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Man I really love that image, it’s humorous and all but I think we need to get a more serious image instead because you know, it’s Wikipedia.
Xyklone (
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09:57, 22 June 2018 (UTC)reply
I think it is closer to peak intensity. 16:37, 25 June 2018 (UTC) — Preceding
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cited inline. All content that
could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);[2]
The prose is clear and concise. I changed some of the wording, but other than that, the spelling and grammar was of good quality. One reference was misspelled, but the error was easily fixed.
There are 27 sources on this article. One of them, the Tropical Cyclone Report (TCR) for Hurricane Bud, provides more general information about the storm and is from a trusted source (NHC). Many of the rest are also from the NHC, and are more specific about the evolution of the storm. The sources used for impact and preparations are also reliable (such as trusted newspapers).
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(b) (citations to reliable sources)
Citations lead to reliable sources.
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(c) (original research)
There is no original research
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(d) (copyvio and plagiarism)
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This article covers all of the aspects of Bud's lifetime as a tropical cyclone. For the information that is available on the storm, its meteorological history is discussed in good depth as well as the impact and preparations.
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This article is focused
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Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
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This article is neutral and covers the topic without bias
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Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing
edit war or content dispute.
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The article does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute
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All images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales
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(b) (appropriate use with suitable captions)
The images are appropriately used with suitable captions
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This article is well-written, has an appropriate amount of images, and covers the lifetime of Hurricane Bud in appropriate depth for the amount of information that there is to work with.
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"hundreds of vehicles were inundated and/or swept away, and a mall was flooded after a canal overflowed" - IDK if "and/or" is proper. Also, the mall bit should be split off, so there's just one sentence about the mall and its damage. Further, the rest of the article mentions both pesos and USD, so I'd do the same here.
I saw read up that and/or is a common day usage that shouldn't be used in any kind of writing period (both formal and informal). It became commonly used as a result of laziness. The rest is fixed too.
NoahTalk02:26, 29 November 2020 (UTC)reply
"94 houses and 27 businesses were also flooded. " - don't start a sentence with a number. Also, is this from the canal flooding in Guadalajara?
In general, the lead is awfully specific about a few examples of the storm's effects. That makes sense if most of the damage occurred in one or two cities. It just stood out to me.
"The system had minimal thunderstorm activity or convection" - the "or" here implies that had either/or, not that convection is a synonym for thunderstorm activity
"The wave tracked over northern South America and entered the Eastern Pacific Ocean late on June 6." - this should be rewritten so the implication isn't that on June 6 both events happened (unless it went from Columbia to across Central America in a single day)
"Bud slowed down significantly while traversing a region of cooler sea surface temperatures and ocean heat content near zero" - the last part seems like it could be scary to a non-expert. It also has no context for what zero is. I don't think the bolded part is needed, but if you do, try reworking it.
"The mid and low-levels, with the former traveling quickly to the northeast and the former over the Gulf of California and northwestern Mexico" - I believe this should be "mid- and low-levels", since mid also describes levels. Also, is this the right type of dash used? Also, two "former"s?
"became a post-tropical cyclone around 12:00 UTC on June 15 while located about 140 mi (220 km) south-southwest of Huatabampito, Mexico" - is that city
Huatabampo by chance? I wanted to check, since it was a redlink (which isn't too useful when referring to distances). If not, maybe say the Sonoran coast or something more tangible.
When you mention the watch/warnings, could you add more of a location reference? Just having the cities doesn't say much if people have an idea of what western Mexico is like. Something like "warning from X cities along the Baja California peninsula"
I already mentioned the southwestern coast of Mexico and Baja California Sur for two of them. I added location for the additional warnings.
NoahTalk01:32, 29 November 2020 (UTC)reply
The order of color alerts is odd. I'd imagine you'd list from lowest to highest, unless there's some other order?
"In Baja California Sur, 167 shelters were established with a combined capacity of 29,500 people and another 113 shelters were able to hold up to 54,000 residents in total." - just to clarify, by "were able to", does that mean the additional shelters were on standby? If they weren't used, I don't think they need to be mentioned so specifically, maybe just "with additional shelters capable of being set up". Or did the "in total" mean across Mexico? Now I'm confused
I merged the 167 and 113 to get 280 shelters. Also merged the 29.5k and 54k to get 83.5k people. I did this to condense the statement and make it less confusing.
NoahTalk01:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)reply
"Medical services were provided at shelters in the Los Cabos municipality by the Mexican and state governments." - is this unusual? I'd imagine most government shelters have some sort of first aid.
From the way the article read, the gov't/organizations had to work to achieve adequate medical care at shelters. Thus it appears this is unusual.
NoahTalk01:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)reply
I get the peak rainfall total in the first impact paragraph, but why the other two?
They are the top 3 highest rainfall totals throughout Mexico and the only three reported ones. Given the lack of exact totals from other areas, I saw no harm in including them.
NoahTalk01:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)reply
"Parks and Gardens personnel used chainsaws to clear roads after multiple trees fell and blocked them." - why is "Gardens" capitalized? Is this some unit?
It was just written with "Parks and Gardens" capitalized in Spanish. It must be some kind of local unit, but not much is specified.
NoahTalk01:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)reply
"Four trees fell in the towns of Naranjo, Salagua, Santiago, and Nuevo Cuyutlán" - is that four trees per town?
"Four species of fish died off in the Laguna Negra of Puerto Marques after sewage contaminated the waters following heavy rainfall from Bud." - did the four species go extinct? This sentence seems odd. I suggest starting like "Waters contaminated with sewage killed fish in the Laguna Negra of Puerto Marques."
The proper term for this is a die-off. I have reworded it. Keep in mind there are major differences between a die-off and mass mortality event (ie extinction).
NoahTalk00:54, 29 November 2020 (UTC)reply
"The waves swept away furniture and caused the short-circuiting of electrical components, almost killing a family." - just gonna leave that there?
"Torrential rains caused flooding on the Ermita Iztapalapa road until its intersection with Ignacio Zaragoza, inundating dozens of vehicles and entrapping the passengers. Local authorities rescued people from their vehicles. At the intersection itself, a patch of flooding at least 330 ft (100 m) long and 1 ft (0.3 m) deep occurred after rainfall caused raw sewage to overflow from drains." - this seems like a lengthy way of describing flooded roads. I'm not disputing the content, but I think it could be condensed a smidge
"Heavy rainfall generated currents that swept away a child who was crossing a road in the city." - was this one of the deaths related to the storm?
Yes, it was. Bud pasa por México sin causar daños, pero lluvias dejan un muerto en la capital and CNN espanol attributes the rains to Bud.
NoahTalk21:40, 28 November 2020 (UTC)reply
"Schools in La Paz and Los Cabos were set to resume on June 18" - did they? I only ask because the wording says "were set to resume". If unsure, I think the article could do without it.
Hurricane Bud (2018) is a former
featured article candidate. Please view the links under Article milestones below to see why the nomination failed. For older candidates, please check the
archive.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Weather, which collaborates on weather and related subjects on Wikipedia. To participate, help improve this article or visit the
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Man I really love that image, it’s humorous and all but I think we need to get a more serious image instead because you know, it’s Wikipedia.
Xyklone (
talk)
09:57, 22 June 2018 (UTC)reply
I think it is closer to peak intensity. 16:37, 25 June 2018 (UTC) — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Brandoncyclone (
talk •
contribs)
(a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with
the layout style guideline;
(b)
reliable sources are
cited inline. All content that
could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);[2]
The prose is clear and concise. I changed some of the wording, but other than that, the spelling and grammar was of good quality. One reference was misspelled, but the error was easily fixed.
There are 27 sources on this article. One of them, the Tropical Cyclone Report (TCR) for Hurricane Bud, provides more general information about the storm and is from a trusted source (NHC). Many of the rest are also from the NHC, and are more specific about the evolution of the storm. The sources used for impact and preparations are also reliable (such as trusted newspapers).
Pass
(b) (citations to reliable sources)
Citations lead to reliable sources.
Pass
(c) (original research)
There is no original research
Pass
(d) (copyvio and plagiarism)
There is no copyright violations or plagiarism
Pass
Broad in its coverage:
Criteria
Notes
Result
(a) (major aspects)
This article covers all of the aspects of Bud's lifetime as a tropical cyclone. For the information that is available on the storm, its meteorological history is discussed in good depth as well as the impact and preparations.
Pass
(b) (focused)
This article is focused
Pass
Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
Notes
Result
This article is neutral and covers the topic without bias
Pass
Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing
edit war or content dispute.
Notes
Result
The article does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute
Pass
Illustrated, if possible, by media such as
images,
video, or
audio:
Criteria
Notes
Result
(a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales)
All images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales
Pass
(b) (appropriate use with suitable captions)
The images are appropriately used with suitable captions
Pass
Result
Result
Notes
Pass
This article is well-written, has an appropriate amount of images, and covers the lifetime of Hurricane Bud in appropriate depth for the amount of information that there is to work with.
Discussion
References
^ Compliance with other aspects of the Manual of Style, or the
Manual of Style mainpage or subpages of the guides listed, is not required for good articles.
^This requirement is significantly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required of
featured articles; it allows shorter articles, articles that do not cover every major fact or detail, and overviews of large topics.
^Vandalism reversions, proposals to split or merge content, good faith improvements to the page (such as
copy editing), and changes based on reviewers' suggestions do not apply. Nominations for articles that are unstable because of unconstructive editing should be placed on hold.
^Other media, such as video and
sound clips, are also covered by this criterion.
^The presence of images is not, in itself, a requirement. However, if images (or other media) with acceptable copyright status are appropriate and readily available, then some such images should be provided.
"hundreds of vehicles were inundated and/or swept away, and a mall was flooded after a canal overflowed" - IDK if "and/or" is proper. Also, the mall bit should be split off, so there's just one sentence about the mall and its damage. Further, the rest of the article mentions both pesos and USD, so I'd do the same here.
I saw read up that and/or is a common day usage that shouldn't be used in any kind of writing period (both formal and informal). It became commonly used as a result of laziness. The rest is fixed too.
NoahTalk02:26, 29 November 2020 (UTC)reply
"94 houses and 27 businesses were also flooded. " - don't start a sentence with a number. Also, is this from the canal flooding in Guadalajara?
In general, the lead is awfully specific about a few examples of the storm's effects. That makes sense if most of the damage occurred in one or two cities. It just stood out to me.
"The system had minimal thunderstorm activity or convection" - the "or" here implies that had either/or, not that convection is a synonym for thunderstorm activity
"The wave tracked over northern South America and entered the Eastern Pacific Ocean late on June 6." - this should be rewritten so the implication isn't that on June 6 both events happened (unless it went from Columbia to across Central America in a single day)
"Bud slowed down significantly while traversing a region of cooler sea surface temperatures and ocean heat content near zero" - the last part seems like it could be scary to a non-expert. It also has no context for what zero is. I don't think the bolded part is needed, but if you do, try reworking it.
"The mid and low-levels, with the former traveling quickly to the northeast and the former over the Gulf of California and northwestern Mexico" - I believe this should be "mid- and low-levels", since mid also describes levels. Also, is this the right type of dash used? Also, two "former"s?
"became a post-tropical cyclone around 12:00 UTC on June 15 while located about 140 mi (220 km) south-southwest of Huatabampito, Mexico" - is that city
Huatabampo by chance? I wanted to check, since it was a redlink (which isn't too useful when referring to distances). If not, maybe say the Sonoran coast or something more tangible.
When you mention the watch/warnings, could you add more of a location reference? Just having the cities doesn't say much if people have an idea of what western Mexico is like. Something like "warning from X cities along the Baja California peninsula"
I already mentioned the southwestern coast of Mexico and Baja California Sur for two of them. I added location for the additional warnings.
NoahTalk01:32, 29 November 2020 (UTC)reply
The order of color alerts is odd. I'd imagine you'd list from lowest to highest, unless there's some other order?
"In Baja California Sur, 167 shelters were established with a combined capacity of 29,500 people and another 113 shelters were able to hold up to 54,000 residents in total." - just to clarify, by "were able to", does that mean the additional shelters were on standby? If they weren't used, I don't think they need to be mentioned so specifically, maybe just "with additional shelters capable of being set up". Or did the "in total" mean across Mexico? Now I'm confused
I merged the 167 and 113 to get 280 shelters. Also merged the 29.5k and 54k to get 83.5k people. I did this to condense the statement and make it less confusing.
NoahTalk01:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)reply
"Medical services were provided at shelters in the Los Cabos municipality by the Mexican and state governments." - is this unusual? I'd imagine most government shelters have some sort of first aid.
From the way the article read, the gov't/organizations had to work to achieve adequate medical care at shelters. Thus it appears this is unusual.
NoahTalk01:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)reply
I get the peak rainfall total in the first impact paragraph, but why the other two?
They are the top 3 highest rainfall totals throughout Mexico and the only three reported ones. Given the lack of exact totals from other areas, I saw no harm in including them.
NoahTalk01:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)reply
"Parks and Gardens personnel used chainsaws to clear roads after multiple trees fell and blocked them." - why is "Gardens" capitalized? Is this some unit?
It was just written with "Parks and Gardens" capitalized in Spanish. It must be some kind of local unit, but not much is specified.
NoahTalk01:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)reply
"Four trees fell in the towns of Naranjo, Salagua, Santiago, and Nuevo Cuyutlán" - is that four trees per town?
"Four species of fish died off in the Laguna Negra of Puerto Marques after sewage contaminated the waters following heavy rainfall from Bud." - did the four species go extinct? This sentence seems odd. I suggest starting like "Waters contaminated with sewage killed fish in the Laguna Negra of Puerto Marques."
The proper term for this is a die-off. I have reworded it. Keep in mind there are major differences between a die-off and mass mortality event (ie extinction).
NoahTalk00:54, 29 November 2020 (UTC)reply
"The waves swept away furniture and caused the short-circuiting of electrical components, almost killing a family." - just gonna leave that there?
"Torrential rains caused flooding on the Ermita Iztapalapa road until its intersection with Ignacio Zaragoza, inundating dozens of vehicles and entrapping the passengers. Local authorities rescued people from their vehicles. At the intersection itself, a patch of flooding at least 330 ft (100 m) long and 1 ft (0.3 m) deep occurred after rainfall caused raw sewage to overflow from drains." - this seems like a lengthy way of describing flooded roads. I'm not disputing the content, but I think it could be condensed a smidge
"Heavy rainfall generated currents that swept away a child who was crossing a road in the city." - was this one of the deaths related to the storm?
Yes, it was. Bud pasa por México sin causar daños, pero lluvias dejan un muerto en la capital and CNN espanol attributes the rains to Bud.
NoahTalk21:40, 28 November 2020 (UTC)reply
"Schools in La Paz and Los Cabos were set to resume on June 18" - did they? I only ask because the wording says "were set to resume". If unsure, I think the article could do without it.