Hurricane Diana was a Natural sciences good articles nominee, but did not meet the
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Thanks, I guess, but damn! I just tried a search, and there is nothing on this storm. Outside of the NHC report, there's next to no mention anywhere on the web. This article might be doomed to forever low-quality for an impact section. I expected something to be in the ReliefWeb Website, but nothing! There are little bits of information here and there, like Diana causing rainfall or encountering warm water temperatures, but there is not enough for an impact section. I'll try doing some more research another time, but this storm might be doomed.
Hurricanehink03:01, 2 February 2006 (UTC)reply
Yeah, it works now. BTW, at
Monthly Weather Review there are links to archives of *all* the MWR issues (by month). The NHC only includes excerpts from each year of articles they deem applicable (included as part of the re-analysis). If you find an article they've left out, you might want to contact them about it. —
jdorje (
talk)
20:16, 21 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Good news. I found a Spanish site (luckily I know Spanish fairly well), and I got a damage total and a death total. I found some more specifics, but there is absolutely nothing else out there on this storm. Does that qualify it for FA status by default? LOL, j/k, but this is one storm that is doomed in terms of information.
Hurricanehink04:02, 26 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Same problem with most Mexican storms a bit back in the past, sources are few and far between... but I am a native speaker, so I can translate a few things for this article.
Titoxd(
?!? -
help us)03:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Thanks, but I stole what I could and ran! You could mention how the sea turtles were affected from
this site, or keep saying what's already written of what's here, but I don't think there's anything else out there. You can check yourself though, seeing as you're native. You might catch something I missed.
Hurricanehink03:35, 28 March 2006 (UTC)reply
I would be fine reviewing this again, if you want, but would you mind addressing the comments from the first GAN? That way I (or anyone else) could see what progress has been made. --♫
Hurricanehink (
talk)
22:06, 10 June 2011 (UTC)reply
Lacking info
This article is greatly lacking in preparations, impact and aftermath. To expand these sections, look through news reports, situations reports, disaster databases and ReliefWeb. I would suggest withdrawing this article from GAN and work on expanding the article before revisiting GAN.
Cyclonebiskit (
talk)
19:36, 24 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Did you not read the discussion before this? There is really no other new reports, situation reports, disaster databases, and there is nothing at all of ReliefWeb. Even back then nearly 5 years ago it was nearly at its maximum content. Let me search Google News, I going to update the article a little bit, because its going to take probably at least a month for someone to be willing to assess the article.--
12george1 (
talk)
01:50, 26 December 2010 (UTC)reply
BTW, I was gone on the holiday break, but I checked Google News before I left and there was almost nothing else out there on Diana.--
12george1 (
talk)
03:02, 2 January 2011 (UTC)reply
The first sentence has the word "hurricane" three times - try cutting down on the redundancy. Also, landfall should be linked somewhere, so people know what it means early on.
"but a considerable large amount of thunderstorm activity." - considerable and large are redundant (not to mention grammatically incorrect)
"and it was likely that Tropical Depression Five had developed at midnight August 4, situated in the southwestern Caribbean Sea" - that is really confusing, with the "likely" part. Please reword it to reflect something a little more assertive of what it actually did. The first sentence of the second paragraph is unneeded, just keep it condensed for simplification
"the National Hurricane Center assigned the system to the name Diana" - the wording is a bit awkward, with "assigned the system to"
"Upgrading into a tropical storm, Diana intensified rapidly in the northwestern Caribbean Sea, approaching hurricane status late on August 5" - few problems. First, the first clause suggests that Diana upgraded something, so rewording is needed. Second, you say twice (here and in the subsequent sentence) that Diana approached hurricane status. However (as I learned in the following sentence) its peak winds were 65 mph, which isn't that close to hurricane status. Was it ever forecast to hit the Yucatan Peninsula as a hurricane? If not, I don't think you need the wording "approached hurricane status", since it is implying something that didn't happen. You could say a 60 or 55 mph storm is approaching hurricane status if it was still intensifying, after all
"Moving over the Yucatan Peninsula, Tropical Storm Diana weakened rapidly just inland, but then ceased to further deteriorate over land." - that definitely should be worded better. Something like "The storm initially rapidly weakened over land, although it retained winds of X until moving over open waters"
"When Tropical Storm Diana entered the southern Gulf of Mexico, the trough of low pressure in that vicinity weakened and steering currents caused the storm to head westward, where it encountered much more favorable conditions for further intensification. " - please trim, cut, split, fix. Even I was confused what happened, who did what. Also, no need to keep saying "Tropical Storm Diana"
Little quibble, but the end of the second paragraph suggests that it only was a C2 status briefly for some unknown reason. Because you put the landfall in the following paragraph, I was left a little confused. I think the landfall sentence should be included with the previous one
"Diana continued to rapidly weakened inland" - aside from being grammatically incorrect (split infinitive, plus "to weakened" is wrong), it is redundant, since the previous sentence said it rapidly weakened.
Any more preparations, other than watches/warnings?
Speaking of watches/warnings, the first sentence doesn't have any indication what country (other than Belize) it is referring to.
"(39 to 73 mph (39 to 118 km/h))" - poor formatting with the double parenthesis - please fix
"Early on August 7, the National Hurricane Center anticipated on hurricane conditions with 24 hours" - am I missing something there? "with 24 hours" doesn't make sense...
Was there any impact in Belize?
"Rough seas was reported mainly between Coatzacoalcos and Tampico, which were closed during the passage of Diana" - the cities were closed? Also, watch for grammar error
What does it mean that 75,000 people were affected?
You use "also" in two consecutive sentences...
The impact is very lacking. For such high damage/deaths in Mexico, there should be more on what the hurricane did.
Ref 2 doesn't cover this - "In Arizona, some areas received up to two in (51 mm) of rain during the system's passage"
"Vista reporting .09 in (2.3 m), Del Mar had .08 in (two m), and Oceanside measuring .3 in (0.7 m)" - watch your conversions. 0.3 inches is certainly not 0.7 m, and the rest are wrong too.
Given how short the aftermath is, it could probably be combined with the Mexican impact, unless you can find some other (real) aftermath (like aid/relief).
I originally didn't want to review this, since I did the previous one, but seeing as it's been up here for a month, I'll review it.
I'm glad to see you addressed many of my comments from the previous GAN. Here are the ones you didn't tackle.
The first sentence has the word "hurricane" three times - try cutting down on the redundancy. Also, landfall should be linked somewhere, so people know what it means early on.
"the National Hurricane Center assigned the system to the name Diana" - the wording is a bit awkward, with "assigned the system to"
Any more preparations, other than watches/warnings? I find it unlikely only 300 people evacuated. Were there any shelters opened?
What does it mean that 75,000 people were affected?
You use "also" in two consecutive sentences... (in Elsewhere)
Here are some additional comments.
"at midnight August 4" - you should specify that it's 0000 UTC, which isn't really midnight (since local time would be several hours different)
"When Diana entered the southern Gulf of Mexico, the trough of low pressure in that vicinity weakened and steering currents caused the storm to head westward. " - that's still a bit verbose. Try and rewrite it so it's more natural
You mention the 100 mph twice in consecutive sentences. I think you could get away with just saying "it made landfall at that same intensity", or some other wording of your choice
"Early on August 7, the National Hurricane Center anticipated on hurricane conditions within 24 hours, and as a result, a hurricane warning was issued for Nautla to Le Pesca" - the "anticipated on" doesn't work too well
The sentence covering the California rainfall doesn't mention Diana at all, and the HPC report just says the system dissipated over Arizona. There is no mention of "bringing heavy rainfall to the region". However,
here is a Link that covers actual impact in the SW US and mentioning Diana
IMO, the article doesn't feel like it has enough info, for a storm that's only 21 years old and caused 139 deaths and $90 million in damage (and was retired). If I read the Mexican impact section up until the summary sentence, I would've assumed only 10 deaths or so, given the examples of damage in small areas, but lack of overall epic carnage. Overall, there should be more on what the hurricane did. In just a short search, a lot more useful info was found using Google news. I suggest you go through the Google news archive and get as much as you can, as the article is lacking too much right now for me to pass its GAN. However, the work might be doable in a week's time, so I'll put it on hold. --♫
Hurricanehink (
talk)
16:55, 25 June 2011 (UTC)reply
Pre-GA review review
There really seems to be info missing. Compare Diana with
Hurricane Gert (1993), which caused less deaths and only did slightly more damage. Do some Google book and Google scholar searches. For that matter, get sources from Lexis Nexis, and find Texas impact.
"Due to the interaction with land" - just "Due to land interaction"
"before losing all tropical characteristics" - is this true? The remnants had some tropical characteristics, such as convection and winds, I'm assuming. Why not just say when the surface circulation dissipated here?
You don't mention non-Mexico effects outside of the lede.
"that emerged into the Atlantic from the west coast of Africa on July 27" --> "that exited western Africa into the Atlantic on July 27".
"assigned the system to the name Diana" - switch this around (assigned the name Diana to the system)
Mention SSHS in the MH
"from a low-end category 2 hurricane immediately to a strong tropical storm just within four hours later"
"Nine hours after all warnings were along the Yucatán Peninsula" - missing word?
"and a hurricane watch was issued for Tuxpan to Boca de Jesus Maria; a hurricane watch notes" - find a way to remove two close usages of "hurricane watch"
"the National Hurricane Center anticipated on hurricane conditions" - remove the "on". This is the third review of the article that has mentioned this.
Was there any impact in Belize?
"On the offshore island of Cozumel" - I'd specify where, since Mexico is a big country
"While crossing over the Yucatán Peninsula, Mérida reported" - so Mérida crossed over the Yucatán peninsula?
"37 and 45 mph (59.5 and 72.4 km/h)"
"according to the National Weather Service" - the US NWS?
Get clarity on the death/damage total in MX.
As I asked in the first GA review, "What does it mean that 75,000 people were affected?"
[1] - add this for more CA impact. It's sad that there's more info on California than Belize.
These two hurricanes were Category 2. Both killed over 100 people; both also had winds of a hundred miles per hour. If Diana was retired, Gert should have also been retired.
Angela Maureen (
talk)
06:10, 10 August 2016 (UTC)reply
They're similar for sure, but they're not identical. They both happened to hit the same place around the same intensity, so naturally they look similar. ♫
Hurricanehink (
talk)
18:23, 26 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Hurricane Diana was a Natural sciences good articles nominee, but did not meet the
good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be
renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Mexico, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
Mexico on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.MexicoWikipedia:WikiProject MexicoTemplate:WikiProject MexicoMexico articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Weather, which collaborates on weather and related subjects on Wikipedia. To participate, help improve this article or visit the
project page for details.
Thanks, I guess, but damn! I just tried a search, and there is nothing on this storm. Outside of the NHC report, there's next to no mention anywhere on the web. This article might be doomed to forever low-quality for an impact section. I expected something to be in the ReliefWeb Website, but nothing! There are little bits of information here and there, like Diana causing rainfall or encountering warm water temperatures, but there is not enough for an impact section. I'll try doing some more research another time, but this storm might be doomed.
Hurricanehink03:01, 2 February 2006 (UTC)reply
Yeah, it works now. BTW, at
Monthly Weather Review there are links to archives of *all* the MWR issues (by month). The NHC only includes excerpts from each year of articles they deem applicable (included as part of the re-analysis). If you find an article they've left out, you might want to contact them about it. —
jdorje (
talk)
20:16, 21 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Good news. I found a Spanish site (luckily I know Spanish fairly well), and I got a damage total and a death total. I found some more specifics, but there is absolutely nothing else out there on this storm. Does that qualify it for FA status by default? LOL, j/k, but this is one storm that is doomed in terms of information.
Hurricanehink04:02, 26 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Same problem with most Mexican storms a bit back in the past, sources are few and far between... but I am a native speaker, so I can translate a few things for this article.
Titoxd(
?!? -
help us)03:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Thanks, but I stole what I could and ran! You could mention how the sea turtles were affected from
this site, or keep saying what's already written of what's here, but I don't think there's anything else out there. You can check yourself though, seeing as you're native. You might catch something I missed.
Hurricanehink03:35, 28 March 2006 (UTC)reply
I would be fine reviewing this again, if you want, but would you mind addressing the comments from the first GAN? That way I (or anyone else) could see what progress has been made. --♫
Hurricanehink (
talk)
22:06, 10 June 2011 (UTC)reply
Lacking info
This article is greatly lacking in preparations, impact and aftermath. To expand these sections, look through news reports, situations reports, disaster databases and ReliefWeb. I would suggest withdrawing this article from GAN and work on expanding the article before revisiting GAN.
Cyclonebiskit (
talk)
19:36, 24 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Did you not read the discussion before this? There is really no other new reports, situation reports, disaster databases, and there is nothing at all of ReliefWeb. Even back then nearly 5 years ago it was nearly at its maximum content. Let me search Google News, I going to update the article a little bit, because its going to take probably at least a month for someone to be willing to assess the article.--
12george1 (
talk)
01:50, 26 December 2010 (UTC)reply
BTW, I was gone on the holiday break, but I checked Google News before I left and there was almost nothing else out there on Diana.--
12george1 (
talk)
03:02, 2 January 2011 (UTC)reply
The first sentence has the word "hurricane" three times - try cutting down on the redundancy. Also, landfall should be linked somewhere, so people know what it means early on.
"but a considerable large amount of thunderstorm activity." - considerable and large are redundant (not to mention grammatically incorrect)
"and it was likely that Tropical Depression Five had developed at midnight August 4, situated in the southwestern Caribbean Sea" - that is really confusing, with the "likely" part. Please reword it to reflect something a little more assertive of what it actually did. The first sentence of the second paragraph is unneeded, just keep it condensed for simplification
"the National Hurricane Center assigned the system to the name Diana" - the wording is a bit awkward, with "assigned the system to"
"Upgrading into a tropical storm, Diana intensified rapidly in the northwestern Caribbean Sea, approaching hurricane status late on August 5" - few problems. First, the first clause suggests that Diana upgraded something, so rewording is needed. Second, you say twice (here and in the subsequent sentence) that Diana approached hurricane status. However (as I learned in the following sentence) its peak winds were 65 mph, which isn't that close to hurricane status. Was it ever forecast to hit the Yucatan Peninsula as a hurricane? If not, I don't think you need the wording "approached hurricane status", since it is implying something that didn't happen. You could say a 60 or 55 mph storm is approaching hurricane status if it was still intensifying, after all
"Moving over the Yucatan Peninsula, Tropical Storm Diana weakened rapidly just inland, but then ceased to further deteriorate over land." - that definitely should be worded better. Something like "The storm initially rapidly weakened over land, although it retained winds of X until moving over open waters"
"When Tropical Storm Diana entered the southern Gulf of Mexico, the trough of low pressure in that vicinity weakened and steering currents caused the storm to head westward, where it encountered much more favorable conditions for further intensification. " - please trim, cut, split, fix. Even I was confused what happened, who did what. Also, no need to keep saying "Tropical Storm Diana"
Little quibble, but the end of the second paragraph suggests that it only was a C2 status briefly for some unknown reason. Because you put the landfall in the following paragraph, I was left a little confused. I think the landfall sentence should be included with the previous one
"Diana continued to rapidly weakened inland" - aside from being grammatically incorrect (split infinitive, plus "to weakened" is wrong), it is redundant, since the previous sentence said it rapidly weakened.
Any more preparations, other than watches/warnings?
Speaking of watches/warnings, the first sentence doesn't have any indication what country (other than Belize) it is referring to.
"(39 to 73 mph (39 to 118 km/h))" - poor formatting with the double parenthesis - please fix
"Early on August 7, the National Hurricane Center anticipated on hurricane conditions with 24 hours" - am I missing something there? "with 24 hours" doesn't make sense...
Was there any impact in Belize?
"Rough seas was reported mainly between Coatzacoalcos and Tampico, which were closed during the passage of Diana" - the cities were closed? Also, watch for grammar error
What does it mean that 75,000 people were affected?
You use "also" in two consecutive sentences...
The impact is very lacking. For such high damage/deaths in Mexico, there should be more on what the hurricane did.
Ref 2 doesn't cover this - "In Arizona, some areas received up to two in (51 mm) of rain during the system's passage"
"Vista reporting .09 in (2.3 m), Del Mar had .08 in (two m), and Oceanside measuring .3 in (0.7 m)" - watch your conversions. 0.3 inches is certainly not 0.7 m, and the rest are wrong too.
Given how short the aftermath is, it could probably be combined with the Mexican impact, unless you can find some other (real) aftermath (like aid/relief).
I originally didn't want to review this, since I did the previous one, but seeing as it's been up here for a month, I'll review it.
I'm glad to see you addressed many of my comments from the previous GAN. Here are the ones you didn't tackle.
The first sentence has the word "hurricane" three times - try cutting down on the redundancy. Also, landfall should be linked somewhere, so people know what it means early on.
"the National Hurricane Center assigned the system to the name Diana" - the wording is a bit awkward, with "assigned the system to"
Any more preparations, other than watches/warnings? I find it unlikely only 300 people evacuated. Were there any shelters opened?
What does it mean that 75,000 people were affected?
You use "also" in two consecutive sentences... (in Elsewhere)
Here are some additional comments.
"at midnight August 4" - you should specify that it's 0000 UTC, which isn't really midnight (since local time would be several hours different)
"When Diana entered the southern Gulf of Mexico, the trough of low pressure in that vicinity weakened and steering currents caused the storm to head westward. " - that's still a bit verbose. Try and rewrite it so it's more natural
You mention the 100 mph twice in consecutive sentences. I think you could get away with just saying "it made landfall at that same intensity", or some other wording of your choice
"Early on August 7, the National Hurricane Center anticipated on hurricane conditions within 24 hours, and as a result, a hurricane warning was issued for Nautla to Le Pesca" - the "anticipated on" doesn't work too well
The sentence covering the California rainfall doesn't mention Diana at all, and the HPC report just says the system dissipated over Arizona. There is no mention of "bringing heavy rainfall to the region". However,
here is a Link that covers actual impact in the SW US and mentioning Diana
IMO, the article doesn't feel like it has enough info, for a storm that's only 21 years old and caused 139 deaths and $90 million in damage (and was retired). If I read the Mexican impact section up until the summary sentence, I would've assumed only 10 deaths or so, given the examples of damage in small areas, but lack of overall epic carnage. Overall, there should be more on what the hurricane did. In just a short search, a lot more useful info was found using Google news. I suggest you go through the Google news archive and get as much as you can, as the article is lacking too much right now for me to pass its GAN. However, the work might be doable in a week's time, so I'll put it on hold. --♫
Hurricanehink (
talk)
16:55, 25 June 2011 (UTC)reply
Pre-GA review review
There really seems to be info missing. Compare Diana with
Hurricane Gert (1993), which caused less deaths and only did slightly more damage. Do some Google book and Google scholar searches. For that matter, get sources from Lexis Nexis, and find Texas impact.
"Due to the interaction with land" - just "Due to land interaction"
"before losing all tropical characteristics" - is this true? The remnants had some tropical characteristics, such as convection and winds, I'm assuming. Why not just say when the surface circulation dissipated here?
You don't mention non-Mexico effects outside of the lede.
"that emerged into the Atlantic from the west coast of Africa on July 27" --> "that exited western Africa into the Atlantic on July 27".
"assigned the system to the name Diana" - switch this around (assigned the name Diana to the system)
Mention SSHS in the MH
"from a low-end category 2 hurricane immediately to a strong tropical storm just within four hours later"
"Nine hours after all warnings were along the Yucatán Peninsula" - missing word?
"and a hurricane watch was issued for Tuxpan to Boca de Jesus Maria; a hurricane watch notes" - find a way to remove two close usages of "hurricane watch"
"the National Hurricane Center anticipated on hurricane conditions" - remove the "on". This is the third review of the article that has mentioned this.
Was there any impact in Belize?
"On the offshore island of Cozumel" - I'd specify where, since Mexico is a big country
"While crossing over the Yucatán Peninsula, Mérida reported" - so Mérida crossed over the Yucatán peninsula?
"37 and 45 mph (59.5 and 72.4 km/h)"
"according to the National Weather Service" - the US NWS?
Get clarity on the death/damage total in MX.
As I asked in the first GA review, "What does it mean that 75,000 people were affected?"
[1] - add this for more CA impact. It's sad that there's more info on California than Belize.
These two hurricanes were Category 2. Both killed over 100 people; both also had winds of a hundred miles per hour. If Diana was retired, Gert should have also been retired.
Angela Maureen (
talk)
06:10, 10 August 2016 (UTC)reply
They're similar for sure, but they're not identical. They both happened to hit the same place around the same intensity, so naturally they look similar. ♫
Hurricanehink (
talk)
18:23, 26 November 2020 (UTC)reply