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I dont agree with that Dante, fasting is different than Hunger strike, a hunger strike is "protest" oriented and has more political and moral meaning attached to it. while fasting can be seen as purely religious. OR evm Hunger Strike can be categorized as a special type of fasting where in a protest comes into picture. Hunger Strike should definitely be separate from fasting, so I think. -- Girish 19:10, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)
Fair enough. -- Dante Alighieri | Talk 22:32, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
I added these things, which I found in David Beresford's "Ten Men Dead." They give an early, brief history of the practice. I added citations to the book I got it from; I mainly paraphrased what was said in that book.
-- L.A.F. 08:21, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Why Akbar Ganji's section removed without any discussions?-- Sina 22:54, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
I have rewritten the history of hunger strikes in Turkey, since the existant information was very superficial, hence leading inaccuracies. I can't claim my edit is perfectly correct, since I have mostly relied on my memory and quick internet search, but I hope it will initiate an effort to create a correct section. I tried to be objective, but I am generally biased by my left-wing/liberal POV, so I will appreciate neutralization as well. However, please no Turkish nationalist, extreme leftist, Kurdish separatist, or European anti-Turkish propaganda. Thank you. AldirmaGonul 05:50, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
While trying to be not so self serving, I really think it will be useful to add an article I wrote on the subject. It is the only academic article which tries to answer the question: why people go on hunger strikes? It also answers some of the questions raised here. If someone were to include some portions of it, it will improve the quality of your entry. Here is the citation.
2005 Israel S. Waismel-Manor “Striking Differences: Hunger Strikes in Israel and the United States.” Social Movement Studies 4:3, 281-300.
Many thanks,
Israel IsraelWaismelManor 14:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
It seems like this page focuses more on who has done a hunger strike then the mechanics of how a hunger strike works. I'm interested in knowing if any eating is allowed (such as the Ramadan fast), or if any sustenance (ie juice and vitamins) is allowed, or the details of what it entails. Neither this page, nor the fasting page hold this information. -- garlic : November 21, 2005
Hi, While trying to be not so self serving, I really think it will be useful to add an article I wrote on the subject and for someone to insert some of its paragraphs and findings into the main entry. It is the only academic article which tries to answer the question: why people go on hunger strikes? It will improve the quality of your entry. Here is the citation.
2005 Israel S. Waismel-Manor “Striking Differences: Hunger Strikes in Israel and the United States.” Social Movement Studies 4:3, 281-300.
Many thanks,
Israel
IsraelWaismelManor 14:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Should this be reduced and most of the info moved to a main-article? If so which? Regardless extensive "cites" should be used. Rich Farmbrough 13:16 7 March 2006 (UTC).
My 1995 Swedish edition of the Guinness Book of Records says:
The article on Terence MacSwiney says:
The article on David Blaine says (on why he would not be included in future editions of the Book of Records):
Does anybody have any clarity on who of these actually went the longest without food and what the criteria really are? — Gabbe 07:27, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Terence MacSwiney died after 74 days not 78. Kieran Doherty died after 71 days, Kevin Lynch died after 71 days.-- Padraig ( talk) 16:55, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I, too, would love to know who did the longest Hunger Strike of all time. I'm not sure about the 1st one above in Cork. It implies that all 9 (presumably) IRA men died on the one day or they went off the fast on the one day, after 94 days. El Gringo 12:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
According to this-
[1]- CNN article quoting a Guinness Book of Records official, 'He pointed out that the longest hunger strike ended in 1973 after 385 days when Dennis Galer Goodwin protested his innocence in Wakefield Prison, West Yorkshire, of a rape charge. He was fed by tube orally. The lengthiest period spent without solid food was 382 days when Angus Barbieri lived on tea, coffee, soda water and vitamins in Maryfield Hospital, Dundee in the mid Sixties. He lost more than 20 stone.' 385 days without food? That could not possibly be right, or could it?
El Gringo
12:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
In response to El Gringo's comment, the Irish strikers didn't die (I think three might have), the strike was ended at the 94 day point I believe. I happen to know at least one of the the strikers survived many years after the strike. TostitosAreGross 02:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Some of them did- Bobby Sands being the most famous one.-- L.A.F. 05:27, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
The longest hunger strike was 116 days by Bhagat Singh and Dutt, resisting force feeding and only on water I think. Well there were a few to joint the hunger strike some of them gave up and few even died. 116 days is for sure wikipedia has info about this guy [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.230.141 ( talk) 03:52, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
The three-day glucose store (uncited) information here conflicts with the Physiological effects section of Fasting (also uncited). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.194.187.135 ( talk) 20:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
And how about the statement that for the first ten thousand days the body burns glucose?(!) I'm no doctor or health specialist but even the same paragraph then states that people have died after 75 days. -- Wgarciamachmar ( talk) 18:53, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Seems like we should be able to find these in medical references fairly easily. I'm surprised how long it's been left uncited, and how poorly referenced the related articles are. I'm having a hard time finding anything with simple searches though. I'd guess we need to just look directly for medical references rather than use general search engines. -- Ronz ( talk) 20:21, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
hightlight the hypocrisy of the West supporting the Green Revolution in Iran in 2009 but not supporting people who fled from the torture in Iranian prisons afterwards.
Ignoring the misspelling of highlight, this line seems very biased in favour of the protesters. Wikipedia is meant to take a neutral standpoint, so this must be changed. Kookas ( talk) 12:19, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
How can we rewrite this section so it isn't a WP:COATRACK with WP:RECENTISM problems? How about we apply WP:LIST, and come up with some clear inclusion criteria? -- Ronz ( talk) 03:17, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
I changed the section heading to "Notable instances" to help with the recentism problems. -- Ronz ( talk) 17:30, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
I've started removing entries where the hunger strike has no notable impact. -- Ronz ( talk) 01:27, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Given recent concerns with the inclusion criteria, I think it's helpful to also note that this criteria helps us avoid WP:BLP, WP:NPOV, and WP:NOT (especially WP:SOAP and WP:NOTNEWSPAPER/ WP:NOTDIARY) problems. -- Ronz ( talk) 18:50, 6 September 2012 (UTC):
Why is this not important?
− In 2012 approximately 1800 Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli prisons began a mass hunger strike. Israel holds approximately 4,500 Palestinian prisoners, of which about 310 are being held in administrative detention which has been described as detention without trial. Four of the hunger strikers have been without food for over two months. In May 2012, the Israeli Supreme Court rejected the appeals of two of the prisoners who had appealed against their being imprisoned "without charge or trial." [1] [2] Padres Hana ( talk) 21:07, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
I've trimmed it back to emphasize the notable aspects. -- Ronz ( talk) 21:12, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
The section about the Palestinian hungerstrikes was extended considering that, as a whole, it's one of the most important series of hungerstrikes in worlds history in terms of A. The number of participants (2000 people participated in the 28th day hungerstrike in April-May 2012) B. The length of some of the hungerstrikes of individual persons (reaching as long as 123 or 125 days) C. The achievements of the hungerstrikers as far as it concern prison policies and liberation of prisoners. Some editors prefered to remove the whole section. I made a different article about Palestinian Hunger Strikers (2011-2012) and put at the Hunger Strike article, only a small part of it, a summary. Still, Ronz prefered to delete the whole summmary. I insist that this is not the right way to treat one of the most important hungerstrike in world's history. If someone is deleting the whole incident is proving that is biased. Hamish2011 ( talk) 16:26, 14 October 2012 (UTC)Hamish2011 Hamish2011 ( talk) 16:26, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Ronz reverted my addition of Abdulhadi al-Khawaja's hunger strike, because -according to him/her- it did not meet inclusion criteria. This strike received international attention and is covered in many reliable sources. I would like to know the inclusion criteria. Mohamed CJ (talk) 18:06, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
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In the first place, there must be criteria of inclusion, and if the list included every successful single person strike, it definitely would become unreadable. The current criteria seem absolutely reasonable to me, and I find this particular revert absolutely obvious and justified. That said, I would suggest to separate the particular events into a standalone list (sortable table) and to define criteria via RfC.— Dmitrij D. Czarkoff ( talk• track) 22:37, 7 September 2012 (UTC) |
This is my proposal for the inclusion criteria, which will be put in a sortable table. Let's first discuss it here then when we have a solid proposal call for RfC.
Mohamed CJ (talk) 07:54, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Without addressing the problems that this article has had because of the lists, creating a stand-alone-list article would just make the problems worse. We have a working inclusion criteria here. Let's improve it and follow up on the comments about the "Recent instances (since 2000)" section). -- Ronz ( talk) 15:33, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Editors have disagreed about including a recent entry to the article, then discussion developed to question other entries' notability and the inclusion criteria. Should we put all entries of historical and recent hunger strikes in a standalone list with the inclusion criteria being: Inclusion in this list is based solely on coverage in multiple reliable sources with no strong geographic ties to the place of events that a person or group of people underwent a hunger strike? Mohamed CJ (talk) 18:48, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Once again, this article should not go into great detail on the matter, and it's not clear if it should be listed at all. See the previous discussion on this.
The section about the Palestinian hungerstrikes was extended considering that, as a whole, it's one of the most important series of hungerstrikes in worlds history in terms of A. The number of participants (2000 people participated in the 28th day hungerstrike in April-May 2012) B. The length of some of the hungerstrikes of individual persons (reaching as long as 123 or 125 days) C. The achievements of the hungerstrikers as far as it concern prison policies and liberation of prisoners. Some editors prefered to remove the whole section. I made a different article about Palestinian Hunger Strikers (2011-2012) and put at the Hunger Strike article, only a small part of it, a summary. Still, Ronz prefered to delete the whole summmary. I insist that this is not the right way to treat one of the most important hungerstrike in world's history. If someone is deleting the whole incident is proving that is biased. Hamish2011 ( talk) 16:31, 14 October 2012 (UTC)Hamish2011 Hamish2011 ( talk) 16:31, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Amnesty International, which is by far the biggest (3 million members and supporters), most important and most INDEPENDENT (no money from governments) human rights NGOs, has issued a large number of press releases and urgent actions about the Palestinian hunger strikers the recent months. This is the most objective proof about the importance and impact of this collective hungerstrike. Hamish2011 ( talk) 16:42, 14 October 2012 (UTC)Hamish2011 Hamish2011 ( talk) 16:42, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
As seen from the previous discussion, there isn't any consensus that it should even be here. CERTAINLY, we're not going to list the names of ten different hunger strikers, unlike how the rest of the article is structured, which is more general information. The fact that there's a large number of hunger strikers (is there an RS that says it's the largest??) doesn't mean it's notable, just means there's a lot of prisoners upset they have 3G and not 4G. -- Jethro B 17:51, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
The fact that Jethro B doesn´t consider Amnesty International as objective is the proof that the motive of his intervention is not to the improvement of wikipedia articles, but to promote his personal political views. Amnesty International is a pioneer human rights organization. And by far, the biggest one.
Amnesty International on palestinian hungerstrikers in recent months:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/palestinian-detainee-gaza-deportation-must-be-released-2012-03-30
http://www.amnesty.org/en/appeals-for-action-Israel-End-use-of-administrative-detention
Actually the only person I see pushing a view is you my friend, Jethro is trying to use what we call WP:CONSENSUS which is the way we add things here. Sadly you've violated the WP:1RR and have repeatedly put in copyrighted violations. Please take a step back, review WP:AGF or this could be a really short visit here. Hell In A Bucket ( talk) 18:32, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
This is not about views. This is about FACTS. You are deleting facts and returning the article to a previous version which is not even accurate! (e.g. the mass hunger strike of Palestinian prisoners did not start in February but in April). Before disrepecting and deleting the work of another editor, please try to check if his version is more accurate than the previous one or the one you post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamish2011 ( talk • contribs) 20:47, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Exactly. Not push an agenda. E.g. not delegimitizing hungerstrikers by saying that they are "upset they have 3G and not 4G". Is this a comment that indicates that there isn't an agenda? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamish2011 ( talk • contribs) 21:02, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Of course there can be other criteria, such as e.g. if a hungerstriker has died - which is not the case for Palestinian prisoners. But the fact that a hungerstriker didn't die, and instead won his demands or even his freedom, cannot be a reason to underrate the importance of a hungerstrike. As far as it concerns the real reason that my contributions were deleted... If someone is interested in the way the facts are written, he/she can change a part of the article. Not delete the entire part, omiting serious facts. Of course deleting something is easier than change it, because the latter needs more time and references to proove the accuracy of the text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamish2011 ( talk • contribs) 21:39, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Hamish2011, I wonder if you'd be as willing to include say Walid Khaled, whose on a hunger strike in a Palestinian jail, or whether it only applies to militants in charge of organizations that attack Israelis? I notice a section in this article on Irish hunger strikers - it says that 8000 of them went on hunger strikes. Yet the article isn't structured that we list the names of all these hunger strikers, that's simply ridiculous. -- Jethro B 22:06, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Is there any problem with them? Actually they are more accurate about the facts compared with the current version.
Btw, Hisham... Criticism_of_Amnesty_International#Israel is a good start. -- Jethro B 23:35, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
[25] I don't see how either of these even begin to meet our inclusion criteria. The apparent extent of the impact that these strikes have made is that they've been reported in the news and created discussion. -- Ronz ( talk) 15:59, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
I've reverted a number of changes that highlighted those that died due to their hunger strike (as well as adding new entries that dont appear to meet our inclusion criteria). The editor didn't bother to note all the entries that included deaths, and I'm not sure how we could given some of the entries are about group hunger strikes where some but not all died as a result. -- Ronz ( talk) 17:18, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
(The top comment from Ronz has been moved from talk page here to better work out the issues involved. Pigman ☿/talk 19:04, 27 December 2012 (UTC) )
At this point, I don't believe her strike meets the inclusion criteria for the article. She's getting a great deal of attention as recent news, but it's too early to see if it will have any long-term notability. Most importantly, there's been no results from the strike beyond the publicity. This is the key criteria that we've been using at Hunger strike to prevent it from becoming a listing of all hunger strikes, instead of an article about hunger strikes that highlights a few extremely notable ones.
Take a look at the talk page discussions and article history. The criteria is working, but not without occasional confusion. There's support for creating a separate list of notable hunger strikes, but I don't think anyone has tried starting it. It'll likely be a very long list, but it should be manageable if constrained to strikes already mentioned in other articles. -- Ronz ( talk) 18:04, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Sorry. The inclusion criteria is what it is. If someone wants to work to improve it, that's fine. Pretending there is no consensus for it is nonsense. Ignoring the problems that the inclusion criteria addresses is detrimental to this article and this encyclopedia.
So the policies and guidelines relevant to the problems this article has are WP:BLP, WP:NPOV, and WP:NOT (especially WP:SOAP and WP:NOTNEWSPAPER/ WP:NOTDIARY).
The relevant essays are WP:COATRACK and WP:RECENTISM.
So, is Spence's strike notable? I don't see an article on it. It's not even highlighted with it's own section in Idle No More. It's generated press and interest, no doubt. If that's all the impact it makes, then I don't believe it should be included. Perhaps if Idle No More's impact grows.
I've pointed out that there is strong consensus for creating a separate article listing notable hunger strikes. I don't see any reason why Spence's would not be included in such an article. -- Ronz ( talk) 21:37, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Moving Ronz's post from my talk page and responding here:
I think it would be best to first make improvements here, and get this article in good shape, and then discuss how we want to structure a related page. While I can sympathise with not wanting everyone adding minor figures here, I also think that any article must have the included people meet notability standards, NPOV, and have some content that explains their relevance (as we have here now). I do not support an "article" that is a simple list of names with links. I would instead see a useful split as taking the content in the example hunger strikes and having a paragraph or so on each one. I think simple lists of other articles are often more of a circular file to keep content out of articles. - Slàn, Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦ ♫ 00:27, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
This article is biased. There is no way anyone can honestly say this hunger strike is an "international phenomenon". I won't edit as there are lots of people here working on it who would be better to do that, but really, that's just silly. You WISH it was an international "phenomenon", but come on. It shouldn't even be listed in this article. It's also inaccurate, as bill 45 does not "remove many of the rights of the first nations". That too is the delusion of the protesters, who are no doubt the ones who added her to this page and should thus step away from this article, instead of spreading your own propaganda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.36.223 ( talk) 13:09, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Could someone please remove this section, since someone who subsists on fish broth and tea and is very far indeed from starvation cannot in good faith be compared to Gandhi or the Cuban dissidents. There should certainly be a period of time to assess events before something so politically motivated and biased is added to the list of examples of those who clearly endured great suffering and died or nearly died as a consequence of their hunger strikes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.170.148.125 ( talk) 05:27, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
This section should be removed. Chief Spence's hunger strike is not in the same definition of others listed on the website, she is on a diet of tea and fish broth soup. Further, her demands were to meet with Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the Governor General of Canada. Both of which were agreed to with a meeting of several Aboriginal Chiefs at the same time on Friday January 12th, 2012. Chief Spence as essentially now added conditions and is continuing on a reduced calorie diet of fish broth and tea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.96.11 ( talk) 13:28, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Given the past discussions and the history of this article, I think the inclusion criteria should be strikes with their own articles (not many of them) as well as people with their own articles who are notable for participating in a strike.
Since it's come up here before, a note on organization: I think that individuals that participated in a notable or group strike should be listed as sub-bullets:
Finally, it should be a simple list beyond a lede that introduces the list and includes the inclusion criteria, per MOS:LIST. -- Ronz ( talk) 23:37, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
From what I'm finding, the list is going to have to be created by finding relevant articles through searches within Wikipedia. This might also be helpful. -- Ronz ( talk) 23:17, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
I've created a stub, List of hunger strikes. -- Ronz ( talk) 18:24, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
I removed the section. It had no sources, and I couldn't find mention of the topic in other articles. -- Ronz ( talk) 22:20, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
List of hunger strikes has been created and is coming along well. Given the RfC, I think the next step is to remove the "Recent instances..." section and change the inclusion criteria to very notable, historical instances only that can be sourced as such. -- Ronz ( talk) 02:35, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
The section addresses the early Irish tradition first, but it is pre-dated by the Indian practice. Should probably be reorganized if someone can find some good sources. http://www.mesacc.edu/~thoqh49081/celtic/Toscad.html might be a start. -- Ronz ( talk) 04:34, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
I've seen a number of articles claiming a man named Samer Issawi is currently engaged in a hunger strike that has lasted over 150 days. Does anyone have any *verified* information about him, and can attest to the allegation that he is still alive, and not eating? It seems rather astounding and doubtful that he has gone without food (eg only water, tea, vitamins) for so long and still be alive. If this case is real then I think he should be added to the list. Here's some sources I've found but I'm not sure how accurate/unbiased they are since they're only coming from the pro-Issawi side of things. Samer speaks from jail International Solidarity Movement Middle East Monitor. Coinmanj ( talk) 00:15, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm sure people with a great amount of body fat support a hunger strike much longer than a slim body. In Evolution there is a hypothesis about how humans began storing energy in corporal fat and not die in greater periods of hungering. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.79.85.172 ( talk • contribs) 2013-07-16T18:12:49 (UTC)
Not seeing that in this article. Not politically correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.23.21.36 ( talk • contribs) 2014-03-22T14:31:16 (UTC)
Given the large amount of discussion to wade through, most of it before List of hunger strikes was created, I thought it would be useful to repeat the inclusion criteria:
We're only listing historically significant hunger strikes in this article that have created impacts beyond their the expected publicity. -- Ronz ( talk) 16:55, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
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To this day I still don't understand what the "leverage" or tactical benefit is of a hunger strike. Would be good if article could explain how self-starving is supposed to wield any kind of power over captors. Thank you
The article should state whether hunger strikes to the death a type of suicide. A person choosing to starve themselves to death commits suicide. A hunger strike to the death is a person choosing to starve themselves to death whilst making demands. Different people & organisations have different opinions on whether or not they're suicides, but should we say that they are or are not? Jim Michael ( talk) 10:19, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Different people & organisations have different opinions on whether or not they're suicides, but should we say that they are or are not?I would think anyone even asking that question should go and read WP:NPOV. FDW777 ( talk) 18:17, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
especially when they relate to politicsWhose politics? -- Hipal/Ronz ( talk) 22:26, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
You know perfectly well it isn't neutral and you need to look at multiple articles where we have the terrorist/freedom fighter issue. You've been editing for over a decade so you should know this by now. As to the second point, third party reliable sources which make that statement would of course allow that view to be presented.----- Snowded TALK 13:37, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
"Most hunger strikers will take liquids but not solid food." You can live, and not even get hungry, on milk indefinitely I believe. Likewise on soup. Both of these foods are liquids. So this is extremely confusing. Arctic Gazelle ( talk) 15:46, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
There is no section here on Turkey despite Hunger Strikes often being a center point of struggle in Turkish and Kurdish resistance. It seems there was at some point but it was (possibly malicious) deleted as this is a fairly trivial thing to find sources for. If anyone could contribute or recomend more reading that is accessible to me as a non-academic I would greatly appreciate that. Thank you. SP00KY talk 17:55, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
While this article refers to a number of events involving hunger strikes, it would be beneficial to add a section on the relationship between hunger strikes and sexuality. In other words, someone could examine how (or if) hunger strikes are employed as a means of support for the queer community. Are hunger strikes prevalent in this community? Does this trend differ globally? Pallavi Banerjee, co-author of The Politics and Aesthetics of Global Hunger (2017), might be a valuable source to consider. ~~~~Cb21519 Cb21519 ( talk) 02:19, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
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I dont agree with that Dante, fasting is different than Hunger strike, a hunger strike is "protest" oriented and has more political and moral meaning attached to it. while fasting can be seen as purely religious. OR evm Hunger Strike can be categorized as a special type of fasting where in a protest comes into picture. Hunger Strike should definitely be separate from fasting, so I think. -- Girish 19:10, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)
Fair enough. -- Dante Alighieri | Talk 22:32, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
I added these things, which I found in David Beresford's "Ten Men Dead." They give an early, brief history of the practice. I added citations to the book I got it from; I mainly paraphrased what was said in that book.
-- L.A.F. 08:21, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Why Akbar Ganji's section removed without any discussions?-- Sina 22:54, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
I have rewritten the history of hunger strikes in Turkey, since the existant information was very superficial, hence leading inaccuracies. I can't claim my edit is perfectly correct, since I have mostly relied on my memory and quick internet search, but I hope it will initiate an effort to create a correct section. I tried to be objective, but I am generally biased by my left-wing/liberal POV, so I will appreciate neutralization as well. However, please no Turkish nationalist, extreme leftist, Kurdish separatist, or European anti-Turkish propaganda. Thank you. AldirmaGonul 05:50, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
While trying to be not so self serving, I really think it will be useful to add an article I wrote on the subject. It is the only academic article which tries to answer the question: why people go on hunger strikes? It also answers some of the questions raised here. If someone were to include some portions of it, it will improve the quality of your entry. Here is the citation.
2005 Israel S. Waismel-Manor “Striking Differences: Hunger Strikes in Israel and the United States.” Social Movement Studies 4:3, 281-300.
Many thanks,
Israel IsraelWaismelManor 14:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
It seems like this page focuses more on who has done a hunger strike then the mechanics of how a hunger strike works. I'm interested in knowing if any eating is allowed (such as the Ramadan fast), or if any sustenance (ie juice and vitamins) is allowed, or the details of what it entails. Neither this page, nor the fasting page hold this information. -- garlic : November 21, 2005
Hi, While trying to be not so self serving, I really think it will be useful to add an article I wrote on the subject and for someone to insert some of its paragraphs and findings into the main entry. It is the only academic article which tries to answer the question: why people go on hunger strikes? It will improve the quality of your entry. Here is the citation.
2005 Israel S. Waismel-Manor “Striking Differences: Hunger Strikes in Israel and the United States.” Social Movement Studies 4:3, 281-300.
Many thanks,
Israel
IsraelWaismelManor 14:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Should this be reduced and most of the info moved to a main-article? If so which? Regardless extensive "cites" should be used. Rich Farmbrough 13:16 7 March 2006 (UTC).
My 1995 Swedish edition of the Guinness Book of Records says:
The article on Terence MacSwiney says:
The article on David Blaine says (on why he would not be included in future editions of the Book of Records):
Does anybody have any clarity on who of these actually went the longest without food and what the criteria really are? — Gabbe 07:27, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Terence MacSwiney died after 74 days not 78. Kieran Doherty died after 71 days, Kevin Lynch died after 71 days.-- Padraig ( talk) 16:55, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I, too, would love to know who did the longest Hunger Strike of all time. I'm not sure about the 1st one above in Cork. It implies that all 9 (presumably) IRA men died on the one day or they went off the fast on the one day, after 94 days. El Gringo 12:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
According to this-
[1]- CNN article quoting a Guinness Book of Records official, 'He pointed out that the longest hunger strike ended in 1973 after 385 days when Dennis Galer Goodwin protested his innocence in Wakefield Prison, West Yorkshire, of a rape charge. He was fed by tube orally. The lengthiest period spent without solid food was 382 days when Angus Barbieri lived on tea, coffee, soda water and vitamins in Maryfield Hospital, Dundee in the mid Sixties. He lost more than 20 stone.' 385 days without food? That could not possibly be right, or could it?
El Gringo
12:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
In response to El Gringo's comment, the Irish strikers didn't die (I think three might have), the strike was ended at the 94 day point I believe. I happen to know at least one of the the strikers survived many years after the strike. TostitosAreGross 02:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Some of them did- Bobby Sands being the most famous one.-- L.A.F. 05:27, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
The longest hunger strike was 116 days by Bhagat Singh and Dutt, resisting force feeding and only on water I think. Well there were a few to joint the hunger strike some of them gave up and few even died. 116 days is for sure wikipedia has info about this guy [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.230.141 ( talk) 03:52, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
The three-day glucose store (uncited) information here conflicts with the Physiological effects section of Fasting (also uncited). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.194.187.135 ( talk) 20:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
And how about the statement that for the first ten thousand days the body burns glucose?(!) I'm no doctor or health specialist but even the same paragraph then states that people have died after 75 days. -- Wgarciamachmar ( talk) 18:53, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Seems like we should be able to find these in medical references fairly easily. I'm surprised how long it's been left uncited, and how poorly referenced the related articles are. I'm having a hard time finding anything with simple searches though. I'd guess we need to just look directly for medical references rather than use general search engines. -- Ronz ( talk) 20:21, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
hightlight the hypocrisy of the West supporting the Green Revolution in Iran in 2009 but not supporting people who fled from the torture in Iranian prisons afterwards.
Ignoring the misspelling of highlight, this line seems very biased in favour of the protesters. Wikipedia is meant to take a neutral standpoint, so this must be changed. Kookas ( talk) 12:19, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
How can we rewrite this section so it isn't a WP:COATRACK with WP:RECENTISM problems? How about we apply WP:LIST, and come up with some clear inclusion criteria? -- Ronz ( talk) 03:17, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
I changed the section heading to "Notable instances" to help with the recentism problems. -- Ronz ( talk) 17:30, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
I've started removing entries where the hunger strike has no notable impact. -- Ronz ( talk) 01:27, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Given recent concerns with the inclusion criteria, I think it's helpful to also note that this criteria helps us avoid WP:BLP, WP:NPOV, and WP:NOT (especially WP:SOAP and WP:NOTNEWSPAPER/ WP:NOTDIARY) problems. -- Ronz ( talk) 18:50, 6 September 2012 (UTC):
Why is this not important?
− In 2012 approximately 1800 Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli prisons began a mass hunger strike. Israel holds approximately 4,500 Palestinian prisoners, of which about 310 are being held in administrative detention which has been described as detention without trial. Four of the hunger strikers have been without food for over two months. In May 2012, the Israeli Supreme Court rejected the appeals of two of the prisoners who had appealed against their being imprisoned "without charge or trial." [1] [2] Padres Hana ( talk) 21:07, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
I've trimmed it back to emphasize the notable aspects. -- Ronz ( talk) 21:12, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
The section about the Palestinian hungerstrikes was extended considering that, as a whole, it's one of the most important series of hungerstrikes in worlds history in terms of A. The number of participants (2000 people participated in the 28th day hungerstrike in April-May 2012) B. The length of some of the hungerstrikes of individual persons (reaching as long as 123 or 125 days) C. The achievements of the hungerstrikers as far as it concern prison policies and liberation of prisoners. Some editors prefered to remove the whole section. I made a different article about Palestinian Hunger Strikers (2011-2012) and put at the Hunger Strike article, only a small part of it, a summary. Still, Ronz prefered to delete the whole summmary. I insist that this is not the right way to treat one of the most important hungerstrike in world's history. If someone is deleting the whole incident is proving that is biased. Hamish2011 ( talk) 16:26, 14 October 2012 (UTC)Hamish2011 Hamish2011 ( talk) 16:26, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Ronz reverted my addition of Abdulhadi al-Khawaja's hunger strike, because -according to him/her- it did not meet inclusion criteria. This strike received international attention and is covered in many reliable sources. I would like to know the inclusion criteria. Mohamed CJ (talk) 18:06, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
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In the first place, there must be criteria of inclusion, and if the list included every successful single person strike, it definitely would become unreadable. The current criteria seem absolutely reasonable to me, and I find this particular revert absolutely obvious and justified. That said, I would suggest to separate the particular events into a standalone list (sortable table) and to define criteria via RfC.— Dmitrij D. Czarkoff ( talk• track) 22:37, 7 September 2012 (UTC) |
This is my proposal for the inclusion criteria, which will be put in a sortable table. Let's first discuss it here then when we have a solid proposal call for RfC.
Mohamed CJ (talk) 07:54, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Without addressing the problems that this article has had because of the lists, creating a stand-alone-list article would just make the problems worse. We have a working inclusion criteria here. Let's improve it and follow up on the comments about the "Recent instances (since 2000)" section). -- Ronz ( talk) 15:33, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Editors have disagreed about including a recent entry to the article, then discussion developed to question other entries' notability and the inclusion criteria. Should we put all entries of historical and recent hunger strikes in a standalone list with the inclusion criteria being: Inclusion in this list is based solely on coverage in multiple reliable sources with no strong geographic ties to the place of events that a person or group of people underwent a hunger strike? Mohamed CJ (talk) 18:48, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Once again, this article should not go into great detail on the matter, and it's not clear if it should be listed at all. See the previous discussion on this.
The section about the Palestinian hungerstrikes was extended considering that, as a whole, it's one of the most important series of hungerstrikes in worlds history in terms of A. The number of participants (2000 people participated in the 28th day hungerstrike in April-May 2012) B. The length of some of the hungerstrikes of individual persons (reaching as long as 123 or 125 days) C. The achievements of the hungerstrikers as far as it concern prison policies and liberation of prisoners. Some editors prefered to remove the whole section. I made a different article about Palestinian Hunger Strikers (2011-2012) and put at the Hunger Strike article, only a small part of it, a summary. Still, Ronz prefered to delete the whole summmary. I insist that this is not the right way to treat one of the most important hungerstrike in world's history. If someone is deleting the whole incident is proving that is biased. Hamish2011 ( talk) 16:31, 14 October 2012 (UTC)Hamish2011 Hamish2011 ( talk) 16:31, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Amnesty International, which is by far the biggest (3 million members and supporters), most important and most INDEPENDENT (no money from governments) human rights NGOs, has issued a large number of press releases and urgent actions about the Palestinian hunger strikers the recent months. This is the most objective proof about the importance and impact of this collective hungerstrike. Hamish2011 ( talk) 16:42, 14 October 2012 (UTC)Hamish2011 Hamish2011 ( talk) 16:42, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
As seen from the previous discussion, there isn't any consensus that it should even be here. CERTAINLY, we're not going to list the names of ten different hunger strikers, unlike how the rest of the article is structured, which is more general information. The fact that there's a large number of hunger strikers (is there an RS that says it's the largest??) doesn't mean it's notable, just means there's a lot of prisoners upset they have 3G and not 4G. -- Jethro B 17:51, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
The fact that Jethro B doesn´t consider Amnesty International as objective is the proof that the motive of his intervention is not to the improvement of wikipedia articles, but to promote his personal political views. Amnesty International is a pioneer human rights organization. And by far, the biggest one.
Amnesty International on palestinian hungerstrikers in recent months:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/palestinian-detainee-gaza-deportation-must-be-released-2012-03-30
http://www.amnesty.org/en/appeals-for-action-Israel-End-use-of-administrative-detention
Actually the only person I see pushing a view is you my friend, Jethro is trying to use what we call WP:CONSENSUS which is the way we add things here. Sadly you've violated the WP:1RR and have repeatedly put in copyrighted violations. Please take a step back, review WP:AGF or this could be a really short visit here. Hell In A Bucket ( talk) 18:32, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
This is not about views. This is about FACTS. You are deleting facts and returning the article to a previous version which is not even accurate! (e.g. the mass hunger strike of Palestinian prisoners did not start in February but in April). Before disrepecting and deleting the work of another editor, please try to check if his version is more accurate than the previous one or the one you post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamish2011 ( talk • contribs) 20:47, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Exactly. Not push an agenda. E.g. not delegimitizing hungerstrikers by saying that they are "upset they have 3G and not 4G". Is this a comment that indicates that there isn't an agenda? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamish2011 ( talk • contribs) 21:02, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Of course there can be other criteria, such as e.g. if a hungerstriker has died - which is not the case for Palestinian prisoners. But the fact that a hungerstriker didn't die, and instead won his demands or even his freedom, cannot be a reason to underrate the importance of a hungerstrike. As far as it concerns the real reason that my contributions were deleted... If someone is interested in the way the facts are written, he/she can change a part of the article. Not delete the entire part, omiting serious facts. Of course deleting something is easier than change it, because the latter needs more time and references to proove the accuracy of the text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamish2011 ( talk • contribs) 21:39, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Hamish2011, I wonder if you'd be as willing to include say Walid Khaled, whose on a hunger strike in a Palestinian jail, or whether it only applies to militants in charge of organizations that attack Israelis? I notice a section in this article on Irish hunger strikers - it says that 8000 of them went on hunger strikes. Yet the article isn't structured that we list the names of all these hunger strikers, that's simply ridiculous. -- Jethro B 22:06, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Is there any problem with them? Actually they are more accurate about the facts compared with the current version.
Btw, Hisham... Criticism_of_Amnesty_International#Israel is a good start. -- Jethro B 23:35, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
[25] I don't see how either of these even begin to meet our inclusion criteria. The apparent extent of the impact that these strikes have made is that they've been reported in the news and created discussion. -- Ronz ( talk) 15:59, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
I've reverted a number of changes that highlighted those that died due to their hunger strike (as well as adding new entries that dont appear to meet our inclusion criteria). The editor didn't bother to note all the entries that included deaths, and I'm not sure how we could given some of the entries are about group hunger strikes where some but not all died as a result. -- Ronz ( talk) 17:18, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
(The top comment from Ronz has been moved from talk page here to better work out the issues involved. Pigman ☿/talk 19:04, 27 December 2012 (UTC) )
At this point, I don't believe her strike meets the inclusion criteria for the article. She's getting a great deal of attention as recent news, but it's too early to see if it will have any long-term notability. Most importantly, there's been no results from the strike beyond the publicity. This is the key criteria that we've been using at Hunger strike to prevent it from becoming a listing of all hunger strikes, instead of an article about hunger strikes that highlights a few extremely notable ones.
Take a look at the talk page discussions and article history. The criteria is working, but not without occasional confusion. There's support for creating a separate list of notable hunger strikes, but I don't think anyone has tried starting it. It'll likely be a very long list, but it should be manageable if constrained to strikes already mentioned in other articles. -- Ronz ( talk) 18:04, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Sorry. The inclusion criteria is what it is. If someone wants to work to improve it, that's fine. Pretending there is no consensus for it is nonsense. Ignoring the problems that the inclusion criteria addresses is detrimental to this article and this encyclopedia.
So the policies and guidelines relevant to the problems this article has are WP:BLP, WP:NPOV, and WP:NOT (especially WP:SOAP and WP:NOTNEWSPAPER/ WP:NOTDIARY).
The relevant essays are WP:COATRACK and WP:RECENTISM.
So, is Spence's strike notable? I don't see an article on it. It's not even highlighted with it's own section in Idle No More. It's generated press and interest, no doubt. If that's all the impact it makes, then I don't believe it should be included. Perhaps if Idle No More's impact grows.
I've pointed out that there is strong consensus for creating a separate article listing notable hunger strikes. I don't see any reason why Spence's would not be included in such an article. -- Ronz ( talk) 21:37, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Moving Ronz's post from my talk page and responding here:
I think it would be best to first make improvements here, and get this article in good shape, and then discuss how we want to structure a related page. While I can sympathise with not wanting everyone adding minor figures here, I also think that any article must have the included people meet notability standards, NPOV, and have some content that explains their relevance (as we have here now). I do not support an "article" that is a simple list of names with links. I would instead see a useful split as taking the content in the example hunger strikes and having a paragraph or so on each one. I think simple lists of other articles are often more of a circular file to keep content out of articles. - Slàn, Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦ ♫ 00:27, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
This article is biased. There is no way anyone can honestly say this hunger strike is an "international phenomenon". I won't edit as there are lots of people here working on it who would be better to do that, but really, that's just silly. You WISH it was an international "phenomenon", but come on. It shouldn't even be listed in this article. It's also inaccurate, as bill 45 does not "remove many of the rights of the first nations". That too is the delusion of the protesters, who are no doubt the ones who added her to this page and should thus step away from this article, instead of spreading your own propaganda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.36.223 ( talk) 13:09, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Could someone please remove this section, since someone who subsists on fish broth and tea and is very far indeed from starvation cannot in good faith be compared to Gandhi or the Cuban dissidents. There should certainly be a period of time to assess events before something so politically motivated and biased is added to the list of examples of those who clearly endured great suffering and died or nearly died as a consequence of their hunger strikes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.170.148.125 ( talk) 05:27, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
This section should be removed. Chief Spence's hunger strike is not in the same definition of others listed on the website, she is on a diet of tea and fish broth soup. Further, her demands were to meet with Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the Governor General of Canada. Both of which were agreed to with a meeting of several Aboriginal Chiefs at the same time on Friday January 12th, 2012. Chief Spence as essentially now added conditions and is continuing on a reduced calorie diet of fish broth and tea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.96.11 ( talk) 13:28, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Given the past discussions and the history of this article, I think the inclusion criteria should be strikes with their own articles (not many of them) as well as people with their own articles who are notable for participating in a strike.
Since it's come up here before, a note on organization: I think that individuals that participated in a notable or group strike should be listed as sub-bullets:
Finally, it should be a simple list beyond a lede that introduces the list and includes the inclusion criteria, per MOS:LIST. -- Ronz ( talk) 23:37, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
From what I'm finding, the list is going to have to be created by finding relevant articles through searches within Wikipedia. This might also be helpful. -- Ronz ( talk) 23:17, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
I've created a stub, List of hunger strikes. -- Ronz ( talk) 18:24, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
I removed the section. It had no sources, and I couldn't find mention of the topic in other articles. -- Ronz ( talk) 22:20, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
List of hunger strikes has been created and is coming along well. Given the RfC, I think the next step is to remove the "Recent instances..." section and change the inclusion criteria to very notable, historical instances only that can be sourced as such. -- Ronz ( talk) 02:35, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
The section addresses the early Irish tradition first, but it is pre-dated by the Indian practice. Should probably be reorganized if someone can find some good sources. http://www.mesacc.edu/~thoqh49081/celtic/Toscad.html might be a start. -- Ronz ( talk) 04:34, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
I've seen a number of articles claiming a man named Samer Issawi is currently engaged in a hunger strike that has lasted over 150 days. Does anyone have any *verified* information about him, and can attest to the allegation that he is still alive, and not eating? It seems rather astounding and doubtful that he has gone without food (eg only water, tea, vitamins) for so long and still be alive. If this case is real then I think he should be added to the list. Here's some sources I've found but I'm not sure how accurate/unbiased they are since they're only coming from the pro-Issawi side of things. Samer speaks from jail International Solidarity Movement Middle East Monitor. Coinmanj ( talk) 00:15, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm sure people with a great amount of body fat support a hunger strike much longer than a slim body. In Evolution there is a hypothesis about how humans began storing energy in corporal fat and not die in greater periods of hungering. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.79.85.172 ( talk • contribs) 2013-07-16T18:12:49 (UTC)
Not seeing that in this article. Not politically correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.23.21.36 ( talk • contribs) 2014-03-22T14:31:16 (UTC)
Given the large amount of discussion to wade through, most of it before List of hunger strikes was created, I thought it would be useful to repeat the inclusion criteria:
We're only listing historically significant hunger strikes in this article that have created impacts beyond their the expected publicity. -- Ronz ( talk) 16:55, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
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it needs to be written in a comprehensive way ( 42.106.30.58 ( talk) 08:35, 31 January 2018 (UTC))
To this day I still don't understand what the "leverage" or tactical benefit is of a hunger strike. Would be good if article could explain how self-starving is supposed to wield any kind of power over captors. Thank you
The article should state whether hunger strikes to the death a type of suicide. A person choosing to starve themselves to death commits suicide. A hunger strike to the death is a person choosing to starve themselves to death whilst making demands. Different people & organisations have different opinions on whether or not they're suicides, but should we say that they are or are not? Jim Michael ( talk) 10:19, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Different people & organisations have different opinions on whether or not they're suicides, but should we say that they are or are not?I would think anyone even asking that question should go and read WP:NPOV. FDW777 ( talk) 18:17, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
especially when they relate to politicsWhose politics? -- Hipal/Ronz ( talk) 22:26, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
You know perfectly well it isn't neutral and you need to look at multiple articles where we have the terrorist/freedom fighter issue. You've been editing for over a decade so you should know this by now. As to the second point, third party reliable sources which make that statement would of course allow that view to be presented.----- Snowded TALK 13:37, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
"Most hunger strikers will take liquids but not solid food." You can live, and not even get hungry, on milk indefinitely I believe. Likewise on soup. Both of these foods are liquids. So this is extremely confusing. Arctic Gazelle ( talk) 15:46, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
There is no section here on Turkey despite Hunger Strikes often being a center point of struggle in Turkish and Kurdish resistance. It seems there was at some point but it was (possibly malicious) deleted as this is a fairly trivial thing to find sources for. If anyone could contribute or recomend more reading that is accessible to me as a non-academic I would greatly appreciate that. Thank you. SP00KY talk 17:55, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
While this article refers to a number of events involving hunger strikes, it would be beneficial to add a section on the relationship between hunger strikes and sexuality. In other words, someone could examine how (or if) hunger strikes are employed as a means of support for the queer community. Are hunger strikes prevalent in this community? Does this trend differ globally? Pallavi Banerjee, co-author of The Politics and Aesthetics of Global Hunger (2017), might be a valuable source to consider. ~~~~Cb21519 Cb21519 ( talk) 02:19, 29 September 2022 (UTC)