I heard the discussion on Flossie, and it seems this is correct: the article should remain at Hurricane Dean (2007) (consistent with the retired 2006 typhoons as well) unless it becomes an obvious retirement case (i.e. Katrina-like damage). However, should Hurricane Dean become a temporary redirect to this article at least while active and in the news? CrazyC83 21:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Just Leave As is otherwise you will have more work to do as you would have to change all the other names that are active Jason Rees 00:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
This is where the concept of a "primary subject" should be considered. Hurricane Dean is all over the news services (including the Main page). Whilst this storm is active, and in the immediate aftermath, the vast majority of people looking for a Hurricane Dean are looking for this storm. If Dean isn't looking like a retirement candidate (I hope so), then once it ceases to be a current event and falls out of the public eye then the dab should be returned to Hurricane Dean.-- Nilf anion ( talk) 22:20, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
I was poking around MODIS and came across this image. I have added it for now, but as the storm gathers organization we will be able to find much better images. Feel free to replace it. Plasticup T/ C 14:30, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Can we get the 5-day track graphic updated to correspond with advisory 19A? (I don't know how to do it myself...) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Halcionne ( talk • contribs) 02:38:07, August 18, 2007 (UTC).
There are 2 identical images on the page, the one that was shot from the international space station... shouldn't we remove one of these images? --- govigov —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
Govigov (
talk •
contribs) 17:10:20, August 19, 2007 (UTC).
There are some new images of dean on the NHC's Web site with the eye south-southwest of the western coast of Jamaica... NHC's satellite page - -- Bdj95 03:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I was on www.cnn.com And i saw breaking news now that Dean has sustained winds of 125 mph,.
That makes it a major hurricane therefore should be updated on a more then regular basis.-- Daven200520 23:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Should a forcast of the storms headings (I.E. Noaa Computer model predictions) and how it could affect the Texas, Mexico, and Lousiana coasts? Just a thought.... -- Daven200520 23:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Well We coulndt, but we could detail every noaa(nhs) model then show what every model predicts, (i.e Various styorm tracks or maybe a updated image of noaas models forcasts... < http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ssd/nwpmodel/html/nhcmodel.htm> —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daven200520 ( talk • contribs).
Avoid Yahoo news links where possible, please, they die out quickly. – Chacor 07:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi - just reverted the blanking. Looks like a move or link wasn't correct. Jens Koeplinger 14:56, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Question: Why did one person die in Florida from Dean, when this hurricane didn't even hit Florida? —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
76.19.136.202 (
talk) 16:30, August 23, 2007 (UTC)
Any chance this system could change direction and swing towards Florida like Charley or into the Panhandle like Dennis or Ivan??? HurricaneChase ( talk) 2:41 EST
There has been considerable vandalism lately on this page. Should it be semi-protected? CrazyC83 20:43, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
It should not be fully protected because some people may depend on wikipedia instead of the National Weather Service and conceivably get killed not realizing that the position of the hurricane has moved from the location stated in the article. When there are millions of people living in an area, there's bound to be at least a few with less than optimal judgement. Polounit 06:59, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm new at this, so I don't want to mess around with it too much yet, but is it relevant that the landing time of STS-118 (Endeavour) has been moved up due to Hurricane Dean, and should it be mentioned in the article? Trvsdrlng 23:21, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Probably not much
, I just thought I'd point to it for the original poster to visit.
Ariel♥
Gold
06:03, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
In the infobox at the top, where it says "Location: 16.0°N 71.0°W ± 10 NM", I changed it to NM and linked it to nautical miles to avoid confusion making it look like it said it's plus-minus 10 nanometers (first link below). This was (I think accidentally) reverted in an update to the location, size, and time of last update (second link). I just changed it back (third link), but wanted to post this here to avoid it being accidentally reverted again in another update.
my first edit changing it
it being removed in an update
me changing it back again
—
Mini-Geek
(talk)
00:48, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
There just Evaucing Tourists no resident's?...hmm I will do some research unless someone else knows... just because it says 80,000 tourist but no mention of local residents. -- Daven200520 05:40, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Jis I found this on JIS about Jamaica I got the general details and posted it but anybody is welcome to gather and post additional details I may have overlooked. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daven200520 ( talk • contribs) 06:55:42, August 19, 2007 (UTC). Newer article for you guys to use Bloomberg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daven200520 ( talk • contribs) 07:17:23, August 19, 2007 (UTC).
Well I don't know about you but I'm a MED student here for the first time in cuba and ..there might be a posibility that we might be hit giving the location that I'm in the provence of PInar del rio... all the way from guyana ... we dont know what to expect.. I dont KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.. i do hope things arnt that bad.. as people would put them.. may god be with us!
dedon johashen med student in cuba —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dimention3d ( talk • contribs) 18:31:10, August 19, 2007 (UTC).
I've been keeping an eye on this article for a couple of days seeing as this has been majorly in the news, and am impressed by what I am seeing. When Dean has passed, do you think we could nominate this article for GA? Davnel03 20:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that the US National Hurricane Center uses EDT in its Advisories. I realize that EDT is the same as AST, but shouldn't we use the format our source uses (assuming the NHC reports are used as the source). New England Review Me! 21:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
You are correct. The storm has now entered EDT longitude and the NHC has shifted from AST to EDT. --- CWY2190 T C 21:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
The organization of our hurricane articles is long established. All of our articles are formatted to the conventions of the Wikipedia Tropical Cyclone Project. If you think that the article should be reorganized in a major way (such as moving the Current Information to the topic of the article), feel free to make a suggestion on the article's talk page. Plasticup T/ C 00:33, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
(...sliding back over now) Concerning current events in general, the newest information is generally kept at the bottom. Articles are also arranged in chronological order, so the most recent info would be further down. However, I would not oppose moving tropical cyclone current information upwards, since people will be looking for that information whether we like it or not. -- Tom ( talk - email) 14:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
The article was over 60 kb and the storm hasn't yet had a major landfall. I have created a separate article for the Effects of Hurricane Dean on the Lesser Antilles and transfered a fair bit of information there. The Greater Antilles probably deserve their own article as well, as will Jamaica and probably Mexico. It's a lot of work, but keeping the main article tidy ought improve it significantly. Plasticup T/ C 05:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
So at the end of Hurricane Dean (in a few weeks), we should have these articles all (or most of them) created:
Anyone think that some of these articles will no way needed to be created? NOTE - these are based of the Hurricane Katrina circle of articles. Davnel03 18:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Latest advisory has Dean at 915mb. I know Opal's was 916, and holds the record for lowest pressure as a Category 4, but is this only for storms that remain category 4, or does it count as breaking Opal's record, even if Dean becomes a 5? WotGoPlunk 00:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Now that Dean is 1) Cat 5, 2) Has already done billions of damage, and 3) will clearly do billions more, is there any objection to moving this to 'Hurricane Dean'? I don't think (but I could be wrong) that we kept Katrina at "Hurricane Katrina (2005)" until the moment it was retired. -- Golbez 00:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
There was a consensus a while back which determined that hurricane names don't get the main article unless they are retired - has this changed since? If so, I agree completely with jdorje. Retirement or no retirement, this Dean is easily more notable than the others. Pobbie Rarr 12:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Someone moved it back to Hurricane Dean (2007). As this is the most notable Dean, and fairly likely to be retired, how come it was moved back? Hurricanehink ( talk) 03:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I have protected this page from new and anonymous editors for a weeks time, to allow the newsworthy article to settle down in the terms of current events and affairs, as well as to keep the vandalism that has been plaguing it the past few days down. Jmlk 1 7 01:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
There is a warning on the top of the page; who made this template? Is this standard? I didn't pay much attention to Wikipedia natural disaster articles while they were ongoing. Titanium Dragon 02:29, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
There is some opposition to the warning. I support the warning. However, the storm is not as severe and has moved inland. Therefore, I will remove the warning. Others may revert if they feel strongly. Archtrain 21:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Chad Myers of CNN just recently announced that hurricane hunters have detected winds in excess of 189MPH making this the 2nd most powerful hurricane by wind behind Allen and Camille can anyone verify im not exactly sure if this is sustained or gusts. Kuzwa 02:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
What I do wonder is if something about the wind estimate being "conservative" should be added. But since there'll probably be an update once they get the data it's not worth worrying about. — jdorje ( talk) 04:44, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Remember folks that this storm was moving at a very fast 20 mph; that may have contributed to the NHC's decision to lower the speeds more than normal. If you mention it, mention it only in passing, don't say things like "the NHC was more conservative than usual." That's OR and we should definitely wait for the TCR. -- Golbez 17:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be some confusion on the use of SI units in this article. Can folks please review
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:UNITS#Units_of_measurement
and let me know why this wouldn't be applicable here? The hurricane isn't a US event, and the MOS seems pretty straightforward on this. Popkultur 03:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
"MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 160 MPH...260 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. DEAN IS A POTENTIALLY CATASTROPHIC CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON HURRICANE SCALE. LITTLE CHANGE IN STRENGTH IS EXPECTED PRIOR TO LANDFALL ON THE EAST COAST OF THE YUCATAN PENINSULA. ALTHOUGH SOME WEAKENING IS FORECAST AS DEAN CROSSES THE YUCATAN PENINSULA...DEAN IS EXPECTED TO MAINTAIN HURRICANE STRENGTH THROUGHOUT THE NEXT 24 HOURS." - New England Review Me! 03:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I have been changing the B&W image captions from infrared to visible. However, on further thought, I realized that it is likely that the images reported as visible on the NOAA site (i.e. [ [3]]) are actually infrared at nighttime. I couldn't obtain any confirmation in my brief search on the associated webpages. I will revert my edits for the time being...I would be interested in hearing a response to confirm or refute my suspicion. Thanks.-- GregRM 04:00, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Watch the Weather Channel at 4:50 am EDT, the lowest reading from the hurricane hunters was 907 mb central pressure, but its now back up to 909. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.66.189.185 ( talk)
The 4:50 EDT segment says 906, now.
"THE 906 MB CENTRAL PRESSURE IS THE NINTH LOWEST ON RECORD FOR AN ATLANTIC BASIN HURRICANE...AND THE THIRD LOWEST AT LANDFALL BEHIND THE 1935 LABOR DAY HURRICANE IN THE FLORIDA KEYS AND HURRICANE GILBERT OF 1988 IN CANCUN MEXICO."
The 9th lowest pressure is no news. But where's the dataset that gives landfall pressures? Our gilbert article doesn't even give a landfall pressure for that storm; what was it? There should be a table template for this listing as well. — jdorje ( talk) 09:48, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
"Dean is also the first Category 5 hurricane to make landfall in the Western Hemisphere since Hurricane Andrew of 1992." - I know what it means, but would it be less confusing to write "... the first hurricane to make landfall as a Category 5..." - People will be thinking "there were four Cat5s in 2005, and none of them made landfall?". Iorek85 10:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps ""Dean is also the first Category 5 hurricane to make landfall in the Western Hemisphere since Hurricane Andrew of 1992" should be changed, the Western Hemisphere part may not be entirely accurate; the article on Hurricane Linda says the storm directly over Socorro Island as a 5, but I'm not sure if it made landfall or not. Atlantic Basin would most certainly be accurate, though.
70.127.153.236
14:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
"Coincidentally, Dean's landfall fell 3 days before the 15th anniversary of Andrew's landfall."
Is this really significant enough to warrant mention? The most intense hurricanes are always going to occur around the same peak period each year. Pobbie Rarr 10:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Taken from main article page:
Is this right, or has the caption just yet to be updated? Nethetheless, if it hasn't been updated, it should be as the image is now out of date. Davnel03 12:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
While we may have to use the present tense for living people in order to not offend them, it is smarter to just use past tense on Dean now. It was a hurricane yesterday. It is a hurricane today, but it is not going to get offended if we refer to it in the past tense now anyway. It is not a timeless assertion like that those that emerge in math and science (which can be referred to in the present tense as a matter of convenience). Past tense only in this article. And please do not label any information as current. That is NOT what we are doing here. If you want to use present tense, then write for Wikinews.--23:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I intend putting this map in the "Preparations" section. Given the protected nature of the page, I thought I'd better float it here first. Given the ongoing discussion, I assume anybody with strong objections will manifest them quickly, so if I do not hear any "nays" within the hour I'll put it up. Regards, Anameofmyveryown 03:58, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
CNN is reporting that Dean is a Cat 2 hurricane again, so... Doo- dle- doo 14:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
<a href=" http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCUAT4+shtml/221646.shtml?">NHC</a> reports that Dean made its second landfall as a cat2. I updated the intro text accordingly.
according to the weather channel, the 5 pm advisory indicates that dean is down to 70mph. 71.60.151.41 20:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I heard the discussion on Flossie, and it seems this is correct: the article should remain at Hurricane Dean (2007) (consistent with the retired 2006 typhoons as well) unless it becomes an obvious retirement case (i.e. Katrina-like damage). However, should Hurricane Dean become a temporary redirect to this article at least while active and in the news? CrazyC83 21:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Just Leave As is otherwise you will have more work to do as you would have to change all the other names that are active Jason Rees 00:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
This is where the concept of a "primary subject" should be considered. Hurricane Dean is all over the news services (including the Main page). Whilst this storm is active, and in the immediate aftermath, the vast majority of people looking for a Hurricane Dean are looking for this storm. If Dean isn't looking like a retirement candidate (I hope so), then once it ceases to be a current event and falls out of the public eye then the dab should be returned to Hurricane Dean.-- Nilf anion ( talk) 22:20, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
I was poking around MODIS and came across this image. I have added it for now, but as the storm gathers organization we will be able to find much better images. Feel free to replace it. Plasticup T/ C 14:30, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Can we get the 5-day track graphic updated to correspond with advisory 19A? (I don't know how to do it myself...) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Halcionne ( talk • contribs) 02:38:07, August 18, 2007 (UTC).
There are 2 identical images on the page, the one that was shot from the international space station... shouldn't we remove one of these images? --- govigov —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
Govigov (
talk •
contribs) 17:10:20, August 19, 2007 (UTC).
There are some new images of dean on the NHC's Web site with the eye south-southwest of the western coast of Jamaica... NHC's satellite page - -- Bdj95 03:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I was on www.cnn.com And i saw breaking news now that Dean has sustained winds of 125 mph,.
That makes it a major hurricane therefore should be updated on a more then regular basis.-- Daven200520 23:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Should a forcast of the storms headings (I.E. Noaa Computer model predictions) and how it could affect the Texas, Mexico, and Lousiana coasts? Just a thought.... -- Daven200520 23:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Well We coulndt, but we could detail every noaa(nhs) model then show what every model predicts, (i.e Various styorm tracks or maybe a updated image of noaas models forcasts... < http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ssd/nwpmodel/html/nhcmodel.htm> —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daven200520 ( talk • contribs).
Avoid Yahoo news links where possible, please, they die out quickly. – Chacor 07:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi - just reverted the blanking. Looks like a move or link wasn't correct. Jens Koeplinger 14:56, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Question: Why did one person die in Florida from Dean, when this hurricane didn't even hit Florida? —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
76.19.136.202 (
talk) 16:30, August 23, 2007 (UTC)
Any chance this system could change direction and swing towards Florida like Charley or into the Panhandle like Dennis or Ivan??? HurricaneChase ( talk) 2:41 EST
There has been considerable vandalism lately on this page. Should it be semi-protected? CrazyC83 20:43, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
It should not be fully protected because some people may depend on wikipedia instead of the National Weather Service and conceivably get killed not realizing that the position of the hurricane has moved from the location stated in the article. When there are millions of people living in an area, there's bound to be at least a few with less than optimal judgement. Polounit 06:59, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm new at this, so I don't want to mess around with it too much yet, but is it relevant that the landing time of STS-118 (Endeavour) has been moved up due to Hurricane Dean, and should it be mentioned in the article? Trvsdrlng 23:21, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Probably not much
, I just thought I'd point to it for the original poster to visit.
Ariel♥
Gold
06:03, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
In the infobox at the top, where it says "Location: 16.0°N 71.0°W ± 10 NM", I changed it to NM and linked it to nautical miles to avoid confusion making it look like it said it's plus-minus 10 nanometers (first link below). This was (I think accidentally) reverted in an update to the location, size, and time of last update (second link). I just changed it back (third link), but wanted to post this here to avoid it being accidentally reverted again in another update.
my first edit changing it
it being removed in an update
me changing it back again
—
Mini-Geek
(talk)
00:48, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
There just Evaucing Tourists no resident's?...hmm I will do some research unless someone else knows... just because it says 80,000 tourist but no mention of local residents. -- Daven200520 05:40, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Jis I found this on JIS about Jamaica I got the general details and posted it but anybody is welcome to gather and post additional details I may have overlooked. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daven200520 ( talk • contribs) 06:55:42, August 19, 2007 (UTC). Newer article for you guys to use Bloomberg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daven200520 ( talk • contribs) 07:17:23, August 19, 2007 (UTC).
Well I don't know about you but I'm a MED student here for the first time in cuba and ..there might be a posibility that we might be hit giving the location that I'm in the provence of PInar del rio... all the way from guyana ... we dont know what to expect.. I dont KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.. i do hope things arnt that bad.. as people would put them.. may god be with us!
dedon johashen med student in cuba —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dimention3d ( talk • contribs) 18:31:10, August 19, 2007 (UTC).
I've been keeping an eye on this article for a couple of days seeing as this has been majorly in the news, and am impressed by what I am seeing. When Dean has passed, do you think we could nominate this article for GA? Davnel03 20:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that the US National Hurricane Center uses EDT in its Advisories. I realize that EDT is the same as AST, but shouldn't we use the format our source uses (assuming the NHC reports are used as the source). New England Review Me! 21:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
You are correct. The storm has now entered EDT longitude and the NHC has shifted from AST to EDT. --- CWY2190 T C 21:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
The organization of our hurricane articles is long established. All of our articles are formatted to the conventions of the Wikipedia Tropical Cyclone Project. If you think that the article should be reorganized in a major way (such as moving the Current Information to the topic of the article), feel free to make a suggestion on the article's talk page. Plasticup T/ C 00:33, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
(...sliding back over now) Concerning current events in general, the newest information is generally kept at the bottom. Articles are also arranged in chronological order, so the most recent info would be further down. However, I would not oppose moving tropical cyclone current information upwards, since people will be looking for that information whether we like it or not. -- Tom ( talk - email) 14:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
The article was over 60 kb and the storm hasn't yet had a major landfall. I have created a separate article for the Effects of Hurricane Dean on the Lesser Antilles and transfered a fair bit of information there. The Greater Antilles probably deserve their own article as well, as will Jamaica and probably Mexico. It's a lot of work, but keeping the main article tidy ought improve it significantly. Plasticup T/ C 05:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
So at the end of Hurricane Dean (in a few weeks), we should have these articles all (or most of them) created:
Anyone think that some of these articles will no way needed to be created? NOTE - these are based of the Hurricane Katrina circle of articles. Davnel03 18:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Latest advisory has Dean at 915mb. I know Opal's was 916, and holds the record for lowest pressure as a Category 4, but is this only for storms that remain category 4, or does it count as breaking Opal's record, even if Dean becomes a 5? WotGoPlunk 00:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Now that Dean is 1) Cat 5, 2) Has already done billions of damage, and 3) will clearly do billions more, is there any objection to moving this to 'Hurricane Dean'? I don't think (but I could be wrong) that we kept Katrina at "Hurricane Katrina (2005)" until the moment it was retired. -- Golbez 00:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
There was a consensus a while back which determined that hurricane names don't get the main article unless they are retired - has this changed since? If so, I agree completely with jdorje. Retirement or no retirement, this Dean is easily more notable than the others. Pobbie Rarr 12:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Someone moved it back to Hurricane Dean (2007). As this is the most notable Dean, and fairly likely to be retired, how come it was moved back? Hurricanehink ( talk) 03:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I have protected this page from new and anonymous editors for a weeks time, to allow the newsworthy article to settle down in the terms of current events and affairs, as well as to keep the vandalism that has been plaguing it the past few days down. Jmlk 1 7 01:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
There is a warning on the top of the page; who made this template? Is this standard? I didn't pay much attention to Wikipedia natural disaster articles while they were ongoing. Titanium Dragon 02:29, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
There is some opposition to the warning. I support the warning. However, the storm is not as severe and has moved inland. Therefore, I will remove the warning. Others may revert if they feel strongly. Archtrain 21:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Chad Myers of CNN just recently announced that hurricane hunters have detected winds in excess of 189MPH making this the 2nd most powerful hurricane by wind behind Allen and Camille can anyone verify im not exactly sure if this is sustained or gusts. Kuzwa 02:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
What I do wonder is if something about the wind estimate being "conservative" should be added. But since there'll probably be an update once they get the data it's not worth worrying about. — jdorje ( talk) 04:44, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Remember folks that this storm was moving at a very fast 20 mph; that may have contributed to the NHC's decision to lower the speeds more than normal. If you mention it, mention it only in passing, don't say things like "the NHC was more conservative than usual." That's OR and we should definitely wait for the TCR. -- Golbez 17:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be some confusion on the use of SI units in this article. Can folks please review
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:UNITS#Units_of_measurement
and let me know why this wouldn't be applicable here? The hurricane isn't a US event, and the MOS seems pretty straightforward on this. Popkultur 03:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
"MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 160 MPH...260 KM/HR...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. DEAN IS A POTENTIALLY CATASTROPHIC CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON HURRICANE SCALE. LITTLE CHANGE IN STRENGTH IS EXPECTED PRIOR TO LANDFALL ON THE EAST COAST OF THE YUCATAN PENINSULA. ALTHOUGH SOME WEAKENING IS FORECAST AS DEAN CROSSES THE YUCATAN PENINSULA...DEAN IS EXPECTED TO MAINTAIN HURRICANE STRENGTH THROUGHOUT THE NEXT 24 HOURS." - New England Review Me! 03:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I have been changing the B&W image captions from infrared to visible. However, on further thought, I realized that it is likely that the images reported as visible on the NOAA site (i.e. [ [3]]) are actually infrared at nighttime. I couldn't obtain any confirmation in my brief search on the associated webpages. I will revert my edits for the time being...I would be interested in hearing a response to confirm or refute my suspicion. Thanks.-- GregRM 04:00, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Watch the Weather Channel at 4:50 am EDT, the lowest reading from the hurricane hunters was 907 mb central pressure, but its now back up to 909. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.66.189.185 ( talk)
The 4:50 EDT segment says 906, now.
"THE 906 MB CENTRAL PRESSURE IS THE NINTH LOWEST ON RECORD FOR AN ATLANTIC BASIN HURRICANE...AND THE THIRD LOWEST AT LANDFALL BEHIND THE 1935 LABOR DAY HURRICANE IN THE FLORIDA KEYS AND HURRICANE GILBERT OF 1988 IN CANCUN MEXICO."
The 9th lowest pressure is no news. But where's the dataset that gives landfall pressures? Our gilbert article doesn't even give a landfall pressure for that storm; what was it? There should be a table template for this listing as well. — jdorje ( talk) 09:48, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
"Dean is also the first Category 5 hurricane to make landfall in the Western Hemisphere since Hurricane Andrew of 1992." - I know what it means, but would it be less confusing to write "... the first hurricane to make landfall as a Category 5..." - People will be thinking "there were four Cat5s in 2005, and none of them made landfall?". Iorek85 10:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps ""Dean is also the first Category 5 hurricane to make landfall in the Western Hemisphere since Hurricane Andrew of 1992" should be changed, the Western Hemisphere part may not be entirely accurate; the article on Hurricane Linda says the storm directly over Socorro Island as a 5, but I'm not sure if it made landfall or not. Atlantic Basin would most certainly be accurate, though.
70.127.153.236
14:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
"Coincidentally, Dean's landfall fell 3 days before the 15th anniversary of Andrew's landfall."
Is this really significant enough to warrant mention? The most intense hurricanes are always going to occur around the same peak period each year. Pobbie Rarr 10:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Taken from main article page:
Is this right, or has the caption just yet to be updated? Nethetheless, if it hasn't been updated, it should be as the image is now out of date. Davnel03 12:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
While we may have to use the present tense for living people in order to not offend them, it is smarter to just use past tense on Dean now. It was a hurricane yesterday. It is a hurricane today, but it is not going to get offended if we refer to it in the past tense now anyway. It is not a timeless assertion like that those that emerge in math and science (which can be referred to in the present tense as a matter of convenience). Past tense only in this article. And please do not label any information as current. That is NOT what we are doing here. If you want to use present tense, then write for Wikinews.--23:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I intend putting this map in the "Preparations" section. Given the protected nature of the page, I thought I'd better float it here first. Given the ongoing discussion, I assume anybody with strong objections will manifest them quickly, so if I do not hear any "nays" within the hour I'll put it up. Regards, Anameofmyveryown 03:58, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
CNN is reporting that Dean is a Cat 2 hurricane again, so... Doo- dle- doo 14:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
<a href=" http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCUAT4+shtml/221646.shtml?">NHC</a> reports that Dean made its second landfall as a cat2. I updated the intro text accordingly.
according to the weather channel, the 5 pm advisory indicates that dean is down to 70mph. 71.60.151.41 20:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)