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I deleted this:
"concerning a certain, ahem, scandalous practice related to the hurdy-gurdy."
Not very encyclopedia-like.
Worldmaster0 01:36, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
To user 4.245.72.140, whoever you are: I changed your edit back because it wasn't helpful or even accurate. "Nyenyere" is imitative of the sound of the instrument, not of the buzzing bridge (the sound is produced by the bridge, it's true). If in doubt, ask a Hungarian (I did, that's where I got that information). -- ILike2BeAnonymous 08:36, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
To user 4.245.77.31 (I assume this is the same as the one above, probably due to a non-fixed IP address): Please don't change this statement back again. As I explained, your edit was not an improvement. You apparently tried to make the sentence more explanatory, but it's completely unnecessary: anyone reading through the article would know, by the time they reached the bottom, that the buzzing sound was due to impulses when cranking the wheel. All that's important here is that the name (nyenyere) has to do with the sound; the rest of the article explains how the sound is produced. No need to clutter up the sentence needlessly. Thanks. -- ILike2BeAnonymous 20:08, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
In regard to the fact that it was in the category of busking: If so, then violin, guitar, harmonica, accordion, banjo, etc etc should also be included. in my opinion, the reason why Barrel Organ should be placed in busking but not others is that Barrel organ is designed mainly for busking, but other instruments are designed to play, with busking one of its use. 64.180.234.102 07:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Anything on tuning, different keys it can be tuned in? Abbyemery 19:03, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have a better image of a tekerő for the photos near the top? The one there is absolutely terrible and represents a very atypical and poor-quality instrument. I have a lot of photos myself, but none of them have clear IP that I can assign to Wikipedia under an appropriate license.
Fenevad 15:34, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
If anyone has photos with clear rights that can be used to illustrate the section on types, please post them and add them to that section. I believe that will benefit the article considerably. -- Fenevad 16:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
For ILike2BeAnonymous, please keep personal sniping about other's contributions out of the edit summaries, especially when what you are criticising is not in fact what you edit. While I appreciate the useful edits you made with the description "Clean up your 'cleanup': remove excessive details from lead", (1) they were not to what was referred to as a cleanup in the work I did, and (2) they did not actually remove any real details at all, but were instead primarily stylistic in nature. I don't know what I did to bother you, but ad hominem sniping and misuse of the mechanisms of Wikipedia to make it are not useful and you are the first to criticize others for similar lapses.
Fenevad 01:34, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
I am wondering if it would make sense to move the organistrum to a separate article. There are enough differences between the organistrum and modern hurdy gurdies that I think it would help this article flow better if the organistrum information were separate. Any thoughts on the matter? - Fenevad 02:10, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Can someone who plays using the Bourbonnais tuning please confirm that the graphic I posted is correct? I based in on Alden and Cali Hackmann's description of the tuning, but since I don't play this tuning (unlike the other two), cannot confirm it. - Fenevad 02:11, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
The recordings section seems to clutter this article up a bit and many of the recordings listed seem to be rather marginal in terms of information about the instrument. What should be the criteria for determining whether a recording should be listed? Also, would it make sense to make the list of recordings a separate article to keep it out of the main article? This is an approach I've seen on articles for other instruments. Any pros or cons to this approach? If I don't hear any opposition in the next few weeks, I will probably go ahead and move the list of recordings out to the other location. - Fenevad 03:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
The following external links violate the guidelines WP:EL and I'd recommend removing them. Keep in mind, Wikipedia is not a link repository WP:NOT#REPOSITORY.
Can anyone specify why hyphens are not generally used (i.e., "hurdy-gurdy" vs. "hurdy gurdy") in this page? A recent edit added some in, but also broke an internal link in the process. I would prefer there to be a hyphen, but if there is a good reason not to have it, it would be worth knowing. + Fenevad 20:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I put the GA nom on hold because I think the article is visually confusing. The placement of pictures seems arbitrary and the text wraps in an inelegant way around them, particularly in the last section. Additionally, there is a combination of different heading types that is similarly inelegant. The origins section is too long w/out a section break but later sections are too short, and there is a mix of different types of lists that seems a hodgepodge. The article is pretty good otherwise and this is not a huge concern, but it would be great if someone who is good at formatting could make the article flow better on the page.-- Dmz5 *Edits* *Talk* 17:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
We need some way of deciding what counts as notable external links. Someone just added a YouTube video of a player. I'm loathe to remove it, as it is useful for showing the instrument being used, but it raises the question about why other much more notable videos on YouTube, like those of Gilles Chabenet, are not included. When we open that door up then suddenly we need a HUGE list of videos and the list becomes useless. I'm not sure how to handle this issue, so I'm wondering if anyone has some good suggestions.
Best, - Fenevad 01:11, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
There were a series of edits to the sections on classification recently. While I am certain that the editor meant well, the edits resulted in numerous inaccuracies (Hungarian instruments being listed under both small and large wheel), duplications (the zanfona appeared in three different places), and other problems, like the large wheel section treating French instruments as the exemplar, an approach this section was designed to avoid. I would request that editors in the future take the time to understand how this section works (it's really not difficult) before jumping in and making a muddle of it. - Fenevad 15:32, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I just reverted or modified a bunch of changes from a "proffesional". My rationale is that they were simply wrong in most cases. Here is the list and the justification for reverting. If the individual who made the changes wants to clarify why he/she meant and change the article, that's fine, but the changes as they were created problems.
Please look through the explanation for the edit here and if you want to make changes, try to respond to my concerns, or discuss the concerns here. Best
- Fenevad 16:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
A recent edit [1] added to the discussion the idea that HGs are thought to have descended from fiddles. It provides a vague citation to Baines. I'm not clear that the consensus is that the organistrum was a descendent of the fiddle, per se, rather than a parallel invention using some principles. Does anyone know if this change is accurate? I'm inclined to remove it as speculative, but don't want to if it's well accepted. Unfortunately the person who made the edit wasn't logged in, so I can't approach him/her for clarification. - Fenevad ( talk) 21:02, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing Sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. So I will be assessing the article. Pyrotec ( talk) 20:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
This is a "good article", but it no longer meets the requirements of a GA in respect of WP:verify; and it already has {citation needed} tags on it.
In all other respects it is: well-written, informative, and well-illustrated. It would be a disappointment to me if this article lost its GA-status and was downgraded (to B-class), I'm therefore putting the GAR On Hold to allow time for these points to be addressed. Pyrotec ( talk) 20:47, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately, no progress has been made, and it's June 16. Article delisted. Once it meets the GA criteria again, it can be renominated at WP:GAN. Pyrotec ( talk) 21:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Musical Instruments currently has six GAs; four of these, including Pipe organ, are also up for review this year. Pipe organ has a number of {citations needed} flags and it is up for review so it might also fail; but that, I would suggest, is the minimum level of in-line citations what you should be aiming for in this article. Recorder is also on the list for review and that also has {citations needed} flags (see here for the articles in your scope that are due for review this year - Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force/Sweeps worklist#Instruments).
Just to clear up any possible misunderstandings: both the presence of {citations needed} flags and the absence of in-line citations can lead to loss of existing GA-status.
Any more questions, just add them to this page. Pyrotec ( talk) 23:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
What happened to the sentence explaining that some traditions hold that Buddha play the hurdy gurdy, in spite of the fact that there is no historical evidence for this claim? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.121.226.161 ( talk) 03:32, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
That was extremely rude and unecessary, Fenevad. Please show some respect. 97.121.219.35 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC).
What is the wheel typically made of? Is it wood?
Do the wheel cover and keybox serve an acoustic purpose? or is it just for looks? Puddytang ( talk) 05:22, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
The intro sates its use in Cajun French music, when it should say French. The Cajans do not use either hurdy gurdies or bagpipes. — Preceding
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In the UK we retain many of the French terms, such as tirette for the cord tensioning the trompette string. For this loose bridge, we use the term "dog", or the French "chien" which it is translated from, because it is what it looks like, a stylised Highland Terrier!
The ancestry of this is from the Trompette Marine, which was fashionable at the same time in the 16th century when the Hurdy acquired this feature, absent from Symphonies, an instrument which has a similar unstable bridge.
Where did you get that term from? It's roughly descriptive, sure, but it's not the correct terminology. I've been close to hurdy players for 30 years and I now have one I'm learning on. So although I'm not Chabennat, I'm first-degree friends with Clare Salaman of The Academy of Strange and Ancient Instruments and Sym, and Stevie Wishart, the leader of Symphonie. I'm also a Chester Minstrel alongside very many of the UK players. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.29.94.109 ( talk) 00:10, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
Hello everyone;
I thought it might be useful to report back, out of courtesy, to other editors interested in the present article, since I have tried to improve it yesterday and today, initially because it clearly needs more reference citations.
So, first of all, I consolidated the ref tags for the Nagy article and book, using the appropriate standard WP citations templates in each case. The Nagy article also appeared twice in the reflist as it was duplicated in the text, so I sorted that one out too. I also updated the reference to Saint-Chartier in the lead section.
Secondly, I was surprised by the absence of Palmer's book in the reference list and, after reading the history of the development of this article, noticed that her book is frowned upon by some editors, mainly (it would seem) because she was less well-informed about the Eastern European versions of the instrument and also because some of her prose seems to have offended local sensitivities. So, supporters of Nagy decided to redress the balance in this article, which is obviously fine, since they now have access to much more detailed information than she did in the 1970s, and before the advent of the Internet.
However, in the interest of neutrality and equanimity, I would suggest that Palmer's book has served us very well in other areas and, most importantly, it filled a huge gap when it first appeared on the scene in 1980. It seems to me that a WP article on our instrument would have been incomplete (i.e. might appear ill-informed or biased) if it omitted mentioning her book at all, and the same applies to Muskett's method. I have therefore added both books in reference citations at appropriate places in the article.
Thirdly, I have also streamlined the sub-sections on 'Names of the instrument', by grouping the existing sentences into linguistic affinities: all the French names together (including the Belgian-French ones, which I added with a reference citation to Palmer and also to the catalog of the 1983 exhibition in Galmaarden, earlier in the article); followed by all the West European names together and all the Eastern European names together (to mirror the article's general tenor of placing emphasis on Eastern European variants of our instrument). I also added the name 'sanfona' for Portugal, with a reference citation to Veiga's book.
As a general note, I was also a bit surprised that one (or more) previous editor(s) decided to have a separate section on 'Eastern Europe' without also including (for balance) a 'peer' section called 'Western Europe'. But, after re-reading the article several times, I concluded that most of the 'Origins and history' section was covering the development of the instrument in the Western parts of Europe anyway, and it made sense that Eastern Europe was therefore addressed in its own, separate section. Nonetheless, if I were to start this article from scratch, I would take a slightly different approach:
That's it. Thank you for reading the above update on my recent contributions; I hope they will prove useful.
By the way, I play a French-made vielle with all the strings in 'D', and I focus solely on adapting the repertoire of the 'concert set' (also in 'D') of the uilleann pipes; Willie Clancy is my big hero in this context.
With kind regards; Patrick. ツ Pdebee. ( talk) 10:15, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
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Hello everyone,
I have created five new userboxes for hurdy-gurdy players (see table below) in the gallery of music instruments userboxes. There is one userbox stating that the user plays the instrument, plus one userbox for each of the usual levels of proficiency.
You can now also add the following new user-categorization links at the bottom of your user pages if you wish to be included in the list of Wikipedian hurdy-gurdy players:
[[Category:Wikipedians by musical instrument|hurdy-gurdy]]
[[Category:Wikipedian hurdy-gurdy players]]
[[Category:Wikipedian hurdy-gurdy players-1]]
[[Category:Wikipedian hurdy-gurdy players-2]]
[[Category:Wikipedian hurdy-gurdy players-3]]
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Enjoy!
With kind regards; Patrick. ツ Pdebee. ( talk) 10:24, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
[For completeness, here is an exchange of communications relating to correcting the spelling of 'hurdy-gurdy' (with the hyphen, as per the OED) in the titles of all articles associated with the instrument. I have added the text of the exchanges here, in anticipation of the original text being archived from the user talk page where they occurred earlier today.
Patrick. ツ Pdebee. (talk) 21:20, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Dear Chris,
Happy New Year; I hope you are keeping well?
You helped me greatly as a reviewer of the changes I applied to the article on Andy Irvine last year, and I wonder if I may impose on you once more for advice on something I have never done before. Thank you in advance for any assistance you can afford to offer.
I have been working for some time on the article about the Hurdy gurdy. One of the changes I have wanted to apply to this article (and others associated with this instrument) for quite a while, is to make the spelling of the name conform to the entry in the Oxford English Dictionary: hurdy-gurdy (plural: hurdy-gurdies); that is, with the hyphen.
Of course, it was easy to correct the text inside the article and also in its associated article, Recordings featuring the hurdy gurdy, except that now I must also get the titles of both articles renamed, along with the title of the disambiguation page, and also the category: {{commons category|Hurdy Gurdy}}.
Please could you help me with this task, Chris? How do I go about changing the titles of these three articles and one commons category? Do I need to ask an admin to do this for me? What's the best approach you'd recommend, please Chris?
Many thanks for your time and advice; this is, of course, not urgent, so I will wait patiently for your reply.
Until then, please keep well and happy.
With kind regards for now;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee. (talk) 21:01, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Dear All,
Just a few minutes ago, I removed a file ("File:Ernst Müller Zitherspieler mit Bierkanne.jpg|thumb|200px"), which had been added
at 16:52 on 25 January 2014 by
Hafspajen.
The reason for my action, as documented in my edit summary, is simply because this illustration shows a beggar with a
zither resting on his knees and holding a beer mug in his left hand. A zither is obviously not a hurdy-gurdy, as anyone looking at this illustration should have concluded; even the caption of the file says "Zitherspieler mit Bierkanne", meaning "Zither player with beer mug".
Although I have edited the prose of this article several times since this illustration was added, I did not notice it until today, mainly because I tend to focus on the text of articles rather than on their illustrations.
I decided to leave the present comment section on this talk page because there was activity around this illustration, earlier today, where one editor correctly pointed out that it showed a zither and not a hurdy-gurdy, and another editor removed the comment because it had unfortunately been added to the caption of the illustration. So, I fixed the issue by simply removing the illustration altogether, as it should never have been added to this article in the first place.
I apologize for not noticing this erroneous illustration earlier, thus allowing it to appear in this article for nearly 17 months!
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ
Pdebee.
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Should there be a recording of the unique sound embedded for us who have never heard one?
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While I was listening to the sounds, it sounded a lot like an accordian to me. Angrybirdsfan2005 ( talk) 15:29, 18 January 2019 (UTC)Angrybirdsfan2005
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I deleted this:
"concerning a certain, ahem, scandalous practice related to the hurdy-gurdy."
Not very encyclopedia-like.
Worldmaster0 01:36, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
To user 4.245.72.140, whoever you are: I changed your edit back because it wasn't helpful or even accurate. "Nyenyere" is imitative of the sound of the instrument, not of the buzzing bridge (the sound is produced by the bridge, it's true). If in doubt, ask a Hungarian (I did, that's where I got that information). -- ILike2BeAnonymous 08:36, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
To user 4.245.77.31 (I assume this is the same as the one above, probably due to a non-fixed IP address): Please don't change this statement back again. As I explained, your edit was not an improvement. You apparently tried to make the sentence more explanatory, but it's completely unnecessary: anyone reading through the article would know, by the time they reached the bottom, that the buzzing sound was due to impulses when cranking the wheel. All that's important here is that the name (nyenyere) has to do with the sound; the rest of the article explains how the sound is produced. No need to clutter up the sentence needlessly. Thanks. -- ILike2BeAnonymous 20:08, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
In regard to the fact that it was in the category of busking: If so, then violin, guitar, harmonica, accordion, banjo, etc etc should also be included. in my opinion, the reason why Barrel Organ should be placed in busking but not others is that Barrel organ is designed mainly for busking, but other instruments are designed to play, with busking one of its use. 64.180.234.102 07:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Anything on tuning, different keys it can be tuned in? Abbyemery 19:03, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone have a better image of a tekerő for the photos near the top? The one there is absolutely terrible and represents a very atypical and poor-quality instrument. I have a lot of photos myself, but none of them have clear IP that I can assign to Wikipedia under an appropriate license.
Fenevad 15:34, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
If anyone has photos with clear rights that can be used to illustrate the section on types, please post them and add them to that section. I believe that will benefit the article considerably. -- Fenevad 16:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
For ILike2BeAnonymous, please keep personal sniping about other's contributions out of the edit summaries, especially when what you are criticising is not in fact what you edit. While I appreciate the useful edits you made with the description "Clean up your 'cleanup': remove excessive details from lead", (1) they were not to what was referred to as a cleanup in the work I did, and (2) they did not actually remove any real details at all, but were instead primarily stylistic in nature. I don't know what I did to bother you, but ad hominem sniping and misuse of the mechanisms of Wikipedia to make it are not useful and you are the first to criticize others for similar lapses.
Fenevad 01:34, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
I am wondering if it would make sense to move the organistrum to a separate article. There are enough differences between the organistrum and modern hurdy gurdies that I think it would help this article flow better if the organistrum information were separate. Any thoughts on the matter? - Fenevad 02:10, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Can someone who plays using the Bourbonnais tuning please confirm that the graphic I posted is correct? I based in on Alden and Cali Hackmann's description of the tuning, but since I don't play this tuning (unlike the other two), cannot confirm it. - Fenevad 02:11, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
The recordings section seems to clutter this article up a bit and many of the recordings listed seem to be rather marginal in terms of information about the instrument. What should be the criteria for determining whether a recording should be listed? Also, would it make sense to make the list of recordings a separate article to keep it out of the main article? This is an approach I've seen on articles for other instruments. Any pros or cons to this approach? If I don't hear any opposition in the next few weeks, I will probably go ahead and move the list of recordings out to the other location. - Fenevad 03:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
The following external links violate the guidelines WP:EL and I'd recommend removing them. Keep in mind, Wikipedia is not a link repository WP:NOT#REPOSITORY.
Can anyone specify why hyphens are not generally used (i.e., "hurdy-gurdy" vs. "hurdy gurdy") in this page? A recent edit added some in, but also broke an internal link in the process. I would prefer there to be a hyphen, but if there is a good reason not to have it, it would be worth knowing. + Fenevad 20:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I put the GA nom on hold because I think the article is visually confusing. The placement of pictures seems arbitrary and the text wraps in an inelegant way around them, particularly in the last section. Additionally, there is a combination of different heading types that is similarly inelegant. The origins section is too long w/out a section break but later sections are too short, and there is a mix of different types of lists that seems a hodgepodge. The article is pretty good otherwise and this is not a huge concern, but it would be great if someone who is good at formatting could make the article flow better on the page.-- Dmz5 *Edits* *Talk* 17:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
We need some way of deciding what counts as notable external links. Someone just added a YouTube video of a player. I'm loathe to remove it, as it is useful for showing the instrument being used, but it raises the question about why other much more notable videos on YouTube, like those of Gilles Chabenet, are not included. When we open that door up then suddenly we need a HUGE list of videos and the list becomes useless. I'm not sure how to handle this issue, so I'm wondering if anyone has some good suggestions.
Best, - Fenevad 01:11, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
There were a series of edits to the sections on classification recently. While I am certain that the editor meant well, the edits resulted in numerous inaccuracies (Hungarian instruments being listed under both small and large wheel), duplications (the zanfona appeared in three different places), and other problems, like the large wheel section treating French instruments as the exemplar, an approach this section was designed to avoid. I would request that editors in the future take the time to understand how this section works (it's really not difficult) before jumping in and making a muddle of it. - Fenevad 15:32, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I just reverted or modified a bunch of changes from a "proffesional". My rationale is that they were simply wrong in most cases. Here is the list and the justification for reverting. If the individual who made the changes wants to clarify why he/she meant and change the article, that's fine, but the changes as they were created problems.
Please look through the explanation for the edit here and if you want to make changes, try to respond to my concerns, or discuss the concerns here. Best
- Fenevad 16:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
A recent edit [1] added to the discussion the idea that HGs are thought to have descended from fiddles. It provides a vague citation to Baines. I'm not clear that the consensus is that the organistrum was a descendent of the fiddle, per se, rather than a parallel invention using some principles. Does anyone know if this change is accurate? I'm inclined to remove it as speculative, but don't want to if it's well accepted. Unfortunately the person who made the edit wasn't logged in, so I can't approach him/her for clarification. - Fenevad ( talk) 21:02, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing Sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. So I will be assessing the article. Pyrotec ( talk) 20:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
This is a "good article", but it no longer meets the requirements of a GA in respect of WP:verify; and it already has {citation needed} tags on it.
In all other respects it is: well-written, informative, and well-illustrated. It would be a disappointment to me if this article lost its GA-status and was downgraded (to B-class), I'm therefore putting the GAR On Hold to allow time for these points to be addressed. Pyrotec ( talk) 20:47, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately, no progress has been made, and it's June 16. Article delisted. Once it meets the GA criteria again, it can be renominated at WP:GAN. Pyrotec ( talk) 21:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Musical Instruments currently has six GAs; four of these, including Pipe organ, are also up for review this year. Pipe organ has a number of {citations needed} flags and it is up for review so it might also fail; but that, I would suggest, is the minimum level of in-line citations what you should be aiming for in this article. Recorder is also on the list for review and that also has {citations needed} flags (see here for the articles in your scope that are due for review this year - Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force/Sweeps worklist#Instruments).
Just to clear up any possible misunderstandings: both the presence of {citations needed} flags and the absence of in-line citations can lead to loss of existing GA-status.
Any more questions, just add them to this page. Pyrotec ( talk) 23:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
What happened to the sentence explaining that some traditions hold that Buddha play the hurdy gurdy, in spite of the fact that there is no historical evidence for this claim? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.121.226.161 ( talk) 03:32, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
That was extremely rude and unecessary, Fenevad. Please show some respect. 97.121.219.35 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC).
What is the wheel typically made of? Is it wood?
Do the wheel cover and keybox serve an acoustic purpose? or is it just for looks? Puddytang ( talk) 05:22, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
The intro sates its use in Cajun French music, when it should say French. The Cajans do not use either hurdy gurdies or bagpipes. — Preceding
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In the UK we retain many of the French terms, such as tirette for the cord tensioning the trompette string. For this loose bridge, we use the term "dog", or the French "chien" which it is translated from, because it is what it looks like, a stylised Highland Terrier!
The ancestry of this is from the Trompette Marine, which was fashionable at the same time in the 16th century when the Hurdy acquired this feature, absent from Symphonies, an instrument which has a similar unstable bridge.
Where did you get that term from? It's roughly descriptive, sure, but it's not the correct terminology. I've been close to hurdy players for 30 years and I now have one I'm learning on. So although I'm not Chabennat, I'm first-degree friends with Clare Salaman of The Academy of Strange and Ancient Instruments and Sym, and Stevie Wishart, the leader of Symphonie. I'm also a Chester Minstrel alongside very many of the UK players. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.29.94.109 ( talk) 00:10, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
Hello everyone;
I thought it might be useful to report back, out of courtesy, to other editors interested in the present article, since I have tried to improve it yesterday and today, initially because it clearly needs more reference citations.
So, first of all, I consolidated the ref tags for the Nagy article and book, using the appropriate standard WP citations templates in each case. The Nagy article also appeared twice in the reflist as it was duplicated in the text, so I sorted that one out too. I also updated the reference to Saint-Chartier in the lead section.
Secondly, I was surprised by the absence of Palmer's book in the reference list and, after reading the history of the development of this article, noticed that her book is frowned upon by some editors, mainly (it would seem) because she was less well-informed about the Eastern European versions of the instrument and also because some of her prose seems to have offended local sensitivities. So, supporters of Nagy decided to redress the balance in this article, which is obviously fine, since they now have access to much more detailed information than she did in the 1970s, and before the advent of the Internet.
However, in the interest of neutrality and equanimity, I would suggest that Palmer's book has served us very well in other areas and, most importantly, it filled a huge gap when it first appeared on the scene in 1980. It seems to me that a WP article on our instrument would have been incomplete (i.e. might appear ill-informed or biased) if it omitted mentioning her book at all, and the same applies to Muskett's method. I have therefore added both books in reference citations at appropriate places in the article.
Thirdly, I have also streamlined the sub-sections on 'Names of the instrument', by grouping the existing sentences into linguistic affinities: all the French names together (including the Belgian-French ones, which I added with a reference citation to Palmer and also to the catalog of the 1983 exhibition in Galmaarden, earlier in the article); followed by all the West European names together and all the Eastern European names together (to mirror the article's general tenor of placing emphasis on Eastern European variants of our instrument). I also added the name 'sanfona' for Portugal, with a reference citation to Veiga's book.
As a general note, I was also a bit surprised that one (or more) previous editor(s) decided to have a separate section on 'Eastern Europe' without also including (for balance) a 'peer' section called 'Western Europe'. But, after re-reading the article several times, I concluded that most of the 'Origins and history' section was covering the development of the instrument in the Western parts of Europe anyway, and it made sense that Eastern Europe was therefore addressed in its own, separate section. Nonetheless, if I were to start this article from scratch, I would take a slightly different approach:
That's it. Thank you for reading the above update on my recent contributions; I hope they will prove useful.
By the way, I play a French-made vielle with all the strings in 'D', and I focus solely on adapting the repertoire of the 'concert set' (also in 'D') of the uilleann pipes; Willie Clancy is my big hero in this context.
With kind regards; Patrick. ツ Pdebee. ( talk) 10:15, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
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Hello everyone,
I have created five new userboxes for hurdy-gurdy players (see table below) in the gallery of music instruments userboxes. There is one userbox stating that the user plays the instrument, plus one userbox for each of the usual levels of proficiency.
You can now also add the following new user-categorization links at the bottom of your user pages if you wish to be included in the list of Wikipedian hurdy-gurdy players:
[[Category:Wikipedians by musical instrument|hurdy-gurdy]]
[[Category:Wikipedian hurdy-gurdy players]]
[[Category:Wikipedian hurdy-gurdy players-1]]
[[Category:Wikipedian hurdy-gurdy players-2]]
[[Category:Wikipedian hurdy-gurdy players-3]]
[[Category:Wikipedian hurdy-gurdy players-4]]
Enjoy!
With kind regards; Patrick. ツ Pdebee. ( talk) 10:24, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
[For completeness, here is an exchange of communications relating to correcting the spelling of 'hurdy-gurdy' (with the hyphen, as per the OED) in the titles of all articles associated with the instrument. I have added the text of the exchanges here, in anticipation of the original text being archived from the user talk page where they occurred earlier today.
Patrick. ツ Pdebee. (talk) 21:20, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Dear Chris,
Happy New Year; I hope you are keeping well?
You helped me greatly as a reviewer of the changes I applied to the article on Andy Irvine last year, and I wonder if I may impose on you once more for advice on something I have never done before. Thank you in advance for any assistance you can afford to offer.
I have been working for some time on the article about the Hurdy gurdy. One of the changes I have wanted to apply to this article (and others associated with this instrument) for quite a while, is to make the spelling of the name conform to the entry in the Oxford English Dictionary: hurdy-gurdy (plural: hurdy-gurdies); that is, with the hyphen.
Of course, it was easy to correct the text inside the article and also in its associated article, Recordings featuring the hurdy gurdy, except that now I must also get the titles of both articles renamed, along with the title of the disambiguation page, and also the category: {{commons category|Hurdy Gurdy}}.
Please could you help me with this task, Chris? How do I go about changing the titles of these three articles and one commons category? Do I need to ask an admin to do this for me? What's the best approach you'd recommend, please Chris?
Many thanks for your time and advice; this is, of course, not urgent, so I will wait patiently for your reply.
Until then, please keep well and happy.
With kind regards for now;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee. (talk) 21:01, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Dear All,
Just a few minutes ago, I removed a file ("File:Ernst Müller Zitherspieler mit Bierkanne.jpg|thumb|200px"), which had been added
at 16:52 on 25 January 2014 by
Hafspajen.
The reason for my action, as documented in my edit summary, is simply because this illustration shows a beggar with a
zither resting on his knees and holding a beer mug in his left hand. A zither is obviously not a hurdy-gurdy, as anyone looking at this illustration should have concluded; even the caption of the file says "Zitherspieler mit Bierkanne", meaning "Zither player with beer mug".
Although I have edited the prose of this article several times since this illustration was added, I did not notice it until today, mainly because I tend to focus on the text of articles rather than on their illustrations.
I decided to leave the present comment section on this talk page because there was activity around this illustration, earlier today, where one editor correctly pointed out that it showed a zither and not a hurdy-gurdy, and another editor removed the comment because it had unfortunately been added to the caption of the illustration. So, I fixed the issue by simply removing the illustration altogether, as it should never have been added to this article in the first place.
I apologize for not noticing this erroneous illustration earlier, thus allowing it to appear in this article for nearly 17 months!
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ
Pdebee.
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20:19, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Should there be a recording of the unique sound embedded for us who have never heard one?
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22:43, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
While I was listening to the sounds, it sounded a lot like an accordian to me. Angrybirdsfan2005 ( talk) 15:29, 18 January 2019 (UTC)Angrybirdsfan2005