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Why are modern day Hungarians so stupid that they elect the very forces that they were fighting in the streets during 1956?
Because of the 33 years of communist brainwash. Frigo 16:52, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
This article requires a language cleanup and clarification of ideas in the latter part of the article (last 2 paragraphs). It is very unclear and some it is grammatically incorrect. Stevenmitchell 08:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Not only does it require a language clean up, it has also been apparently hi-jacked! It needs an ideological clean up as well!! Philiboy 09:47, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
This page had clearly been written or re-writted by a Fidesz sympathizer. I tried to give it a de-ideologizing. But as I can't stand Fidesz or anything they stand for, I might have fallen over the other side of the horse.
I'm not an expert on the Hungarian Socialist Party, by I reverted several edits by 83.240.249.87 (and changed one expression) for the following reasons:
Neoliberal and socialdemocratic?? Isnt that a contradiction in terms? I thought neoliberalism was strongly opposed to social democracy! Being a social democrat myself, I most strongly reject the values of economic neoliberalism! -- Oddeivind ( talk) 15:06, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Social democracy has betrayed socialism by collaborating with the enemies of the workers. The Hungarian Socialist Party is nothing more than a pro capitalist party that has no left ideal left. Since the fall of Stalinism, most Social democratic parties have turned right wing and all accepted free market capitalism and neoliberalism. Shame on them all. -- UDSS ( talk) 12:33, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
MSZP went into coalition with the liberal party SZDSZ. As far as I know, it's not liberal. -- 81.182.19.240 ( talk) 00:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
-- 131.111.8.102 ( talk) 23:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Other social democrats in Hungary dispute whether the MSZP is actually social democratic - so changing "is" to "describes itself as" -- continued debate on this page provides further evidence of uncertainty. Cme34 ( talk) 07:33, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
"Including, but not limited to" is lawyer-speak and is unnecessary since "including" implies additional items already. -- Unimath ( talk) 16:08, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
The term social liberalism is quite right for a party like this. It’s a shame how a socialist party dares to follow a capitalist economical program. But since this party was once Stalinist ( Hungarian Socialist Workers Party ) it is no surprise to me. Stalinists betrayed Marxism since 1924, and after 1991 they made the final betrayal by accepting capitalism. This party is just one of the many former Stalinist party that adopted liberalism and capitalism, while still calling them self socialist, shame on them. -- UDSS ( talk) 12:38, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
The current article is poorly made, and it is far too messy. Currently, it's completely impossible to get any information without reading the entire block of repetitive text covering the entire article. Therefore I've done a cleanup. You say that I've removed information and sources - well, while it's important that we source as much as possible, we do not need every single detail about the MSZP, as long as it is irrelevant for its greater history.
Remember that the article must not be too long, and that the MSZP will probably exist for many years to come. Therefore, we cannot have this much information covering just over 20 years. Parties that are over 100 years old typically have neater articles than this.
Remember that we're supposed to be an encyclopaedia - not an archive.
Feel free to add new information or re-write parts of the current version, but the one I've made is a far better starting point than the old article. Furthermore, my version now has 17 sources, far more than the 10 cited in the old one. 85.165.239.197 ( talk) 18:37, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
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Why are modern day Hungarians so stupid that they elect the very forces that they were fighting in the streets during 1956?
Because of the 33 years of communist brainwash. Frigo 16:52, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
This article requires a language cleanup and clarification of ideas in the latter part of the article (last 2 paragraphs). It is very unclear and some it is grammatically incorrect. Stevenmitchell 08:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Not only does it require a language clean up, it has also been apparently hi-jacked! It needs an ideological clean up as well!! Philiboy 09:47, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
This page had clearly been written or re-writted by a Fidesz sympathizer. I tried to give it a de-ideologizing. But as I can't stand Fidesz or anything they stand for, I might have fallen over the other side of the horse.
I'm not an expert on the Hungarian Socialist Party, by I reverted several edits by 83.240.249.87 (and changed one expression) for the following reasons:
Neoliberal and socialdemocratic?? Isnt that a contradiction in terms? I thought neoliberalism was strongly opposed to social democracy! Being a social democrat myself, I most strongly reject the values of economic neoliberalism! -- Oddeivind ( talk) 15:06, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Social democracy has betrayed socialism by collaborating with the enemies of the workers. The Hungarian Socialist Party is nothing more than a pro capitalist party that has no left ideal left. Since the fall of Stalinism, most Social democratic parties have turned right wing and all accepted free market capitalism and neoliberalism. Shame on them all. -- UDSS ( talk) 12:33, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
MSZP went into coalition with the liberal party SZDSZ. As far as I know, it's not liberal. -- 81.182.19.240 ( talk) 00:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
-- 131.111.8.102 ( talk) 23:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Other social democrats in Hungary dispute whether the MSZP is actually social democratic - so changing "is" to "describes itself as" -- continued debate on this page provides further evidence of uncertainty. Cme34 ( talk) 07:33, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
"Including, but not limited to" is lawyer-speak and is unnecessary since "including" implies additional items already. -- Unimath ( talk) 16:08, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
The term social liberalism is quite right for a party like this. It’s a shame how a socialist party dares to follow a capitalist economical program. But since this party was once Stalinist ( Hungarian Socialist Workers Party ) it is no surprise to me. Stalinists betrayed Marxism since 1924, and after 1991 they made the final betrayal by accepting capitalism. This party is just one of the many former Stalinist party that adopted liberalism and capitalism, while still calling them self socialist, shame on them. -- UDSS ( talk) 12:38, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
The current article is poorly made, and it is far too messy. Currently, it's completely impossible to get any information without reading the entire block of repetitive text covering the entire article. Therefore I've done a cleanup. You say that I've removed information and sources - well, while it's important that we source as much as possible, we do not need every single detail about the MSZP, as long as it is irrelevant for its greater history.
Remember that the article must not be too long, and that the MSZP will probably exist for many years to come. Therefore, we cannot have this much information covering just over 20 years. Parties that are over 100 years old typically have neater articles than this.
Remember that we're supposed to be an encyclopaedia - not an archive.
Feel free to add new information or re-write parts of the current version, but the one I've made is a far better starting point than the old article. Furthermore, my version now has 17 sources, far more than the 10 cited in the old one. 85.165.239.197 ( talk) 18:37, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
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