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Below is a set of rules that I believe make sense for everybody who desires to contribute to this article. Please abide to them. I will revert any changes that do not follow these rules and I would like to ask all responsible editors of this article to do the same; although I will check regularly on this article, I can't be on the net 24/7. I hope we can all enjoy our hobby here聽:-). Best regards. Octavian8 ( talk)
To ensure a civilized and focused discussion that will contribute the article, I would like to add here a few rules:
Pleas feel free to add other sensible rules. Octavian8 ( talk)
If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it. See: Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules. This is even true for the "official" rules of Wikipedia, but those "rules" above are not even official ones. So don't worry about them and feel free to improve or maintain the article. Koertefa ( talk)
Since the time I have written this article a few years ago, there had been several edit campaigns, that in the end benefited the article greatly (please compare the original version from my personal page with the current version). However, the edit campaign that started a few weeks ago has in the mean time transformed in a edit/revert war, where some editors started insulting me directly (see the message from user Norden1990 on my Talk page, as well as his comments concerning my person in the comment to some reverts he effectuated). In the beginning of the war, user Norden1990 rudely (without discussion or any hints on his action) renamed the article from "The Hungarian-Romanian war of 1919" to "The Allied intervention in Hungary" and then to "1919 Hungarian-Romanian war", once I tried undoing his deeds. This is why there is a request (and discussion) for renaming the article as well - actually is a request for returning to the original name.
Considering all these I have asked the article to be protected in the version before the edits of the last two weeks. Once either this happens or the edits stop, we can get back to talking. Until then I will respond to no posts anymore, and will concentrate on just holding the original (as before the revert war started) version of the article online. Octavian8 ( talk)
See: /info/en/?search=Armistice_between_Russia_and_the_Central_Powers Despite of this, Alin2808 try to stress the false idea that Romania signed armistice after the Russians, which is a simple chronology and simple fact, thus can not be part of rational discussion.-- Longsars ( talk) 10:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Full Russian armistice (not just small part of the front signed by lower rank Russian officers) was born later than the Romanian. Despite Romanian army was not in numerical inferiority in the actual battles, it suffered 33% KIA ratio (oe of the highest ratio if not the highest among WW1 armies), which was more than enough reason to sign that armistice.-- Longsars ( talk) 10:24, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Allies_of_World_War_I#Personnel_and_casualties Can you seee the record high KIA ratio of Romanian army? It is itself enough to sign an armistice. (Let's don't forget, that KIA did not inlude POWs and MIA neither the number of casualities) It means Romanian army was literally on the respiratory machine of Russians -- Longsars ( talk) 17:10, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Yes, all sources are reliable for the Romanian KIA in the above mentioned Wiki article. Tucker, Spencer C (1999). The European Powers in the First World War: An Encyclopedia. New York: Garland. p. 172. ISBN 978-0-8153-3351-7.
-- Longsars ( talk) 06:44, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
And what please does "was literally on the respiratory machine of Russians" mean? I am afraid it makes no sense to me. Spinney Hill ( talk) 07:43, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Being on respiratory machine of somebody is a phrase. Romanian army was on the respiratory machine of Russian army means, that it had not remain enough power to stand on its own leg anymore. -- Longsars ( talk) 13:46, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Never heard that phrase before. Do you mean "retain" rather than "remain?" Spinney Hill ( talk) 15:46, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
So, @ Longsars, have you found the source regarding your claims or you still have no source? In the latter case, I'll go ahead and re-add what you removed before. Alin2808 ( talk) 19:15, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Again, the Romanian armistice date is earlier than the date of the Russian aristice.-- Longsars ( talk) 18:44, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Soviets did not send any soldiers to Hungarian territory, neither they could send weapons to the Hungarian Red Army... It falsely suggest for the readers, that there was a real Soviet military support on Hungarian territory. (which did not exist)-- Longsars ( talk) 18:39, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
It not a real reasoning (or irrational) that the Czech and franco-Serb occupation also have their own separated articles... the short info-box has to mention them. Czechoslovak and Franco-Serb occupations happened at the very same time as Romanian occupation in the territory of Hungary.-- Longsars ( talk) 18:43, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
French and Serbian armies crossed the northern borderland of Belgrade (the pre-WW1 border) and end up at Szeged and P茅cs. The so-called "Czechoslovak" army (which consisted 90% of Czechs) crossed the south-Eastern Czech borderland and occupied whole upper Hungary. It miselad the readers that it did not effect the Hungarian-Romanian war, and shows as it would been just a single war, come out from the blue skies.-- Longsars ( talk) 19:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
So according to your logic, during WW2, the nazi German occupation of Western half of Poland did not effected the situation of the Soviet Polish war? /info/en/?search=Soviet_invasion_of_Poland The combined territory of the Serbo-French and Czechoslovak occupied zone was bigger than the Romanian.-- Longsars ( talk) 19:30, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Hungary lost manpower territory resources industry during the Serbo-French and Czech occupation. Even such an infrastructurally socially backward country was able to go close to the Tisza river without fight under the pacifist liberal K谩rolyi government. Romania was so poor and backward place like third world, where majority couldn't read and write (extreme low literacy ratio) which had no serious urbanization, and did not have real industry and European level infrastructure. See the Maddison project about pre-WW1 Europe聽: https://www.rug.nl/ggdc/historicaldevelopment/maddison/releases/maddison-project-database-2020 -- Longsars ( talk) 07:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Romania lost 70% of its territory and capital city after 3 months of fight, and suffered incredible high 33% KIA ratio, one of the highest in WW1, despite Romanians had not numerical inferiority in that battles. Romanian soldiers fell like paper solders.-- Longsars ( talk) 10:17, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
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The principle behind Wikipedia is to contribute knowledge to all of us. Therefore, adding new insight is welcomed and by way of consequence so is editing the article in this respect. However, to get valuable edits may sometimes be quite difficult.
This Talk page is thought to exchange information and agree upon changes to the article such that only valuable edits really make it in the online version. The Talk page is structured to mirror the sections of the article such that it is as easy as possible to see if changing the online version really matters.
Below is a set of rules that I believe make sense for everybody who desires to contribute to this article. Please abide to them. I will revert any changes that do not follow these rules and I would like to ask all responsible editors of this article to do the same; although I will check regularly on this article, I can't be on the net 24/7. I hope we can all enjoy our hobby here聽:-). Best regards. Octavian8 ( talk)
To ensure a civilized and focused discussion that will contribute the article, I would like to add here a few rules:
Pleas feel free to add other sensible rules. Octavian8 ( talk)
If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it. See: Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules. This is even true for the "official" rules of Wikipedia, but those "rules" above are not even official ones. So don't worry about them and feel free to improve or maintain the article. Koertefa ( talk)
Since the time I have written this article a few years ago, there had been several edit campaigns, that in the end benefited the article greatly (please compare the original version from my personal page with the current version). However, the edit campaign that started a few weeks ago has in the mean time transformed in a edit/revert war, where some editors started insulting me directly (see the message from user Norden1990 on my Talk page, as well as his comments concerning my person in the comment to some reverts he effectuated). In the beginning of the war, user Norden1990 rudely (without discussion or any hints on his action) renamed the article from "The Hungarian-Romanian war of 1919" to "The Allied intervention in Hungary" and then to "1919 Hungarian-Romanian war", once I tried undoing his deeds. This is why there is a request (and discussion) for renaming the article as well - actually is a request for returning to the original name.
Considering all these I have asked the article to be protected in the version before the edits of the last two weeks. Once either this happens or the edits stop, we can get back to talking. Until then I will respond to no posts anymore, and will concentrate on just holding the original (as before the revert war started) version of the article online. Octavian8 ( talk)
See: /info/en/?search=Armistice_between_Russia_and_the_Central_Powers Despite of this, Alin2808 try to stress the false idea that Romania signed armistice after the Russians, which is a simple chronology and simple fact, thus can not be part of rational discussion.-- Longsars ( talk) 10:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Full Russian armistice (not just small part of the front signed by lower rank Russian officers) was born later than the Romanian. Despite Romanian army was not in numerical inferiority in the actual battles, it suffered 33% KIA ratio (oe of the highest ratio if not the highest among WW1 armies), which was more than enough reason to sign that armistice.-- Longsars ( talk) 10:24, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Allies_of_World_War_I#Personnel_and_casualties Can you seee the record high KIA ratio of Romanian army? It is itself enough to sign an armistice. (Let's don't forget, that KIA did not inlude POWs and MIA neither the number of casualities) It means Romanian army was literally on the respiratory machine of Russians -- Longsars ( talk) 17:10, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Yes, all sources are reliable for the Romanian KIA in the above mentioned Wiki article. Tucker, Spencer C (1999). The European Powers in the First World War: An Encyclopedia. New York: Garland. p. 172. ISBN 978-0-8153-3351-7.
-- Longsars ( talk) 06:44, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
And what please does "was literally on the respiratory machine of Russians" mean? I am afraid it makes no sense to me. Spinney Hill ( talk) 07:43, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Being on respiratory machine of somebody is a phrase. Romanian army was on the respiratory machine of Russian army means, that it had not remain enough power to stand on its own leg anymore. -- Longsars ( talk) 13:46, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Never heard that phrase before. Do you mean "retain" rather than "remain?" Spinney Hill ( talk) 15:46, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
So, @ Longsars, have you found the source regarding your claims or you still have no source? In the latter case, I'll go ahead and re-add what you removed before. Alin2808 ( talk) 19:15, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Again, the Romanian armistice date is earlier than the date of the Russian aristice.-- Longsars ( talk) 18:44, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Soviets did not send any soldiers to Hungarian territory, neither they could send weapons to the Hungarian Red Army... It falsely suggest for the readers, that there was a real Soviet military support on Hungarian territory. (which did not exist)-- Longsars ( talk) 18:39, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
It not a real reasoning (or irrational) that the Czech and franco-Serb occupation also have their own separated articles... the short info-box has to mention them. Czechoslovak and Franco-Serb occupations happened at the very same time as Romanian occupation in the territory of Hungary.-- Longsars ( talk) 18:43, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
French and Serbian armies crossed the northern borderland of Belgrade (the pre-WW1 border) and end up at Szeged and P茅cs. The so-called "Czechoslovak" army (which consisted 90% of Czechs) crossed the south-Eastern Czech borderland and occupied whole upper Hungary. It miselad the readers that it did not effect the Hungarian-Romanian war, and shows as it would been just a single war, come out from the blue skies.-- Longsars ( talk) 19:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
So according to your logic, during WW2, the nazi German occupation of Western half of Poland did not effected the situation of the Soviet Polish war? /info/en/?search=Soviet_invasion_of_Poland The combined territory of the Serbo-French and Czechoslovak occupied zone was bigger than the Romanian.-- Longsars ( talk) 19:30, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Hungary lost manpower territory resources industry during the Serbo-French and Czech occupation. Even such an infrastructurally socially backward country was able to go close to the Tisza river without fight under the pacifist liberal K谩rolyi government. Romania was so poor and backward place like third world, where majority couldn't read and write (extreme low literacy ratio) which had no serious urbanization, and did not have real industry and European level infrastructure. See the Maddison project about pre-WW1 Europe聽: https://www.rug.nl/ggdc/historicaldevelopment/maddison/releases/maddison-project-database-2020 -- Longsars ( talk) 07:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Romania lost 70% of its territory and capital city after 3 months of fight, and suffered incredible high 33% KIA ratio, one of the highest in WW1, despite Romanians had not numerical inferiority in that battles. Romanian soldiers fell like paper solders.-- Longsars ( talk) 10:17, 7 July 2022 (UTC)