 2 | |||||||
San Agustín Tlaxiaca | 1 | |||||||
Pachuca | 1 | |||||||
Jalisco | 2 | Puerto Vallarta | 2 | 2 | [11] [12] | |||
Michoacán | 1 | Paracho | 1 | 1 | [8] [9] | |||
Puebla | 6 | Tepetzintla | 4 | 6 | [8] [13] | |||
Pahuatlán | 1 | |||||||
Unknown | 1 | |||||||
Veracruz | 1 | Xalapa | 1 | 0 | [14] [13] | |||
Nicaragua | 1 | 1 | Unknown | [15] | ||||
Saint Lucia | 1 | 1 | Unknown | [16] | ||||
United States | 1 | Florida | 1 | Sarasota | 1 | 1 | None | [17] |
Totals: | 42 | 39 | ~$3.8 billion | [18] | ||||
Because of differing sources, totals may not match. |
-- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 12:37, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Region | Deaths | Damage (2007 USD) |
---|---|---|
Lesser Antilles | 0 | $40,000 |
Venezuela | 1? | Unknown |
Nicaragua | 130 | N/A |
Honduras | 3 | N/A |
Guatemala | 0 | N/A |
Total | 133 | ? |
So are we inserting a table or not? I'll put the smaller one in if no one minds. Pobbie Rarr 21:55, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
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The two tags should be removed from the article. The system has fully dissipated as indiciated by both radar and satellite data from Mexico. The TPC has also issued its final advisory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theonlysilentbob ( talk • contribs) 18:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC) They should not have been removed. Significant thunderstorms are currently occurring in Southern Mexico and Guatemala, capable of flooding. 66.75.25.210 05:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Please get an updated track. I doubt it stopped on the Nicaragua/Honduras border. -- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 20:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
No. Because we Rely on the NHC best track data which left Felix on the Nicaragua/Honduras border. we will have to wait until the TCR comes out to see if we need to update the Track further. Jason Rees 02:13, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Also, why it isn't a cat 5 before landfall? -- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 10:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
please Read Above Comments before posting please The Fear god "Unfortunately, the track goes by 6 hour points. There are storms like this that have important intermediate points, and as a result there is a plan to possibly change the track map generator to add landfall and other intermediate points, but it is not the case as of now. Hurricanehink (talk) 14:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)" Thanks Jason Rees 19:40, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
"_ref-6" is a 404... http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/story/224930.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jelle ( talk • contribs) 20:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
It's got the prep, impact, and aftermath. What else? Juliancolton ( talk) 21:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Would they be appropriate for fixing up this article? Although it was quite a short-lived storm, I think we'd get interesting things in a storm history. Effects may be more difficult since major impacts were focused on one region...although I'd wait for the TCR to do such. CrazyC83 ( talk) 14:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Very in-depth article, and detailed.
So far (that's just the lead so far). More later. Howdoyouturnthison ( talk) 22:59, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I've given up reading the article, as it could honestly do with a thorough copy-edit. The text is confusing for someone like me who knows nothing about hurricanes. The Aftermaths and Retirement sections need expansion. This would not pass as a good article yet I'm afraid. Howdoyouturnthison ( talk) 13:26, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Aftermath? --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 04:17, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
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If I recall correctly, Hurricane Iota made landfall as a high-end Category 4. Wouldn't this make Felix still the southernmost Category 5 landfall? JoeMT615 ( talk) 22:02, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
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| remnant low = September 5
| dissipated = September 7, 2007
| basin = Atl
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| winds = 150
| pressure = 929
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| year = 2007
| fatalities = 130 direct, 3 indirect
| damage = 720000000
| damage-suffix = <br>([[List of costliest tropical cyclones|Tied as costliest]] [[tropical cyclone]] on record)
| areas = [[Trinidad and Tobago]], [[Windward Islands]], [[Venezuela]], [[Leeward Antilles]], [[Aruba]], [[Colombia]], [[Costa Rica]], [[Nicaragua]], [[Honduras]], [[El Salvador]], [[Belize]], [[Guatemala]], [[Mexico]]
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A similar question was raised during Hurricane Dean. Is it possible to maintain a past-tense approach to this article other than in the leading sentence saying "Hurricane Felix is..."? For example, we could say "as of 5pm, the active warnings were...", rather than "as of 5pm, the active warnings are...". There are many other cases where present-tense may creep in to the article, but as we are basing this article on already available information, we can only really report what has already happened, not what is happening. This is a minor detail, but it would re-enforce the warning notice at the top of the article that the information in this article is not current. Sancho 22:15, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
It makes little linguistic sense to say "as of X, it is...". It only is if it truly is present tense, but 8am was be past the moment they issued the bulletin. -- Golbez 10:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Just like what was done with Dean, I moved Hurricane Felix to being a redirect to this page (and the dab was moved to Tropical Storm Felix). It seemed to work well, and the high intensity suggests that many will be looking straight for Felix. (If it fizzles, it can be relocated back) CrazyC83 00:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Is Hurricane Felix a Category 4 or a Category 5? The Weather Channel states its a Cat 4.
There's a comment that it's Sept 3 UTC, which is accurate. But from the discussion on Hurricane Dean I understood the policy on hurricanes was to give the local time of the notable event, in which case it would be late Sept 2. Bhudson 01:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Should we add the definition of Graupel, as most of the public doesnt know what it is (Snow thats rimmed by the wind)....... Anung Mwka 03:17, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Got a prelim storm track up at Felix 2007 track.png. Q T C 12:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
"Felix set records for the second fastest pressure drop in 12 hours (50 millibars) and the third fastest in 24 hours (63 millibars"
The 24-hour record at least is wrong - it should be fourth by my reckoning (after 97mb in Wilma, 72mb in Gilbert and 70mb in Rita). I don't know how I'm going to source this however. Pobbie Rarr 11:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I removed the section, seeing as there were no reliable sources. First, Ethel in 1960 officially has the record for fastest intensification from TD to Cat. 5. Second, the two Cat. 5 records isn't a storm record, it's a season record; seeing as Felix couldn't have done it without Dean, that record should go in the season page. Third, I'd like to see a NHC source saying that; at the very least, wait until post-season data to confirm it. The fourth is also a seasonal record. Hurricanehink ( talk) 13:56, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Records
References
Shouldn't this article now be tracking this in either Central Standard Time instead of AST? It's been over land for the last several hours over Nic. and they are in Central Standard Time. What I'm not sure of is if they observe daylight savings or not. Jon 20:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
http://uk.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUKN0129218720070906
Should be 38.(Not that it won't be rising later) 66.75.25.210 01:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
52 of the 200 Miskito Indians who were missing at sea have been found alive. I am too busy to update the article unfortunately. http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN0129218720070906?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews. The great kawa 12:39, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Could you please change this table to fit in Felix. It could be very useful.
Deaths and damage from Hurricane Dean | ||||||||
Country | Total deaths |
State/ region |
State total |
County/ Municip. |
County total |
Direct deaths |
Damage (USD) |
Source |
Dominica | 2 | 2 | Unknown | [1] | ||||
Dominican Republic | 6 | 6 | Unknown | [2] | ||||
Haiti | 11 | 11 | Unknown | [3] | ||||
Jamaica | 3 | 3 | ~$2 billion | [4] [5] [6] | ||||
France | 2 | Martinique | 2 | 0 | ~$270 million | [7] | ||
Mexico | 14 | Hidalgo | 6 | Zacualtipán | 2 | 6 | ~$800 million | [8] [9] [10] |
Cuautepec | 2 | |||||||
San Agustín Tlaxiaca | 1 | |||||||
Pachuca | 1 | |||||||
Jalisco | 2 | Puerto Vallarta | 2 | 2 | [11] [12] | |||
Michoacán | 1 | Paracho | 1 | 1 | [8] [9] | |||
Puebla | 6 | Tepetzintla | 4 | 6 | [8] [13] | |||
Pahuatlán | 1 | |||||||
Unknown | 1 | |||||||
Veracruz | 1 | Xalapa | 1 | 0 | [14] [13] | |||
Nicaragua | 1 | 1 | Unknown | [15] | ||||
Saint Lucia | 1 | 1 | Unknown | [16] | ||||
United States | 1 | Florida | 1 | Sarasota | 1 | 1 | None | [17] |
Totals: | 42 | 39 | ~$3.8 billion | [18] | ||||
Because of differing sources, totals may not match. |
-- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 12:37, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Region | Deaths | Damage (2007 USD) |
---|---|---|
Lesser Antilles | 0 | $40,000 |
Venezuela | 1? | Unknown |
Nicaragua | 130 | N/A |
Honduras | 3 | N/A |
Guatemala | 0 | N/A |
Total | 133 | ? |
So are we inserting a table or not? I'll put the smaller one in if no one minds. Pobbie Rarr 21:55, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
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The two tags should be removed from the article. The system has fully dissipated as indiciated by both radar and satellite data from Mexico. The TPC has also issued its final advisory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theonlysilentbob ( talk • contribs) 18:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC) They should not have been removed. Significant thunderstorms are currently occurring in Southern Mexico and Guatemala, capable of flooding. 66.75.25.210 05:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Please get an updated track. I doubt it stopped on the Nicaragua/Honduras border. -- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 20:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
No. Because we Rely on the NHC best track data which left Felix on the Nicaragua/Honduras border. we will have to wait until the TCR comes out to see if we need to update the Track further. Jason Rees 02:13, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Also, why it isn't a cat 5 before landfall? -- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 10:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
please Read Above Comments before posting please The Fear god "Unfortunately, the track goes by 6 hour points. There are storms like this that have important intermediate points, and as a result there is a plan to possibly change the track map generator to add landfall and other intermediate points, but it is not the case as of now. Hurricanehink (talk) 14:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)" Thanks Jason Rees 19:40, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
"_ref-6" is a 404... http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/story/224930.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jelle ( talk • contribs) 20:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
It's got the prep, impact, and aftermath. What else? Juliancolton ( talk) 21:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Would they be appropriate for fixing up this article? Although it was quite a short-lived storm, I think we'd get interesting things in a storm history. Effects may be more difficult since major impacts were focused on one region...although I'd wait for the TCR to do such. CrazyC83 ( talk) 14:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Very in-depth article, and detailed.
So far (that's just the lead so far). More later. Howdoyouturnthison ( talk) 22:59, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I've given up reading the article, as it could honestly do with a thorough copy-edit. The text is confusing for someone like me who knows nothing about hurricanes. The Aftermaths and Retirement sections need expansion. This would not pass as a good article yet I'm afraid. Howdoyouturnthison ( talk) 13:26, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Aftermath? --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 04:17, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Hurricane Felix/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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If I recall correctly, Hurricane Iota made landfall as a high-end Category 4. Wouldn't this make Felix still the southernmost Category 5 landfall? JoeMT615 ( talk) 22:02, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
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| dissipated = September 7, 2007
| basin = Atl
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| year = 2007
| fatalities = 130 direct, 3 indirect
| damage = 720000000
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| areas = [[Trinidad and Tobago]], [[Windward Islands]], [[Venezuela]], [[Leeward Antilles]], [[Aruba]], [[Colombia]], [[Costa Rica]], [[Nicaragua]], [[Honduras]], [[El Salvador]], [[Belize]], [[Guatemala]], [[Mexico]]
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